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Sony says the 4K PS4 Pro is 'where we think the market wants to go'

Yesterday at the PlayStation Theater in New York City, Sony announced two new iterations of the PlayStation 4, both of which are due to launch this year.

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Overload2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

"I think the fact that we’re going to put this on the market on November 10th, and we’ve been working on it for two, two and a half years, if other people are also innovating in the life cycle, I think that began after we started."

Of course it did.

Also, the PS4 Pro seems to be doing quite well, it will be interesting to see if it can maintain or if the cheaper slim overtakes it during the holidays.
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MasterCornholio2819d ago

I personally believe the Slim will sell more just because Sony is probably producing more of them.

donthate2819d ago

Doesn't matter when you started. That's just baloney, because I don't buy stuff based on how long people have been working on a console. I buy a console, because it gives values in the area I'm interested in. When you started isn't one of them, and lack of UHD Blu-Ray drive is the opposite of value.

But Sony is not reacting right, they are leading with lack of UHD Blu-Ray drive. I see now that Sony learned a lot from the Xbox 360 that stuck to DVD! o_0

rainslacker2819d ago

You know, in all the time we've both been on here, and had our differences, I was thinking this would be the first time I'd ever agree with you, because you were spot on in that first paragraph, and then you go an kind of ruin it with those last two sentences. The first part is fair enough to emphasize your point, and show that they aren't adding value, but that last part just kind of came across as bitter, and the two scenarios are entirely different, with different implications to the consumer.

MS keeping DVD on the 360 affected all gamers across the board, as most games ended up having to conform to that medium despite a better medium being available. The lack of inclusion of a UHD player just means people that want that feature can't use it for said feature, and ultimately only affects their willingness to buy the system with that intent. Beyond that, the PS4P and X1S are relatively equal outside the PS4P having the obvious power advantage, with real world examples shown of the different options it can provide to games themselves, which do extend beyond just HDR, some of which are relevant to the entire install base, instead of just those with 4K TV's.

DJustinUNCHAIND2819d ago

It's a brand new product.

I would be surprised if it wasn't at the top of Amazon.

Bansai2818d ago (Edited 2818d ago )

Still damage controlling, nice. Must be nice to have all that time for pointless things in life like that.

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YinYangGaming2819d ago

"if other people are also innovating in the life cycle, I think that began after we started." That's the one bit I don't agree with. I would imagine Microsoft started on Scorpio as soon as the weak, underpowered X1 was released in 2013

Overload2819d ago

Then why is it releasing pretty much 12 months after the PlayStation Pro?

ARESWARLORD2819d ago

Because it's using a different GPU the GPU that will be in the Xbox Scorpio hasn't even been released in the market yet I do have to say as a computer guy there's no way Sony has been planning this for two and a half years all they did is wait for the new GPU architecture to drop overclock their CPU and drop in a new GPU you can do the same with any PC that being said I just got back from EB Games and fully paid for the PS4 Pro

uth112819d ago

Because they are dependent on AMD tech which is not available yet. Just like PS4Pro couldn't release until now because the Polaris chips only recently became available.

donthate2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

Basically Sony gambled on VR being big, and that they needed a more powerful console than PS4, so the rushed to get PS4 Pro out. MS did what is best for gamers, and waited a year to give you best bang for your buck possible.

MS are going with new architecture for both CPU and GPU with Vega and Zen. No half measures, no stopgap. Just full on raw performance to make your eyes bleed!

Chrissy:

I didn't say I have no interest in VR. I actuallly have VR on my PC, which I upgraded specifically for VR. I just don't think the general public will accept it as it is which is quite different.

Christopher2819d ago

***Basically Sony gambled on VR being big, and that they needed more powerful console than PS4, so the rushed to get PS4 Pro out.***

You keep creating that narrative of yours. Even though everything shown has been confirmed to run on PS4 with only minor issues that are typical in alpha/beta stages occurring in the floor demos. And this is coming from the guy who has no interest in VR, PS4 Pro, or the like. It just gets annoying seeing you try to create this narrative by posting it so often without any actual facts.

freshslicepizza2819d ago

@Overload
"Then why is it releasing pretty much 12 months after the PlayStation Pro?"

for technology/price ratio to catch up. sony's ps4 pro seems more aimed at enhancing psvr by not including a ultra bluray drive and by merely having some upscale technique to achieve non-native 4k. the cpu is basically the same as the original ps4 as well. i seriously doubt scorpio will be the same cpu.

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ThePope2819d ago

I think they started development the moment Phil took over. The funny thing is the only thing these moves by Sony and MS show is that consoles aren't going any where which is awesome.

miyamoto2818d ago

MS revealed their hand first again...

MilkMan2819d ago

Nope. We want better and more triple A games.
Sony should stick with movies and games and leave the TV selling to Samsung and Vizio.

Overload2819d ago

Who has better and more AAA games than PlayStation?

gangsta_red2819d ago

Nintendo has more AAA games that are rated higher.

Overload2819d ago

The Wii U does have great games, albeit none recently.

Christopher2819d ago

PC also has better and more AAA games than PlayStation...

343_Guilty_Spark2819d ago

Multiplats matter more than Sony exclusives

Overload2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

@christopher

That's debatable. The industries biggest developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog (for example) are found making console games generally.

ShadowKnight2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

@Gangsta_red that makes Microsoft look even worse without first party studio's. Nintendo and Sony is doing a great job in that department. Even PC has more AAA games lol 😅

gangsta_red2819d ago

@ShadowKnight

"that makes Microsoft look even worse..."

Okay...if you say so...I was under the impression that Overload wanted to know who had better or more AAA games.

When did this turn into a "lol @ Microsoft" jamboree and why should I care?

Christopher2819d ago

***That's debatable. The industries biggest developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog (for example) are found making console games generally.***

I guarantee the list of higher rated, AAA exclusives on PC will easily beat any other platform out there. It may not have the 'highest rated' game, but it will have more higher rated (90+ metacritic) games than any other platform. It will also have more crap games than all the other platform put together, but, you know, that's the part of PC gaming we don't talk about in public.

nix2819d ago

Christ,

Last gen Sony had 3 GOTY games. Xbox had one, i think - Gears of War. Almost every nominations were either PS exclusives or Xbox. I rarely saw a PC exclusive win a GOTY. I understand one or two years of not getting GOTY but an entire generation?

Christopher2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

***Last gen Sony had 3 GOTY games. Xbox had one, i think - Gears of War. Almost every nominations were either PS exclusives or Xbox. I rarely saw a PC exclusive win a GOTY. I understand one or two years of not getting GOTY but an entire generation?***

Wait, is this about 'better and more AAA games' or is this just about 'GotY winners'? Which is it? What goal post are we moving now and to where? Need help?

The reason PC doesn't get recognition is because so much focus has been put on consoles or third-party titles available on all platforms. But, you want a Game of the Year winner? Pillars of Eternity. Best RPG from last year, completely overlooked solely because The Witcher 3, which is a great game, has the mass market focus due to being on all platforms.

I'll tell you what, though, look at streaming and activity, and PC games come out on top. Look at competitive games? PC games come out on top. Look at MMO/MP games? PC games come out on top.

The fact is, there are more games available on PC that are not available on any console. From those games, a good number of them are very highly rated and are AAA games. Even moreso, a game on PC will always work. You don't need to save an old PC or PC component to play a past game. You can play it on your current PC and the next and so on. In addition, PC gaming brings out the latest technology first and has the best looking games of each generation, even if people choose to ignore that PC exists and go with something like Uncharted 4 (it's a beautiful game, but better than what you can get on PC? C'mon now...). And, further, never ever discount what PC gaming has done to make console gaming what it is today. It's because of PC games that consoles have many of the games we do today.

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2pacalypsenow2819d ago

Sony has some of the best 4k TV's on the market, only thing is most people are too cheap to buy them.

MilkMan2819d ago

Right, wich is why 4K gaming is not a "thing" right now.
It's less than 1% adoption rate.

LexHazard792819d ago

Well yeah when the competition is selling better TVs cheaper.

trooper_2819d ago

Okay, let me know when Microsoft invests in new IPs because Sony is the only game company doing it.

-Mezzo-2819d ago

Like myself, people have themselves to blame more than Sony, the Hype/Rumors ( Like Always ) got way out of hand and not that we look at what was revealed, it's actually not bad, not bad at all keeping $399 Price Tag in mind.

Plus, this simply is not an Answer to Scorpio, i am almost willing to bet that a proper Next-Gen system like Scorpio will come Late 2018/early 2019.

BlackTar1872819d ago

I agree i think 2018 reveal 2019 release. If this is a mid gen like they say 2019 would be the release date. I believe MS said every 4 years for them so that's 2021 for the new system.

donthate2819d ago

I'm looking forward to 2019-2020, because we are going to get the Xbox Kracken to fight the PS4 Pro 2: The sequel.

vergilxx32819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

Im glad that they are doing pro version i really want ps4 for it's exclusives
better graphics and higher frame rate is a bonus
day 1 for me and i don't care what people think about it i'm still getting it

ChiefofLoliPolice2819d ago

Good deal already pre ordered mine. :)

343_Guilty_Spark2819d ago

PS5 will come 2020 at the earliest. But then Scorpio 2 will be there in 2021.

ShadowKnight2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

Announcement E3 2018 and release early 2019 with EXCLUSIVE GAMES buddy. There I fixed it for you 😅😂

Xbox isn't a threat anymore. They can't even sell 25 million consoles in 4 years 😂😅

BlackTar1872819d ago

lol at the comment AT THE EARLIEST and then Scorpio 2 in 2021.

3 yrs from now for ps5 is so attainable and is in line with the Term MID gen upgrade on the nose.

LexHazard792819d ago

@shadowKnight, but it hasnt been 4yrs.

rainslacker2819d ago (Edited 2819d ago )

I think it's more down to people have been saying since the beginning it's not enough for this gen, despite it probably being OK overall. The 4K stuff is just overhyping all this even more though, and if this new paradigm continues in some form going forward, it's only going to become more rediculous where it leads to too much potential for companies to start focusing on the wrong thing.

I don't think Sony is really wrong overall in what they're saying here, but it seems both companies tried to start the gen too early, instead of toughing it out another year or two to get to a point where it would actually be beneficial for the consumer as a whole, and not require more investment to stay ahead of the curve.

More specifically though, I think both console makers kind of forced the market to want to go this way by releasing consoles which were perceived as under powered across the board. Before this gen, I've never once heard someone hope for more console releases which blur the lines between generations, or give multiple options to the consumer. Even before the rumors started I never heard people asking for that, they just complained about the power of the systems. Complaining about it isn't the same as the market wanting this new option, it's just them complaining that the companies didn't do something right the first time.

Other than that, the PS4P specs are fine, and the features are nice regardless of if you own a 4K TV or not. Whether it's worth it will be up to the individual. The only thing which made me say I wouldn't get one is the lack of the UHD player, since that is the only thing I would conceivably want from it at this time. Despite some games taking advantage of the new features, I have this feeling that most software still won't fully utilize the Neo's benefits until next holiday season.

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Boosteroid Plans On Adding More AAAA Titles Exclusively To The Service

The VP of Marketing at Boosteroid revealed that the company is in talks with major publishers to secure exclusive games on the service.

Relientk771d 10h ago

So they're adding Skull and Bones to their service? That doesn't seem exciting at all lol.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken2d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty2d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken2d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty2d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken2d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0072d ago (Edited 2d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken2d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot2d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto2d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer2d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek2d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken2d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie1d 22h ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12083d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast3d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit3d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export3d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2033d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies3d ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX3d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody3d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

Cacabunga3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_3d ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga3d ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

Rainbowcookie1d 22h ago

Yeah but the one that was "bad" didn't even affect sales.

bunt-custardly3d ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga3d ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit3d ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_3d ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff21833d ago (Edited 3d ago )

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies3d ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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