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Sony Fans vs Microsoft Fans! Why Do People Debate in Comments Sections? - Polygonal Slant Show

I sit down with Dr. Cicchirillo from the UT Communications school to discuss fanboyism in games. We discuss Apple vs Android, Sony vs Microsoft, and Nintendo vs Everyone else.

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MultiConsoleGamer3972d ago (Edited 3972d ago )

Insecurities, purchase justification, marketing drones, brainwashed corporate puppets and flat out bigotry.

I also don't agree with the title of this video that implies or fanbase is more "die hard" than the rest. That's fanboy talk and generalization.

PolygonalSlant3972d ago

i'll take your comment to heart. This is my first youtube foray. I'll try better to make titles that are both engaging but accurate.

Thatguy-3103972d ago

I do it for the fun of just arguing. It's enjoyable and amusing. But just like in any argument everything has it's positives and negatives so no true "winner" is made.

MultiConsoleGamer3972d ago

If you enjoy arguing with strangers and creating strife and negativity then you are a bad person and you need to reevaluate your life.

Just sayin...

ShugaCane3971d ago

@MultiConsoleGamer

What's wrong about arguing with strangers ? You know that there are debate championships, right ? And what do politicians, or film critics, or whatever, do ?

A debate is good. You don't have to know who you're debating with, strangers have opinions too. And I'm not talking about stupid trolls or people who disagree with you just to start a fight, but people who have a real point of view and who are able to defend it.

Bluepowerzz3971d ago

ok so im brain washed for supporting a company that gave me solid entertainment for 15 years

TyBREAKR3971d ago

Do I agree or disagree with your comment? What if someone didn't catch your sarcasm? I will agree because I am happy with Sony products

GribbleGrunger3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

I don't think it's quite as clearly defined as this guy is suggesting. Clearly he knows what he's talking about from an academic perspective, but I'm not sure he's reflecting consumer issues accurately.

Branding definitely comes into it, that I can agree with; however, I don't think it has that much to do with the messaging behind that branding for the 'fanboy'. This is clearly demonstrated by the misinformation and misconceptions often exposed when conversations heat up. It exposes the lowest common denominator, and that is 'dislike/hatred' of the other competing brand. If you like: 'Anti-branding'

Just like I was expected to vote Labour because those around me did, and just like some people are racist or homophobic because they need to feel as if they belong, so it goes for gaming. As I always say, 'love brings people together and hatred cements that position when all else fails.' It's the pull and push of social dynamics.

So, to get to the real meat of why people like to argue, you don't look at the 'positive' messaging of a brand, you look to the anecdotal 'negative' branding of the competing brands. Some companies pursue this as part of their branding, so it's understandable that the two often get confused. In other words they invent anecdotal ammunition with well chosen sound bites that they know their followers will embrace and propagate.

Nice video by the way :)

Campy da Camper3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

I also feel there are folks who have emotional dogs in the race. For me, I got burned pretty hard by MS. I was never one to care who made what and I even slept outside best buy on the 360 launch. 3 red rings later, the inability to unlink my credit card from the system without having to call in and get talked down to by ms reps motivated me to by a ps3 in 2008ish.

Then the verbal violence on n4g whenever I made a positive Sony comment and the total lack of respect most members provided me made me angry. All of these experiences made me become someone who very well might take a jab at a Xbox supporter in the comment section.

Does it dominate my life? No. Do I invest more into it than a passing thought? No. Does it feel good to know that MS is screwing the pooch after all the money I gave them and all the crappy customer service I received? YES.

MultiConsoleGamer3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

Well Karmic, please allow me to use some debate 101 to prove you wrong.

People debate facts, not opinions. When it comes to opinions and matters of taste, no one is wrong.

If a man thinks the worst game ever made is actually their personal favorite, then no one can tell him that his is wrong. And anyone who tries is an insecure child who has not learned to be tolerant of the opinions of others.

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wishingW3L3972d ago

why people don't read the Guidelines and understand that direct linking to Youtube is not allowed? ;(

PolygonalSlant3972d ago

my fault, I'll like to my blog right away

cl19833972d ago

Personal blogs are only allowed from devs and publishers

CYCLEGAMER3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

@wishingW3L

Why do you care about that? His video is here and the mods approved it, so what!

@PolygonalSlant

I think there is more to it than just branding and brand loyalty, although branding is definitely a big part of it, but it is also about feeling secure in what you decided to purchase or validating your purchase, the games you like, your image, what your friends have, and also something that you touched on which is economics. An adolescent will defend defend whatever mommy and daddy bought them, just because they bought it. A person who can afford any console is less likely to be a fanboy of just one system, therefore will see both sides of the coin and enjoy different aspects of all systems.

Thanks for posting!

TyBREAKR3971d ago

Don't be obtuse @wishingw3l

PolygonalSlant3972d ago

then, how would you like me to post this video?

TripC503971d ago

Friend. Before wasting anymore time with this whole thing you need to slow down....find a way to sit and listen to a song called Let it Be by The Beatles. After that take a moment to think of something better to share on the internet, maybe something more important...interesting... or even meaningful. I believe you will do great things in the future. Peace bra.

Nocando3971d ago

This is a gaming website and the Beatles sucked.

GunsAndTheBeast3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

They're haters trying to abuse your somewhat (no offense) defensive manner in this particular thread. Don't follow too much what these 'by the book' trolls are saying.

You're fine, the video is posted and people always link videos from youtube anyway, especially if it's gaming related; pretty much acceptable.

Dogteeth3971d ago

If your lookin to get an honest opinion and positive feedback, your on the wrong site. This site is full of lunatics and severely insecure and depressed people who fight over a toy like its life or death. Your video was fine dude.

PolygonalSlant3971d ago

@GunsAndTheBeast & @Dogteeth

Thanks for putting it into perspective. I was getting really worried.

Also, the second part of the interview will come next week. Still editing it. It's all about race in games.

truechainz3971d ago

Yeah definitely post this up because I would really be intrigued by a take on race in games! It is a topic that is not commonly discussed but has a lot of bearing to draw upon.

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CYCLEGAMER3971d ago

I comment and debate to spread the truth and share an unbiased opinion about things.

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies3d ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX3d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody3d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

Cacabunga3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_3d ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga3d ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

Rainbowcookie1d 21h ago

Yeah but the one that was "bad" didn't even affect sales.

bunt-custardly3d ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga3d ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit3d ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_3d ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff21833d ago (Edited 3d ago )

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies3d ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai4d ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19724d ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

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@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19724d ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz4d ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay4d ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Nintendo Has Acquired Shiver Entertainment From Embracer Group

Nintendo Has Acquired Shiver Entertainment From Embracer Group

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Profchaos7d ago

Great news it shows that Nintendo intends to continue developing ports of AAA games to its next gen platform

H97d ago

Buying studios from embracer now is a great deal, they must be dirt cheap at this point, Nintendo is a opportunist, they wait until someone fall so they get their best deal

OtterX7d ago

That is some serious brain gymnastics you have going on there. 🤔

H97d ago

I didn't do any gymnastics I can assure you, honestly I don't know why you think that, not hating I seriously don't see why you think that

ZeekQuattro7d ago

Yeah I don't know where that came from. It's rare for Nintendo to flat out aquire studios. Guess they were trying to be edgy but why flex on this studio. 🤣

Kneetos6d ago

At least they are safer from layoffs with Nintendo then any other company

banger887d ago

I hope someone buys Piranha Bytes, their future isn't looking good right now. I love their RPGs, they're janky as f***, but they have heart and soul.

Relientk777d ago

Nintendo saw the Mortal Kombat 1 Switch port and were like, "Yeah, these guys are worth acquiring."

You can't make this crap up lol

Profchaos7d ago

Mortal Kombat 1 was never going to port well I'm sure they told wb it wasn't going to work but wb wants that sweet sweet 140 million install base

In the end wb approved the project cleared the milestones and allowed the product to release

SonOfOsiris7d ago

Yeah this guys ported MK11 which is great, Hogwarts Legacy which is great, and MK1 is now ok, play it every day