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"No more DLC that gamers have to buy for the full experience" - Ubisoft

Quote: Ubisoft's VP of live operations Anne Blondel-Jouin on what Ubisoft has discovered from giving away Rainbow Six DLC

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sinjonezp2744d ago

I remember a time, like the 1990's and early 2000's when we bought games and you have the entire game. Everything was unlocked by actually playing the games, and cheat codes revealed cool stuff.......Those were the days.

Paytaa2744d ago

And it shouldn't be something that is nostalgic. It should be standard.

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jaymacx2744d ago

DLC started out as content added to an already complete game such as KOTOR on the original XBox and was free. Then games on xbox360 had paid DLC and expansions (Oblivion) ... Then it started to be content held back or on disc for added $$$... now Seasons passes.

AnubisG2744d ago

@bruce755

DLC could be the greatest thing but it is abused by developers. Yes, something like Blood and Wine is great. It's what DLC should be but we gotten to a point where you have to pay money for skins, guns, cars or other items and most of the time these are already on the disc but is locked behind a paywall. So there is a huge problem with DLC as it stands.

TWB2744d ago

There were always paid expansions for games, but they were just much more larger. Its like, we now have a hybrid of patched in content and expansion packs for DLCs.

All the old Doom and Quake games had paid expansion packs.

I would rather enjoy going back to that setup, to see companies make some actually good expansions if they want to milk us.

andrewsquall2744d ago

Yep my last major Sega Mega Drive game was Sonic and Knuckles that was pretty much a "DLC"/addon for Sonic the Hedgehog 3. Those were the good days alright. We should also go back to soundtracks that sound worse than a polyphonic ringtone from 2001. Man these rose tinted specs sure are on tight.

@bruce755 Exactly. Somebody making sense. I have to assume these "good old days" people are actually grandpas in their 70s.

yeahokwhatever2744d ago

Games have become immeasurably more complicated, with complexity comes defects(bugs). A single engineer COULD write all of Sonic the Hedgehog. Such a task would be completely impossible for modern games. There's just too much going on. DLC policy shouldnt be attached to patches.

Newmanator2744d ago

Everyone is forgetting one big point - development costs have skyrocketed and game prices have pretty much stayed the same so if the people want better graphics and smooth online they have to understand it must be funded from somewhere. P.s these companies are businesses.

morganfell2744d ago

The infamous Horse Armor...

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BongSmack2744d ago

@bruce755 " Developers couldn't add on entire worlds" Sure they could. They did. A couple that I thoroughly enjoyed were, Beyond the Dark Portal and Thy Flesh consumed.
True though, that not all dlc is bad, but it's awful if you have to pay for dlc to enjoy the core game.
Also it's good when it's free (Go Valve)

ChronoJoe2743d ago

Oh come off it, don't make out that these games are in some way ripping you off in terms of content of the core package. No open world game even comes of the 2000s even comes close to the scope and scale of games like Watch Dogs 2, and it's not just due to technological advancement, publishers like Ubisoft are putting more into these games (in terms of staff and finance) than they ever have.

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-Foxtrot2744d ago

Not really

Think about it...

Rainbow Six launched with a lack of content, the rest of the free DLC was basically what we should have gotten in the main game.

Ubisoft gave off the ILLUSION that it was "doing right by gamers" when really it was just a simple trick

Please tell me you guys are not that stupid...come on it's Ubisoft they've tried this before, hell we've seen this before with something like Evolve.

Aloren2744d ago

Content wasn't free at all in Evolve though.

Teh_Leviathan2744d ago

What was missing from the game when it released?

just_looken2744d ago

Just like the ghost recon wild lands having a season pass already and watchdogs clothing/accessories is behind a paywall.

Rainbow six siege well it took them 5 months to get the hit registration working like a ps2 game they have yet to deliver on all the content.

-Foxtrot2744d ago

Teh_Leviathan

Compare a past Rainbow Six game with this one. You'll see for yourself

It was just a game which was lacking.

freshslicepizza2744d ago

rainbow six is still getting support and they will announce year two season pass, goes to show your lack of knowledge. just because the game doesn't offer an offline campaign mode doesn't mean it was not worth the price. you get far too hung up on hating on multiplayer. i'd rather they make an awesome online game than an average one and an average campaign mode.

what i want to know is does watchdogs 2 have a ton of dlc? ubisoft must be feeling guilty now admitting dlc was required to get the full experience. thats why i never supported destiny, it was a shame from the start.

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Muzikguy2743d ago

@moldy

Problem is the online isn't that great. I had more fun with terrorist hunts in RB6 Vegas.

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UltraNova2744d ago

Well Halleluiah, look who decided to wake up and join the real wolrd! But remember Ubi, actions speak louder than words.

Mikelarry2744d ago (Edited 2744d ago )

Exactly, i dont know maybe I have become jaded but this just makes me think they must have found another way to screw us over.

reminds me of the time they said no more online activation for new games only to turn around and screw us over with crazy season passes and eye watering DLC prices

Kokyu2744d ago

Ita called microtransactions

AnubisG2744d ago

That is completely true UltraNova. It's actions, not words that define someone. As it stands Ubisoft are liars and can't be trusted because of what they did in the past few years showing us BS videos of games claiming that it's in-game video. So, I would take this from Ubisoft with an iceberg worth of salt, such as the size that sunk the Titanic.

Princess_Pilfer2744d ago

Outside of (finally) doing the right thing and not splitting the playerbase of shooters, it sounds like it's just words.

Best case, they put even more microtransactions in things and make things like "expansions" (it's in quotes because with Ubisoft it's usually the case that it just feels cut from the main game) are free. If that's the case then I'm mostly indifferent to it, because while they are lowering the barrier to entry and avoiding segmenting the playerbase, both good things, they're doubling down on micro transactions in fully priced games, which are a cancer that usually involves systems being specifically designed to psychologically pressure you into paying for them which is an inexcusable practice in a game I just paid 60 bucks for. Seeing as that alone is grounds for me to not buy a game (I don't pay 60 bucks for a game just to have to endure being constantly pressured into spending more,) it won't have an impact on me

Ripsta7th2744d ago

You guys better thank Mircrosoft since they basically started this trend
started with Halo 5, then Gears of war 4, then it was titanfall 2
so u ponys at least should show some respect

Princess_Pilfer2744d ago

The trend of putting even more microtransactions into games instead of splitting the playerbase? No thanks.

How about don't split the playerbase *and* don't do microtransactions. Halo Reach, for example,. released an entire seperate game-mode for the halo anniversery thing. The playerbase isn't split by map packs, *and* no microtransactions.

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MasterCornholio2744d ago

No more broken promises Ubisoft especially with this one.

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DragonDDark2744d ago

R6S is a good example of good DLC practice.

SlightlyRetarted2744d ago

I'm still 100% into BF1 (that took completely wrong approach with DLC), but i'm going to buy Siege soon and big factor for that is the approach Ubi took with DLC's. Vote with your wallet works both ways and i'm going to support R6 and maybe the practice will be here to stay.

LOL_WUT2744d ago

I hope you enjoy it like I do. It's a great game. ;)

SlightlyRetarted2743d ago

I bet i will. I'm ready for some slower paced action, i'm just worried i'm bit too late to the party.

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-Foxtrot2744d ago

By launching with hardly any content and then giving you the rest of it free which should have been in the game at launch

It's just a simple trick.

It makes them look like they are by generous when really it's just an illusion. Witcher 3 is a real example of how to do it as the main game was bursting with content.

Artemidorus2744d ago

It's a great idea but it's Ubisoft saying it.

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[Exclusive] Xbox Reaches Agreement With Batman: Arkham Trilogy Creators For A New AAA Game

Ex-Rocksteady directors' Hundred Star is collaborating with Xbox Game Studios Publishing for its first-ever AAA game.

Lightning778h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Highly doubt it'll be an actual Batman game that IP belongs to WB Games along with other DC property.

They're making an action adventure game. IMO I think it needs to be another Marvel game despite MS already have Blade as that action Marvel game. Dead Pool? Punisher?

Realistically it'll probably be a new IP entirely.

The_Hooligan6h ago

I agree with you. I think I'll be a brand new IP. Now it could be a superhero themed, kind of like infamous. Speaking of which, Suckerpunch needs to make one after Ghost 2.

neutralgamer19926h ago

would love a infamous collection for ps5/pc

Lightning776h ago

I definitely think it'll be super hero themed game 100%. Something MS needs in their portfolio.

ThinkThink4h ago

Please, no more super hero games.

PhillyDonJawn3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Dead Pool or Punisher would be amazing!!!
Don't tease me like that man lol. I see them making a new IP that's like an arkham knight clone

MIDGETonSTILTS176h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I hope these devs needed support to start/finish (like Stalker 2), vs are basically done with the game but wanted to secure an exclusivity-bonus because they know Xbox needs a system seller (like Titanfall).

It’s a bit strange that they’d rather invest in this game than Tangoworks’ TWO canceled projects; or just trust a single dev from their existing massive stable of talent to emerge with a system-seller themselves anytime soon.

Either way, it is just cool that we’ll likely get a new IP from the geniuses behind the Arkham Trilogy. I wonder how creative they’ll get now that they aren’t married to an established franchise.

darthv726h ago

This is about the former co-founders of Rocksteady and their new studio. So naturally it makes people think its Batman related with the way its worded, even though its not.

-Foxtrot6h ago

Exclusive? Sure

This year alone Microsoft has changed their plans so much with Xbox regarding multiplatform releases as they step closer to just being a full blown third party publisher and it's only been 4-5 months, imagine where we'll be once this game is finished. It will be a completely different landscape.

ThinkThink4h ago

I don't think MS will ever go completely full 3rd party with all of their games. I can see them looking towards expanding their own mobile store and moving into Mac as ways of expanding. I'm sure ms will bring more exclusives over to ps and nintendo, but I don't think it'll be as many games as you think it will. I hope I'm wrong.

Lightning773h ago

The ever contradictions thoughts and actions of MS definitely says otherwise MS changed up so much on the past 6 months of the year I lost count.

Though I'm more declined to believe they also won't go full 3rd party also.

But.

This year they're having Renaissance a super bowl of gaming with Gamepass this year. BO6, older ABK games, Avowed, Indy and other 3rd party exclusives all to grow and expand gamepass. If these games don't grow the service or grow only a little bit. Then you can fully expect MS to hit the red button and put everything everywhere. Satya will have full Xbox take over doing what he wants from that point on next year.

It's up to Xbox to advertise these games and gamepass in the next 6 months or so get the word out.

Profchaos2h ago

The more the news evolves the more I'm inclined to believe we will see MS embrace full third party status but not call it third party in their word soup ways.

It will be Xbox everywhere plays best on a Xbox.

Next gen Xbox is rumoured to be a reference design similar to the 3d0 where any company can make and sell it.

If you're offloading hardware costs to a third party yet still profiting from the games then you've cut out losses on the hardware you still have a store front that users can use and still make a 30 percent cut on that.

Your games sell for a profit on PS and Nintendo platforms and on Xbox reference hardware along with PC

You lose .kney on DLC and games sold on a competitor storefront they are seemingly already comfortable with this.

The ms bean counters are coming for the ROI that was promised they don't care if they kill the brand as it stands Xbox was never a profitable business it was always just done for reputation

PhillyDonJawn2h ago

@Lightning the would end the console then. No one would buy Xbox over PS at that point cause now you get both with just a PS. If GP flop for them, Logically, rolling back on GP would be the smarter than to do. No more day 1 title. Less quality titles. They'd lose subs but people would go back to buying the games.

Lightning771h ago

@Philly They could scale back gamepass put Indies only, AAA 1st party games coming 4 to 6 months from release. The thing is MS will have to tell their fans to buy their games again and that's gonna take years and years to condition them to buy games again. MS will lose money from that also. They'll lose out on gamepass revenue, lose out on games sales because their fans don't buy as many games anymore.

I can't see them scaling back or axing gamepass it does make them allot of money, they just want more money from it. They're not gonna condition their fans to start buying games either.

As I said they'll go full 3rd party and yes you ate right, if they do that then there would be no reason to buy the next Xbox. I know j won't be, you better hope the next 6 months they advertise the games and GP there little hearts out because this could be it.

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purple1015h ago

Spawn (as well as master chief) are the only characters I associate with Xbox. Are there more I can’t remember?

rlow15h ago

Gears is another big game one.

purple1014h ago

Yeh big game, do you know the name of the lead character. Or team of lead characters. I don’t

rlow14h ago

Marcus, Dom, Cole Train. And I can’t remember the fourth.

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Also the chick from gears 5 seems to pop up on all their modern advertising I can't remember her name either.

Cars also feature heavily in a Xbox ad it's always master chief front and centre with cars and maybe a gears character hanging around

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Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica Remakes are reportedly in the works, not Resident Evil 1

Industry insider Dusk Golem reveals that there is no Resident Evil 1 Remake in the works. Instead, Capcom are reportedly in active development of Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica.

-Foxtrot1d 14h ago

RE Zero would be better to do first over RE1 because they can tie the story into RE1 more.

The original RE Remake was weird because Rebecca never mentioned anything about what happened in Zero and it felt so disjointed because Zero was developed during the Remake and they clearly didn't share any notes with one another.

Cacabunga12h ago

Wise decision. 2 of my favorites!

repsahj1h ago

RE Zero is one of my favorite game on gamecube!

Knightofelemia1d 11h ago

Give me Dino Crisis dammit Capcom

TGG_overlord17h ago

And all it took was +24 years + a phone call from me lol.

GotGame8189h ago

LOL! A phone call from you? ROFL! They have been remaking RE games for YEARS! It was a matter of time!

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Metal: Hellsinger dev says he is against Game Pass after seeing how it affects sales

Founder of Metal: Hellsinger studio says he wasn't against Game Pass until their game launched on Microsoft's service, which affected game sales.

TheProfessional22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Why did PS copy gamepass if it's so terrible and unprofitable? PS Now was before gamepass but it was streaming trash that no one had any interest in.

And honestly the way the industry releases overpriced and broken games with day one season passes and dlc who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?

Only biased PS fans would defend paying more to a corporation rather than an option that's cheaper for the consumer overall. If it's from an indie studio that needs the sales that's different but games published by larger companies are fine on a subscription model. Also any of these devs who complain did decide to put their games on gamepass in thr first place.

ocelot0720h ago

Ahhh yes the typical but but but Sony in a Microsoft article.

When did Sony copy Microsoft? I havent seen Sony's big day one titles such as God of war Ragnarok or GT7? Do you want to know why they are not on the service? Because people are still willing to PAY for the games. Sony has already admitted they lost millions putting Horizon Forbidden West and Ratchet & Clank on PS+ Extra.

"larger companies are fine on a subscription model" Oh really? So why is all the cod games yet to be on it? Where is elden ring? Resident Evil 4 Remake? Street Fighter 6? Boulders Gate 3? Alan Wake 2? Where are they of gamepass is great and big publishers are fine putting newer games on it?

I'll tell you where they are. They are currently still selling for their respected publisher's. You know actually making them money. That money they can use to fund the next project.

who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?

I'm one of the millions who much rather pay $70 so fully support the publisher. Why do we do this? Well for starters I rather just pay for it rather than keep renting it each month. If we all just kept renting years ago blockbuster would still be around. Secondly, I rather we have AAA titles in 10 years time to enjoy. Rather than play mobile quality crap from a subscription.

Tell me how this is a good thing for gaming going forward. The last time I subbed to Gamepass was October 2023. During that one month subscription I played the newly released Starfield, Forza and a few other titles. All for the cost of about $7. Since then Microsoft have not released anything I want to try out or put anything on GP I want to try. So they last made $7 from me 8 months ago.

In the last 3 months. I have bought Sea of Thieves on PS5 (earning MS more money on that than my 1 month subscription to gamepass). Resident Evil 4 for £20 and Diablo 4 for £25 (again earning MS more buying this than buying a sub). Tell me how it's best for gaming I pay $7 and play the latest and greatest for a month. Rather than just buying what I want even if it means waiting a few months and getting it cheaper than full price yet earning the publisher more than renting said games of a monthly sub.

darthv7213h ago

...but didn't this game leave GP and then join PS+?

If a sub service is so bad, why get into another one right away?

Cacabunga12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Finally devs waking up! More will follow .. reminds me of capcom during PS3,360 era almost going bankrupt they released extremely poor games because Xbox gave them paychecks not to release them on PS3 for as period. Sales were terrible and they went away from that.

Hofstaderman20h ago

Sony has never released new titles day one. They experimented with Forbidden West which was fairly new and quickly discovered that it cannabalized sales. XBOX gamepass was always an act of desperation to remain relevant and in their desperation they effectively dug their grave where today everybody is biding their time for their formerly exclusive titles. In a nutshell GamePass made XBOX not relevant.

Plague-Doctor2713h ago

It wasn't desperation. Subscription Models had a very different outlook in 2017 and then with the gaming surge during COVID reaching critical mass seemed more and more possible.

Phil convinced Satya to chase a trend and it hasn't worked out

shinoff21838h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Pretty much. People can say what they want but Ms said it themselves with the court papers. It was definitely desperation. Xbox was getting it handed to them. They were desperate.

lellkay19h ago

Literally dev who put game on gamepass:
It's not good

TheProfessional: but but sony but sony

S2Killinit18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Sony didnt copy MS. MS copied Sony, then MS went on to make xbox a subscription device. Remember that part? Yeah.

MrNinosan18h ago

You're not too bright, right?

First of all, Sony didn't copy Microsoft regarding PS+ and GamePass, which you admit to early in your comment, but with some faults. PSNow was not only streaming.
The mentality at Xbox gamers, is to NOT buy games, because they are used to get it on GamePass, preferbly day 1 like with all Xbox Studios games.

This is not a thing at PS+ and never was.
Sure there was plenty day 1 games on PS+ like, Rocket League, Stray, Sea of Stars, Tchia, Operation Tango etc, but those didn't take away from gamers that it was more like a "bonus" than a "thing".

Playstation gamers buy games, a lot of games and PS+ has been proving to be way better for business than GamePass, both by actually having more subscribers but also no eating up sales.

dveio18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

"Only biased PS fans would defend paying more to a corporation rather than an option that's cheaper for the consumer overall.“

How can you possibly come to this conclusion?

First, you pay for a subscription.

Then download games. But games will eventually leave the service. You will again need to buy them if you want to play them ever again. Or if you cancel your subscription. Right?

Eventhough this may NOT have an effect on every subscriber, this IS in fact the economical motiviation behind the service like GP.

If you are not already paying "double" this way, you pay at a 1.2 or maybe even at a 1.5 ratio eventually than opposed to simply buying the game in the first place.

As I said, this maybe doesn't apply to every subscriber. But this doesn't erase the fact of this business model existing. And possibly keep growing.

It's driving me nuts at times that especially the die hard Xboxers seem not to understand what they are actually cheering for foolishly.

The Wood17h ago

xbots always tryna group...

..they'll never understand or refuse to acknowledge why these two console brands are miles apart. Gamespass isn't the golden egg some would have you believe. Its hit its peak and is nowhere near the demanded target of subs by the purse holders

The Wood16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

xbots always tryna group...

..they'll never understand or refuse to acknowledge why these two console brands are miles apart. Gamespass isn't the golden egg some would have you believe. Its hit its peak and is nowhere near the demanded target of subs by the purse holders. on top of that it seems more devs on top of the devs that have shunned the service are not seeing the value of subs vs actual sales. Sell first, sub later works better than sub off the bat. MSGaming has a major sea change decision to make regarding COD. Do they release it dod and lose a high portion of up front revenue or either up the price of gp on the whole or create an even higher sub tier to cushion the blow or don't release it on gp at all and potentially damage the good will gesture reiterated not too long ago. The acquisition money wasn't free money....they'll have to pick their poison

anast15h ago

"Why did PS copy gamepass if it's so terrible and unprofitable?"

They didn't copy GP. They aren't dumb enough to put their exclusives day 1.

"Who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?"

People who don't like to rent things.

outsider162413h ago

It's funny when he says who wouldn't pay for a subscription instead of paying 70$. Well no shit...if MS keeps releasing average titles who wouldnt..🤣

Cockney11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

The reason is playstation didn't copy anybody and they don't release broken games, their games are still not day 1 and Ps players still buy games so ps+ is just an option for those that want a subscription service, the fact playstation doesn’t push it front and centre should tell you a lot.
On xbox gamepass IS front and centre with an option to buy games on the side, look how that is panning out for them!
Xbox fans are the only ones trumpeting this from the rooftops

shinoff218310h ago

Weren't we able to download ps3 on ps3 and ps4 on ps4 systems back then I really don't remember.

Truth is Ms still copied Sony and made a couple adjustments. One adjustment being day one games which clearly has been xboxs issue hence the ps5 releases, and they groomed the base to not buy games.

romulus239h ago

To be fair it takes it's own level of bias to not see the harm day one game pass is doing to xbox and the industry as a whole. Harm that xbox themselves have admitted to.

ChasterMies9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

“Why did PS copy gamepass”

This is a long story that spans decades. Sony subscription services for games (PS+ and PS Now) before Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft weren’t the only ones. We’ve seen OnLive die, Google’s Stadia die, and disc rental services die. What made Game Pass successful is the amount of money Microsoft is able to lose. Everyone expected Sony to offer a one-to-one Game Pass competitor and they did. To actually make money, Somy sells its own games for at least a year before relegating them to PS+. Sony also has scale. More PS5s sold means more users which means more money. Will these subscription services last? Probably not. Few things do.

Flewid6385h ago

As a huge fan of PS Premium, I don't recall a single AAA game launching on it. Even a AA game.

Everything I've found on PS Premium has already been out for sometime. Better selection too. There are games I trialed that I said "yup, I'm buying".

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Skuletor21h ago

I feel no sympathy for the guy, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that putting your game on gamepass would affect sales.

JEECE15h ago

Seriously, how is it that devs need one of their games to bomb in sales due to Gamepass for them to realize what so many people could easily predict? Like people joke about "armchair CEOs" on here, but at least with respect to the effect of Gamepass, we keep seeing that the armchair CEOs are actually smarter than the real heads of these indie studios.

Skuletor8h ago

Probably short-sightedness when he saw that initial Microsoft check, temporarily made all reason jump out the window 🤑

shinoff21838h ago

In some of the devs defense they know the game won't sell. So why not take the gamepass check. Hopefully yaluza/like a dragon sell decent on Xbox. I'd like to keep this series around.

dveio19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

The 'day-one' feature is the breaker or maker with GP, business-wise.

GP is no Netflix.

Because, from all the Marvel's Avengers to Sicarios, illustratively speaking, they all had their box office money. Before they had entered Netflix.

This concept shows you what Microsoft have actually put themselves into.

And what situation studios put themselves into if they go day-one into GP.

solideagle15h ago

GP/PS Extra day one is best suited for GAAS or free to play games

truthBombs19h ago

Why not sell your game the traditional way first? Then after about 6 months to a year put it on a sub service.

Day one on gamepass is a gamble. It works for some (Pal world) and not for others.

anast15h ago

It's the old psych. experiment. Set out some candy and tell the person they can have it all now, or if they wait, they can have double the amount. Most choose the first option, then complain when it doesn't work out for them.

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