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Watch a DirectX 12 vs Direct X 11 Video Comparison, Showing up to 50% Performance Increase

During the Windows 10 Keynote Xbox Division Head Phil Spencer introduced a video comparison showcasing the performance of the upcoming DirectX 12 API pitched against the current DirectX 11.

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DarkOcelet3427d ago

Dx12 looks good. So does that mean it will increase the performance and frame rate if it crashed or stopped on dx11 on the same pc specs or what?

Pandamobile3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

It's a synthetic benchmark designed to show the shortcomings of the old APIs and how they've fixed that in the new one.

Adding ridiculous amounts of draw-calls on a DX11 application will eventually choke it and slow it down, especially with a crappy CPU. DX12 removes that big draw-call bottleneck and allows the CPU to keep the GPU fed with data more efficiently.

That's what going on here. It'll have much less effect on systems that already largely work around this bottleneck like the Xbox One does.

DarkOcelet3427d ago

Thanks for the explanation.

traumadisaster3427d ago

That was a great description.

Can I keep my ol 2500k due to dx12?

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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ3427d ago

But what about the "Every CPU core talking to the GPU instead of 1 core at a time" benefit? Supposedly only 1 CPU core can talk to the GPU and now all cores can talk to the GPU at one time, wouldn't that make the 6 (now 7ish)cores in the CPU be drastically more beneficial than just 1?

Kingscorpion19813427d ago

This will be great for High End PCs but not for Xbox one

GameNameFame3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

another coffin in the nail on having little impact on X1.

@LOLbiasedMUCH

Are you serious? You honestly think technology to use all cores dont exist unless DX12?

There is already software, middleware exist to do this. Even Ubisoft talked about this.

Time to accept reality.

Kleptic3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

gutzandpapercuts...

thats the main benefit, or more specifically...that is exactly where the draw call overhead is reduced...

with previous DX api's, frame culling was sync'd in a way that required a specific set of tasks to be completed before the draw call was sent to the GPU...

mantle, and now DX12...get around that by somewhat unlocking this issue by arranging the rendering path in a way that every core can independently send draw calls to the gpu...the reason it can do this is simplified calcs for the cpu, more of a brunt on the gpu (more 'behind the scene' stuff is being calculated by the gpu, of which was traditionally handled by a cpu)...which is fine, as currently gpu's are WAY ahead of modern cpu's in terms of processing potential.

This is precisely why mantle had some pretty big improvements on PC's with high core'd cpu's...but little to no improvement on cpu's with lower core counts, but high IPC figures...cpu's with high IPC numbers aren't stressed out by sync'd draw calls because they're blisteringly fast per cycle...but when a low IPC, high core cpu has the renderer split among 8 cores...its a major bottleneck...and mantle helped tremendously...

TL;DR...For PC, mantle and DX12 are API solutions that allow a bit of a dated cpu to run a very powerful gpu, and get great results...without either API, a weaker cpu won't be able to feed a powerful gpu.

for consoles, specifically the Xbox One?...be ready for a lot of marketing BS...both consoles already have very 'to the metal' api's, that is a fundamental advantage of a closed hardware system, and why the 'weaker' consoles continue to put out visuals a lot better than what the hardware would suggest...

UKmilitia3427d ago

so what cards are supported?
my 550ti wont be i bet

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Magicite3427d ago

the question is - when there will be DX12 compatible graphics cards for affordable price?

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Webbyy3427d ago

Oh Really? the nonbelievers will not like this at all.

Keep up the good work MS.

DarkOcelet3427d ago

Do we really need that? Keep it on topic. No need for fanboy debate, you are just asking for it.

TheRedButterfly3427d ago

This IS on topic! The topic is DX12 and what it can do vs DX11. Stop being an apologist.

DarkOcelet3427d ago

Oh am sorry, i didnt know the non believers were part of the topic. If he said Keep up the good work MS . I would not have said anything but he is asking for someone to troll just to prove his point. Why cant we just get along?

Charybdis3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

It already was part of the conversation, when looking at promised performane gains, there has been lot of skepticism from devs such as ice team and treyarch on what kind of advantage dx 12 would allow when it will launch in 2015 (edit first dx 12 games in 2015?). I am still not confinced but it should at least allow for easier cross platform development of apps and games in the windows 10 environment.
Good news seems to be that dx12 is now available to the big game engines such as unity and unreal.
edit : http://n4g.com/news/1488572...

q8kik3427d ago

@Charybdis

Ice Team and Trayarch were talking about the DX12 performance boost for the xbox One, not PC.

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Cyb3r3427d ago

Probably a dumb question but will I need to upgrade my Gefore GTX 680 to a DX12 card if I want to enjoy the benefits of DX12? I just bought my 680 and Im not too keen on upgrading my GPU again for quite a while

Pandamobile3427d ago

The GTX 680 is already years old at this point. You're going to need a DX12 GPU to take advantage of DX12.

deadfrag3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

It seems you dont know that nvidia cards from gtx 400 going forward will all support dx12, this was confirmed by Nvidia already!

Pandamobile3427d ago

That's completely different. Yes you can run DX12 applications on older cards, but you're not going to be able to take advantage of any of the features that require specialized hardware. It's simply a fallback.

Much like DX11 GPUs had all the extra bits for tessellation and stuff, DX12-native GPUs will have extra hardware built in for DX12-specific tasks.

neoandrew3427d ago

But the possible 50% increase will come out of lower cpu overhead in DX12, it will have nothing to do with DX12 gpu features, this is the first time that the performance will came from much better software, but to be honest, dx11 is just plain broken, broken hard.

So don't worry, maybe gtx 680 is old, but after dx12 update it will have a second life and great performance.

crazychris41243427d ago

"At GDC 2014, Microsoft and Nvidia have taken the lid off DirectX 12 — the new API that promises to deliver low-level, Mantle-like latencies with vastly improved performance and superior hardware utilization compared to DX11. Even better, DirectX 12 (and D3D 12) are backwards compatible with virtually every single GPU from the GTX 400 to the present day."

http://www.extremetech.com/...

Pandamobile3427d ago

i.e you'll be able to use the DX12 API on older cards, but you still won't be able to take advantage of any of the DX12 hardware features, cus you still lack the new hardware.

I'm curious why Rich would buy a GTX 680 in 2015, when there's so many better options out there.

neoandrew3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@Pandamobile

So maybe list for us those DX12 hardware features that will make that increase in performance.

You are wrong, the performance increase WILL NOT COME FROM ANY DX12 hardware feature, it is pure software fix, yes fix, cuz dx11 is a broken mess.

Nobody says "i'm rich" nor will buy gtx 680 in 2015, but many people have 680 so there is no point to change it if it is great and will support dx12.

Femto3427d ago

the 680 is a beast, you should have no problem, just install windows 10 when it comes out and you'll be set.

Abriael3427d ago

All DX11 cards will be DX12 compatible, so no, no need to upgrade.

Gamer19823427d ago

Yep as DX12 is a new way for windows to access the GPU directly without middle-ware so to speak (laments terms) So the GPU itself won't need nothing more thana drive update to talk back however really old cards probably could do with an update anyway ;). DX11 cards shouldn't have an issue at all. It's not like when DX10 came out that was a whole new API that functioned differently and graphics were rendered differently to perform better. Thats not the case this time around. Thats also why it won't have a lot of impact on Xbox. Which is probably a good thing as DX upgrades in the past although have made graphical improvements they have actually SLOWED DOWN your hardware..

CryofSilence3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

You also need Windows 8 or later for dx12, I believe. Fortunately, I am on Windows 8.1 (will get 10) with a DX12 native GTX 970.

ARESWARLORD3427d ago

same here. Off topic those gtx 970's are amazing

Kingdomcome2473427d ago

It's neat that they're letting all Win 7 and up users to upgrade to 10 for free within the first year.

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kingtroy3427d ago

Like how they paused the Directx11 and kept moving the directx12 to show improvement

BLow3427d ago

I couldn't help but laugh outloud after reading your comment. Not saying its true but it made me laugh....thanks man

hello123427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

PC and x box 1 are more unified with windows 10 and directx12. Intel even showed weaker CPU's perform better with directx12 and guess what the x box 1 and PS4 have weak CPU's there is going to be a noticeable performance for x box 1. Playstation fans are falling into the trap directx12 will be more beneficial for PC they are going to be wrong on that.

From that video i see about 5 to 10 per cent increase in visual quality its not a huge leap and i think that maybe thats what Phil was on about massive change. I don't see a huge leap in graphics performance from directx11 to directx12 going by that video.

Mechanism i never said Sony would be unable to bring out something like directx12 in the future you must be confused? The problem it directx12 wasn't an overnight thing its takes many months if not years of coding. Sony would have to look at the code break it down and work at it could take a while to come out with something like it.

Mechanism the only people wrong about sales were you guys i remember you boys touting 16 million around October and November and i said it was around 13 to 14 million around November. I was right (13.5 end of october) you moron. Sony supposedly added 4 million consoles in December only for that 1 month everyones numbers on here were entirely inaccurate but you guys are too dumb to notice when wrong.

Mechanism3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

No, you are just far too naive to realise that Sony aren't just going to sit around and do nothing with regards to similar updates..

EDIT: I must be confused, O child.. Once again, you are so naive.. ha.. You think Sony have been sitting around doing nothing? You think they have nothing in the pipeline with regards to updates? Even though these DX12 plans have been known for a long time.. Man alive..

Sony fans are going to be wrong huh? Are they going to be as 'wrong' as you were about PS4 sales not long ago, what a joke. You got proven wrong multiple times, not just in that sales instance, but in nearly every comment you make.. You are the most deluded person on here without a shadow of a doubt..

You really do live in a dream world.

headblackman3427d ago (Edited 3427d ago )

@ Mechanism

microsoft isn't sitting still with system sells, but they are still loosing that battle right now. this api (dx12) will be no different from that situation. sony's not a software company! now they do enough to get buy, but they are a hardware company and they rely heavily on the muscle of the hardware, so no, i don't think that anyone believes that they will just sit back idle (and im sure you've never heard anyone ever say that or even allude to that simple minded thought), but neither will microsoft and we both know who's better at this software game.

just like people who prefer ps4 want people who prefer x1 to except and buy into the idea of microsoft not ever being able to catch up in system sales, people who prefer ps4 need to except that there is no way that the ps4 will ever catch up when it comes to superior software tools that allows the most for developers and to the consumers experience.

but again i say, no here or in this world believes that sony will sit by in an idle position and not at least attempt to compete in the api area.

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Gamer19823427d ago

AMD are going to love DX12 as it means more cores get used and AMD are all about the cores..

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Phil Spencer Confirms More Xbox Games Will Come To Other Platforms

Phil Spencer confirms that more Xbox games will be available on new platforms during a new interview after Xbox Showcase.

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shadowT6h ago

Starfield, Hellblade 2 and Halo...

Cacabunga3h ago

Perfect Dark and Gears and the game with the girl and the huge croc

Eonjay2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

That last article where everyone is having a baby over a showcase is ridiculous because the Xbox showcase was really a multiplat showcase...

MrBaskerville1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

@Eonjay

I think people are just happy that they gave us something to be excited about. It being multiplatform stuff makes it even easier to rejoice as everyone gets to enjoy it. This show was really what Summerfest should have been, just with less of an xbox focus obviously.

These shows are fun to watch because we get to be excited about new games.

With that said, I imagine Perfect Dark, South of Midnight and perhaps state of decay 1-3 would be possible candidates for ps5. Doom might also be a given. They didn't really try to hammer home its exclusivity.

Eonjay1h ago

@MrBaskerville

Totally agree. I did enjoy SGF though unlike the majority. My personal taste is more eclectic than most. I found stuff at each show to enjoy.

MajorLazer1h ago

Elder Scrolls 6 for PS5, please. Also I'd like the Forza franchise, I owned all four of the OG motorsport titles and FM4 is still one of, if not my favourite racing game ever.

RaiderNation1h ago

The two Ori games as well. I have a feeling those will get announced too.

italiangamer6h ago

Satya Nadella wants that PlayStation's money, Phil Spinster now is as relevant as MySpace

purple1015h ago

Phil Spencer (February 15th 2024):

"Looking forward so 4 games no promise beyond that, so if you're on those other platforms and you see these four games coming please don't take it as some signal that everything is coming, it's not."

Phill Spencer (June 9th 2024)

'Our commitment to our Xbox customers is you're going to get the opportunity to buy or subscribe to the game, we're going to support the game on other screens. And you are going to see more of our games on more platforms and we just see that as benefit that the franchises we're building and we see that from players and the players love to be able to play'

Jingsing5h ago

I won't be buying any Xbox games anyway, Not going to subsidize their vision of changing gaming industry into streaming everything via a netflix subscription and they are the only choice. Remember when it comes to Microsoft "It's us or no one" You can't complain after they have taken over either.

Shane Kim4h ago

Especially when they "give" it to Xbox users and expect playstation users to pay full price for it. Like second class citizens.

Ironmike1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

U won't be missed

neomahi3h ago

So, the benefit of having an Xbox is the option of a subscription service that's more like a buffet and not a deluxe plate. By staying loyal to Xbox means day 1 "free" games of your choice. Xbox is a service.

If rumors are true Xbox is going the 3DO route, Xbox is basically a PC. I mean, since PlayStation caved and started using off the shelf parts to "make it easier on developers", which is a croc as were how far into this console generation and the only devs to really support PS5, kind of, is Insomniac, San Diego, and Santa Monica and we've seen nothing from other devs. PS4 was supposed to be easier so PS5 would be even easier, right? But what've we really seen from Sony first party when it comes to PS5 games? Nothing, they're all still possible on PS4. Xbox? Same thing. Hi-Fi Rush was possible on at least Xbox One X (another lie from Xbox with No one gets left behind). Wow

MrBaskerville1h ago

The original comment still stands, as long as they withold one or two series of games on xbox. Most could come but that still wouldn't mean that you could expect every game to arrive.

I suspect they want people to speculate, because then you don't know whether you should wait for a ps5 port or buy an xbox. Every game is Schroedingers exclusive.

Eonjay57m ago

The interpretation of his first comment is not to expect more than these 4 games. The interpretation of the second comment is not to expect any game to be exclusive to Xbox.

His communication is all over the place. The fact that we can't decipher what he means is what people are complaing about. He should simply say, games are coming to PlayStation but we don't have a set policy that applies to all titles. Sometimes less is more.

Crows9054m ago

Well seeing as most Xbox games aren't worth it then it's probably fine

-Foxtrot5h ago

There’s this small part of me which wants to think that the reason for Sony being so calm lately, especially after Microsoft’s showcase, is because they know this themselves, and they could know more than what’s being said publicly.

neomahi3h ago

But, Lego Horizon is on the Switch. Why is Nintendo the only comfortable one here. They're not even on PC

Extermin8or3_3h ago

Stupid take. The Lego game has been made by a Lego studio with advice on the IP from guerilla games. So part of the negotiations/requirements to make it happen will clearly have been done kind of multiplatform release.

Extermin8or3_3h ago

They definitely know more than is being said.

italiangamer2h ago

Sony gives them the PS5's development kit so they know exactly which studios are making games for their consoles, or at least they can make an estimate based on the number of kits requested.

People just loves to talk but in a couple of days this showcase will be already forgotten, and by the way 90% of the stuff shown is multiplatform.

truthBombs3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

It seems the idea is to have other platforms(PS and PC) offset the cost of game pass.

Xbox users get the games on game pass while others pay full price.

Gamepass seems to be Xbox's idea of "exclusive".

These guys are so inconsistent with their messaging. It's difficult to know exactly what they want to do with their games. I've stopped caring. I just focus on the games.

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Xbox No Longer Has Its Head In The Game

Microsoft & Xbox have shut down Arkane Austin and Tango Gameworks to lay off more workers, insinuating that they're not in the game anymore.

XiNatsuDragnel29d ago

They're headless for a long time because closing tango isn't exactly a good move

PapaBop28d ago

Ever since that cringe Kinect reveal they've never been the same. They used to make some amazing games and do great deals with third parties Early on in the 360 era they had games like Chromehounds and Shadowrun, both well ahead of their time. Now instead of nurturing their studios, they'd rather gaslight gamers and throw billions on pre existing studios. Not sure how Spencer is still in a job, I wouldn't trust him to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

Father__Merrin28d ago

We've said all along Spencer needs to go. I wish xbox went back to xbox only with new gears fable forza halo releases lots of third party releases

Those early rainbow 6 Vegas days and phantasy star universe are gone forever

S2Killinit28d ago

MS has its head in the game but the game they are playing is something different from what console gamers expect from a platform. MS’s end game has always been to use the xbox as a trojan horse.

XiNatsuDragnel28d ago

Lol that's funny well this plan they have isn't working homie

343_Guilty_Spark29d ago

Acquisitions always come with cuts

1Victor29d ago

“Acquisitions always come with cuts”

343 trillion points shield activated
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All damage reduced to 1 for 343 trillion turns.
MICROSOFT DEFENSE FORCE IS A GO

Tacoboto29d ago

Especially for Microsoft, when Booty pretty much said they didn't know how to handle that many studios.

Why even make the acquisition then.

-Foxtrot29d ago

Didn’t they make the swipe for Bethesda when Sony wanted like 6 months exclusiveness for Starfield

It’s like…chill, you got Rise of the Tomb Raider for a year.

romulus2329d ago

Do they always come with senseless cuts becasue that's exactly what cutting Tango was, senseless.

H929d ago

Everyone's acting now that game companies care about games and Xbox is committing the Ultimate betrayal, they are all like this and you have just been quiet about it for far too long

Nuclearmoon29d ago

I wonder if Microsoft do pull out of the console market that it might open the door for valve to relaunch the Steambox. Competition is good for the industry but Microsoft don't even seem to be trying anymore.

UltimateOwnage29d ago

Steam / Valve are one of the few truly pro-consumer bright spots in gaming right now. Thankfully.

Jingsing28d ago

From all the money Valve make from Steam they reinvest almost 0 into creating new AAA titles for the PC platform, Absolutely no giving nothing back in that regard. Wake up.

jwillj2k429d ago (Edited 29d ago )

“Your game has won some pretty significant awards and is a show piece for where we want to go in the future.”

1 hour later.

“We’re gonna have to let you go. You can’t cover our 100 billion dollar acquisition. Oh and take your awards too 👍🏾”

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Fallout 76 Players Have Nuked Phil Spencer in Response to Studio Closures

Fallout 76 players have dropped the big one on Phil Spencer in response to Xbox's closures of Arkane Austin and Tango Gameworks this week.