Xbox's First Series X Misstep - Next-Gen Console Watch

IGN: "Welcome back to Next-Gen Console Watch 2020, our new show following all the news and rumors on the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X. Lots to talk about this week as Xbox just gave us a first look at third-party games on Xbox Series X."

[isarai]

Wonder why everyone has suddenly forgot about cross-buy when talking about smart delivery. It's the same thing and has been around for the ps3, psp, psvita, and ps4.

[darthv72]

Not only that but play anywhere is still a thing. At least... I think it's still a thing???

[isarai]

Yeah, it's still a bit too demanding but it can be done, i played half of Agents of Mayhem on my vita at work through remote play/play anywhere and it worked quite well, but i wouldn't expect the same performance at say a public McDonald's wifi service

[Rude-ro]

Not really on the play anywhere..
There are titles that support it, but then there are games that do not like halo mcc

[InUrFoxHole]

No one forgot about it but it should be a standard. Early this gen it wasn't

[timotim]

Not the same thing actually.

A game can be cross-buy/Play Anywhere, yet doesn't take advantage of the better hardware. Smart Delivery ensures both cross-buy AND enhancements and features that take advantage of the better hardware.

[neutralgamer1992]

isarai3

it's similar with improvements you can say. The system is kind of evolving and i am sure sony will evolve with it but when it comes to 3rd part publishers most i don't think will give away free copies. Both ms and sony can do this using their exclusives but any 3rd party game in this smart delivery will be paid for by the console makers.

this latest AC game would have sold well on next gen consoles let's say UBI were able to move a modest 2.5 million on ps5/xsx but if UBI has agreed to smart delivery sony and ms have to cover some of that cost. It's the same when ms or sony put big 3rd parry games on psn now or GP they have to pay

[porkChop]

Smart Delivery also includes physical. You put the XBO disc in your SX, and it installs the SX version rather than playing through BC.

The general idea between the two systems is the same, but the way they go about it is a bit different.

[isarai]

Yeah im not saying it's the same on every level, "Smart Delivery" obviously has some improvements like doing it for physical discs aswell. Just think it's silly everyone acts like Sony HAS NEVER and WILL NEVER do anything similar.

[NeoGamer232]

PS definitely has had cross buy for a very long time. That was a big feature for me when I had a PS Vita/PS3 combo. Cross-buy for PS3/4 was very limited. But, they haven't done it for the larger and more AAA games. They just did it with smaller games.

Here are the cross-buy PS3/PS4 games in Canada (Where I live):

https://store.playstation.c...

There is 67 there considering there are thousands of games for PS3/PS4, this is a very small list..

For example I could not cross-buy TLOU for PS3/4. I had to purchase both versions to get them on the different platforms.

The difference here I think is that MS is encouraging all games to be cross buy and not just smaller games.

That said, there is nothing Sony does not have to do cross-buy with PS4 to PS5. And given its reception I don't see why they won't expand it to the larger games.

[RamRod88]

Not the same thing really. Cross-buy from ps3 to ps4 only works with digital games and the total list of games is less than 70, being comprised of almost all indie games. Games using smart delivery will scale the game according to the system being used and the disc version works as well. That number will certainly be more than 70 and we already know of larger games like cyberpunk and AC using this feature, along with Halo Infinite, Gears 5, and other 1st party games.

https://store.playstation.c...

[PepsivsCoke]

Well, isn't just about any PS4 game going to be playable on the PS5? So... If I buy Madden for the PS4 then later the PS5 comes out....I put the disc in the PS5 and it plays, right!? It should include upgrading. Maybe their point is you can buy the Xbox series X game and play it on your Xbox one till you get the Series X. However games won't be out for the Series X until the system is out, so ... now.....back to square one. WTH? Is this just a marketing thing? Sounding like you're getting cool feature?

[AK91]

They haven't MS is just pretending like they invented the idea to seem special but its obviously not as big deal as game journo's want people to think they are.

[darthv72]

I agree with Ryan, it seemed misleading to call it 'gameplay' when it was all just sizzle reels. Games looked cool, and now i know what to expect from the cutscenes when i play them but I wanted to see the character actually doing stuff on the screen... like gameplay usually shows.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

I’m not sure why people are so surprised. Devs have been showcasing cutscenes, and modified, selective capture as “gameplay” for years now.

[SpaceRanger]

Good point, but MS actively marketed it as “Next Generation Gameplay” for the last week and a half. Very misleading for those who tuned in.

[darthv72]

Not all devs. And really this is more on Ubi than it is MS. MS gave them the platform to showcase their 'gameplay' and Ubi did nothing of the sort. Some of the other games had a mix of gameplay (from player perspective) mixed with snipets of cutscenes but the big one people were really expecting (as was initially touted) was AC:V and Ubi failed to deliver. MS is the one getting all the heat and they know it could have been better had they been more demanding of what even they were expecting from the 3rd parties for this show.

[Imalwaysright]

Cutscenes aren't gameplay at all. I have seen devs saying that cutscenes are in-engine and that can be misleading as they can be pre-rendered and have improved lighting, textures, etc when compared to what you get in gameplay portions.

@ darthv72

I have a hard time believing that MS didn't know what was going to be shown.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

You are correct, but Microsoft should have just stated their event as a game reveal event.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Misstep is a bit much. They showed some in-game trailers during a very strange period of pandemic and little game news

[InUrFoxHole]

The stream was a disservice to the games. They should've uploaded it after it was done.

[GamerRN]

At least they are TAKING steps... PS5 hasn't misstepped because they are standing still

[Dragonscale]

Better to stand still than fall flat on your face.

[RazzerRedux]

The pandemic doesn't prevent them from being truthful about what they were going to show. They hyped it as "gameplay". The event title said "gameplay". There was barely any actual gameplay. WTF does the pandemic have to do with any of that?

[dumahim]

A misstep is pretty minor. I don't think it's a bit much at all.
I don't understand why they chose to go with a bunch of non-impressive third party games as their first big showcase of their next-gen. There should have been a few first party titles or wait until they're ready to be shown.

[generic-user-name]

They said they'd show one thing, they showed another, inferior thing. That's a misstep to anyone not clouded by brand loyalty.

[meka2611]

I'm not sure where this is coming from? Most of the videos were gameplay trailers and they said it would be indie games. Also they are making more announcements each month. I understand being pissed about assassin's creed but that's on Ubisoft as usual. Can't wait for when we do see gameplay and then we will see the famous Ubisoft graphics downgrade. I don't think any of the games are very impressive but there was tons of gameplay like they said.

[RazzerRedux]

" Most of the videos were gameplay trailers"

No...those were in-game trailers. Those were not gameplay trailers. This was hyped as a "gameplay" event. That's where this is coming from.

[StormLegend]

That event was horrible. None of that looked next gen. $500+ for that? I'm good

[Father__Merrin]

Both gamespot and ign have pulled this up now. Why are ppl still defending?

[Wetpapertowel]

Because Xbox fans.

[Dragonscale]

Its desperation tbh. They are realising this is another xbone debacle all over again. De ja vu lol.

[InUrFoxHole]

They showed 3rd party software. Watch the stream again at higher settings. It doesn't look as bad. July is 1st party. If its more of the same then we have a real conversation here.

[DEEHULK88]

How was it a misstep when they clearly stated gsmeplay,trailers, and announcements. Publications clearly left out the trailers and announcements part, so that they could have something to rant about.

[RazzerRedux]

"Inside Xbox Presents First Look Xbox Series X Gameplay"

Not

"Inside Xbox Presents First Look Xbox Series X Trailers and Announcements (and a little gameplay)"

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[IRetrouk]

I mean is this not promising more than was shown?
https://ibb.co/QbSnG9x

[DEEHULK88]

Announcement on twitter said what I said Announcements, Trailers and Gameplay. I guess if you want to find something to talk about you would just disregard the first announcement.

[IRetrouk]

They messed up, they got the backlash and they responded, hopefully they take it all in and improve, the games, while not amazing were a good example of cross gen third party stuff, a couple I want, a few I dont and a few more I want to see more of, it wasnt a bad show, just not really what they were hyping it to be.

[RamRod88]

I agree with this. What they showed wasn't bad, it how they marketed the show. If they simply said, "We will be showing first ever game footage from our partners for Series X." The backlash wouldn't have been a thing. I think people were most disappointed with how much AC Valhalla was hyped up to show gameplay, and it wasn't close to what people expected.

[TheHateTheyGive]

What else is new? Im serious.

[S2Killinit]

Their misstep was related to games. While they were talking about things, they were doing great. When they showed games, it all fell side ways? Sounds like the current generation.

[AK91]

I though the opposite to me they've been doing nothing but missteps till this presser since they actually showed games, which is something they haven't been doing until this one.

[GreatSako2020]

Kratos to Microsoft : You are not ready

[timotim]

I agree with this. It was Microsoft's first misstep with SX. Up until now, they were flawless. However, we fans let them know exactly where they went wrong and they owned up to it and said they would correct it in the future. Thats all we can ask, and its definitely better than hiding from it. Whats good is that they now understand the exact reaction they're going to get if they ever do that in the future so I figure there next event will be that much better for it.

[Dragonscale]

Flawless? Really? Lmfao.

[timotim]

In terms of SX coverage and messaging...yes.

[neomahi]

Microsoft really have no idea what they're doing. This is their third console gen and they're still playing it like they're oblivious to what gaming is and how the business is done.

I keep going back to "Gears of War: Road to E3" that's on YouTube and on the Bonus Disc for Gears of War Special Edition on Xbox 360 where it shows just how Microsoft does business. They're out of touch with gamers and everyone that knows Microsoft knows they watch what the competition does and then just mimic that, they can't run a business on their own so with Sony remaining silent, Microsoft are going nuts. They wanna get their console out there but they don't know, or seem to don't know, what Sony are going to do. They're keeping their cards right to their chest to not reveal their hand, but they can't wait to get their console out the door. Meanwhile, Sony just sits in wait, patiently waiting, or struggling if rumors are true, but either way, first impressions are everything and Microsoft blew it, Aaron Greenberg must have been a frat buddy of Phil Spencer's cause I would've fired that guy a long time ago, he's the Donald Trump if Microsoft. He acts like a fanboy, hence I call him the Executive Fanboy, and it's not professional. This first reveal was a horrible first impression, Sony can now sit and relax and wait as long as they want. They know they can put on a good show, they've always annihilated Microsoft at E3, without even really trying and that's what they'll do. Sony's first impression will be what it needs to be because Sony knows the industry, they know what gamers want and who gamers are. (If they can get through their current The Last of Us Part II debacle, which isn't looking good right now, Neil Druckmann it seems is on track to derail Naughty Dog as fans and gamers alike playing his game are likely to become enraged, from the sounds of it so Sony has their own problems right now about to spike with PR. Probably not a bad time to let him go and heal Naughty Dog and let restore it's good name, I mean, it took how long to make The Last of Us Part II when Naughty Dog complete four, yes, four games on hardware that was deemed the most difficult hardware to program for.

[j15reed]

The event was fine they said there will people plenty of events and information to come, I rather have any info about next gen rather than none at all.