Is the Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 teaser truly a taste of next-gen power?

Can Xbox Series X possibly look this good?

[Obscure_Observer]

Given NT´s track record and talent plus the SX´s power, I have no doubt they´ll achieve such graphics in gameplay.

[fdkenzo]

🤔

[Jrios355]

I always see the thinking emote as "Oh my GOD!!! This guy is SO! FUCKING! RETARDED!!!"

[ShadowWolf712]

@Genkins That trailer was pre-rendered, homie. lol

[Donnie81]

I think it’s funny people can curse and insult others and mods won’t do a thing but if u barely insult PlayStation you will get a few days ban. You got people with a little power that really aren’t mature enough to handle it.

[himdeel]

Um where was the gameplay?!

This is frustrating. It's like know one has a memory past 2 comments or 3 days. Eurocraper. Taste of next gen trailer, there fixed.

I thought we've already discussed this and do discuss this with every console game trailer ever since Killzone 2. Anthem anyone.

And trailers using in game graphics are not gameplay. I expect this in game curated trailer could be done on the base Xbox and PS4.

I saw nothing to be excited about EXCEPT knowing a new Hell lade game is coming. Be excited about something real.

[bouzebbal]

I liked all of their games, except Enslaved.
I haven't played Hell Blade, but i'm planning to i am having a huge backlog of games still...

[Unspoken]

Genkins isn't far off.

https://youtu.be/zKu1Y-LlfN...

Watch until the end and listen to the dev. Just because it's Xbox, which appears to have the best looking game now, so many skeptics have come from behind their PlayStation, like a bright light has lifted the fog from their couch and they can see for the first time in years.

[CaptainHenry916]

I actually thought the first game was a taste of next generation at least in graphics. The game world felt empty though. Hopefully they add more depth to the gameplay. I also hope it's a longer game because the first game felt like a good indie game and the price of the game was only like 30 bucks

[nucky64]

it was a AA game that looked very nice - i would not ever say it was "a taste of next generation at least in graphics".

[CaptainHenry916]

"i would not ever say it was "a taste of next generation at least in graphics".

I have a high end PC so to me it did look next gen to me

[rainslacker]

It was a really good looking game. The world itself allowed them to put a lot of focus on stuff close to the character, while draw distances were obfuscated, which allows for a high level of detail in the stuff you really see. I don't know if I'd say it was a taste of next gen graphics though. It lacked most of the things which will push next gen to look significantly better. This gen was more of an upgrade of things from last gen, while next gen is bringing a lot more rendering techniques to hardware which just make things look better by default. Those things, when optimized and used properly, will outclass this gen by a wide margin.

[ssj27]

See digital foundry analysis on youtube you can see all the cheat tricks they use to make it look cinematic. 24fps cinema fames Hollywood style but it doesn't work for a video game but it does give cinematic feeling to videos. And many ither cheat tricks. Seen it visuals next to games like death stranding its not that impressive comparing to current gen game that visually looks stunning. Plus its not gameplay Sony and ubisoft 2tc have fooled us manytimes with this "in engine" cinematic they are not real time engine and this is the key . NAUGHTY dogs akso cheat a lot with their cut scenes are in engine but they have the freedom to polish and add better visual to their cinematic compared to the real time gameplay. Sure it does look nice but definitely very possible the impressive thing are the facial animations are really nice compared to most current gen facial animation games. Its obvious that they will look nice better thab current gen but not that impressive. This generation jum wont be bug like others but there will be a jump in many technical stuff . This current gen was already hitting it limits 3 years ago. Next gen cant come soon enough. It will be better and that's good but definitely not big jump like we are used to every next gen. It will be similar jump slightly more than last gen and last gen jump was a let down for me. But i dont see generational jump but just slightly bigger abd better in everything. . Sure they can't do yhe huge jump we deserve because that will make consoles cost at least 2k and gane production cost skyrocket to bigger levels companies cant take. Welcome to capitalism state were we are stuck in old technology because companies wanna charge crazy $$$$ for the last technology piece making it unaffordable to general public

[TK-66]

Paragraphs. Google it, and learn to use them.

[NonPartisanGamer]

You mad bro?

[fr0sty]

It doesn't even claim to be "in engine" in this video, and you know good and well if it were real-time, in engine, gameplay, etc. they would have plastered it all over this video.

[ssj27]

Ohh i hit so many nerves with my comment. I been playing video games since atary and old school prince of percia on pc.
Last concoles i owned. Nintendo 64 ps2 ps3 ps4 and jump from ps2 to ps3 was huge. And same before thatm the jump from ps3 to ps4 was only that the same games went open world and more stables frames by been open world ai didn't advance as a meter of fact i think it went back. Killzone 2 ai is so far the most advanced i have seen. Everything else after that has been downhill. Physic feels that they stayed still or even went downhill its probably because the cell is indeed more powerful than the ps4 replacement and i could feel it Guerrilla Games confirmed this on a interview thatw as posted here not.long ago on n4g. And ps5 does seem like we will get better or more ai and more detail in general sure but they will still be 4k no way aaa games will be 8k maybe until a pro version lunch on probably 4 year. We wont get more open world but more detail and ai in them which is nice but not a big jump. Small jump just like from ps3 to ps4 maybe little bigger but small. Let have a decent mature chat and prove me wrong and no a cgi trailer running at sub 4k at 24fps that been edited to cgi levels doesn't count or prove anything. Fiest next gen game xbox showed was halo and look underwhelming sure is crossgen but they show next gen version of it and seem a let down. Same for godfall games will be better than this bug not.much better. So proff me wrong. I see all day independent artist showing demos of their skill with powerful pc that put nextgen on shame proving that they are holding huge time technology and giving us old technology

[Wasabi]

@Frosty

***"It doesn't even claim to be "in engine" in this video, and you know good and well if it were real-time, in engine, gameplay, etc. they would have plastered it all over this video"***

Yes it does, it clearly says "in engine" in the video title hosted on the official channel.

https://youtu.be/qJWI4bkD9Z...

[fr0sty]

While not necessarily impossible, there was no mention at all that what we were seeing was in-engine, in-game, or anything but a pre-rendered cutscene. There was no gameplay shown at all, so keep that grain of salt handy.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

MS confirmed it was in Engine.

[porkChop]

They literally said it was in-engine right before they played the trailer.

[UltraNova]

When they are not explicitly stating what version and what type of the footage shown its usually decked out. I suspect this was indeed an in-engine footage running on PC and as DF has confirmed it was also heavily touched up.

Personally, I dont take offense when they do stuff like that because I know the inevitable real time clips are coming sooner or later.

[ShadowWolf712]

They said in-engine at the beginning of the trailer. However, it is very much still pre-rendered.

[nucky64]

obscure observer - i'm just curious - what games on your "track record" tells you this? hellblade looked good on ps4 - but nothing about it was jaw-dropping.

[SwampthingsSon]

You have way more negative votes because it's no longer a Sony franchise. That's literally all of the negativity.

[Ricegum]

I downvote him due to the fact the guy would say a turd is the most amazing thing ever if it were only on Xbox. The guy should be on MS's payroll, it's embarrassing.

[Rude-ro]

Can we name a next gen release tease that actually ran as its first showing?
And being this was of no game play, putting in cgi style cutscenes can very easily be done.
But this is Microsoft.
They literally just went a whole gen with Xbox 360 game engines.
They lied about forza all the way up to release week on the Fallon show.
Being Microsoft’s history, I would wait way into release to see if anything is actual fact.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

For starters because as usual you are un informed it's not CG it's confirmed in Engine. They lied about Forza? The hell you goin on about? Lied about 360 engines?? I guess we're just gonna choose not to talk about Sony's 05 E3 where they fabricated everything and it was confirmed so especially Kill zone 2? You're a fanboy so that's different that's right then explain how it'd different?

[IRetrouk]

@rude ro, the forza engine has been worked on all gen, it's not a 360 engine anymore, same with halo, gears also used the newer version of unreal, although I do agree we need to wait a see before claiming anything, that includes sony too.

@ angelic
They did lie about forza 5, that was all over n4g at the time, and the articles are still up, use the search engine and you will see the articles comparing what they showed vs what people got, pretty well known to be honest🤷‍♂️

All companys release these types of trailers, it's nothing new, the forza situation is slightly different in that ms used a better looking version to promote it right up to near launch, including the Fallon shows "gameplay" segment. As Far as I'm aware sony hasn't done that with any in house dev, it's ok to be questioning this stuff, it's not a fanboy thing to ask questions, especially if theres proof in the past of faked or touched up footage, again goes for any company not just ms.

[neutralgamer1992]

Shadow

Exactly 😂 and I like the home part

[nismo370]

🤣🤣🤣

[timotim]

We will have to wait and see. NT is one of the pioneers in motion and facial capture and has been perfecting it since the early PS3 days. Hell Blade, even with its modest budget was one of the best looking games of this generation. Its not a stretch to imagine what they can do with a vastly improved budget and the world's most valuable company behind them with industry leading resources of their own.

[NecrumOddBoy]

I have played Heavenly Sword, Enslaved, and Hellblade. Ninja Theory is probably the best studio at capturing facial expressions and creating believable conversations. This they are masters of.

[timotim]

Yeah...UE4 has been gearing up for this for a while now.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Pixelift]

Exactly, it was a tech demo more than anything else. Same with all these early trailers.

[fr0sty]

AAA production value, but not AAA gameplay, so you don't get AAA sales. None of their games sold all that great.

[TK-66]

@fr0sty

There is no such thing as AAA gameplay. The classification of AAA refers only to production value.

[fr0sty]

Microsoft isn't even the world's third most valuable company, timotim.

[Wasabi]

@fr0sty

***"Microsoft isn't even the world's third most valuable company"***

Microsoft was the number one ranked company in the world by market capitalization Q1- 3 in 2019.
They are currently predicted number two by market cap for Q4 (predicted over taken by Apple) with final figures not available until end of Q4/Financial year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

[Trueflames]

@frosty wow you seriously dont do research before posting what a moron 😂

[Wasabi]

Comment moved to correct reply line.

[NXFather]

Well you know he is talking about nyse even though he is wrong.

[Fist4achin]

Not sure, but she sure looks pissed and ready to wreak some havoc!

[The Wood]

Lol. Truth

[CaptainCook]

She does have Mental Health issues though..

[fatbastard11]

Yeah i feel like a lot of people completely miss that 'slight" fact. They think sh'es just an angry person actually killing mythical creatures.

[Wasabi]

@fatbastard

***"They think sh'es just an angry person actually killing mythical creatures."***

Goddess of War?

[2pacalypsenow]

She needs to smile more.

[NecrumOddBoy]

@Wasabi

Saying "Goddess of War" is funny because that title goes to Nariko from Ninja Theory's Heavenly Sword.

[Fist4achin]

I did play through the first and she seems like an opposite from the frail and damaged person who was clawing her way to understanding and vengeance of everything that happened to her and her significant other.

[dumahim]

@2pacalypsenow
Hope that was a joke, if so, I understood that reference.

[telekineticmantis]

It could be, we just haven't seen in game footage.

[Dovergamer]

It's possible to see this as a plausible step but as many people claim we have not seen the the game play footage where the player interacts with the game assets.

[monkey602]

Sony missed a beat not acquiring Ninja Theory first. Huge benefit to Microsoft

[Smoke38]

Monkey602@ Sony already got sucker punch and Sony Santa Monica for Melee combat action games they didn’t need ninja theory.

[AspiringProGenji]

Why the disagrees? SSM has already sony converer with Hack n slash genre. Sucker punch with the action super hero games too, although ghost of Tsushima is not super hero this time around

[The Wood]

I think so too. I woulda preferred both be acquired. . .insomniac and NT but I'm greedy ***t.

In regards to power. . . Definitely a wait and see. Cut scenes can always look amazing.

[MrVux000]

I have to agree, Ninja Theory has a lot of potential.

Just hope we don't have another Rare situtation at hand...

[FanboySpotter]

https://youtu.be/vIxWgVOCex...

[XVision84]

Pointless acquisition. Sony has a long list of quality 3rd person action adventure games. Microsoft doesn't, makes more sense for Microsoft to shell out the money.

[ziggurcat]

Yeah, I think they should have pulled the trigger on them once the first Hellblade released.

I would love to see Remedy become a member of the Sony family.

[Segata]

Insomniac is a much better get than NT. NT makes technical showpieces with mediocre combat.

[Eldyraen]

Hellblade was realistically the only NT game you could say had mediocre combat imo. It’s combat and puzzles were okay, but repetitive. More on the level of ryse melee combat than their other games in a sense—so it worked, but was minimalist.

But for it being a tiny team and not the whole studio, the combat and puzzles get a pass in HB’s case imo. Their other games’ combat were much more front and center, while still having interesting narratives (if safer than HB’s narrative design).

I’m hoping NT grows it’s combat and puzzles for part 2 though, because I wouldn’t mind some of it being similar but they just need more variation. I’m sure they likely thought the same however, especially as those were it’s primary sore spots for many that would have given feedback or reviews.

Insomniac is still on a different level though. But until Spiderman iInsomniac’s melee combat in particular was pretty simple, and relied on ranged combat typically. And Spidey has a lot of references to use for a basis too which might have helped.

Plus their studio is several times NT’s size, unless NT tripled or quadrupled in size since Hellblade‘S initial release.

[monkey602]

Wow. Up to now I never quite grasped what the Xbox lads meant when they talked about the immature Sony boys because I'm typically in favour of the Sony side of things myself but I'm getting private messages in response to my comment now and I have to say there's some sad individuals on here!

[MrVux000]

The bigger the community, the higher the probability of toxic behaviour.

[HighPlayer28]

Facts some are very weird and have cult like mentality. Things that trigger them is these things.
1. Positive Xbox News
2. Japanese Games Coming to Xbox
3.Studio Acquisitions for Xbox
4.More Consumer Options
Xbox has their share of fanboys as well thats extreme but it seems like most Sony fans do not want the Xbox to get better at all next gen and will downplay every time Microsoft does great moves for Xbox. Its amazing I heard Sony fans say Microsoft needs more Sp AAA games instead of just filler AA and now that they show one its being down played.

[timotim]

The hateful stuff that shows up in my private messages leaves me dumbfounded at times. My reaction is very much like yours..."WOW these guys are serious."

[FanboySpotter]

Same here with the messages. It's weird and sad how some people take these things personally

[KickSpinFilter]

Well you don’t get around much, as there are some major Xberts on here lying and twisting and also just straight out rubbish. Hellblade looked amazing on PS4 and HB2 will be amazing on XSeries

[nucky64]

yea, sony is really hurting for 1st party studios and AAA exclusives - it's a wonder how they sell their consoles - S

[monkey602]

Or! Get this!

Sony had a great relationship with a developer that makes good quality games and even PlayStation Exclusives in the past! A studio in which was struggling financially and looking for support.
A studio I'm a huge fan of and dissapointed I won't be able to play their titles on my chosen platform moving forward.

[ScootaKuH]

Sony have Insomniac, Guerrilla and Naughty Dog. I reckon each of those trumps Ninja Theory

[phoenixwing]

Im not going to say its impossible but microsoft is notorious for doing trailers that arent in game and dont measure up. Off the top of my head i remember the halo 3 trailer they used which was not how the game turned out.

However, ninja theory are a capable studio so maybe they can do something great.

[darthv72]

Halo 3 turned out better than the trailer. The only game I can think of where the trailer was better than the finished product is Crackdown 3.

[phoenixwing]

@darth
It did not turn out better than the super bowl trailer whatsoever

[Wasabi]

@phoenixwing

***"microsoft is notorious for doing trailers that arent in game and dont measure up"***

Lets not pretend that it's only Microsoft that has done this, footage featured in Sony's 2005 PS3 E3 reveal was almost entirely faked and pretty much introduced the world to the "target render".

It was so bad that Digital Foundry created this hour plus long special analysis looking at just how ridiculous the whole reveal was.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Don't worry, I'll remember the FACTS so you don't have to.

[phoenixwing]

i just was saying what microsoft has done if you wanna bring sony into this they definitely had some issues with killzone 2 video. However, sony has come a long ways since 2005 it's 2019 now and usually they show real stuff with real pspro or whatever system to emphasize how good it is.

[KickSpinFilter]

Crackdown 3 comes to mind.
But not worried about Hellblade 2 NT knows what’s up

[Traecy]

Need to see actual gameplay to judge.

[SinisterKieran]

I’m looking at the comment and wondering..do people actually know what NT have done because before hellblade they did dmc, heavenly sword and enslaved. Some good games but none are known for good scripts and being visually impressive.

[monkey602]

Some of the same idiots who downplay Ninja Theory now where the ones to talk about Heavenly Sword and Hellblade as the next biggest thing when they were PlayStation only. I loved both games by the way

[AspiringProGenji]

No one really thought of Heavenly Sword or Hellblade as the next biggest thing. Nice of you making things up

[KickSpinFilter]

Please!! When on just PS4 Xberts were calling Hellblade a dweeb game, or a SWJ game, or a one and done game. Yet here we are now it’s the second coming. I will say though I’m pretty close to picking up a X Series because of this game although I need to more games of interest before I do, was a huge fan of HB when it was on PS4 and still a huge fan, although a bummer not coming to PS5. But hey... exclusives matter.

[HighPlayer28]

I agree its like they think the NT quality will suffer now that Microsoft acquired them even though this is a completely new Microsoft and Xbox team running the division.

[timotim]

Its not uncommon for studios to hire new script writers and I dont know about you but Hell Blade impressed even with a small budget. Why dont you think a studio can improve over time?
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Pancit_Canton]

Nope. I believed Naughty Dog's The Last of US 2 is the teaser for next gen. game standard. Their "actual demo", not "in engine" trailer actually showed next gen. Facial Capture, Character animation and A. I. Hell Blade 2 in engine trailer is nothing but a smoke and mirrors for sexbox. They are too afraid to show actual gameplay.

[XVision84]

How are they supposed to show actual gameplay when the game is very early in development? It'll just look rough and completely different from the final product, there's no point.

[Pancit_Canton]

Hell blade 1 was released on 2017.

They were acquired by Microsoft on 2018. They have more than 100 employees working for them. They have more than a year to work on early concept or demo.

[Nitrowolf2]

There's also no point in getting excited over the visuals at the moment and I mean this for anybody that uses a trailer just to say its in game engine but not show actual gameplay

Did we all forget and not learn from the start of this generation how many developers were just came out and claiming stuff was in engine only for it to look different?

I have no doubt this title will look great but it's best to keep expectations in check.

[XVision84]

@Pancit_Canton

Many games spend a year just on preproduction alone, and Ninja Theory is also developing their multiplayer game.

Early concepts are faked most of the time because they're extremely controlled demos made just for show instead of a finished level. This isn't coming from me, it's from interviews with devs and the book Blood Sweat & Pixels.

I'd rather see a mostly finished level than what the devs believe the game might look like on release day.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Right, them ppl here will complain how bad the game looks and MS ruined them. be cognizant of these fanboys bait switch traps.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"They are too afraid to show actual gameplay." Or just maybe its in early concept stages like they stated. You ppl just throw logic completely out the window just to complain and cry for no reason. If fanboying out was an extreme sport you have your own league.

"They have more than a year to work on early concept or demo." Ok well you don't dictate when they show something. They'll sh9ow when they're damn well and ready. Plus the final specs probably aren't finalized yet.

[Pancit_Canton]

I guess Sony wasn't afraid, when they showcased Uncharted 4 early development. God of War 2015 demo. Sony wasn't afraid to show of it's games, even though it's super early on it's development stages. Because they know it's good from the quality standpoint.

"Plus the final specs probably aren't finalized yet." That's BS and you know it.

[XVision84]

@Pancit_Canton

When Uncharted 4 was originally showcased, the game was going through many problems and drastic direction changes. Remember the first Uncharted 4 teaser when Sam was the villain and Amy Hennig was writing the story?

Remember when they claimed 60fps target singleplayer and later went back on that? Things change during development and fans complain about changes/downgrades but still want early footage.

[Pancit_Canton]

@XVision84
I don't believed that BS.

Sony Santa Monica Studio created God of War 2015 demo in less than a year. They had to spend another 3 - 4 years of development cycle to complete the game. It is possible to create a tech demo or an actual demo in less than a year. Especially, they have the support of Microsoft funding and teams. What you just said is a complete bs.

[XVision84]

So because Santa Monica made a demo in less than a year, which you have not proven the development of (show me proof that wasn't in preproduction for longer), every developer must do so?

By that logic, because Death Stranding came out so quickly, Naughty Dog is lazy for taking so long with TLOU2.

Every game has its own complications, plans, and conditions. I'll take the words of a game developer over a forum poster calling BS.

[Pancit_Canton]

@XVision84

You should watch the making of God of War in you tube. You think Ninja Theory doesn't have the pre-concept already completed after finished HB1? Most developers already planned out sequels and even trilogy.

Kojima Production got some help with from Guirella Studio which is a massive studio. Naughty Dogs on the other hand are working on multiple titles that's why it's taking time to release TLOU2. It's also a strategy stand point from Sony, since they are releasing Ghost of Tsushima early.

[XVision84]

@Pancit_Canton

I saw the GoW documentary a while back, don't remember much from it, I should watch it again though because I know it's great.

Many things change over the course of development, we don't know if they planned a sequel from the start. We don't know how ambitious they're making the sequel. We don't know anything except this video. The devs know when it's best to show off their game, or else we get a situation like Anthem where the demo is fully staged.

Don't forget that in its early stages, Destiny was almost exactly like Overwatch. Now it's completely different.

Also Studios help one another all the time, I doubt Guerrilla abandoned their game just to help Kojima. We hear about Sony first party studios aiding each other regularly. Also, how do you know Naughty Dog is working on two games at once? They stopped having two separate teams a while back AFAIK.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

BS that the specs aren't 100% finalized? Um if I remember correctly MS finalized the X1 specs 5 to 6 months until launch.

The PS4 was already 2 years out and already quite of bit of game releases. VS a console that's still a year away. So early stages of a game are no brainers.

[goldwyncq]

For the record, TLOU2's first ever gameplay reveal came a year and a half after its announcement. Was Naughty Dog afraid to show actual gameplay too?

[DJStotty]

@Pancit

Isnt the last of us 2 for PS4? So how is it next-gen?

[THC CELL]

Sony: you ain't seen nothing yet

[Wasabi]

***"Sony: you ain't seen nothing yet"***

Not true, we've seen Godfall, that totally inspired looking GaaS type "Looter Slasher" that doesn't look at all like a mashup of free to play Looter Slasher Warframe and Ubisoft's the Division.

[jznrpg]

It’s also not a Sony game but a Gearbox game. You know the people that make Borderlands .

[Wasabi]

@jznrpg

***"it’s also not a Sony game but a Gearbox game. You know the people that make Borderlands"***

It's being developed by Counterplay Games, Gearbox is the publisher.

[Wasabi]

@Gahl1k

***"Have you ever heard of Counterplay Games before? They are a small team that worked on two games so far, Destiny 2 and Duelyst"***

So Destiny 2, a free to play service based game and the Duelyst, another F2P playable online, this pretty much confirms what I wrote above, thanks.

To be honest, I actually think Godfall looks pretty good - it seems to be running at 60FPS and the graphics look nice. It also seems to employ ray tracing elements according to a couple of tech based sites that I looked at. I enjoy Warframe and I enjoyed Destiny and the Division 2 - I'm not against service based games so if I buy a PS5 I'll probably take a look.

Thanks for the info :)

[rainslacker]

At this point I wish they would.....just so people will stop talking about how Hellblade is now the most amazing thing ever since the creation of the universe. Not to take away from NT, or their ability, or even the game, but the hyperbole surrounding what to expect because of the trailer is beyond silly. And I'm someone who will go on record that it's not that far off from what to expect. Fan boys on both sides are being idiotic about it, and it's distracting from more meaningful conversions about the game.

[rainslacker]

Regardless, it's like everyone lost their mind because of a cool trailer. I get being excited for something, but it's like everyone forgot the scope of the first game, and immediately went to this game being a system selling game on the level of Halo or God or War. I even saw people say this could be the answer to Sony's God of War.

I loved the first game. I have a great respect for NT. The new trailer was really good. But I wouldn't take this trailer as some sign of the coming rapture, nor is the hyperbole surrounding next gen graphics really prudent at this point.

There will be real advances to graphics rendering for next gen. People should feel confident with that. But realistically, most people don't even know what they're going to be getting with all the new fancy things coming out, because no one really understands what they are. It's like the start of this gen where people were trying to talk about raster units and why one was significantly more powerful because it had more. And yes, I purposefully chose a PS4 advantage to show that it's not just one side that becomes unrealistic over the slightest of things.

[gangsta_red]

@Rainslacker

Says,

".....just so people will stop talking about how Hellblade is now the most amazing thing ever since the creation of the universe."

Then follows with,

"Not to take away from NT, or their ability, or even the game, but the hyperbole surrounding what to expect because of the trailer is beyond silly."

The only hyperbol is thinking people are somehow blowing this out of proportion and not just excited to talk about the game the same type of excitement I read when TLoU 2 was shown off, or when specs are discussed about PS5.

But for some reason there's no call to keep people from blowing those out the water and stop talking about that.

What are the more meaningful conversations you're looking for?

[rainslacker]

Really. So, the people acting like HB2 is somehow a huge win for MS, while pointing towards a 3rd party game as if that is what to expect to Sony is reasonable?

Sorry, but there are a few people here who have really went off the deep end in their efforts to hype up the game. I'm all for talking about the game. I'm all for people being excited for it. But then the console war happened, and people had to take something really good, and twist it into something stupid. Just like many exclusives, the expectations get built up to the point where they simply can't be met, and that's likely how it's going to happen here. HB was a good game, and a great experience. A trailer for a sequel to that is something exciting. Using that trailer as the first and apparently only representation of what to expect for next gen, and completely avoiding any kind of past behavior where they'd point to bullshots to discredit anything(I mean after all these years, Sony still gets criticized for the KZ2 trailer which was actually not as good as the final release), but now, HB2 is worth needing a change of underwear over.

So, that's why I wish Sony would release something. Just to bring balance, and see how it gets spun around as if it's not as good, because of some spurious reason that ultimately just makes people look even more stupid than they probably are.

Talk about the game. Fine. Talking about it as the representation of next gen and as if it's some sort of high profile AAA franchise. Hyperbole.

There is a distinct difference

[gangsta_red]

"So, the people acting like HB2 is somehow a huge win for MS, while pointing towards a 3rd party game as if that is what to expect to Sony is reasonable?"

So who are these people? And are theere so many that it upsets you this much?

I wonder where was the call for civil conversations and not to exaggerate when "those people" were saying the specs for the PS5 were going to blow everything out the hemisphere or when TLoU 2 was shown and people were proclaiming it another master piece by the Naughty Gods? Or did you accept it as just general excitement of what's to come because that is exactly what I took it as.

"but there are a few people here who have really went off the deep end in their efforts to hype up the game."

Few? I think this is what you only see and let's not kid ourselves, you don't like all this talk focused on MS or MS being in the news this much. Which is why you wish Sony would hurry up and release something.

If I remember correctly you also believed that MS purposely releases PR statements in order to steal Sonys thunder at times, which could also be viewed as hyperbole.

"Talking about it as the representation of next gen and as if it's some sort of high profile AAA franchise. Hyperbole."

Really? So there's no chance that this game can be a high profile AAA franchise? Since when was that determined?

I remember this game being the darling of the Sony crowd but now seeing a sequel and being excited of what was shown is now being turned into "hyperbole".

I think the only one over exaggerating is you. You keep saying "people" as if it was the majority then you switched to "few", but in reality it's less than that.

Don't worry, Sony will show something too and then the momentum with the comments will shift back to talking about them. And I'm sure that will make you feel better.

[Obscure_Observer]

@raislacker

You´re the one who was spreading FUD and missinformation about MS acquiring NT over a MP game and how MS would focus on GaaS on the next generation.

Now that Phil Spencer destroyed your false narrative yet again, by making Senua the poster girl for the next generation of Xbox consoles, here you are talking about hyperbole because people are excited for the game and it impressive visuals? Smh.

[rainslacker]

@Gangsta

"So who are these people"

Well....look above this comment for the worst offender. Seriously....I know you sometimes have some common sense. You don't think Obscure has gone completely crazy as of late?

Never mind....I really don't want an answer to that.

[Kaedro]

Remember Agnis Philosophy? That was running on a base PS4 but the PS4 never produced in-game visuals of that caliber. These tech-demos show what the console is capable of, but not how the in-game visuals will be. I truly hope next-gen visuals can be like this, but I'm highly doubtful.

[XVision84]

God of War and TLOU2 look much better than Agnis Philosophy to me. Agnis Philosophy was mostly just over the top particle effects.

[rainslacker]

I'd compare it to The Semaritan from Epic last gen when they were showing off UE3. That demo was on a decked out PC though, but it wasn't until into this gen that graphics came close to matching it....and in some ways, games still haven't matched it.

[Kaedro]

Exactly. I also remember that Semaritan video.

[MrVux000]

It is possible...thing is we are yet to see in-game footage from the game.

[dekke]

exactly :P

[Vithar]

that trailer legit gave me an anxiety attack, SO well done

[Yourewrong]

Perhaps in game cutscenes, but the first Hellblade was boring, repetitive match up the symbol gameplay needs to be reworked.

[TheHateTheyGive]

The 1st hellblade is boring as hell, looks good tho.

[ziggurcat]

Very impressive trailer, but it wasn't in-game or actual gameplay, so I'm not so sure if this is an accurate indication of next-gen graphics.

[masterfox]

not sure, it gave me a few chuckles with those faces she was doing.

[crazyCoconuts]

Me too. If I ever see my wife making those faces in running for the f'in door

[glenn1979]

They can i mean look at kooaalaaaa at youtube, his skill on unreal is crazy

[Terry_B]

It is featuring the amazing music of Heilung..only that counts.

[Pixelift]

It was a trailer that looked on part with trailers we saw this gen, regardless of in-engine or CGI

[TeamIcoFan]

GIVE ME THAT NEXT GEN GOODNESS.

[Segata]

Sorta but not fully. Look at the wizard demo for PS4. Look at the "in-engine" teaser for Uncharted 4 with Nathans face in the water. The Final game looked amazing but not as good as that teaser. Look at Shenmue passport talking heads. In engine but not in-game. In engine does not need to use resources needed for a full game. Not to mention that trailer was 24FPS. What happened to 4k60FPS? Final Fantasy XV did not look as good as the Luminous Engine demo. They had to account for a lot of other things.

[crazyCoconuts]

I'm kinda thinking the limiting factor for a lot of games is gonna be the amount of art and mocap/ai that will be required to continue to up the standards. All these jumps in capabilities also require more from artists. In the old days you would copy paste NPCs with limited movement and capabilities because that's all the system could handle. Now that the system can handle very realistic looking people with different looks, gaits, expressions, voices, fighting styles, etc. the expectation is that games take full advantage of it. Sounds like more and more work for game devs. Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to see it in action, but I wonder if these games will end up costing more or something ...

[TheHateTheyGive]

I Called balloks when i seen this, every next gen console released by sony or microsoft shows some breathtaking "in game" demo and it never looks like it in the end.

[Redemption-64]

Pre rendered

[PrinceOfAnger]

like uncharted 4 2014 teaser

Oh wait that was gameplay..

[Fishy Fingers]

In-engine. Which means probably reminiscent but better than in-game, as always, or they'd say in-game.

Arguing about which can do better visually is moot. They'll be pretty much identical internals. Xbox potential demo is essentially a PS5 potential demo and visa versa.

[ocelot07]

One thing I have learned from Microsoft is wait and see. I hope it turns out to be an amazing game. But ill wait until it's out and I rent it on Gamepass until I make judgement.

[Heavenly King]

If it was real time graphics they would have said that in the trailer. knowing M$ most probably it is CGI.

[SephirothX21]

For heaven's sake the trailer is not of gameplay. Any team can produce that using unreal 4 with max graphics settings and Ray tracing. The rest is up to the artists.

[Minute Man 721]

Yes. Stop hating, next gen will be fine

[HighPlayer28]

The 1st game had graphics that blew me away on my 1X so I have no doubt that trailer is close to how this game will look when it releases next gen. Microsoft is using new highly advanced tech next gen for their 1st party ips according to reports which is very smart and allowing all their studios to help each other.

[Blu3_Berry]

I'm just glad they announced a sequel to Hellblade. Besides, what truly defines next-gen power? Is it graphics, AI, physics, motion capture, or something else? There is no right or wrong answer here.

[3-4-5]

* And remember......What dev's can do mid way through and at the end of a dev cycle is better than at the beginning.

Games should only start looking better than this does eventually....imagine what games 3-4 years from now will look like once the devs have a better handle on the consoles.

[Thundercat77]

Knowing Microsoft given track, it is better to wait to see the final product before jumping to conclusions.

[LucidIllusion]

Not really. Looks great, but nothing to captivating to me.

[isarai]

Funny cause i've saying it's not real-time since the reveal and people who think they know better than someone with 14yrs experience in 3d modeling software and a bachelor's degree in game development and design wrote friggin thesus' to try and prove me wrong with their only main point being "B-But Gamspot said real-time!". So like ive been saying, impressive, and is somewhat representative of the games visuals, but not entirely representative, and waiting on gameplay for final judgment.

[william_cade]

Gameplay?

[ShadowWolf712]

Given it was a pre-rendered trailer, no. It's nicely demonstrative of what this engine is capable of when its resources and demands are controlled, but in an actual gameplay scenario, it will definitely not look this good.

It'll still look great, but not to this level.

[SugarSoSweet]

No, it isn't if you think we're going to get a game that looks like this close to launch on a mid range Navi Card you're sadly mistaken....

[Mister_G]

Was Senna's Sacrifice good? I hear it's quite short?

[Miacosa]

We really need to see actual gameplay almost any console can run a good in engine cg video today maxed out.

[thesoftware730]

That trailer is Amazing to watch! At many points it looks almost real.

Let's say it does lose some of the detail we see in this trailer, It will still look phenomenal, I think we are in for some Amazing looking games next gen.

Considering even with some of a quality drop off, it's still early gen title..we all know games look better each year of a systems lifecycle. We very well could see games with this fidelity mid gen or later.

[ScootaKuH]

Well why not? It doesn't look impossibly amazing, but looks decent

[KillBill]

Anyone saying no will likely come on here later talking up some PS5 game that looks more like a PS4 game and still call it the next best thing.

[Spenok]

It honestly surprises me people STILL don't realize what "In-Engine" means. I.E. NOT representative of GAMEPLAY footage. Sure, it will be close, but still...

[Tzuno]

it's nothing, until game-play comes out a trailer is no more than a big pile of ...things.

[Father__Merrin]

Why is the senua girl making such a stupid face

[imahustla19]

Yes. I, for one, know the PlayStation 1's power capability from Final Fantasy cinematics. /s

[Donnie81]

Lots of jelly ponies in the audience today. Yeah ps5 won’t be able to do this

[mark_parch]

I think it's pretty obvious we wont be seeing those graphics in actual gameplay but even as an in engine cut scene it's really impressive and I have no doubt the game will look incredible.

[yomfweeee]

Hellblade was one of the most overrated games of this gen. I couldn't even finish it and it is a short ass game. Yes it looks good and is something different, but you can't ignore everything else. It is a walking simulator with terrible repeated puzzles and minimal combat that is terrible as well.

[DafunkyRebel]

I mean if the PS4 could make games like Death Stranding and Horizon then you have to believe with maybe twice the power in next gen will produce something on par to the Senua trailer or more

[NextGenCeo]

It wasn`t in game or real time. 24fps pre render video means target render. Why people doing this i don`t understand.

[Da12RespectA]

Very very impressive and amazing trailer. I swear it looked like actors in a movie.