Shenmue 3 Kickstarter Backers Demand Refunds Following Epic Exclusivity

Fans who backed Shenmue 3 on Kickstarter are demanding refunds in their droves with the news that the game would now becoming exclusively to the Epic Games Store.

[darthv72]

I dont recall there was ever an announcement of where the PC version was going to be available through. It seems people just assume it would be steam.

[Atom666]

Apparently it was referenced that the Steam client was a system requirement, but I'm not sure if anything was officially promised. There is the fact that the Epic store didn't even exist back then too.

That's still a technicality that Deep Silver shouldn't fight in my opinion. If people were led to believe its release was on Steam, then refund them at the very least.

[ziggurcat]

will it ever be on Steam or is it a timed exclusivity deal with EGS?

[mikeslemonade]

They don’t deserve a refund and they should suck it up.

[bradfh]

they should get a refund
It was a Kickstarter game that players funded for steam and Developers made it Epic Games Exclusivity
no one likes a double dipper.

[frostypants]

This fanboy war over stores is hilariously lame regardless (even if I agree Epic's is a bit annoying and needless). Like...do you want the game or not, people? Who gives a crap what free storefront is used?

[Atom666]

@Frosty

It seems to be a lot more than an assumption, though. If they required Steam on the PC version and the backer survey had you choosing PS or Steam, then it's more than a little misleading.

This game exists because of the support and trust given by backers. If they think it's OK to fall back on "well technically we didn't explicitly lie to supporters," even though it's pretty clear that they seriously mislead them, then I think that's a piss-poor position for any company to take.

[Gwiz]

Yes,when a service never even existed when you backed a project there is no legal loophole for them to stand on.This was a stupid decision (I'm not a backer nor have I any interest in playing this game)

[Cobra951]

Crowdfunding is not preordering. Even if a crowdfunded product never materializes, investors are seldom going to get refunds. That's a risk they took, as with any other investment that fails to pan out. Here, it's just a matter of using a different store to buy the product--a minor inconvenience at worst. So I see no reason why anyone should get a refund.

Edit: frostypants, you and me both, buddy. I go between scratching my head and laughing about this nonsense. "I have to go to Store B instead of Store A to buy? THIS MEANS WAR!!!11!1" What a crackup.

[Wolffenblitz]

@everyone in this thread saying things like "Suck it up" and "store fanboys" and other crap, read up on it first. Don't just assume it's because 'I ONLY LYKE STEM'

[MadLad]

@mikes

If you were in the same situation and were promised a PS code, just for them to announce a PC only release, you'd be crying with the best of them.
How about you sit down?

Steam has been referenced multiple times for this title through the years. Nothing about the Epic store until now, nearing launch.
They took money from Kickstarter, much of which came from PC gamers expecting a Steam key.
Then the developer got a publisher, after the Kickstarter, meaning even more money in hand.
Then they decide to take Epic's money, when the game is essentially complete, if only to triple dip; at the expense of the original backers, might I add.

I don't care if you're not a PC gamer. That doesn't mean you act like an arrogant child toward those who are.

Grow up.

[Zeref]

@TheRealTedCruz

The difference is I might not have a PC to actually use the code, obviously. Then the outrage would be much more understandable. Here all you need to do is download a different store A FREE store and play the exact same freaking game.

I understand the minor inconvenience but come the f**k on. This much outrage for such a trivial thing is ridiculous.

[MadLad]

@zeref

At the end of the day, they deceived the backbone of the whole project. They were promised one thing; all the way from the beginning of the Kickstarter, through the years of development, until right before release. They've even been using the Steam store as free advertising for the game since right after the Kickstarter.

To go more in-depth, there are those with merited moral reasoning to not use the Epic store. They are setting a bad precedent and strong-arming themselves into what used to be a fair and balanced ecosystem.
Some people don't care about all that; and that's fine. But many backers backed the game, being told they'd be offered a Steam key. Now those backers; again, the people who got this project off the ground in the first place, are being deceived right before launch and being outright told that their concerns don't matter. "We lied to you. Oh well. No refunds". That's not right, and is not fair business practice.

[itani]

I'm a backer and in the survey you actually choose Steam as your code. So yes they did show Steam

[harmny]

its coming to steam... later. so they werent lying.

[Vegamyster]

harmny

They were promised day 1 codes for Steam, not another launcher.

[GottaBjimmyb]

Why does it matter? It is the same freaking game, with the same hardware requirements it would be on Steam. It literally makes no difference other than people whining about a brand name they prefer. They are both free platforms and they both do the same things.

[Vegamyster]

GottaBjimmyb

One is a fully featured launcher while the other doesn't have basic options, why would people want to support Epic paying out devs for a worse consumer experience?

[GottaBjimmyb]

"One is a fully featured launcher while the other doesn't have basic options"

Ok, well anyone can just say words that make something seem true. The fact you gave no actual reason, and just gave negative conjecture shows exactly my point. You are a fanboy of a brand making an argument for a series of letters because it is the series of letters you like most. Pretty pathetic really.

Obviously being new there are going to be differences, but the fact you didn't name a single one of them shows you believe your rhetoric is stronger than the actual features you speak of...

Specifically, we are talking about access to play a game on steam vs on Epic, not the differences in the platform as a whole. Steam would not ADD anything to the game, or actually impact what the donators thought they were getting. They still get access to play the game on PC. Any Missing features from Steam and Epic, are not going to change that at all, that is the whole point.

[Notellin]

@GottaBjimmyb It matters because this segment of the gaming community is the most vocal of all basement dwelling chubby cheeked trolls.

For the rest of gamers it doesn't matter. Only difference is we have to double click another icon to start the game.

Shame on anyone who believes the launcher or app store should take a 30% cut from the actual developer. And especially shame on Valve for making money hand over fist while providing some of the worst customer service imaginable.

[r2oB]

@gottabjimmyb

Well at the moment Epic Store doesn't support cloud saves and game achievements, so that's two things Steam adds to their games that Epic Store doesn't.

If people ordered products to be picked up at store A (near their home, extremely convenient), which was available at the time of purchase, then when ready for pick up they were told they had to drive to store B to pick it up (other side of the state, very inconvenient), I wonder how many people would make the hours long drive (because hey, it's just a different store) or ask for a refund (because they feel mislead or lied to).

Now I understand there is a difference between buying something and pledging on Kickstarter (it's not a purchase), but I believe on the Kickstarter site it states they are obligated to try to make the product. Backers didn't merely choose to back the game, they backed the game on a specific platform (game on Steam is the product). So they should either receive the game as they chose or get their money back due to being misled (Epic Store wasn't even out when it was in Kickstarter).

I wonder, if the game is completed and for sale, is it then considered a purchase? Would they then be qualified for a refund.

[Teflon02]

@GottaBjimmyb
"Ok, well anyone can just say words that make something seem true. The fact you gave no actual reason, and just gave negative conjecture shows exactly my point. You are a fanboy of a brand making an argument for a series of letters because it is the series of letters you like most. Pretty pathetic really. "

Okay, well anyone can just completely ignore what the person said to make what they're trying to prove seem true. The fact is they gave a complete reason. It's a FULLY FEATURED LAUNCHER... It has Steam Achievements, Cards, a proper community that's active, cloud saves and such. It's a big difference and you can ignore if you like but it's 1000% a issue. I love getting achievements and such and I would buy everything on Steam over other launchers for that exact reason. Did that for Cuphead as I rather steams achievements over Xbox's. I never liked paying for exclusives, and don't support the practise. Hated every time MS did it, I don't mind funding games likes Sony or Ninty. But straight paying to keep it exclusive. Hell no. and I don't care if I waited years. If I funded with a steam code as my reward I'd say F em too and tell em give my money back. They went against the people who funded the game and disrespected them to pocket Epics money. I'd rather buy on PS4 or not support the game at all than buying at this point.

[Wolffenblitz]

@GottaBjimmyb Read up on why people are pissed before throwing your weight around.

All these people coming in and saying the same shit people said, trying to white knight epic games. Do some research and come back with valid points.

[GottaBjimmyb]

@r2ob

"Well at the moment Epic Store doesn't support cloud saves and game achievements, so that's two things Steam adds to their games that Epic Store doesn't."

1. Those are both going to be features before Shenmue comes out
https://www.pcgamer.com/epi...
2. Neither of those change the game, though I suppose they could change the expected experience regarding the game, though point 1 makes it kind of moot.

"If people ordered products to be picked up at store A (near their home, extremely convenient), which was available at the time of purchase, then when ready for pick up they were told they had to drive to store B to pick it up (other side of the state, very inconvenient), I wonder how many people would make the hours long drive (because hey, it's just a different store) or ask for a refund (because they feel mislead or lied to)."

1. You don't have to drive to another location, or use gas or incur an additional cost at all to use Epic Game Launcher
2. There is no hours long drive in this situation.
3. Your example would make more sense if you were to say they were told to pickup at section A in a store and it was actually in section b. Which would just require a 45 second walk to the other section. In which case, no I don't believe anyone would expect a refund for that....
4. Epic Store didn't exist back then, so there was not an option to suggest such, now it is available and that is the platform that made the most sense for them to launch on.
5. What if Steam had stopped existing before it released and they used a different platform you like less? Would you expect a refund then? No, because you would still be getting the game.

It seems like you guys are trying way to hard to be upset about something that everyone knows really is not an issue. If you like Steam so much, wait for it to be there, otherwise, you can play then entire game, the same as it would be on Steam on Epic Games Launcher...

@teflon "a proper community that's active

Yes an active community is essential for a single player game..... You guys just grasp for any straw you can other than accepting that you are arguing for a platform based on its brand.

@Wolf "Read up on why people are pissed before throwing your weight around."

I read, I read the article, comments here, etc. I just think the reasons are stupid. I am not white knighting anything, I think it doesn't matter either way for Shenmue's release which platform you can play it on. They could have released it on a featureless Self-owned launcher and I would not care. It is not a defense of the platform, it is a criticism of whining about which name brand hosts your gaming content.

[GottaBjimmyb]

I know when I ask for Aquafina and someone give me Dasani I am extremely upset also, I totally agree with you guys. If my water bottle (or games) come from the wrong name brand I lose my s**t. You have convinced me. Aquafina come in much stronger plastic and The colors are more appealing and drinking anything else is simply ridiculous.

One bottle is a fully functioning water delivery system, the other is not.

You guys are definitely right, not sheep following a marketing campaign based on a name brand...

[r2oB]

@ gottabjimmyb

So the article you linked, which is 3 months old, has them expecting cloud saves within 1 to 3 months. The fact that we are at the later part of their expectations and still no cloud saves, it's a strong possibility that they may not make their "at least six months" target for achievements. Meaning it's very possible that feature may launch after Shenmue 3.

The fact of the matter is people backed the Steam version and aren't going to be getting that version. There is no mention of timed exclusivity, so no point in assuming they will get the Steam version eventually. As of right now there is no Steam version, as of right now Epic Store is lacking features, so as of right now people want their money back for being misled. Why should the gamers, the people responsible for funding the game, have to hope to get eventually get the version they backed, have to hope that by the time the game comes out Epic Store will be able to provide them an equal gaming experience to Steam.

I'm a multi console owner, but if I ordered a game for one platform and they sent me the other version because they felt it was best, I'd be pissed too even though I could just pop the game in the other console and play it. That's besides the point. People expect to get what they paid for, and if they don't then they have a right to be upset and want the situation rectified.

[Vegamyster]

GottaBjimmyb

You want to accuse me of being a fanboy because you asked "why does it matter"? It clearly is not just about just the game, its the principle that matters, people were originally offered the game on a superior platform. I don't need to beat a dead horse but i will since you want to accuse me of being a fanboy, everybody knows at this point why people don't like the practices that Epic are currently doing with exclusivity, they're the only ones doing it and it's been going on for months now.

Worse customer support
No Forums
No Linux
No User reviews
No Screenshot support
No Mods
No Profiles
No Cloud Saves
No Achievements

ect

[GottaBjimmyb]

@vega "No Linux "

They never said they would have Linux support and a huge number of games ON STEAM, do not work on Linux, Steam works on Linux, not every game on it.... The rest of those features either already are in Epic game launcher or will be out before the game launches as per the link I sent before. (and below) Again though, at best achievements and cloud saves are the only to even remotely relevant points on that list for a single player games...

@r2ob "So the article you linked, which is 3 months old, has them expecting cloud saves within 1 to 3 months."

Yea, the article links to their trello, and it has it under that same time frame, with the last update in march, says July, so from end of march that is 3 months if early July, 4 if late July, pretty much on target, achievements 6 months from march is still before Nov18.
https://trello.com/b/GXLc34...

"There is no mention of timed exclusivity, so no point in assuming they will get the Steam version eventually."

not true, read FAQ:
https://shenmue3.deepsilver...

[1-pwnsause-1]

It was reference over and over again that pc gamers where going to get the steam key, through emails and the survey....

[darthv72]

I guess things change. I've seen lots of kickstarter backed projects go through changes after being funded. At least those of you who backed it on PC would still likely get the key unlike those who backed a wiiu or vita version of bloodstained.

I never backed a kickstarter but does it really make a difference where you dl the game from so long as you are still getting it from backing it in the first place?

[Nerdmaster]

Epic Store has privacy and security issues; it was taking private info from Steam files; it pays for exclusivity which by itself sucks for consumers but also in many cases when the games were already advertised in Steam or presales/crowdfunding promised Steam keys; program has much fewer options; chinese companies have 40% of shares of Epic Games; another place to divide our library of games in; the supposedly lower cut from sales doesn't translate to lower prices so no advantages for consumers but only the downsides of another and inferior program/shop; etc...

[Rachel_Alucard]

The steam store page is still up...

[rainslacker]

It's been a while, but I thought they said they'd provide a Steam key. The physical bonuses would come on their own, and they were going to include a box for the code itself.

Wasn't there another game recently that was going EGS exclusive, but the Steam pre-orders were still going to be provided for those who brought it? It just wouldnt' be availble to the general public anymore.

[Vandamme21]

Who wants to play Shenmue on PC anyway? Just get freakin PS4. I don’t play games on PC. So I don’t care.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Yikes

[SegaGamer]

What a stupid comment.

[Dark_Overlord]

I backed for the PS4 release, but I'll be damned if i'll support this BS from Ysnet and Deep Silver, bait and switch plain and simple.

[quent]

NPC of the year

[JackBNimble]

There is a shenmue 3 page on steam . Yet another game advertised on steam getting pulled down because of these sleazy Epic tactics.

[TheCryptKeeper]

People would be right to assume the PC is an open platform that's trying to be consolized.

[Spurg]

It's an absolute shame really

[2pacalypsenow]

Good.

[ChrisW]

Yeah! Good that they know it won't be as good as many want it to be. Making it an exclusive helps to determine whether it'll sell extremely well or be panned as a flop.

I'm going for the latter...

[Father__Merrin]

Why should it automatically be on steam? You have console fanboys then you have pc fanboys and even worst are parts fanboys now the one that really takes the biscuit are store fanboys.... This is the most ridiculous thing ever never mind different machines or amd nvidia Intel blah blah but digital stores lol

This hate and pig headedness at EGS that oh a game they was looking forward to isn't on steam now let's boycott it is unreal.

I hope EGS goes from strength to strength let them squirm I say

[DillyDilly]

From the start they were sold on Steam keys. This now makes that false advertising

[Seafort]

I backed Phoenix Point to get a Steam or GoG key at launch. The developers took Epic bribe money in the end and I demanded a refund. I got the refund and they got Epic's millions but my solemn vow never to buy their game if it ever comes to Steam in the future.

Hundreds of other backers got their refund too but the developers couldn't give a crap about their backers so we all parted ways with a sellout developer.

Never break a promise to people that funded your game and made it all possible. It's morally wrong and false advertising.

[SegaGamer]

Yep, it's a scummy move, but what I am about to show you is something even worse. This is a reply from YS.net to somebody who tried to get a refund.
https://i.imgur.com/vsRGAQ5...

Not even allowing refunds for their lies. I have defended this game to the death in the last few years, stuck up for them with the delays and when people were complaining about the characters faces, but I can't defend this. This is nightmare situation for Shenmue 3, this game of all games was something I was desperate to stay away from negative headlines.

[JackBNimble]

Lying to the people who funded them , such a disgrace.

[gamer7804]

I didn't back this, but out of principle I would ask for a refund, definitely agree with you they have epics money now, they won't miss it though sadly.

[darthv72]

Please explain why it matters if steam or windows or epic or gog is the place for you to buy your game when it is the game itself you are really getting. those are just retailers and anybody knows if a retailer doesnt have what you are looking for then you go to another who does. The platform remains the same... PC.

It's like this in the console world. You want a game and gamestop doesnt carry it, you dont suddenly boycott the game. You go to another retailer who has it. I'm sorry if that is too simple but the way you digital store front guys talk is very petty.

[Cmoney007]

It is always easier to be a drone and accept anything in gaming. People have a right to be pissed because they were told this game would be on Steam.

[Petebloodyonion]

And why should the game come to PS4?
Surely you could buy a PS5 or an Xbox to play a game that you backed?
Perhaps ppl don't want a platform that requires always online and no support.

[quent]

Yeah Steam is still bigger then console gaming so keep going with you're fanboy anti PC rhetoric as long as you want, maybe one day Sony can have a launcher on PC of they're very own, you know when there's no more descernable difference between convenience and better deals for gamer's on console compared to PC.. oh wait

[RaLgEs]

Don't you have some kids to touch? Let people be fanboys. Smh

[meep316]

wtf kind of comment is that?

[trooper_]

... Wat?

[Hungryalpaca]

You’re a real moron. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. No matter how many times people tell you the issues you plug your ears and just scream fanboy.

Your a total idiot.

[trooper_]

But what they advertised is very misleading. I'm not a Shenmue fan because I never played the game but they shouldn't screw people over like that.

[Servbot41]

Epic Store didn't exist when they put money down, genius. Why would anyone expect it to be on anything other than Steam, GOG or Windows store when they backed it?

[cfc83]

Digi store fanboys. Deary me.

[meep316]

sign of the times, so many people just want to rage.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

This situation is 100% reasonable.

They helped fund a game with the promise of a Steam version of the game (for those who chose that perk) and then right near the end before it is released, they do a bait and switch, and go exclusive to the Epic Store.

There's many different reasons why people prefer Steam over Epic Store, ranging from being able to stream it within your own house to another TV, Steam security, Steam refund policy, tons more features, etc., but to lie to the people who helped make your game a reality is complete bullsh*t and should not be pushed to the side like it's no big deal.

[darthv72]

@slaughter, they helped fund the game because it was coming to PC. There had not been a PC version of Shenmue before. Steam is a hugely popular digital store but its not the only digital store. So, again... why does it matter if the store changed? The game is still for PC and that is what they funded.

[meep316]

@Sgt_Slaughter and you can use all the steam features on non steam games, so ya its just stupid nerd rage.

[cfc83]

True. They're upset at the company getting a fee and paying a smaller store sale percentage. These are things which could contribute to a fourth shenmue, were there to be one.

[MadLad]

Nope. A lot of us have multiple storefronts. This is an outcry over anti-consumer practice.

[Tesal]

A refund ? not enough ! .. Everyone able should go for as far as forcing the game to be a steam release even if it is side by side to be an Epic release. Sue them for a refund+compensations 'n let them face million upon million of losses if they keep doing that.

[jeki]

Kickstarter is a risk, it always has been.

Involving the government is a terrible solution.

[Lennoxb63]

Why in the hell does it matte? You're getting the same game for the same price no matter what store you get it from. This is idiotic.

[DillyDilly]

From the start they were sold on Steam keys. This now makes that false advertising

[Lennoxb63]

Regardless. You're still paying for the same game, with the same amount of money. Where it came from isn't relevant.

[JackBNimble]

It is relevant and this is anti-consumerism . People were misled when crowdfunding and now are told they are being forced to use Epic store when they were told from the beginning it was coming to steam.

I would never use Epic's bare bones platform and I will never support another epic tittle again. Anyone who is against this anti-consumerism should stop supporting epic completely as well.

[jeki]

Because many gamers are tribal and their tribe leader is Greedy Gabe.

[quent]

Greedy, when the FUCK did steam buy into any exclusive deals you discharged cum stain ?

[Hungryalpaca]

He’s greedy how exactly? Has nothing to do with tribalism you dolt. Most Pc gamers have Uplay, steam, GOG, Origin.

If you think it’s tribalism you’re an idiot.

[jeki]

"...you discharged cum stain."

"If you think it’s tribalism you’re an idiot."

Only children communicate like that.

[Petebloodyonion]

Perhaps I don't want to play the game on a platform that forces me always online, no possibility to share the game with family and no support.

[Sirk7x]

Some people might not want to use Epic's store. There has also been evidence that the security is pretty poor, and tracks/sells a good amount of your information. That's what you get with Kickstarter though. Same with Project Cars. Most of the backers were for the Wii U version, and that got canceled entirely.

[quent]

Do you know what moral fibre means ?

[Hungryalpaca]

What’s idiotic is people like you not listening to the actual EGS issues. IF EGS was as good as steam no one would care.

However. You have modern XBOX live available as a service and you’re forced to use PSN from 2003 if you want these games.

[feenix-5]

Its on PS4, who cares if epic is the only place on pc to get it. PC wasnt intended for a game like this

[SegaGamer]

"PC wasnt intended for a game like this"

So now there is a rule about what kind of game I should play on PC? I'm baffled at the amount of stupidity on here at times.

[Silly gameAr]

feenix-5 is obviously a troll, trying to get a reaction. No one in their right mind would say something stupid like that.

[lodossrage]

ok, that's just a personal opinion of yours feenix, not a fact. It's intended for whatever the software is developed for. You like it on home system, that's your choice. Other people clearly wanted it on personal computer as well.

I'm a PS4 man myself, but that aside, what's happening here is BS. These people WERE promised steam key versions. Plus Epic store wasn't even a thing back then so it's not like they can argue semantics here.

If I were the backers, I'd press a lawsuit on this if they don't give the money back. Telling the customers you'll give them one version, then potentially forcing them to buy another is both false advertising as well as bait and switch.

[MadLad]

Such a childish statement.
At least one reason to play it on PC is my computer runs circles around the pro.
Two would be potential mod support down the road.
Third would be that I'm far from a fan of the PS4 controller.

[feenix-5]

Keep telling yourself that 😂😂😂

[MadLad]

"Keep telling yourself that".
Keep telling myself objective facts, such as my PC is more powerful than a PS4 Pro?
Or that PC offers mod support?
Or that I simply don't like the PS4 controller?

Okay. I will.
You literally have nothing to say to that, so you react with complete idiocy. *insert obnoxious laugh imogie*

[TheColbertinator]

Pffft wow

[KwietStorm_BLM]

So what're you all gonna do now? Just not play the game at all?

[GameBoyColor]

Knowing pc gamers, theyll torrent it as a big fu to the devs lol

[lodossrage]

Gameboy, if I was a backer I know I'd torrent it. How these backers are getting treated is ridiculous.

[GameBoyColor]

Yeah i agree with you man. Im just saying thats what pc gamers will do and hell the devs get what they deserve.

[quent]

uTorrent

[Hungryalpaca]

It’s going to be highly pirated now.

[MadLad]

As a backer, I'm finding *ahem* other means of playing the game, and selling my code.

[OpenGL]

This is why kickstarter is bullshit.

[RizBiz]

It isn't Kickstarter's fault that other companies are f*cking scumbags.

[Dark_Overlord]

But it is Kickstarters fault for not enforcing their T&C's

[Mainman187]

Lol!

[Dandizzle]

So lame with Epic just throwing money around for the sole purpose of temporarily withholding games off other platforms. Epic pays money, and prevents games from being distributed evenly across multiple sources. Epic should try and get users by having a better place to buy and play games not by paying extra money just to stop it from showing up on other platforms.

The only decent way to do this is for Epic to buy the studio, then power to them for not releasing on other platforms. But just buying up titles for the sole reason of denying them on steam etc. is lame and not in the consumers best interest. Until this practice is ended I'm will avoid Epic. They are trying to become a monopoly by stopping big games on competitors platforms which is shady. If this game was advertised as on steam it they should be held to that, I totally support everyone requesting refunds and I sure hope they get it.

[RizBiz]

DON'T GIVE THEM ANY IDEAS!! >_<

[patterson]

PC gamers are so silly.

[LoveSpuds]

Seems a pretty silly thing to get upset about, particularly if you were so excited for the game you backed it. Honestly, who cares what platform a game is released on, just play the game. For my part, I dont care much as I think the original games have aged terribly and this new release looks really poor as a result of staying faithful to the original games.

Just my opinion of course, but then, I never did like Steam having a stranglehold over the PC platform.

[Hungryalpaca]

You obviously have no interest in learning why people don’t like the EGS. Steam only has a stranglehold because it offers the best service on the platform.

Going from steam to EGS is like going from modern XBL or PSN to XBL in 2004. Has absolutely nothing.

EGS has poor security, no proper forum support, no mod support, no community support, barely functioning friends list, no shopping cart, always online, etc etc.

But keep thinking it’s just people not wanting to use a different store.

[LoveSpuds]

I am not a 'console only gamer' as it happens, I have gamed on a PC most of my adult life, since seeing a pal play Commandoes and Baldurs Gate back in the day.

I just dont get worked up about stuff like this, if it was a game I was really excited to play, I would use whatever launcher it required, I have used plenty of other launchers over the years, I don't care about mod support, forum support, community support etc and Shenmue 3 is a single player title so the friends list stuff doesn't matter either (although it work okay when I tried it).

Some gamers just like to create a stink and get their knickers in a knot about shit that doesn't really matter that much.

[-volt-]

Console only gamers don't get it.

[trooper_]

So people are silly for standing up to anti customer tactics.

Gotcha.

[HighPlayer28]

I really dont understand Yu Suzuki right now. All of this bad press could of been avoided if he would of made sure every fan of the series would be able to play no matter the platform. Now he is hurting the sales of this game by harming the pc steam backers and Xbox one fans.

[Segata]

Glad I got it on PS4 physical instead.

[GrizToof]

Big surprise a business decides to go where they can make more money.... Should have seen this coming from miles away. Luckily for me i'm an old man physical copy gamer and refuse to enter the future of all digital, so as long as it's still coming to PS4 i'm all good. Even though physical games is my thing i do own nearly a thousand steam games and really can't stand the other digital stores but it's Shenmue 3 so if i were to play it on PC i would have bought it anywhere really. Honestly just want to play the game and as long as that experience isn't ruined in any way it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.

[Hungryalpaca]

They’ll lose money. They’ll get far less sales. If you look at all the games that went EGS the sales are piss poor.

[chazjamie]

It's the end of gaming as we know it. You ruined my games.

[Knightofelemia]

Wow that blows

[EliteComments123]

lmao!

[oricon]

The game was a failure for me the moment they announced it. Mainly because of the people making the game, Neilo games basically an indy dev. The fact also sega want little to nothing to do with the game. If sega would even let Yu Suzuki use the yakuza 3 engine it would look and play much better than what we are getting. What made the original games great was how advanced and ahead of the time they were. This game does neither.

[Melankolis]

I don't really understand those Shenmue "fans". On Epic then they want refunds?. Do they really want the game?.

They hate Epic more than they love Shenmue.

I'd do anything to play 3 after all these years be it on consoles or PC.

[RizBiz]

FF8 is my favourite game, and if the HD remaster launched only on the Epic store I wouldn't buy it. F*ck Epic up their lame fortnite asses.

[Melankolis]

It's up to you. At least you have played FF8 so you can easily boycott.

[meep316]

I think that comment illustrates the mindset of the handful of people raging.

[Hungryalpaca]

If you don’t understand why then why don’t you bother looking into it? Your attitude is terrible. “Just buy it anyway”. No thanks. I don’t support bad business practices. EGS is bad for PC gaming. Steam is popular because it’s the best available service. It co exists among origin, Uplay etc. EGS is BUYING exclusive games for their barely functioning launcher.

[darthv72]

Steam didnt have any of these features when it launched. i know because i was there. It took time to build relationships with publishers to get games. it took time to build the foundation to having a big digital marketplace (much of it was inspired by xbox live actually). Epic is trying to get there too, just doing their own way that is quicker.

At the end of the day, the game is still on PC unlike other games that have been canceled after funding through KS and had their platforms changed to something else. So quit your bitching.

[Melankolis]

What part of my attitude is terrible? Lol.
I don't expect you to buy it anyway. That doesn't concern me at all.
Did you know how miserable i was when i knew they made Dead or Alive 3 & Ninja Gaiden Xbox exclusives when i only have PS2? I hated that, but i bought them anyway (and the Xbox console of course).
For the games i love, i sometimes do something i don't like.

[MadLad]

These are people who got the project off the ground, only to be lied to about the product and denied recourse.

It's a concern of ethics. Console gamers are used to being limited to a single closed storefront. PC has always been a fair and open platform. Now Epic wants to just come along and throw an anti-consumer wrench into the machine. Everytime we sit back and accept it, it will just empower them to do it more.

[Melankolis]

If it's ethical issue you mentioned, then i have no comment. It's your and their principal and i really respect that.

But, if you say Epic is anti-customer/anti-competition issue, that's not entirely true. Steam is and has been, anti-customer/anti-competition too, more or less.

You can alway depend on PC for a fairness and openness, yes. But because of that fairness and openness there are many opportunities and options for everyone, not only consumers, but producers (developers, publishers, and stores) as well.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Get your refund then torrent the game for PC when it comes out :D And email the devs the torrent link LMAO

[-volt-]

Too many idiots think the EGS is just another launcher and are ok with that. It goes much deeper. I'll never use it that's for sure.

[CatCouch]

I was planning to buy this on Steam...

I came so close to backing this, I ended up choosing to back Bloodstained instead. I would be pretty upset if I backed this expecting a Steam release.

Making Epic Game Store exclusives out of games that were crowdfunded and already have Steam pages just upsets people. Is the backlash and lose of trust really worth this? I guess I can't blame Epic that much, any dev/pub signing deals now knows full well they will get a lot of backlash.

[plmkoh]

Lmao crowdfunding

Biggest scam circa 2012-2016.

[AK91]

I hope the PC backers get their money back, I personally pledged for the PS4 version so I don't feel ripped off like they do.

[Redrex7000]

LMAO
that what all u idiots get

[Sirk7x]

Remember that time when Project Cars was funded mostly by people who wanted the Wii U version (there was data and polls), then it came out on every console except that one? Don't give money to Kickstarters.

[CptDville]

I thought people baked the game to play it. In fact, they just wanted to put another name on their Steam games list.

[Master of Unlocking]

I thought the game was a PS4 exclusive..?

[cfc83]

It's the publisher who makes these deals. Yu Suzuki's name raised the funds when the store didn't exist. Take it up with deep silver.

[Spenok]

Lols, gotta love entitled people xD.

This ridiculous dog and pony show will forever be a source of hilarity for me.

[Hungryalpaca]

If you think it’s entitlement you’re an idiot.

[timotim]

Will be getting the game regardless, and will get it again if it ever hits the Xbox ecosystem. I'm not one to moan about launchers or stores...the game itself is whats most important to me...not the place I buy it.

[Absonite]

Yes, it is a shiity thing, but you have to ask yourself... Would you rather the team you helped fund make an extra 20%+ towards a sequel etc. Or just mayyybe break even? That's the difference between Steam and Epic. FYI I'm not for, or against any store... it's all shady shit.

[Hungryalpaca]

That extra money made sure doesn’t mean anything when the sales tank.

[DarthZoolu]

This is so stupid!

[CobraKai]

I understand why people would be upset. As a console gamer, if I backed this game for the, let’s say, Panasonic 3DO 4K, but it released exclusively (timed or not) for the Atari Ultra HD Jaguar, I’d want my money back too. Even if this is more about the distribution rather than console, I was backing something that wasn’t fulfilled

[NiteX]

Pretty sure they can sue if they deny refunds.

[ufo8mycat]

Why is this such a big deal? It’s still the PC version. It still plays on your PC. The only difference is you get it from a different digital store. Big deal.

[trooper_]

You need to do better reading.

[Father__Merrin]

Are u looking forward to a game or rather what store its on

[Mylove1516]

People want to keep all the PC games they have bought in one library and for the most part that is steam.
Making this exclusive just hinders profits.

I can understand the backlash.

[Teflon02]

wish I backed so I can join the refund train. F these dirty tactics. I won't be supporting this game ever for such a disrepectful move.

[nismo370]

PC fanboys are just looking for a stupidass excuse to steal, sorry, "pirate" the game.
There is, absolutely, nothing wrong with Epic, just another launcher, but pc gamers are so cheap they want to play for free.

[Question_Mark]

Wow, are you really that delusional?

[Kostche]

Good, its their choice to demand refund, i hope lots people get refund and dont pick it up, developers will learn the hard way sooner or later, there is to much cloak and dagger bullshit within the industry

[Wolffenblitz]

https://store.steampowered....

[BondJames]

Epic trash

[DafunkyRebel]

Backers can just swallow their pride and get an epic copy, realize the developers had to choose epic for a better deal since Steam is being a bunch of bleeps

[ReVibe]

I know this sounds laughable to some, but some people simply enjoy having their games under one hub. Achievements, friends, workshop, etc. If you're into all of that, then why stretch it across multiple clients?

False advertising is false advertising. Doubt any amount of outcry is gonna change it, but go knock em dead tigers.