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What Let Us Down at Sony's Conference

IGN - The other side of the story.

Godmars2904004d ago

They have to have a specific cast of what Sony did wrong?

greenpowerz4004d ago

So you didn't watch the video?

Hatsune-Miku4004d ago

only thing that was a letdown was sony requiring a payment to play online for ps4 games and thats it. everything else was amazing.

PraxxtorCruel4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Gone well: No drm, no anti-consumer policies, used games can be sold on and no internet check ins.

Not so well: Lack of exclusives, I found most of the games they showcased were multiplats and finally charging for online play which was what made the ps3 so attractive because of its free play.

Lovable4004d ago

@Praxx

I completely agree with everything that you've just stated.

Mainman4004d ago

The worst about the conference was the payed Multi-player? What if I only play multi-player a couple a times a month? Not exactly worth the 5$ price tag.

I prefer to have DRM over having to have to pay for multi-player.

Also, I was hoping for some more exclusive games. The only one I have a bit of interest in is Killzone, but still not sure on that though. Was hoping for Naughty Dog to announce something and was hoping (but knew it would be unlikely) that Kojima would get on stage.
The 1886 England game wasn't really interesting for me.

Godmars2904004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

A specific segment they cut out and posted onto their site?

Just struck me as the kind of pointless nitpicking - which the gaming media has become known for. So nevermind.

@PraxxtorCruel:
"used games can be sold on and no internet check ins."

And as good a news that is, its still tragic that it has to be seen as such in light of the alternative MS have offered. That many gamers know this, and will be knowingly supporting it.

Chances are that Sony was a hairs width away from implementing their own DRM, saw s-storm MS's stirred up, and backed down. But come next-next gen it could still happen specifically because some willingly accepted it.

And in regards to games overall, Monolith's mech title for the WiiU owns my soul. The console will have to be a day-one the moment that game comes to the US.

As far as anything on the PS4 currently? At best Second Son has my mild interest.

Edit:
Any chance Sony ninjas could steal and/or copy Monolith?

reko4004d ago

so what was your reaction from lastnight? hahah @green

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darthv724004d ago

i agree with your sentiment but i still have doubt. this is mainly focused at sony openly saying its up to 3rd parties to impose any restrictions.

That still leaves a big "what if" overhead. When Ms came forward and talked about their plan, sony should never have addressed it the way they did. It forced them into the same boat. guilty by association.

Yesterday they only reaffirmed their stance on their titles but nothing to clear up 3rd parties. So the bigger question is...since we know sony will let them do it.......will 3rd parties actually go through with it?

Lovable4004d ago

Wait Kingdom Hearts 3 is exclusive? I swear they only said FF 14 is exclusive?

ExPresident4004d ago

@Mainman

Your statement is so contradicting its not even funny. You'd rather have DRM over paying for online? Are you an XBox owner? You must be, because I don't know a single other person who would prefer to have that DRM put against them.

Not to mention XBox owners pay for online as well.

badz1494004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

easy there, mate! did you put into your calculation the FREE Drive Club game which will definitely cost $60 in retail? NO? and that's just Day 1.

what about the other FREE games for PS4, PS3 and Vita that you will be getting every month for as long as your subscription goes? you don't really 'have' to play online to make your PS+ subscription feel worth it, you know. many MANY FREE games are coming your way and that's just a portion of PS+!

I'm just as disappointed as the next guy over this as I don't game online much but I'm willing to look at the positives! this is not just XGC, FB, Twitter, Netflix, Hulu, Last.FM etc. we're talking about here...FREE FULL GAMES at least 12 each for PS4, PS3 and Vita a year! I know THAT sounds appealing!

I'm not a PS+ members myself, you know. not because I think it's crap or whatsoever, but simply due to the fact that I don't have much gaming time and I'll definitely won't have time to play all those FREE games offered as I'm a busy man but I do like to go online every once in awhile when I have time. so, I'll gladly take my free copy of Drive Club and call it a day!

Caffo014004d ago

@Mainman
LOL you know if you buy xbone you have drm AND pay-to-play online right?

360degrees4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

What really disappointed me about playstation's conference was several things in no particular order. The lackluster presentation of first party exclusives was both surprising, and a blow to the vibe of their presentation as a whole. This is generally my main motivation to purchase a playstation console, but I find myself hesitant after that initial disappointment. Also, another negative that I found was the complete reversal of their long standing "free online" component. From a financial standpoint it's understandable, but the way they simply glossed over this fact with no explanation did not sit well with me personally as a long time playstation gamer.

Army_of_Darkness4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Sony's conference was okay... It was the important announcements regarding the features and price of the ps4 that Heated up the show! I'd be surprised if I'm gonna be able to get one this christmas since I'm not a fan of pre-ordering...

ZeroX98764004d ago

Well Naughty dog didn't show their next gen game, neither Media molecule, nor polyphony digital (GT6 isn't next gen... for now), the SCE san diego (MLB, Modnation) and more. What they're doing, we don't know, but it's surely some big titles that we'll hear about probably in the first year of the PS4.

not really a let down, but would have been nice. There's still gamescom, TGS and more to come, so I expect other titles on those events.

well, what can I say more than....Greatness Awaits!!!! :D

Mainman4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

@ Caffo01
I really don't care about the X-box 1, and don't really care about what their policy is. I didn't have a 360 this gen, and I didn't feel like I missed out (no offence to X-box fans out there). The reason I only had a PS3 this gen, I explain later on in my post.

@ badz149
@ ExPresident

I never buy used games, because I only buy a handful of games a year. I am really picky in liking a game. I would prefer to pay a fee to unlock a used game over a monthly fee to be able to play multi-player.

I barely play multi-player. Only a couple a times a month. Maybe even once every 3 weeks.

PS+ offer great stuff, but if I am simply not interested in any of the free games on offer? I have tried PS+, and I didn't do anything special with it. Didn't download any of the free games that was on offer at the time. Only tried an early beta of a game (can't remember the name, was a third person shooter in space, from the devs of Socom I think).

So yeah, PS+ is simply wasted on me.

I much rather prefer to pay a single fee for a game and have it free forever, than having a monthly/anually recurring fee. I simply can't be bothered with recurring fee's to be honest.

Oh and btw, I am not interested in Xbox one and I have never bought a 360 or a Wii this generation. For me it simply wasn't necessary because I am not a hardcore gamer. Like I said before there are only a handful of games I like. The only game I would follow to any system is Metal Gear Solid. I had bought a PSP just to play Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops. After that my PSP was collecting dust until Peace Walker released a couple of years later. I had also bought Tenchu for PSP (when I first purchased PSP), but I only played it once, because I simply didn't like it.

Like I said, I am really picky about my games, and I don't need PS+ to offer me free games. I will buy the games I like from the store, and I don't have to worry about buying second hand games, because I don't buy many games.

Free Drive Club is cool and all, but it would be wasted on me, because I simply wouldn't play it. I also don't have a Vita and probably won't buy a Vita, unless a game gets released on it that I really want to play.

Personally I am willing to pay a single fee, to unlock a certain game's multi-player forever. This policy would be cheaper for me.

HiddenMission4004d ago

@PraxxtorCruel

Ok so you say MS had more exclusives go watch again MS had 10 XB1 exclusives that not on PC as well where as PS4 had 14. J think everyon ignored the slew of indie games...

BallsEye4004d ago

@Haules

Kingdom hearts and FF are not exclusives.

Godmars2904004d ago

Then let everyone enjoy those games.

Hopefully...

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SecondSon4003d ago

Stop complaining about PS+ if you don't play a lot online just download the PS+ game of the month and there is your $5 well spent.

In the first 4 months you get at least:
Drive Club
Don't Starve
Outlast
The Secret Ponchos

All for $20. Your PS4 will be loaded with games for a $50 a year subscription.

At least 12 games a year. Where is your concern don't you like sweet deals like these?

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Wizziokid4004d ago

NO they briefly talked about everything after the conference, they just split the video so you can find each segment faster.

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StraightPath4004d ago

there were not to many exclusives and repeat of games we already seen. A lot of games shown were multiplatform games. While Microsoft show was filled to the brim with exclusive games.

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Nicaragua4004d ago

MS also showed World Of Tanks, TitanFall, Minecraft, and Dead Rising 3.

MysticStrummer4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

@Nicaragua - That still adds up to fewer exclusives for MS. Also, it remains to be seen which titles will be true exclusives to both companies. "Lack of exclusives" appears to be a silly concern for both Sony and Microsoft at this point.

I have no doubt that Sony will bring lots of exclusives to PS4. History says they will. If the generation progresses and they've let the number of exclusives drop, then this conversation can continue, but until then Sony should get the benefit of the doubt based on their past track record with exclusives.

The only real downer for me was having to pay for online play. The technical hiccups made me cringe, but I have no doubt those problems will be cleaned up. I was very happy they spent so little time on multi-media and of course the no DRM moment was huge.

Megaplaynate4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Maybe the rumor about MS paying pubs to not show their games was true, that's why we didn't see many 3rd party games.

TotalHitman4004d ago

When will you wake up and learn that M$ are ripping you off. Unless your a shill, then they're probably paying you. Give up. People like PS4.

dendenmooshi4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

MS showed:
- FM5
- Halo
- Killer Instinct
- Quantum Break
- Ryse
- Project Spark
- D4
- Fantasia Music
- Sunset Overdrive
- Crimson Dragon
- Dead Rising 3 (AFAIK)

The rest was multiplatform

Sony showed

- Killzone: Shadow Fall
- The Witness
- Driveclub
- Knack
- Infamous: Second Son
- The Order: 1886
- GT6
- The Dark Sorceror
- Deep Down
- A lot of Indie Games

The rest was multiplatform

This isn't a definitive list because many of these titles can go multiplat. Who knows in this business anymore.

Titanfall,minecraft, and World of Tanks are on PC. It was announced that KH3 and FFV are going multiplat (they need whatever money they can get). The game, Below (roguelike genre (WOOT)), will probably be on Steam.

Kingnichendrix4004d ago

World of tanks is on pc, so is minecraft and titanfall is also on pc

djsandman4004d ago

Lol kingdom hearts and ffxv are multi. The rest PS showed were CGI or already shown.

Ares904004d ago

Probably true. But the exclusive games part is the least thing to worry. We already know they will come. Sony showed that on the PS3, they will show it on the PS4.

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djsandman4004d ago

Uhm only multi platform games. 2 biggest games are multi play. Kh3 and ffxv, exclusive betas and exclusive content. Same price because camera is worth 100$ Media media, shitty vita showing. You have to pay to play online...... Borrrrringggggg. Sony fans are truly living in their own minds

Kingnichendrix4004d ago

so you are forced to pay $100, for a camera, and you have to pay more for weaker hardware? I game both on pc and console, your statement is strange and bizarre.

djsandman4004d ago

Uhm we actually don't know what GPU the Xbox currently has. And yes the camera looks sick. If I had the choice over a package without one and 399 I'd pick the one with a camera

Kingnichendrix4004d ago

We dont know because it is not worth mentioning

Godmars2904004d ago

@djsandman:
"we actually don't know what GPU the Xbox currently has"

Then its funny how its defenders are saying MS have shown off the console, when they really haven't.

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miyamoto4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Just look at how the PS3 handled antipiracy and you will know why PS4 font need DRM and disc based physical media is still the order of.the day for world wide PlayStation gamers outside Amurica.

Plus my PSP, PS3 , PSV and PS4 will all be covered by my PS+ all at the same time and greatly benefit from it.

Plus I would probably stick with MS Gundam Battle Operation - one of the most played mecha game in the world today.

So PlayStation is still the way to go.

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Wizziokid4004d ago

I was expecting more first-party reveals since they have 20 in the works but I was happy overall

Godchild10204004d ago

There is GamesCom in August and Tokyo Game Show in Spetember. Plus all the other trade shows. I expect more to be announce as time goes on.

Thatguy-3104004d ago

Though i did expect more I'm okay with what was shown. Sony goes big on Gamescom and TGS too which shows that more announcements are safe. Judging off from past years I can see something big announced at Gamescom. Maybe GG new IP or even David's cage ps4 game. The Last Guardian for sure will make an appearance at TGS

Testfire4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Sony is also still supporting the PS3 at least through this year with amazing games to come. Not 100% focus is on PS4 yet, so with that in mind I fully understand the lack of new PS4 ips.

Testfire4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

Double post, sorry.

MysticStrummer4004d ago

"There is GamesCom in August and Tokyo Game Show in Spetember. Plus all the other trade shows. I expect more to be announce as time goes on."

Exactly. Both Sony and MS have shown a comparable number of exclusives so far.

Making a judgement about either console based on the number of exclusives at this early stage seems silly and quite premature.

It reminds me of the "PS3 has no games" battle cry at the beginning of this generation. Look how that turned out.

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T24004d ago

Yes but to be honest I normally only play about half of Sony exclusives anyway... They had some good lookers there

MysticStrummer4004d ago

Most people won't buy all the exclusives for either console. Variety is key to success.

Chuk54004d ago

I thought it started off a little slow, kept a brisk pace, slowed down. Then when they got to the PS4 indie stuff, that's when it really hit it's stride. And then it's stride kept picking up exponentially and then they delivered 4 concise blows that won them the E3 crown

LarVanian4004d ago

I wished Sony had focused on showing their first party games rather than multi-platform games. I mean really, could we not have seen a demo for inFamous: Second Son instead of an another boring Assassins Creed? However I was happy to see confirmation on used games as well as FF15 and KH3. I'm also going to be keeping an eye on The Order.

Wingsfan244004d ago

Personally I really liked the new Assassin's Creed. For one they finally add crouching outside of cover hahaha, but they've certainly nailed the pirate theme and I love it.

Nitrowolf24004d ago

they were demoed pre starting o the show if you were watching it, but starangeluy they didn't uplaod the footage liek they said

LarVanian4004d ago

Yeah unfortunately I didn't catch the pre-show :(. However I still think they should have demoed them during the actual show, put them in the spot light for the world to see.

@ PockyKing

The environments and the atmosphere looked quite nice in Black Flag. And the voice acting seemed stellar. But still, every year at E3, Sony always put a strong emphasis on Assassins Creed making it quite clear that they're getting some sort of exclusive content. I'd rather they allow their own in-game developers a chance to shine at E3 more often.

Mr_Nuts4004d ago

You have to think though Sony have a big presence at gamescom and TGS while MS don't. Sony are spreading there announcements out

animegamingnerd4004d ago

the first half wasn't that good it was when final fantasy 15 was shown was when it picked up

AutoCad4004d ago

the last 20 minutes is what saved it..
the rest was awful.

Minato-Namikaze4004d ago

Once they Showed FFXV and KH3, any hope MS had was taken out back, shot, had bricks tied to its feet and then thrown in the ocean.

LoveOfTheGame4004d ago

^^
I don't think FFXV and KH3 will beat MGSV as a Xbox exclusive.

You know since your logic is if it showed at their event it's exclusive.

SE does need to clarify this though as it would be a massive advantage for PS even if it is only timed exclusive.

SexyGamerDude4004d ago (Edited 4004d ago )

LOTG. FF and KH are exclusive.

LoveOfTheGame4004d ago

Not once have either game been announced as exclusive, unless they just did and I didn't see it yet...link please.

Deathdeliverer4004d ago

MGS V is not xbox exclusive lol.

BallsEye4004d ago

@Minato-Namikaze

You do realize that both of those games are NOT EXCLUSIVES?

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai4d ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19724d ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

-Foxtrot4d ago

@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19724d ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel4d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz4d ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay4d ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers33d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken32d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g33d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing33d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H933d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola32d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66933d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle33d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg33d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos33d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola33d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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