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It's Hard To Go Back To Sub-60 FPS Gaming

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bluefox7552285d ago

It really is. I can tolerate it, but it's just not as good. Some games use graphical trickery to make 30 feel smoother, but even then it's just not the same.

zb1ftw7772285d ago (Edited 2285d ago )

It's not trickery. It's frame latency aka microstutter.

Consoles in general deliver a very consistent 30fps with little or no microstuttering. It's because they are optimised as such.

PC games suffer from this due to background applications running and accessing the hard drive amongst other things.

A very smooth and consistent 30fps is much more preferable than 120fps with lots of microstutter.

It's very noticeable in driving games when you turn very sharply. Even top end PC rigs still suffer from microstutter and it's very easy to create with a simple sharp turn in any driving game.

kevnb2285d ago (Edited 2285d ago )

What you are talking about is frame pacing issues, for the most part if your hardware is up to the task and your graphics aren’t set too high you will see even frame pacing in pc games. Console games often have terrible frame pacing and sub 30 FPS, just watch a few df videos. In the past amd video cards always had much worse frame pacing then nvidia cards, these days it’s usually pretty good on both camps. You can see how cards do by looking at fcat benchmarks found in most reviews. Now what some people find is that capping to 30 FPS on pc can cause bad frame pacing depending on how you do it, but with a little research it can be done just like on console.

zb1ftw7772285d ago

No kevnb i am not taking about frame pacing.

Even with frame rate drops and no microstutter the experience is still smooth.

Research frame latency. The PC is notorious for micro freezing when background apps run and access the harddrive or rebuffer the memory.

Frame rate and frame drops have nothing to do with microstuttering.

kevnb2285d ago (Edited 2285d ago )

Bad frame pacing is stutter, I suggest looking into it. You could have frame rate drops and still have decent frame pacing, again research it and you will understand it a whole lot better. For examples of bad frame pacing in console games just check out df, there are stuttering console games released all the time.

Razzer2285d ago (Edited 2285d ago )

"A very smooth and consistent 30fps is much more preferable than 120fps with lots of microstutter."

Most PC games allow the user to lock fps some as granular as increments of 10. If a PC can achieve 120 fps then it can perform even better and more smoothly when set to 60 fps. Either way it beats the shit out of any console. Period.

If you think consoles are immune to slowdowns/stuttering then you are just kidding yourself.

bluefox7552285d ago

I was talking about things motion blur in games like Uncharted 4. Really smooths out the camera movements. Furthermore, I rarely have problems with microstuttering, and my rig isn't really "top end" I'll take 60fps over 30fps any day.

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chris2352285d ago

it is also nigh impossible to go back to sub-resolution games, but still the switch is a thing. what does this mean for this article and the overall bias that's behind gamer's mindsets? ;-) if resolution is not relevant for gaming, like the knights in shining nintendo armor don't get tired to preach, then of course subpar framerates aren't either ;-)

Razzer2285d ago

Bullshit. I will turn down resolution in favor of frame rates on my PC in a heartbeat.

But you are just trying to turn this into an anti-Switch rant. You really have no clue what you are talking about.

JOHN_DOH2285d ago

If your graphics card cant put out your monitor's native resolution it's time to upgrade. PC monitors don't upscale so it;s usually best to stick with native res. If you are having frame rate problems adjust graphical setting. Obviously having higher fps is preferable but as long as the frame rate is stable it doesn't matter unless it is sub 30 fps. If you lock fps it just means that it won't let fps go above whatever you lock it at. Locking fps doesn't mean it won't drop below. (it's used for screen tearing) Frame drops is impossible to avoid. Games like call of duty have no problems running 60 fps without drops because they can hit 200+fps (in benchmarks)

Razzer2285d ago

I’m usually happy if i can keep my rates in the 50s. Every time I start a game I start at the highest 4k settings and then start adjusting down. I use a 43” TV as a monitor so I do get some upscaling.

Ittoittosai2285d ago

I play my classic console collection all the time, in games and video where I have an options I choose 30, 60fps looks like fast forward everything move unnaturally fast and just looks off to me. Having had a chance to choose I choose 30 every time. Plus then its a cheaper price tag anyway in the over all scheme.

kevnb2285d ago

Most really old 2d games are 60fps, many early 3D games are much less and have physics tied to frame rate though.

Ittoittosai2285d ago

No there not EU titles were 50fps sometimes 30.

kevnb2285d ago

most of the world isnt the Eu

The_Sage2285d ago

I may be alone in saying this, but I hate 60fps. It gives everything a cheap soap opera look and feel. I'll be very disappointed if we ever go to that as a standard. At that point I'll have to start looking into 2 2 pulldown and spend a bunch of money so movies tv and games don't look like crap.

BrettAwesome2285d ago

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Kingdom Come Deliverance 2's Scope Was Impacted by Xbox Series S Limitations

Wccf tech writes: "Kingdom Come Deliverance 2's scope was impacted by the Xbox Series S hardware limitations, as developers could only make a game that was 25% bigger than its predecessor."

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-Foxtrot7h ago

This is the issue with things like this

Xbox Series X is apparently to MS the worlds most powerful console

However the Series S is obviously a limitation because it’s underpowered and developers have to go for parity.

So what’s the point of the world’s most powerful console if you are holding third party developers back? They aren’t going to push themselves if they have to think about the weakest console.

The issue wouldn’t be as bad if it was just Xbox but you are also affecting the PS version aswell

I think developers need to start just taking advantage of a console and if one of them can’t do X Y and Z then f*** them…why should the others suffer. What’s MS going to do? The bigger the franchise the least chance MS are going to tell them to f*** off. Baulders Gate 3 seemed to have stood their ground and suddenly their “strict” parity rule didn’t really matter. We suddenly got super optimisation efforts for the Series S that got things sorted.

anast4h ago

I agree, and the sad part is use normal folk saw it the second they announced their plans.

Abear2111m ago(Edited 9m ago)

Agree 100% this is why I didn’t want the M$ Monopoly, now PS5 version will be held back too.

If PS5 Pro comes out and Series S is still a thing it’ll be interesting what differences and what devs choose to do. Really hoping Rockstar pushes the PS5 pro with GTA6 and we get the best version possible.

LucasRuinedChildhood8h ago

More info from the author of the article, I think: https://www.reddit.com/r/ki...

Quote:
"1) I was told this info from the producer of the game Martin Klíma.
2) He specifically said the game will have only one mode.
3) And this mode is 4K 30 on PS5/XSX and 1440p 30 on XSS.
4) He said that the game is already running north of the 30 FPS cap so the performance should be stable on launch, much better than KCD1.
5) The limitation was XSS because of the 10GB memory. He said that's why they wanted to make the game 25% larger.
6) Speculation on my part: the output resolution is probably upscaled and the reason why there won't be a 60 FPS mode is because it'll most likely be very CPU heavy, like Dragon's Dogma 2 for example."

Doesn't seem like they're adding a 40fps mode on PS5/Series X for launch even if they can handle it.

Sgt_Slaughter4h ago

I'd much rather have 1440p/60fps or even 45fps. Having just one, even with the Series S in mind, is disappointing.

franwex2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Remember when xbots were adamant that the series s won’t hold back the gen?

Microsoft just needs to let go of the mandatory parity. Who cares if your grandma doesn’t understand that a game cannot be played on the S. It’s not like it she can buy you a physical game for it anyway. Before buying the game put up a notice that it only works on series X. If you’re buying for a friend-allow for a refund.

Bam. Everyone is happy. Most series s owners are for casuals that want Game Pass anyway and most likely don’t purchase most games.

If the developers want it to run on S, let them figure it out.

Jin_Sakai2h ago

“During the event, the Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 producer also revealed that on PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X, the game will run at 4K resolution and 30 frames per second“

Another “creative decision” right? 🤦‍♂️

IHateNate2h ago

Amateur hour. Very incapable developer.

Outside_ofthe_Box1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Since you're not an amateur and clearly know more than them, can you over there and help get the game running on the S without having to sacrifice their true vision. Us gamers would really appreciate you using your wisdom for good 🙏

IHateNate1h ago

Thousands of games run just fine on S.

But Kingdom Come is the game that can’t. Must be one hell of a game!

franwex5m ago(Edited 5m ago)

Thousands of games run on PS4 and on Switch. If developers want them to run on those systems. Fine. Those two platforms still get new games. Sony isn’t making studios also make a ps4 pro version, or Nintendo a wiiu version. Microsoft technically is.

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Celebrate the Diablo Anniversary with March of the Goblins

Come celebrate the 1-year anniversary of Diablo IV and the 2-year anniversary of Diablo Immortal! There are heaps of rewards to mark these celebrations with a bounty of devilish goods across both games.

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anast9h ago

This game is about to get buried by Path 2.

LordoftheCritics8h ago

Still no global chat or group finder.

The emptiest MP game ever made.

OtterX8h ago

1 more month then I can celebrate 1 year since i stopped playing and uninstalled the game.

Walalon6h ago

We are on the same team brother!

Rynxie3h ago

I uninstalled d4 after they kept screwing over the sorc build and I beat the game. I also uninstalled immortal after reading the end. I actually went back to d2r here and there.

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Tales of the Shire Stands at a Fork in the Road Regarding Magic

Tales of the Shire has many hurdles to jump to live up to the J.R.R. Tolkien masterpiece, and magical elements might be its most pertinent one.

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