Microsoft Responds To 'Games With Gold' Not Being As Good As 'Playstation Plus'

Microsoft Responds To 'Games With Gold' Not Being As Good As 'Playstation Plus'

[Neonridr]

lol... Phil feels good about the first half of '14. So expect some earth shattering title like Halo: Reach or Gears of War 3 to be free.. :P

[pompombrum]

I'd take Gears of War 3. Still, they should try and find a way to release Shadowrun. That game was so ahead of it's time and is one of the most fun MP games I've ever played. They NEED to revive it and bring back that awesome experience.

[Neonridr]

lol, I am sure we would basically take anything at this point. I was merely poking fun. If they wanted to be competitive in that regards, then give away Halo 4 or GoW Judgement instead.

I mean look at PS+ giving away Bioshock Infinite for free. Metro Last Light too.

MS needs to step it up and not release games that are 5+ years old. Give gamers something that is actually within the past year or so..

[jmac53]

Are the servers still up for this game? That was a long time ago.

[Lowsnamebrand]

Disagree simply because shadowrun made a mochary of what previous shadowrun games were all about, thank god the original creators of the video games got the rights back, maybe one day they'll release an actually 3d open world game instead of top down shooters like shadowrun returns

[GameNameFame]

Good ol phil with his dodge, deflect, avoid and spin tactic.

Only pure fanboys would turn to him to listen to what they already know as PR.

[amiga-man]

M$ giving stuff away for free reminds me of this scene from ghost, Sony and PS+ are like Sam Wheat forcing them to give stuff away through gritted teeth lol

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

PS+ is just amazing value pure and simple

[FamilyGuy]

It's funny how he mentioned Brothers but ignored the big titles like Bioshock, Devil May Cry and Borderlands 2.

It is a different ball game for them though. They have to grab old titles that aren't selling anymore because they give the games away for keeps. PS+ can have MUCH newer games because grabbing them is a limited time offer and if you (for some unfortunate reason) don't resubscribe you lose them.

I think MS should completely copy Sonys route if they wish to compete. They need to make their games subscription bound so game makers are more comfortable about having their games on the list. I know if I was a dev I wouldn't want my game being given away forever without some really big bucks coming my way. Especially if my game was only a year old like a few of the PS+ games have been.

[ShinMaster]

Typical haters will call it "renting", but there's no good reason for me to stop the service in the first place.

http://i.imgur.com/tkRA0e6....

http://i.imgur.com/AVE7isO....

http://i.imgur.com/deAHsQI.... (great since year one)

I'll gladly trade $50 a year for $1000 worth of free content and discounts.
I have more games than time to play :D

[thegreatklemba]

@familyguy if you dont keep sub and lose it when you re sub you get every free game back you had before just to let you know and anyone that might have thought you lose them forever if you dont keep sub for good.
OT: Sure phil what every say ill believe it when i see it .I wish Microsoft could bring back the people that made the OG xbox cause i though it was great but just didnt have the mass appeal

[Cueil]

it's not hating to call it renting... it's renting a game if you don't keep it after the subscription period ends... GwG you keep the game even if you stop subscribing to XBLG... for a new Xbox 360 owner the deal is worth every penny

[Unspoken]

@FamilyGuy

How does requiring the gamer to pay Sony for a PS+ to play the free games guarantee the developer is seeing any extra money? Any idea what contracts are being made between the devs and either company, Sony or Microsoft?

Keeping the game for life, as long as you grab it during the download period, seems to be a much better deal for the gamer. If for some reason you take a break from Live and have the game on your console, you can still play it.

The question is, do you need a Live sub in order to access your download history in case you ever delete the game?

With PlayStation you are stuck paying the subscription fee to access any free PS+ game. Also, what happens if you don't have an internet connection to verify your PS+ sub? Is this the same type of DRM people were whining about with the XB1 and are now blind because it has a Sony label on the side?

[da_2pacalypse]

Gears 3 > GowJ. I get that you're trying to say they should give us newer stuff, but just about anyone will tell you the same thing about GowJ. It was terrible.

[FamilyGuy]

@ Unspoken

Say someone REALLY likes a game that they got through PS+ but they don't plan on resubscribing for some reason. In that instance they might decide to actually purchase the game they liked so much. If they got the game free and clear like through GwG they wouldn't ever buy a copy, they'd still have it so there would be no incentive to pay for it.

"Also, what happens if you don't have an internet connection to verify your PS+ sub?"

PS+ games have an expiration date. When you play a game the date is updated based on when your subscription is set to end. If you increase your subscription the date gets updated once you launch the game while connected to the internet. Once updated, that date remains valid whether you connect to the internet or not. It doesn't require some daily check in. If my sub end in August 2014 then I can play my PS+ games till aug 2014 without ever connecting to the internet or psn. It's funny to see people try to force a comparison with MSs notorious DRM policy at every chance they get though lol.

@ thegreatklemba

I'm well aware of PS+ policies and how the service works. I've been telling people the exact same thing you just said for a while now. Just reactivate it or go to your downloads list and download it again if you deleted it. As long as your sub is current you have access to everything you've ever gotten. In MY scenario I'm basing it off someone that doesn't plan on re-subscribing.

My overall point is that MS would be better off if they did what Sonys doing. Both gamers and devs would appreciate it more. Gamers for the newer/more recently released game titles and devs for the ability to still make a profit off their game through actual game purchases.

[P_Bomb]

@unspoken
I'd rather "rent" a game I like than "own" a game I don't like. There's no joy in me getting to keep stuff on GWG that I don't want in the first place. All I wound up getting that I actually wanted was Crackdown, and after I beat it in a week and orb-collected it out, that was it. I haven't touched Crackdown since. Why would I with my backlog?

For me It's about playing new games, not collecting digital dust. That's why I let my gold subscription expire last august and renewed plus for another year in October. GWG is getting better with titles like Sleeping Dogs, but again, I don't need to own it on 360 when I already platinumed it through PSPlus 9 months earlier. Ditto with Assassins Creed 2 and Dead Rising 2, *years* earlier. Letting me keep stuff I already own isnt much of a hook.

There's no offline DRM either with Plus. You can't at ALL compare this to XBone's early policies. PS Plus games have expiration dates, but they stack. Even on my PSP, which hasn't been online in months. My Tekken still works as does GTA Liberty City Stories. My free XBL Doritos Crash Course 2 however hasn't worked since I went Silver. I guess blindness is in the eye of the beholder.

[GravelerMagnitude9]

man, shadowrun is my favorite game of all time. i always had a katana and loved when you cut somebody in the back and they be like

"Im bleeeeeding ooooouuuuttt"

it was fun. i hate games that cares more of competitiveness than fun.

we need that shadowrun on ps4

[bennissimo]

XBL has superior functionality. I don't care about the expense and no longer game on a 360, so the fact that XBL doesn't supply me with free games doesn't matter at all.

I don't think MS has to feel insecure about XBL or games with gold. GWG is icing on an already awesome cake -- free games with PS+ make up for the fact that the PSN is shit compared to MS's online functionality.

[mananimal]

@ aibreeze

SHADOWRUN!! SHADOWRUN!! SHADOWRUN!!

Well said, best MP ive ever played ,the only MP shooter i play now....id say say id be pretty tempted to buy an Xbox One if a sequel was released. wouldnt change my gut wrenching feelings about a Corp like Microsoft, its too late for that but id would purchase XB1 for shadowrun, no doubt.

[Monster_Tard]

@FamilyGuy I don't know if that's entirely how Microsoft does it, they could be giving us some of the slightly newer games that they own the rights to, but they don't. Instead of giving away Halo reach or Halo 5, they give out Halo 3(not even ODST) instead. I believe they try to put as little money as possible in the deals they strike with the publishers of these games and most of the games they have given us have been games that have had a few sequels come out all ready, so basically the publishers are using them as advertisement and Microsoft may not be paying anything at all to give some of these away.

[FamilyGuy]

Well I know they're being cheap but the last part of what you said is an interesting thought. Giving out their old games for free as a form of advertisement. That's actually part of Sonys deal with PS+ and PS+ discount promotions, the publicity, but Sony pays them money on top of that.

I don't know why MS is being so stingy with the cash flow, they could make a lot of their fans happier if they up'd the ante with some current and therefore more relevant titles.

[P_Bomb]

@ bennissimo

That "superior functionality" cake is missing a few ingredients. For starters it won't let me compare achievements/games with my XB1 friends. When I log onto my 360, every XB1 game is compiled into one generic gamerscore with a tab I can't even click on. No idea who's playing what anymore. PSN however lets me compare PS3/PS4/Vita trophies and games on any system, in the same list. Even on my iPhone app. I don't feel as disconnected from my friends.

[wsoutlaw87]

this whole renting vs owning is so stupid to even be talking about. sony is saying if you subscribe to plus you can play online and play all these games at no additional cost. If you think thats a good deal, which most do, then you get it. obviously you cant pay for one month and get the instant game collection forever. Its a service, its not buying games so theres no point in discussing it. If you think its a good value then you get it. There's no reason to get rid of it, and even if you do, you probably beat the game already, and you're not going to buy the game just so you dont need to pay for plus. For most people the distinction between owning it and renting it makes no difference because they dont want to stop their plus sub.
MS and Sony have to pay money for the games on the service so the games they get are related to that more than anything. The only difference is that sony doesnt have to worry about people paying for only one month and grabbing the 20 great games they have available for less than 20$

[abzdine]

PSN+?? smh...
how can he compete with something he cant even quote correctly?

[Seafort]

@Lowsnamebrand You really have no idea what Shadowrun was do you?
The original on SNES and Megadrive was a isometric RPG which was based on the tabletop RPG.
I hope Shadowrun is never turned into another FPS like the one on PC and X360. It was pathetic and made a mockery of the franchise.
A bit like what EA did to Syndicate.

Shadowrun Returns is a strategy RPG with turn based combat and is true to the original and the tabletop game. It was not a top down shooter.

[sentury111]

Shadowrun on 360 was great

[snipes101]

Hey at least I get to keep the games if I cancel my gold account. I just feel like I'm borrowing the games with PS+. That's not really "free."

[Ashunderfire86]

The problem with Games with Gold is that free games for the 360 being release are 3 years(Fable 3)old, and older(Halo 3) compare to PS Plus games. The PS Plus games are free after 1 year, and even within 10 months(BioShock Infinite) or right at launch(Resogun). Xbox Live advantage over this is that the games are free forever with or without Gold subscription, but in order to get the free game you have to sign up anyway.

[kreate]

'in order to get the free game you have to sign up anyway'

lol

[UltraAtomic]

its true, but when sony first started ps+ there game line up wasn't really that good. microsoft kinda just started this (games with gold) so not bad, if you think about it.

[MRMagoo123]

@ultraatomic

The thing is "microsoft kinda just started this (games with gold) so not bad, if you think about it" doesnt cut it, every xbox fanboy on this site (im not saying that you are one) says MS pretty much has an infinite money cheat on, with allllllll the money MS has why do they give you games that cost $4 in the shop second hand? they cant use the excuse that they only just started doing it, they have PS plus as a reference for how to do it well.

[Larry L]

It's kinda funny how many people say "Plus didn't start off great at first either, so Game with Gold will get better just like Plus.". My memory may not be perfect, but I seem to remember Plus coming out hot right out of the gate, which is why I subscribed by month 2.....the only reason I didn't sub month 1 was because I already had WipeOut HD and the WipeOut HD Fury expansion. The 2nd PS3 game was LBP, which was like 7 or 8 months old. The PS1 games were like Destruction Derby and I know MedEvil since I had never played it before then, and FFV I think. One of the minis was like the best one, FieldRunners and Age of Zombies. I also got the Killzone 2 DLC and the Motorstorm Pacific Rift DLC for free. I recall good discounts right off the bat too. I think it was month 2 or 3 that had every PS1 FF for $2.50 each, which I bought every one to have them on my PSP (they now reside on my Vita).

I don't really think Plus started off that slow. ANd it continued to get even better at a very quick pace. So people should really stop using that as a defense for MS's unimpressive version of Plus.

[Jughead3416]

Yea, being able to play games like LBP2, Uncharted 3, Bioshock, Borderlands 2, etc. for free is well worth the subscription fee. Gold would be cool if not for PS+. Gold's games are too dated for anyone to care much. PS+ allows you to play Driveclub, Warframe, War Thunder, Resogun, Planetside 2, etc. at launch.

[Rainstorm81]

I remember when PS+ was scoffed at as a rental service......ive gotten so many games off of it its more than worth the price especially if you just picked up a PS system.

From Infamous 2,LBP2, the entire RE PS1 collection, countless PSN gems like Shank 2, PacMan, Galaga, and newer games like Bioshock Infinite or GotY stuff like RDR or Uncharted 3....PS+ has turned into a go to service for console gamers without question, if Sony can keep this up with the PS4 itll make XBL and Games with Gold look more laughable than it is.

Im loving Dont Starve and Resogun right now....cant wait for Drive Club and Secret Ponchos

[ShinMaster]

@ UtraAtomic

""when sony first started ps+ there game line up wasn't really that good""

Not true at all

http://i.imgur.com/deAHsQI....

PS Plus has been great since its first year^

[wsoutlaw87]

@ultra plus started of good as stated above but wasnt always good. Plus was new business for sony. XB LIVE is not new at all. They have been making revenue off of it for years so there is no reason the infancy of the concept to start slow. They just want too seem as if they match sony in features for as cheap as they can.

[Knushwood Butt]

@ Larry

PS+ started off pretty poorly in Japan, but it's been much better since about a year ago.

It's probably still not as good as it is in NA/EU, but I'm happy with it.

[LoveOfTheGame]

@Everyone listing "year one" games PS+ gave

Those are what you got YOUR first year, PS+ wasn't great starting out in 2010.

@LarryL
LBP was never given on PS+, and games were not getting good until about early 2012. The only decent ones before that were games 15+ yrs old, which I'm sad I missed out on(started early 2013).

@Shin Master
You're drunk, that was not PS+'s first year. The only decent games in PS+ first year were Sonic and Spyro.

[Eonjay]

The problem with "games with gold" is that you have to pay developers to have the content available to your subscribers. Xbox Live was intended to be a cash cow. It was never set up a service that paid anything out. PS+ is basically a discount club service where the sub fees are pooled together to get large volume licences from developers.

[Cueil]

I think you are mistaken... Sony does indeed fork over money for the games... as for discounts the XBLG discounts are sizable and for very good games... Tales of Vesperia is like 5 bucks right now

[_FantasmA_]

Gears 3 came out in Sept 2011, so it doesn't qualify to be free yet. Wait until 2018 at least.

[YodaCracker]

Sleeping Dogs came out in 2012 and it was free earlier this month. How do you explain that, sir?

[P_Bomb]

Uncharted 3 came out the *same time* as Gears 3 and has been free on PS Plus since E3 2013. It's up right now. Gears 3 should MORE than qualify. 2018 is halfway through the next gen!

[otherZinc]

Look, I don't give 1 S&*+ about cheap Indie Games, Free to play Games, or Old@ss games I've already played, when I pay $500 for a damn console!

However, I do care about the games for that $500 console to continue to rollout. Following: Forza 5, Ryse, Killer Instinct, & Dead Rising 3.....Phil is right! This 1st Quarter 2014 XBOX ONE:
Fable Legends
Plants vs Zombies
Kinect Sports Rivals
TitanFall
So yeah, that's a Quarter!

Having free old games is a cover-up for having no new next-gen games.

[Chevalier]

Fable Legends is not dated for the first quarter of 2014, you are getting confused with Fables Anniversary which is due February 4th, 2014. Kinect sports rivals is not coming out first quarter either. I work at an EB games and neither is even available for preorders, sorry to burst your bubble, but, if it's not listed by now it's NOT coming first quarter.

So your list is now corrected to the following

Plants vs. Zombies February 25th, 2014
Titanfall March 11th, 2014

Also 'old' free games of the caliber of Bioshock Infinite, Borderlands 2, Dragons Dogma Dark Arisen and Sleeping Dogs to name a few are excellent regardless of how you want to try to lessen the awesomeness that is PS Plus doesn't change the fact that Games with Gold pales in comparison. Funny how only the next gen matters now right? Guess not having exclusives on 360 over the last 3 years must have been painful. But fear not you now can play plants vs. zombies and Titanfall, you should be proud, it only cost $500.

[dwlwoolers]

@otherzink
buddy ur destined for disappointment, how can u say indies are cheap. Do urself a favor and explore the indie game scene. Seriously some our a blast! Ive had some really good times rocking indies on my psvita(admittedly I was desperate for games) I now consider indies some of my top gaming choices. And
My vita is easily my 2 favorite console ever. Please from a gamer to another gamer, dont count out indies

[xtremeimport]

Yeah..

Games with gold doesn't even touch Ps+
If you have it, you know its amazing. If you dont...you probably talk shit because you want it.

anyone who complains about the discounts and free games as being a "well you still have to pay $50 for it and the free games arent even yours."

thats $10 less than xbl and within the first month you actually make that back. Ps+ is an investment that actually pays off.
borderlands 2, bioshock:infinite, DMC, grid2, uncharted, xcom. and thats just a few.

[H0RSE]

Of all the games released with GWG, there's a bunch I haven't played, and not just arcade titles. Many argue that the games they offer are "old" or "poor quality," like only new games are worth playing. The fact is, the core audience is likely to have played all the big releases they were interested in, regardless of their age or budget.

I don't care how old the games are if they are AAA releases or arcade titles - I care that they offer me games I actually want to play, that I haven't experienced yet, and they have offered a quite a bunch that meet those requirements, and I'm not rushed to play them, since they are mine to keep.

Would it be nice if every single game offered was one that I was really interested in? Yes, but my mindset is, they're free games and I'm not going to complain or demand that they offer me better free stuff - they don't have to offer me anything. I have a gamefly account, which is essentially what PS+ has with it's games, so I'm not interested in a format like that. I like getting games I can keep and play without a subscription, so I can rent any game I want with Gamefly, while building a collection of games to play on my 360, and later,my X1.

[yesmynameissumo]

That's "shattering"? Granted, PS+ had shit titles it's first 8-10 months, but that has turned around in a big way. Give MS time (and assume they are willing to do it) and Games for Gold should step it up too.

[dedicatedtogamers]

There is nothing - nothing at all - bad about PS+ encouraging Gold to raise its level of quality content. And if we're comparing the free GwG to PS+, the first year of PS+ was pretty sparse, too. It's only fair to let GwG a chance to get rolling with its own set of free games.

That said, I think the big advantage PS+ has over GwG is that Sony is able to offer discounts, not just free games. Do Gold members get discounts on games (even brand-new games) just because they're Gold members? Genuine question. That would be the next step. Additionally, Sony has more platforms and a bigger back-catalog. I've gotten PS3, Vita, PSP, PSN, and PS1 games for free or with a big discount with PS+. If you've bought into the "Sony ecosystem" and you own multiple Sony platforms, there's a ton of games that you get for free. Right now, GwG is only offering free "retail" (although they're digital) 360 games (? Again, genuine question).

EDIT: Anyone know the answer to my two questions? Do Gold members also get discounts for being Gold? And are their XBLA games or other non-retail games being offered by GwG?

[GarrusVakarian]

"There is nothing - nothing at all - bad about PS+ encouraging Gold to raise its level of quality content"

Yep, it's win win, PS users carry on getting great value, Xbox users get better and better offerings due to MS wanting to compete with PS plus.

I don't think non-PS3 owners understand just how great PS plus is, the moment you go to the PS store and see the 'instant game collection' section it's like... http://memecrunch.com/meme/...

[Neonridr]

I can't begin to fully appreciate PS+ yet as I am only a PS4 owner so I am missing out on the PS3 and Vita games.

That being said, Resogun, Contrast, Don't Starve and Outlast isn't too bad of a start either.

Ultimately neither of these companies are obligated to give us anything for free, so the fact that Sony (and even MS - though less generous) is giving us these games speaks volumes of the company.

[il-JumperMT]

I'm PS3 + PS Vita + PS4 Owner.

I get free games on 3 platforms with 1 PS Plus Subcription

I actually have too much games to play!

[beerzombie]

Could bad if gamers don't buy games because of the great service. This could hurt small developers trying earn money selling games.

[Arkardo]

@il-JumperMt

Im actually on the same boat as you! I have vita-ps3-ps4 and i can't play everything they throw at me!

It's amazing at least i download every game and cancel it so it stays in my downloads list ... pheeewww

[GarrusVakarian]

@jumpman

" xbox live is still the better server and infrastructure for online gaming"

I used Xbox live for years, and while i haven't used PSN as long as i have XBL, ive never had any problems with either. Each service has been exactly the same for me when it comes to multiplayer.....not so sure why everyone always says xbox live is "better".

[JohnnyTower]

Ive never had a discount for being a member, but they do have monthly deals on XBL. Their GwG offerings have ranged from XBL games to full retail games. But the retail games are usually dusted off oldies that people have played up and down.
Im no hater, but it is what it is....
I hope that they can do the same with X1 in the near future as well because their GwG is severely lacking.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Thank for for the answer to both of my questions.

So you get deals, but it's not like "15% off this game, but 30% off the same game if you're Gold", correct?

[JohnnyTower]

@dedicated
Yep, that's about right. Same discount whether you are a Gold Member or not.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

No dude the Xbox deals are terrible!!! it will be like save 50% on some old useless trash!!!

****Best decision I made was to keep my PS3 around, the past two months have been awesome! GRID 2, Borderlands 2, Devil May Cry, and Bio shock Infinite!

[Bzone24]

Must be that you haven't taken advantage of them then. Xbox has deals every week that are exclusive to Xbox Live Gold members.

[Cueil]

Clearly you have no idea wtf is going on in the marketplace...

[user9597082]

Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am) but didn't ps + only offer discounts and avatars at first?

[GryestOfBluSkies]

it offered games too. wipeout hd was one of the first games on ps+

[Jeebus]

They added a handful of other features, and did some (pretty average and forgettable) games for free.

But honestly, after the PSN downtime they struck with a vengeance with plus.

[user9597082]

Ok. I just remember initially not seeing any point in the service when it started with ps3 online being free.

[Rainstorm81]

Heres the first year offerings of PS+ remember it started after their 2012 E3 presser.

http://cdn2-www.playstation...

While it did offer discounts and avatars Infamous 2 and LBP 2 was there day 1....the first three columns are just June 2012!!

Actually looking at this list Im glad i got PS+ day 1 i can always go back and redownload any of these games.....I said it before and ill say it again PS+ is Sony's ace in the hole, once it gets mainstream popularity of whats offered skys the limit

[Volkama]

Yes, gold also gets sales on games. Don't know if they compare to the PSN discounts or not, haven't really done any comparisons.

Microsoft's "problem" with gold is they're selling this big behind the scenes infrastructure, and benefits to that are nowhere near as tangible as Sony's instant game collection.

So now Microsoft have to offer games on top of what they had. It really is probably the single best example I can think of to show competition can lead to nice things.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

The first thing I noticed years ago on the 360. Was that all the games that were 400 points slowly vanished. Now everything is 800 minimum and even mediocre games they're asking $15 for now.

[Gozer]

They run discounts on games for gold members pretty much weekly.Here is a link to this weeks deals just as proof.
http://majornelson.com/2014...

This past GWG was ok, Sleeping Dogs and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. Both good games.

[BoriboyShoGUN]

Yeah Gozer thats now, after PS+ has been wiping the floor with them for a while now. If they keep offering games of that value good on them its about time. Because the previous games were just embarrassing and made Xbox look even worse.

[il-JumperMT]

Both Sleeping Dogs and Lara Croft the Guardain of Light have been on PS Plus nearly a year ago

[zerog]

Sleeping dogs has already been free on plus a while back, my brother downloaded it.

[SonyAddict]

Dude I played guardian of light a long long time ago on PS plus!.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

That it has been on PS+ before doesn't make it a bad thing for GWG now. The games don't instantly become less fun people.

[jacksons98]

The first year of PS+ was valued at around $1800, not "sparse" at all
http://www.gamerevolution.c...

[Mystogan]

Gold members also get discounts. On both DLC and Games. And also movies.

[MRMagoo123]

Like i said above tho, surely with MS' infinite cash as xbox fanboys say MS has, they could buy any games at all to give away for free, i mean they basically bought everyone a copy of fifa for the xbone, yet they cant afford any games that arent pretty much retro now to give away on gold ?? seems odd to me.

[JasonKCK]

"Anyone know the answer to my two questions? Do Gold members also get discounts for being Gold?"

Yes

[ion53]

PS+ also gives you discounts on games and stuff....

[JasonKCK]

"Do Gold members also get discounts for being Gold?"

Keyword in that is "also" so stop being defensive. His question was about Live, not PSN.

[Mikelarry]

Cool hopefully they can stop offering the really, REALLY old games (crackdown i mean are you serious, although it was a good game back in its day) ill go out on a limb and say i am not alone in thinking noone ever looks forward to the games with gold offering.

[SpiralTear]

You're not. Some newer titles for Games with Gold would be fantastic, especially if they're exclusives.

[TheoreticalParticle]

I look forward to it, I just haven't ever really been all that thrilled by it. Some of the XBLA games have been decent time killers, though.

[Kingthrash360]

yeah and the felt good about halo 3 and ac2...smh they might give out fable 2 this year.

[Mikelarry]

fable two now your just reaching.. take kameo or nothing for you :)

@ below: i wasn't talking about the quality of the game more about how old the game was side note i really enjoyed Kameo

[GusBricker]

Bite your tongue! Kameo rocks!

[snookiegamer]

Are there any free games offered to Xbox One owners too, or just Xbox 360?

*Edit

Instead of hitting the disagree, it would be more helpful if you could just answer the question?

So, I take it that's a No then?

[Volkama]

Nothing yet. Supposedly it will be extended to the One in some form during 2014.

By "in some form" I expect they mean "technically rentals, inline with Sony".

[snookiegamer]

Thank You Volkama....

I only ask because MS need 360 owners to migrate to Xbox One, and gain some new customers too...so one would think that Xbox One Games With Gold would be the focus. If it's happening this year, then that's a good thing :)

[WeAreLegion]

Major Nelson just released a video response:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[djplonker]

ps plus February

bioshock infinite

metro last light

outlast

lbp karting

dynasty warriors next

Good luck trying to keep up ms all this for less than a month of gold...

[SpideySpeakz]

Damn, does are some very good deals.

[MysticStrummer]

Nice. I should have my new TV before the Superbowl, and a PS4 as soon after that as possible. I'll be playing Bioshock, Metro, Outlast, and maybe even LBP Karting from that list. That's some serious value there. MS will have to step it up in a major way to compete with PS+.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

Those are really good deals, but i'm also really happy with this months GWG games; Sleeping dogs and Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light. Didn't have any of those and really wanted to play them sometimes.

[FunAndGun]

We actually got both those titles from Plus as well. Guardian of Light is pretty good and much better if you play with a co-op partner.

[NoLongerHereCBA]

Why in the hell do I get disagrees? Stupid Sony fan boys should stop disagreeing whenever someone says something positive that is related to MS/Xbox. This is ridiculous.

I really wanted to play sleeping dogs sometime and the Lara Croft game is something I know my girlfriend will also enjoy.

[FunAndGun]

Idk, I agreed with you btw.

[BabyTownFrolics]

If you didn't want to get raped you should not have dressed so sexy

[JasonKCK]

1: the free games on Live and PSN are not free because a subscription is required.

2: Xbox Live members do actually get to keep the games even after they stop paying for Live.

3: the games on Live are very old.

4: Games on PSN are much newer and there are a lot more, but you do not get to keep them.

5: Steam has more free games than both of these services combined, and it's free.

[MASTER_RAIDEN]

one of the things ive always found surprising about ps+ is the fact that they do indeed hand out some pretty hot titles free of charge to plus members. i thought microsoft would folow a similar path with the xbox one but the last i heard of it, they were giving away assassins creed 2 or something.

doesnt seem like MS is too focused on bringing high quality content to gaming with gold. i mean i would seriously guess a game like crackdown would have a few thousand downloads at most.

[maniacmayhem]

Sleeping Dogs was a good start but yea they need to step it up. I almost fell out my chair when PS+ offered Kingdoms of Amular, that game is rock solid.

Those are the types of games MS needs to offer with Gold. I think last month was some Arcade Contra-type title...wtf? It was horrible.

Granted that GwG JUST started but still, bring on some way better games.

[DigitalRaptor]

Indeed Sleeping Dogs was good, but Microsoft CAN afford to cut these deals for more recent games that perhaps their userbase hasn't played.

So what they need to do is offer new games as well as recent games as well as old games if they want GwG to be anything of worth. Offering Resogun and Contrast and DriveClub and Outlast at their launches is fantastic.

[Necro_559]

Ill tell you why GWG isnt as good.......because you actually get to keep them. Derp....... PS+ is a netflix style rental service without the streaming.

[djplonker]

Well since you need ps plus for online play on ps4 I dont care!

Rentals have to be taken back as long as I have ps plus (no reason not to) I can access all my games.

What would you prefer keeping one old or arcade game or the games I listed above?

[jacksons98]

For $50 year I'll be a subscriber for life. I'm already paid up until 2017

[Aceman18]

same here Jan 2017, if they run another sale where the cards are $30 i can snatch up 2-3 more and extend it further.

[LeCreuset]

Yeah. That is why GWG isn't as good. If you think that's somehow an advantage for MS you are mistaken. For one, Plus is a very enticing service to keep. When I re-up my Plus subscription, the thought doesn't even cross my mind that I need to do it to be able to play the games I got from the IGC. When I re-up that sub, I'm thinking about the future IGC games I'm going to get, the discounts I'm going to get, and other services. Keeping my games doesn't even enter the equation. Then you have to factor in value. If you had a PS+ type service offering you an Xbox One so long as you are a member, and a GWG type service offering you a free original Xbox to keep, which would you choose? Are you going to pass up that XB1 which would have cost you $500 because someone is offering you a free original Xbox you would have never come out of your pocket to pay for anyway?

[XiSasukeUchiha]

good to know!

[from the beach]

Both services have advantages, GWG is off to a good start though - prompted me to replay Gears for the first time in ages and it's still. so. awesome.

And I think it's funny there's a GWG Team.

[Immorals]

Gears has aged really well, not many launch era games can say the same!

[SynestheticRoar]

What happen to gold they use to be the best? LOL

[Immorals]

Am I the only one that thinks both ps+ and gwg are bad for the industry? Giving away games is not good with developers, especially with ps+ giving away games that are still selling. I like free stuff as much as the next person, but I can't help but feel it's a bad idea..

[Twilightx7]

I'm sure the publishers get comparable compensation from Sony/Microsoft - it's really not that much different than Steam sales, you end up selling for cheaper, but at a much higher volume.

[Immorals]

Yes but with PC, you don't really have a used game industry.

[Twilightx7]

Very true, but hurting the used games industry only hurts companies like GameStop. It could be argued that GameStop is still necessary for the industry in its current state, but PS+ and GWG don't hurt the publisher nearly as much.

[FunAndGun]

I don't know, the devs still get compensation plus the exposure.

I would have never played Don't Starve if it wasn't for Plus. Now I have already decided to buy the incoming DLC because I have been addicted to the game.

Also, if there is ever a sequel, I will buy it without question.

[LeCreuset]

Yes you are. I'm going to try to put this in a way that isn't insulting. You need to start putting your interests as a consumer above some perception you have of a company's interests. That shouldn't even concern you, but either way you can chillax. I can assure you that they have it covered. Companies are being compensated, both monetarily and in publicity. Do you think it's a coincidence a game like BF3 drops on PS+ right before the fourth game, which EA is hoping will dethrone the more popular COD?

[Jdoki]

If it was bad for the industry no publisher would offer the games to Sony.

Here's a few ways I could see Sony giving incentives to publishers in return for free games...
- Publisher makes money off DLC offered alongside the 'free' game
- A monetary kickback for allowing Sony to offer the game
- Publisher earns a percentage of the revenue made from PSN+ subs during the period the game is offered
- Free and more prominent advertising for another of the publishers titles on PSN+ (sold at full price)
- Maybe even a reduction in licensing fees for a future new release

There's loads of ways everyone can benefit.

It seems to be win / win in general. I'm sure the publishers have extremely accurate data for when a title is starting to lose sales, and when it is optimum to offer the game for free on PSN+.

Also, there's the opportunity sales... Someone may not have a PSN+ account but see their buddy playing a 'free' game. They may then either subscribe, or buy the game on budget release.

[Godmars290]

That, means nothing. He literally said noting in regards to the question.

[KillerPwned]

I think this is an article that can prove that companies aren't really out to get each other. But to learn from one another to making themselves better and to give more to the consumer for their money. Console wars is BS marketing to get you to buy stuff and argue over pointless things.

I really see Xbox taking in PS+ for an example as the service they are and making their own GwG better. Think about a lot of the innovative things different consoles have now. Past generations spanning through all different kinds of companies help fuel these ideas.

[LeCreuset]

Console wars aren't BS marketing. This, too, is part of the console war. Console wars are what people make of them. They can raise the standard. They can lower the standard. Consumers make a console war productive to the consumer when they don't just effectively become unpaid mouthpieces for a gaming company who will agree with that company no matter what. If something on the competing product makes me jealous, I'm going to say, "Bring that over here." If enough things on the competing product make me jealous, I'm going to buy that product. Either way, that's sending a message to the company I'm currently patronizing to up their game.

[BX81]

I prefer Xbox live to psn but psn craps on Xbox live when it comes to free games. Most of the free psn games I've finished but they are better games that are offered. Props to Sony for that.

[MAULxx]

Brothers, really? Brothers, DMC & Bioshock Infinite & that's just this month. MS isn't ever going to match anything unless there's piles of money they can gain by doing it.
It's just funny that he only mentioned Brothers.

[Belking]

One is a rental service and the other actually gets free games you can keep forever. I'll go with the latter. IMO xbl is still the best service. Without that there would be no psn or ps plus. Fact. Remember sony is the one that said no one wants to play online....lol

[FunAndGun]

So could we say without Playstation there would be no Xbox?

[Jdoki]

That's your preference Belking, but seems a bit short sighted.

You subscribe to Gold and get old games you are liklely to have played, but you can keep em

Or

You subscribe to PSN+ and get nearly news games that are yours for the duration of your subscription.

Considering how many Xbox owners have been shouting for years that they were Day 1 Gold subscribers and intend to keep subscribing forever as the service is so good - how is that really different from 'owning' the game.

I subscribed to PSN+ long before the free games were offered. This is just an awesome perk. And if I decide to unsubscribe (not likely) I'll ensure I'm done playing the games. Also, the games are not 'gone' they reappear if you later resubscribe.

[GarrusVakarian]

Omg......your delusion knows no bounds. PS plus BLOWS games with gold out of the water. Don't even try to fool yourself into thinking games with gold is better.

I'd rather rent Bioshock Infinite and Metro Last light than keep Halo 3 and Rainbow Six Vegas..........Do you not see how stupid your comment sounds when comparing such games?

And neither games are free, if you don't pay for gold or plus, you don't get any games, so don't act like MS is doing any favours with those old as dirt games.

" IMO xbl is still the best service. "

It's really not. As a user of both, i can tell that for a fact. You hardly get ANYTHING for your sub on XBL, the odd demo every now and again....the "privileged" to join parties and play online......when i first bought PS plus earlier this year i was blown away by the games you get for your sub.

I know you are incredibly biased and ignorant....but there's no way you actually believe that games with gold is the better service....there's just no way.

[DigitalRaptor]

Only a person with delusions of grandeur doesn't think PS+ offers better value.

In YOUR opinion, XBL is the best service. In REALITY, PSN has much improved and now offers features that are leaps and bounds better than XBL, for gaming of all things. And your claim that without XBL there would be no PSN or PS+....

*EPIC FACEPALM*

PSN was established in July 2001 on PS2. Xbox Live launched in November 2002. Over 1 year later.

and there was nothing like PS+ before it, and there still isn't anything that matches it, not Games with Gold (giving you old games that you're already played or own), not anything. The closest thing of comparable value is Steam and its many sales - but that is completely different.

You could better say that without Sony or Nintendo, there would be no Xbox.

Asking you to do your research and use logic is a fruitless venture.

[corvusmd]

All he'd have to say if he wanted to be a jerk is "we actually upgraded our network, not just charging for the same crap"

[djplonker]

You clearly havent been on psn in awhile it just as good if not better than xbl!

[Skankinruby]

Please enlighten the rest of us ignorant people. Why is Xbox live better than ps plus? Im dying to know lol

[DigitalRaptor]

Awww corvusmd - your diatribe is cute. Because you make delusional claims and don't actually EVER back them up with facts or logic.

Keep trying champ.

@ Skankinruby

He can't justify anything - in fact Xbox fanboys can no longer provide any validity to their claims that PSN is a turd and XBL is better. They try and laugh and claim to that to downplay the fact that PSN and XBL are level pegging, with both edging each other out in certain regards (with Sony having the better GAMING features).

[Flames76]

Xbox Live is better than Playstation plus with Xbox Live the free games are yours and any other content you get.With Playstation plus its only yours if you keep paying sony a monthly fee to play it

[thebudgetgamer]

For me those games are just icing on the cake, within the first three moths the money I save on discounts by far makes up the cost of the subsription.

[FunAndGun]

Well, considering I have had Plus since day one and plan on having Plus through the console life of PS4, that fact doesn't change anything for me.

I would prefer to get many more and current games to play with my rentals. I have probably 150+ games from my Plus subscription and I can still play them all.

Besides, how often are you going to go back and play the majority of the titles we both get; rental or to keep?

[jacksons98]

Playstation Plus first year benefit $1800 in value.. Xbox value... "here is a free game you could buy at Gamestop for $4"

[JasonKCK]

That $1800 figment of your imagination is not yours to keep.

[heisenberguk]

Yes we're WELL aware how ps plus works thanks, that's why we have it!

[Farmassy]

I just have to say that Shadowrun would be a great games with gold game. If you haven't played it you should definitely give it a try. It is one of my favorite FPS ever made. Just when you think you have figured everything out, you realize that there is even more that you can do (gust gliding, double teleporting). I sold my Xbox 360 when I got my X1 and my only regret is that I can't play shadowrun anymore. What a great game. It takes skill to be good at that.

If it went to games with gold and became popular, it would be great to get a second one.

[Letthewookiewin]

I don't know why they even bother.

[LogicStomper]

Who's side are you on? Microsoft, Sony or the consumers?

[cell989]

Phill is the only guy I dont dislike at Microsoft, at least he doesnt come off as an arrogant prick like the rest

[LeCreuset]

Listen. It's really simple. It has nothing to do with GWG just starting. Live Gold has been around longer than PS+. The monetary infrastructure is already there for Gold. The free games you got with PS+ in the beginning are lacking compared to what you get with the IGC now, not because they were just starting up (though at least in their case they didn't already have a pool of money from previous years' subs), but because Sony didn't really dive head first onto this IGC thing until after the PSN hack. People love to bring up that hack, without mentioning the steps Sony took to not only correct it, but make up for it. The IGC you see now is one of those steps.

MS needs to change their business model. Trying to trump PS+ by offering free games doesn't work because free games cost MS more to provide, so they can only give an okay title once in a blue moon and a bunch of stuff no one wants. The selling point is that you get to keep it—that stuff that you don't want. They need to just adopt the PS+ model, which will allow them to offer relevant content on a consistent basis. Where's the harm? People are going to make Xbox 180 jokes? That already happens, so this is the perfect time to do it.

[FanboyKilla]

Lol maybe sony should stop giving away free shi!. Might help them avoid bankruptcy. Dont stop though, i love free shi!. And i dont care if you go bankrupt. Xbox your free games are shi!, they deserve to be free, hell i dont even want them smh.

[LogicStomper]

That username doesn't suit you.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

And not a single Xbox One XBL gold game. While I've already gotten 3 from Sony for the PS4. I guess you can call KI, one character a "free" XB1 game but that is pushing it. MS are just tight asses when it comes to giving things away. They love their dimes and nickels.

[zerog]

No matter which console you have who would buy one of these services for just a month or two? Honestly who's going to just cancel their subscription? Do you plan to cancel gold after you get your $8 in free games? I doubt it, if that was the case just go to gamestop and buy them used it would still be cheaper then a year of gold for the games it offers. Not to mention anything you buy on plus at a discount you get to keep forever regardless if you keep your subscription, its only the free games you wont be able to access without it. And for those fanboys saying plus is just the netflix of gaming, no that's called playstation now and coming this summer. Just one more thing xbl wont have.

[heisenberguk]

"That's awesome phil, cheers" What are they thanking him for? hahaha

[Popoffboy187718]

XBOX LIVE IS MYSPACE>PSN IS FACEBOOK. NOBODY KNEW FACEBOOK WAS GOING TO OVER TAKE MYSPACE WHEN MYSPACE WAS popular !!!!

[LogicStomper]

Firstly, online services and social media sites are not the same. So Xbox Live is not My Space and PSN is not Facebook.

Secondly, what difference does it make if one has just overtaken the other?

Thridly, you either need to fix your keyboard or buy a new one.

[TheUndertaker85]

MySpace and Facebook also didn't start off as the entities they are now. Just saying.

Facebook wasn't originally created to be a gateway to gaming but here we are.

MySpace also gained its presence due to the many ways you used to be able to customize your profile that other social sites didn't offer. This isn't necessarily the case now.

PSN and XBL both could very well become the next Facebook or MySpace for gamers. Many aspects of social networking are already there with both even from messaging, friends lists, trophies/achievements, video messaging, sharing, and so on.

[LogicStomper]

"Facebook wasn't originally created to be a gateway to gaming but here we are. "

Facebook is a social network site.
PSN is a online gaming service.

Sony may be implementing social networking services into PSN but PSN is not a social network site. That was the first point I was driving.

[2pacalypsenow]

games everyone with an xbox 360 played 2-3 years ago..

[teflontactics]

So I take it "feel good about the first half of '14" means "we know we suck at giving good deals, we'll do a little better so you don't bitch as much"?

I doubt Microsoft has the will or the means to do better than PlayStation Plus at this point, even their new operating systems suck and that's their flagship product.

[static360]

technically they do have the means to do so they just don't. They got more money than sony regardless of the new OS they just don't want to spend the money doing so.

[spike]

I had Playstation plus for about 5 months now. I been wondering can I delete a game and re download it later. I am running out of space on my hard drive.

[Brazz]

yup. you can. but you can only download and play whit valid PS+.
no PS+ > you lose all the games.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

you don't loose the games. You loose the right to play them. If you buy a subscription again, you have access to your pre downloaded games again ^^

[Brazz]

yup sir.

You lose the rights of playing, but a new PS+ make yu able to play all games you have downloaded in the past.

[sevilha82]

Yes you can my good man,it just stays in your tranfers,you can re downloud it when ever you want.

[DualWielding]

PS owners really need Games with Gold to step up its game... Im concerned we won't get the same quality of games on the PS4 we did on the PS3 because most people would be paying primarily to play online and games won't be necessary to convince people to subscribe... but I know Sony is determinate not to be beaten so as long as Microsoft puts on the pressure Sony will do whatever is necessary to one up them (but no more, which is why it is necessary for Microsoft to put as much pressure as possible)

[Brazz]

"Agree Brothers is a good PSN+ give"

Brothers is a minor game in PS+! PS+ got things like DMC, bioshock: infinity, borderlands 2, dragon's dogma: dark arisen, uncharted 3 and tons of other amazing games!

Phill is making thing look "a fair competition" when he speak only about brothers, but the fact is... PS+ is kicking games whit gold ass! it's a massacre and right now Ps+ is much better than games whit gold, there is no competition here...

[vakarian75]

If I ever decide not to pay to xbox live I still get to keep the games cant do that with Ps plus.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

good thing is that PS+ is soooooo good and addictive you will never think about canceling the subscription while I canceled my Gold sub because I don't play games online and don't use chat features on the X360 ^^

[blackmanone]

I haven't cared for many of MS decisions these last few years, but it's a new service. Let's givethem some time to figure things out.

[daedra]

Bioshock infinite and dbz ultimate tenkaichi!!, I cant think of any right now

[sevilha82]

Here´s a crazy idea!!!

How about they start adding games that released just a few months ago instead of several years.

You know like the ones in plus.

one of the many reasons i decided to stop paying for live was the lack of free games and exclusive content and now that it´s there it´s pointless because the offers are god damm awfull.

Even if offering their cheap and gready.

Good ol´micro$oft.

[dwlwoolers]

Now im getting tired of fanboys hating on psn. How is XBL so much better stability wise huh wheres the proof. I have put countless hours online on both systems and XBL isnt so great compared to PSN. Ps+ is the better service period. I have so many friends complain about gold bieng a poor sevice. Games people haven't even heard of. They games that are old and uninteresting. Ps+ meanwhile is giving discounts and free games across all 3 of its systems, and dang good ones
So many that its borderline outrageous. Microsoft is so greedy that it amazes me that so many put up with them. On paper no bias playstation has moret o offer than Microsoft or Nintendo. Ps+, Virtual Reality incoming, Playstation Now incoming, cheaper system, more powerful, easier to develop on, friendlier to developers, PS Vita sidekick (kills WiiU gamepad at its own game), so many more games to offer (ps1, ps2, psn games, minies, psp games, indies, ps vita games, ps3, ps4, ps mobile games, all will be available on psNOW for tablets, smartphones, Tv, computers, ps vitas, ps3s, and ps4s. I dont understand what peoples issue is with getting more bang for ur buck, fanboys aside. I loved the 1st xbox but started realizing playstation is where it is when they came out with ps3 slim. Comeon people, I thought we were gamers? Why get a system with less to offer with more expense?

[sevilha82]

I´ve been discussing that exat topic for year now...

I´ve used live for nearly 4 years and once plus apeared and was able to compare the services it became clear that plus was a very strong and efficient contender.

Xbox live is overrated,the online stability is on par with the one´s of Sony and the value/offering as blown live to the Moon.

as a user of both platforms,Fanboys ear this,grow up and realise that both sistems have advantages and disavantages,and at this moment Sony is winning.

Get over it.

[iliimaster]

idk tho because at this rate it cant be sustainable releasing these good of games and for the ps4 aswell atleast i wouldnt think so but i am enjoying the ride ;D

[strigoi814]

who needs a gold if you have the plus??

[Mr_Luke]

However they put it, PS+ >>> GWG. I don't see a single game that makes me say "good, i could renew my gold". And i see about all the games that make me say "PS+ i <3 you".
And about the fact that PS+ is a sort of rental service:
1) Who cares, i rent ALL the games for 1 year. I have time to finish them.
2) The quality is very high, i don't get old games i finished years ago, i get completely new ones (sometimes) or recent enough (all the time).
3) I get HUGE discounts on games i wouldn't buy because too expensive otherwise. And i keep them even without PS+. And about add-ons too.
4) I correct point 1), i don't have time to finish them, they're too many, for my PSVita, PS3 and PS4. Does GWG give something for XboxOne for free? Not talking about future releases or demos or tech demos.

And about the tweet of Phil: yes, Brothers is a good giving but... Borderlands 2, Bioshock Infinite, Outlast, and all the new ones (and old ones) are good too, very good i'd say.

[S2Killinit]

PS3 got bioshock infinite for free. thats really something, i gotta say

[MasterCornholio]

Plus Metro Last Light.

Seriously Microsoft has more money than Sony but they refuse to improve their Games with Gold program with better titles.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

it's not free but it's the best and cheapest game rental service for gamers without a doubt :3

[neomahi]

Or, you could surrender your fanboyism and get a PS3 and PlayStation Plus and enjoy the best of both worlds. This is clearly the case with this Tweet. Its actually surprising to see Microsoft acknowledge the success of the competition and they are definitely taking notes of what Sony and Nintendo do.

Gamers are watching what the PlayStation Community is doing both in its fans, services, and games and nowgamers want it. After eight years of following the crowd and pop-culture because it was popular, gamers are finally seeing what they'd missed out on over the years. PlayStation fans knew what they had and what they were invested in no matter what the popular crowd thought. PSN hacked, slow sales, and a higher price point (I still don't regret paying to this day) but both gamers and Sony endured and their reward was well worth it.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Its like this because Microsoft have never been-- because they don't know how to be-- innovative. They've always watched what everyone else has done and then followed right along. Every time. Don't expect things like this. When all you can do is follow a given pattern rather than develop your own, you're a social retard. Microsoft has a knack for marketing well-- which is where Sony has been failing in the past-- but Sony has always had a knack for seeking out great talent and talking with them and giving them useful creative feedback (which if you watch the Gears of War: Limited Collectors Edition Bonus Disc, you'll find Microsoft knows nothing of gaming and is all business and practically tried to neuter Epic Games. Yes! The chainsaw lancer and extreme gore just about never made it until Epic Games proved Microsoft wrong at E3. Then Microsoft decided to listen. What they were betting on most nearly was their downfall because Micr$haft thought they knew better. Now, their gaming division is run by Julie Green who was over Windows and knows nothing of gaming and that guy from Nokia. Microsoft will always be ten steps behind and have never been #1 in any console generation.

Bottom line, if you want greatness, you've gotta invest in. Microsoft aren't the only ones that manufacture hardware contractually. There's a much bigger world than Xbox 360 and Halo. The Last of Us, Uncharted, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Portal, League of Legends, StarCraft and so many other great console experiences like Beyond: Two Souls exist. You've just got to take off the blinders to recognize and then pick up and play it. That's the real world, sir. Phil Spencer was psyched to have Ted Price show up. Microsoft finally gets a taste of just how good Sony really is with Sunset Overdrive but will long for Songs eyes and Guerrilla, BIGBig, Media Molecule, Naughty Dog, and Sucker Punch and likely miss out on Quantico Dream because its not FPS games. Now they know better. Microsoft aren't interested in building a community by building their first party family. They are more interested in acquiring digital content instead and its going to hurt them in the long run. They should have been expanding with the original Xbox.

So, bottom line. If you want the experience you seek, you're gonna have to invest in it.

[Jack_Reacher]

Really. So xbots finally think they found a valid reason to dis ps+. What a joke. Ms yet again trying to copy and fail. That Crap about you rent we own. Most the games I have had on ps+ I would have sold on anyway. Dmc for instance. Played finished deleted. You also need to remember that for xbox you have no choice but to pay to play on live. Anyone without a ps4 can still multi play and not pay the sub on psn.

And live is no better than psn. That comment is a joke. I want to see some real proof xbots not your deluded ramblings.

You Go play your ok old games. I cannot wait till next week to pick up all those games to RENT for as long as I pay. As with many I will keep paying for the quality. Because I chose not because I'm forced.

[SpadeX]

I thought MS will stop this program after releasing Xbox One...? Glad they're continuing with it.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

Though I think PS+ is way beyond better I think it is good to continue the service. I even expected that despite being bashed for saying it XD
At least X guys get some cheap old games. Better than nothing at all. And there is chance of improvement!
They could just do the same instead (game rental subscription) of giving games for free.
Then I might to get an additional subscription XD

[SpadeX]

It will certainly improve in the future. :)

[Father__Merrin]

PlayStation Plus is a better service than Live Gold

anyone who disagrees is a fanboy

[Picnic]

Meanwhile, Xbox chief Julie Larson-Green says nothing. Can you believe that she has been Xbox chief for over a year without saying a word to buyers?

I hope she gets sacked so she can spend all day looking at her face in her Mirror App on her phone.

Don't feel sorry for any negative Xbox One stories. Some of the higher ups are in a state of word domineering wannabe arrogance. They have set up their own fall and it is shame because they actually have some decent games. I was once willing to spend the £400 for an Xbox One. Now I'll wait until their half price.

You cannot ignore forums! Get your big wigs actually talking on forums, not on stupid Twitter!

You can't rely on 'moms' buying it for cable TV. You don't know your market! They would be the icing on the cake for your sales. They are not the cake.

I expect if we see Larson-Green on TV it'll be on Oprah or something like that, trying to get down with moms 5 stones heavier than her.

She'll leave Microsoft with a huge pay off to go working for a dolphin charity or something.

Get the boys in charge! Show that you love your gamers just as much as Sony love theirs! Free Xbox Live for a significant period, not a bloody month, would be a start.
Are you so poor that you need to rely on a tax to let people play online with nowhere near as many good free games as Sony?

[upallnightgamer]

When Sony makes a Triple-A game that's released in the last year (Borderlands 2) FREE for a time, that's how you know they want your business. I've not seen Microsoft do that for any of their big-name titles yet. Yes, they gave us Fable 3 and Halo 3 and AC2, and they're all kick-ass games, but they're also bargain buys at Wal-Mart and GameStop now. Borderlands 2 still fetches $40-50 anywhere. I'm not one to engage in console trolling. I have both a PS3 and a 360, but it's obvious to me who understands gamers better.

[360ICE]

PS Plus really swipes the floor with Games 4 Gold. Still not sure how they do it. I mean Bioshock Infinite, Brothers and some of the best titles of last year for free? Unreal.

[static360]

when ever MS says they feel good about something, most of the time it ends up being crap to the consumers, so excuse me if i don't feel good about the first half of 2014

[MoB21]

Lmao he used Brothers as an example for a good PS+ give during a month where both Bioshock Infinite and DmC are free.

That should tell you enough about the trash lineup they about to have this year

[Surt]

I see nothing wrong with renting. I stopped buying games awhile ago, and the amount of cash I've saved it great. GAMEFLY anyone? love em. and PS+ is too damn good of a deal to not got it.

[NeloAnjelo]

Phil feels good... But will the XBL subscribers feel good?