Xbox Series X|S Has Outsold All Previous Xbox Consoles At This Point In Their Life Cycles

The demand is still outpacing the supply, however.

[Petebloodyonion]

Interesting to read that according to Xbox, the problem of shortage for PS5 and Serie X isn't the diminution of the offer but the augmentation of the demand that is creating the situation we're living in.

[ToddlerBrain]

That’s a long way of saying bots.

[roadkillers]

Well bots are just the scalping issue. The bigger issue isn’t just the chip shortage either, it is globalization of these products. More countries purchase these products than in the past

[darthv72]

The S is available and seems to be selling as a last resort but demand for the X is sure holding steady. I hope this year I can get one without being beaten to the punch by damn scalper bots.

[Lexreborn2]

I don’t know if you live in America but GameStop has had the all access series X pretty steady. You just have to be approved for the credit line. And they send you a series X with 2 years gamepass. I just paid mine off this month. Got it last March

[VersusDMC]

Well people maybe don't want that as they make you buy 2 years of Gamepass...so an extra 300 dollars. At least in canada. 599 just for the system and you pay 959 for All access series X.

[Petebloodyonion]

I'm pretty sure that ppl who subscribe to the Xbox all-access plan will be prioritized versus the average joe since it's locked you with Gamepass for 2years thus making more money for Microsoft and Gamestop.

[CBaoth]

Don't even need to do the credit card 2 yr plan anymore. Just bought a series X last week at GameStop for $700. They make you buy a $50 gift card and copies of NBA2K22 and COD. Awful games but at least you can re-sell'em.

[VersusDMC]

They should have just done a Series X digital only system. I would have picked up one if it was available as it will be a gamepass and digital BC game machine for me. I will get third party physical on PS5. People clearly know the S is inferior and doesn't have the same demand.

But maybe Microsoft don't sell the S at a loss and are making a killing on it so maybe it was the right move?

[Petebloodyonion]

"People clearly know the S is inferior and doesn't have the same demand."
I doubt that's the case because the same could have been said when MS and Sony introduced the one X and pro models last generation. But the oneS and the vanilla Ps4 still sold better compared to upgraded SKU. For me, I believe that the digital-only factor might be the real reason why it's selling less SKU since digitals only consoles never really sold well, and let me ask you this how come retail stores barely received PS5 digital consoles versus the premium model?

[neutralgamer1992]

Xbox series s is available at retail

Xbox series X is Available mostly in bundles or through Walmart/target. What's really telling is the fact scalpers are having issues selling this console for $600( on Facebook marketplace and offer up Xbox series X's are available for $585)

Now on to digital PS5's I don't even believe those are real 😂 never seen one selling. It seems Sony makes very limited numbers currently

PS5's demand has cooled off too(I am only talking about 2nd hand market) now a PS5 can be had for around $700

Hopefully by middle of this year some of these consoles start appearing on store shelves (GameStop managers I have spoken with have said there is definitely more supply now but these consoles won't be sitting on any stores shelves due to the FOMO culture)

"Fear of missing out"

[darthv72]

Ive been watching the 2nd hand market and while prices are coming down, they are not to the point where scalpers would leave the market.

They still manage to grab lions share of consoles and sneakers and pc parts. It sucks but being patient will eventually pay off.

[neutralgamer1992]

I don't know man but Xbox series X's are available for under $600 (still not retail but at least not $900-$1000)

Ps5 prices have definitely come down to because now we see retailers are doing more and more drops. Scalpers on Facebook and offer up are having issues selling for $700. Because I see many listed for upwards of week or more

[Petebloodyonion]

I think we can agree that the supply has been more constant recently
I have bought my Ps5 a couple of weeks back when entered a Bestbuy in the morning (I was actually going to buy a Logitech Trueforce wheel). They were just there with a salesman making sure we only grabbed 1 console, no special bundle just the console. I went to Gamestop to say to the clerk that is my friend that some consoles were available at Bestbuy and he told me that had some to sell as well.

[Mr_Luke]

I got 2 Series X in 2 different days without problems, you could buy it online from GameStop and in the shop too. And it's still available if you buy it in the shop. But that's just Italy, no idea if in other zones is the same.

[jznrpg]

GameStop emails me about the X , it’s at stores near you etc . I just don’t want it

[shadowT]

Xbox Series S is available in most stores, Xbox Series X is more difficult to find.

[got_dam]

That's actually pretty good. When the 360 released it sold great for a while. There was some shortages there too, but only for a few months. All these shortages may have the impact of a long console cycle seeing as the first year might as well have not happened. The install base is just so low right now.

[darthv72]

It was also a different time with no twitter or fb or advanced ai software. The landscape changed so radically that this is what we have to look forward to for future generations.

[got_dam]

Absolutely. No arguing against that. At least we have NFTs now. ... ... bruh.

[Obscure_Observer]

That´s awesome news and just further proof that Phil not just saved the Xbox brand, but also made it better than ever!

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[marioJP87]

Imagine there were never any shortages of consoles.

[talocaca]

It would be interestibg to see if that's translated to profits as well.

Games like Halo used to sell a TON of copies at full price and now they are "free" on Gamepass.

Most publisher's have mentioned that is nearly impossible to break even with the current user base. I bought a Series S (first time I own an Xbox console) to go with my PS5.

I've spent approx $600 on PS5 software and $0 on Xbox (I did get 3 years of gamepass ultimate for $80).

Microsoft hasn't really released console or software numbers for years.....maybe they should before we celebrate their success.

[porkChop]

"Games like Halo used to sell a TON of copies at full price and now they are "free" on Gamepass."

Heavy Hitter franchises typically have active playerbases until the next entry. So $60 one time vs $10 monthly for 2-3 years. Which is making more money for Xbox? On top of that, players are still buying expansions, DLC, mtx, etc. I'd say regardless of whether someone buys a game or plays it through GP, Xbox are making a ton of money.

[jznrpg]

GaaS suck!

[darkrider]

Nope. Go see the numbers of players on halo on pc... Not even close. GP can't match a game that sells 8. 10. 15 millions... Not when it's almost free and got low numbers of subscribers.

[darthv72]

Even though I installed it from GP... I still bought the physical halo infinite. Came with a steelbook too. I collect those.

[MadLad]

Microsoft is easily the most pro consumer of the big 3, and have been for years, and you're worried about their profits?

Been pushing console BC forward for years.
Has the best gaming subscription value to be had.
Paid billions to acquire amazing studios, of which released many of last year's best games.
Offers the cheapest next gen console on the market which, tied with Gamepass, is probably the most accessible way to cheaply play games in recent memory.
Chose not to raise their game prices over the "oh so much higher costs of game development".
Literally lets you run emulators on their hardware without cracking it.

I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth over fanboyism. MS/Xbox is doing well for its base. I don't care what their profit margins are. I don't have stock in the company.

My question is when the other two will start doing more.

[CBaoth]

oh please. Nintendo have been the MOST pro-consumer company of the 3 regarding BC. I've been playing last gen games on newer skus since the Wii days. MS only started giving a shit about BC in 2017. Remember that long drought where apparently no software was sold 2013-2016? Yeah, that's when BC and GP became relevant. Lemme guess - you fault Nintendo for non-Switch BC when you know they were mitigating circumstances.

MS paid 7.5 billion to acquire Bethesda. NOT to acquire NEW games but prevent them from selling WAY more on competing systems. That's pro consumer to you? You clearly have no concept of a free market economy and is the sole reason you schill all day long on the net for a third place company that you "don't have stock" in.

[MadLad]

@cbaoth

Nintendo is the least consumer friendly of the bunch.
The most greedy to lower pricing on their games.
Barely offers any sort of online functionality.
The services they do offer are pathetic and just try to offset emulation.
Offer the weakest hardware, leading to many games not making it to their systems, usually the weakest version, and asking the same amount of money, and full retail when ports make it to the Switch even years later.

"MS only cared about BC since 2017".
Weird. I remember playing Xbox games on my 360 way before that. I remember PS3 offering it too, then quickly taking it away and offering remasters left and right for the next two generations. Then crap talking on the idea of BC, just to backpedal this generation, seeing how many people backed MS' efforts into it.

Almost every company MS has acquired were relatively smaller companies who have all said they recieved a massive amount of more funding than what they were working with originally. Those same companies (inXile, Double Fine, Arkane) won awards for their titles. And MS didn't hoard those games. They honored promises made by the studios prior, releasing them on other platforms.

Throw more BS, off the cuff nothing points my way. I'm sure I can easily shoot those down too.

"You have no concept of the free market economy".

My bank account and financial endeavors tells me otherwise, but that has nothing to do with this conversation.

"Schills all day long on the internet for a 3rd party"

The only 3rd party I can assume you're talking about, I crapped on all last generation because it was a pathetic generation for them. Times have changed. I'm only complimenting them now on everything they're doing right.

Anything else? Because, again you have really weak arguments, and I could probably shoot them all down with ease.

[darkrider]

Omg. Dude Microsoft more pro consumer. You must be a 12 year old.... It's the way around. That's why they will be always in last. Gamers worldwide don't like Microsoft

[Deathdeliverer]

My series X is among the counted. Day one baby.

[monkey602]

I ordered a Series X yesterday. Should have it tomorrow. Looking forward to it now

[Bathyj]

That's just sad. OG Xbox is still the best one.

[darthv72]

The og is still one of my favorites but 360 was def better.

[Orchard]

@Bathyj What is sad about selling more?

The PS5 is also outselling the PS4 at this point, and the Switch is decimating everything. Is that sad too?

@darthv72 Agreed, 360 just felt like a huge leap, not just in terms of games but the services, apps, dash, etc.

[EvertonFC]

Not hard

[darkrider]

The same talk with all Microsoft consoles.... It's not how it's starts... The Xbox one also broke all records...

[anast]

Tow consoles of different types. Not being fair to the previous consoles. I would like to see SX numbers only as it is the current gen. console.

[Orchard]

So Series S sales don't count...? That's not how business and sales/revenue works...

[anast]

The previous consoles were just one, not one and a budget version. I bet SX is not out selling anything on it's own. They purposely pile both consoles together to inflate the numbers.

[Orchard]

That logic makes no sense.

So we’re supposed to just discount both Series S and PS5 digital sales? Do the companies not receive any revenue for those consoles?

If they generate revenue, then their sales matter.

[gravedigger]

If the numbers are good, according to Phil, then why he is hiding them.

[Zeref]

This means that the gap is closing between Xbox and Playstation.

Because that puts Xbox XS at around 12-14M (The 360 sold 12M at this point) while last reported in October, PS5 was around 13.5 million so now you can guestimate it's around 15-17M.

That is crazy to see. We haven't seen them this close in years.

The Series S combined with Gamepass was a genius strategy and it's paying off.

[waverider]

Dude... closer to the PS5... For a full year you got two weeks where it sold more and the diference was low... Your numbers are all wrong. The diference is what 5 or 6 millions in one year... Again one year... Where you cant find a PS5 anywhere... if it stay like this, in 2022 Ps5 will be ahead by 10 or 12 millions...

The series S is available for months... Microsoft doesnt reveal numbers even for the GP for months and months... It was the only numbers that Microsoft revealed was gp... That says another thing completely diferent of what you are talking...

[Zeref]

I see sometimes yall just type for the sake of typing because you just said a whole bunch of nothing

[darthv72]

Dude... you CAN find PS5 everywhere... in the 2nd hand market. When it comes to retail, BOTH are in high demand but that isnt stopping others from snatching them up and trying to profit off the demand. Some get desperate and resort to going that route while others are being more patient (and obviously complaining rather vocally) and then coming on here to say "you cant find a PS5 anywhere" when in reality we both know that is completely untrue.

[Miacosa]

Pointless without actual numbers.