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Skyward Sword Proves There is a Problem in the Gaming Industry

Opinion article on the recent controversy around Skyward Sword complaints and review scores.

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FACTUAL evidence4572d ago

Why is this guy crying about call of duty using the same formula and blahr blar blarr??? At least Skyward is in the GOTY runner up sheesh....sdfu damn...lol.

Skip_Bayless4572d ago (Edited 4572d ago )

If anything, he prooves the point why Zelda should be getting more 8.x scores instead of 9.x scores. It's the same formula on limited hardware and using unconventional controls.

He compares other games like Modern Warfare which is uncalled for because a shooter is gonna be a shooter. You can't really deviate from that on limited hardware. COD gets 8.x scores. Zelda gets 9.x scores.

NEW-AGE4572d ago

A 3Dimensional Pixelated Object

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Redempteur4573d ago

a beautifull girl to save that will eventually give you part of her powers to defeat evil in the end ?

or

the best magical damage dealer in smash bros brawl ?

Ares84HU4573d ago

Better question is:

Since when is a random persons blog gaming news???

Marquis_de_Sade4572d ago

When that persons blog is listed not under gaming news, but opinion.

Theyellowflash304572d ago

Marquis made you look stupid Ares84HU. Its and opinion not news learn to read the little bubble by the story. And he wouldn't be random if you read his blog.

Ares84HU4572d ago

Made me look stupid??? :D hahahahahahaha that's a bit harsh.

First off, this guy is a nobody from a random site. Shit like this should never be posted on N4G.com....or also known as NEWS FOR GAMERS dot com. AN opinion piece should be from someone known in the industry, a well known dev. or journalist who has an opinion about something in the industry.

Things like this "opinion" piece is draging n4g.com down.

farhad2k84572d ago

I know it's not possible, but if Zelda were to be on a higher end console or even PC, it would have had SO much more internally. The graphics would be better, gameplay would be epic, but we have to play it on a Wii.

I had a Wii once, and sold it after 5 hours. I don't want to bash on the console, so I'll leave it at that.

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jc485734573d ago

the problem is, a 7.5 in gamestop usually means 8.5 in other sites.

badz1494573d ago

it's gamespot. Gamestop would give a 10 for any game so people will buy it from them!

this is a complain over a 7.5/10? and people were bashing Sony fanboys for crying over 4/10 for Uncharted 3!

p/s: Cliff B not satisfied with a 8/10 is on a whole new level though!

jc485734573d ago

my bad. I meant to say Gamespot. Thanks for correcting.

Wenis4573d ago

Read the piece, its not about the numerical score but rather the baseless, hypocritical complaints

RedDead4573d ago

Cliff B was satisfied with it. It was blown out of proportion and twisted to make it sound like he was complaining.

RIPSKATEDESTROY4573d ago

gamespot has only given 8 games a 10 throughout their review history, gamespot is one of the few sites that still is relevant, all the others are changing but gamespot is still the most honest ones. and thats my review, oh sorry i meant opinion.

Voxelman4572d ago (Edited 4572d ago )

Uncharted fanboys got bashed for complaining about Eurogamer's "h8/10" review not the stupid 4/10 that no one really cared about because it was late review.

@ RIPSKATEDESTROY Gamespot lost all credability in the Kane & Lynch review scandal.

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lastdual4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

The real problem is that if you're going to knock a game for not changing its formula enough, you should BE CONSISTENT and apply the same standard to every game your publication reviews.

When one game gets a lower score for "lack of innovation" while other games get a free pass for the same issue, it stinks of an obvious double-standard.

Drake1174572d ago (Edited 4572d ago )

We could say the same for publications that gave zelda a 10/10 when they would severely knock other titles scores down for using the same outdated formula for 13 years. unless thats what you are implying with your comment but it seems the other way around.

Shackdaddy8364573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

First off, the people complaining are just Nintendo haters. For some reason it has all the sudden become "cool" on the internet to hate Nintendo. The game is VERY good and a couple of trolls shouldn't stop you from buying it. The gamespot reviewer isn't a Nintendo hater. He's just a douche. He has rated a lot of good games badly in the past.

Second, metacritic user reviews are probably the LAST place you should go to see what games are good. It's a place where a game gets either a 10 or a 0 and people rate based on what the current score is and how they feel like it's their responsibility to "lower/raise the average based on fairness".

one2thr4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

Wait what?..... Last time i checked no other gaming platform has any "beef" with nintendo (currently), in fact I used playing Zelda way back, but now Im just a PS3/PC guy now..... And if it means anything I have and play The Minnish cap on my phone...... That damn cloud board is confusing

Bigpappy4573d ago

This is not news. The writer is complaining about a review score from one site. He has a proble with 7.5 but would not have a problem with 8, while admiting he has only a few hours of play.

This is pointless fanboy crying. Look at any great game, and you could find a review much lower than 7.5.

Celeras4573d ago

Doesn't mean his point isn't spot on. The same site critiquing Skyward Sword for lack of innovation on the "old Zelda formula" gave Modern Warfare 3 an 8.5. Think about how absurd that is.

TheFirstClassic4573d ago

Yeah five cod games in the past four years compared to five (3D) zelda games in in the past thirteen years. Zelda has had more changes than cod also.

humbleopinion4573d ago

And they are absolutely right in that regards:
In the past 5 years, we've seen the COD formula enhanced and evolved much more than the Zelda formula.
Think about it: in 2006 we had COD3 and now in 2011 we have Modern Warfare 3 - That's the same timeframe between Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.
Now try heading back to COD3 and see how vast of an improvement MW3 is: How much the visual stlye evolved, how much the gameplay was tweaked, how many more modes and enhancements were added.

Sure, some if not most of this new stuff can be attributed to the first Modern Warfare, but we did also see many improvements since then like the spec-ops mode (not to mention that in recent years COD formula tends to be much more criticized in the media than the 25 years old formulatic Zelda - just check out the many reviews). You can't blame COD series for having incremental improvements between each yearly title when the end result is a much bigger improvement overall in the course of 5 years compared to Zelda.

Also, between 2006 and 2011 pumped out 7(!) games based on the Zelda franchise. Sure, some of them were spinoffs and remakes but nonetheless Zelda games are being pushed in our faces not less than COD games - we have the simple option not to buy both franchises if we don't like this.

theonlylolking4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

MW3 is better than all of the zelda games combined. 7.5 is not a bad rating so this guy is obviously a fanboy if he complains for a game that has that high of a rating.

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DNAbro4573d ago

@humbleopinion

uhh no, the CoD formula has not been changed since CoD4. There was a huge leap from CoD3 to 4, but don't try to say there was a huge innovation from any of the game beyond that.

Drake1174572d ago

The amount of Zelda games that have come out since ocarina of time compared to the amount of call of duty games that have come out is completely irrelevant in regards to peoples complaints with zelda being un-innovative and outdated. People aren't saying omg they keep coming out with zelda games and they are exactly the same every year. People are complaining that, other than art style and graphics, zelda really hasn't really brought anything new to the table in the 13 years since ocarina. The story is almost exactly the same as every zelda game before it, you still have to stop every 2 mins and read long drawn out cutscenes that feel like they are from the year 2000 or earlier, the gameplay mechanics (other than using the wii to slash things), doing things for people, solving the same types of puzzles, collecting the exact same items in the exact same dungeons literally makes me feel like im playing a gamecube or n64 title.

chadboban4572d ago

@drake117
Well you are fully entitled to your opinion, but to say every Zelda involves "solving the same types of puzzles, collecting the exact same items in the exact same dungeons" is pretty ignorant. Although I will say that Zelda's 3D camera control definitely feels stuck in the past, make the damn camera completely controllable Nintendo!

Drake1174572d ago

@chadboban
Oh please. Right now in Skyward sword im running around the faron woods(yep the same exact name as the woods from the last zelda game). I just got the slingshot(the first item that i got in every zelda b4 it) Im about to go into the sky temple even though it has nothing to do with the sky and is essentially the grass temple. I will kill spiders dangling from webs, i will prob have to hit some crystal or eyeball with an item i get which will open some door and ill have a certain amount of time to go through the door b4 it closes. Oh and guess what the place i go to after that is the eldin volcano(yet again same name and place as last zelda) oh and there ill be going through the fire temple. Sorry but ignorant my a**.

humbleopinion4571d ago

@DNAbro:
There was nothing revolutionary since COD4, but there were a lot of incremental gameplay improvements: killstream system, spec ops mode, etc. You can't make a revolution EVERY year.

And with each incremental innovation it still heads forward slowly but surely, and this puts it overall way ahead of Zelda when you compare the differences between 2006 COD/Zelda and 2011 COD/Zelda. Where's my co-op Zelda experience for example?

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BinaryMind4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

Yeah, the article really had me going until he started whining about that one 7.5 review. Utterly pointless. Wake me up when the world makes a game that every single person in the universe loves to death because then reviews will be useless.

Knuxxx4572d ago (Edited 4572d ago )

@ humble opinion

I think your opinion on tLoZ is outdated or you need to look into those games alone. if you've only played OoT and TP then yeah you'd be right. HOWEVER since there's more than just those two, lets re-adjust your statement, shall we?

"Now try heading back to COD3 and see how vast of an improvement MW3 is: How much the visual stlye evolved, how much the gameplay was tweaked, how many more modes and enhancements were added. Sure, some if not most of this new stuff can be attributed to the first Modern Warfare, but we did also see many improvements since then like the spec-ops mode (not to mention that in recent years COD formula tends to be much more criticized in the media than the 25 years old formulatic Zelda - just check out the many reviews). You can't blame COD series for having incremental improvements between each yearly title when the end result is a much bigger improvement overall in the course of 5 years compared to Zelda. " - True, your statement holds water. And since you say yourself a majority of improvements are from the first MW, I'm not going to beat a dead horse. You were good up until you said that last bit. Not true.

LoZ is an action adventure series, specifcally, a dungeon-crawler, so expect the usual "do x to open Y door" but where nintendo it REALLY good is about changing how its players play and challenging them with a new theme of play with each release. Lets go down the list, shall we?

-Ocarina of Time (1998) - the theme of that is using the ocarina to manipulate the surroundings and go back and forth between two time periods
-Majora's Mask (2000) - (probably the least innovative of the series) expands on the manipulation of time via the ocarina, but on a larger scale. Also uses masks as well
-Wind Waker (2003) introduces the use of a boat and the manipulation of the wind to navigate around the overworld, and instead of the horse everyone was so accustom to they introduced a boat.
-Twilight Princess (2006) - You switch back and forth between the realm of twilight and normal world, to get around you would switch between playing in a wolf form of your normal human form
-Skyward Sword (2011) introduced fully integrated motion controls and even though I have not played it, if the many many zelda spinoffs are something to go by, I am willing to bet it's just as good and challenging as the previous titles

So really, WHICH series made more improvements?

chadboban4572d ago

@drake117
There is no Eldin Volcano in Twilight Princess, it's Eldin Province, although you are right about Faron Woods. Betcha the next location has the same name and place as twilight princess as well. Amirite? (it doesn't)

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svoulis4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

Doesn't make him a douche, it makes his opinion not agreed upon with others.

Guess what, in the end he is the one who gets paid to play the game (not you whiny fanboys). He is the one who can say whatever he wants on that site cause he works for.

People need to grow up and just do what we did back before all these websites mattered.

BUY THE GAME IF YOU F#$KIN LIKE IT.

STOP TAKING OPINIONS SO LITERAL!! They are no more than opinions. His opinion is justified by his complaints and that's all that matters to him. He thinks it's too much like Twilight Princess, and games before it. He also thinks the controls take him out of the element when they screw up. Both easily justifiable from an opinion standpoint. Do yourselves a favor; Be a Zelda fan, and play Zelda games. Just because you would give it a 10 doesn't mean everyone else will.

-_-

Please do me a favor fanboys if you Disagree with what I am saying. Tell me why and stop being butthurt.

Death_Grin484573d ago

The problem is not the score, but how he was playing the game. He didn't know how to play the game right, and it's that one thing that made his whole review lose its credibility.

This guy is not a douche, but he is very ignorant.

memots4573d ago

Same could have been said about almost every Lair review. I played the game how it was meant to be played and understood the control and it worked.

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Knuxxx4572d ago

It's not that motion controls are complicated, it's that they're not advanced enough for them to be truly immersive. The most basic example I can give you is the DBZ tenkaich series on wii. They tried, but the fighting with wiimote motions was too laggy or unresponsive. True there is some amount of learning curve but overall, the hardware just can't emulate what and how we want it to be

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Nintendo Has Acquired Shiver Entertainment From Embracer Group

Nintendo Has Acquired Shiver Entertainment From Embracer Group

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Profchaos8d ago

Great news it shows that Nintendo intends to continue developing ports of AAA games to its next gen platform

H98d ago

Buying studios from embracer now is a great deal, they must be dirt cheap at this point, Nintendo is a opportunist, they wait until someone fall so they get their best deal

OtterX7d ago

That is some serious brain gymnastics you have going on there. 🤔

H97d ago

I didn't do any gymnastics I can assure you, honestly I don't know why you think that, not hating I seriously don't see why you think that

ZeekQuattro7d ago

Yeah I don't know where that came from. It's rare for Nintendo to flat out aquire studios. Guess they were trying to be edgy but why flex on this studio. 🤣

Kneetos6d ago

At least they are safer from layoffs with Nintendo then any other company

banger888d ago

I hope someone buys Piranha Bytes, their future isn't looking good right now. I love their RPGs, they're janky as f***, but they have heart and soul.

Relientk777d ago

Nintendo saw the Mortal Kombat 1 Switch port and were like, "Yeah, these guys are worth acquiring."

You can't make this crap up lol

Profchaos7d ago

Mortal Kombat 1 was never going to port well I'm sure they told wb it wasn't going to work but wb wants that sweet sweet 140 million install base

In the end wb approved the project cleared the milestones and allowed the product to release

SonOfOsiris7d ago

Yeah this guys ported MK11 which is great, Hogwarts Legacy which is great, and MK1 is now ok, play it every day

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Game Developers Have Begun Confirming Nintendo Switch 2 Support

Game developers have already started to confirm that they will support the Nintendo Switch 2 with their future titles.

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How Many More Victims, Like Garry's Mod, Will Nintendo's Hurtful Crusade Create?

Hanzala from eXputer: "As Nintendo takes out 20 years' worth of stuff from Garry's Mod, I watch in shock, thinking why it continues to hurt and discourage its fans."

RiseNShine25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

The irony that some of the most disgusting business practices come from companies like Disney or Nintendo, i can't even begin to understand what terrible damage was Garrys Mod making to Nintendo bottom line, imho they're getting pretty nervous about where they're heading in the future, handhelds are no longer something exclusive to Nintendo, from Steam Deck to many others, now you can play the latest games and pay a fraction of the price on Steam sales, so it's up to their exclusives, which just on their own would make hard to justify purchasing a closed overpriced hardware with outrageous price policies (Super Mario Odyssey is still 60 euro 6 years later!), and as a home console they're always underperforming compared to Sony or Xbox.

gold_drake24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

i cam guarantee you, that their exclusives alone is what drives switch sales. they sell in the 10s of millions of copies.

nintendo created their franchises to be sort of nostalgia driven, exclusive only on nintendo.

people will always buy the pkmn games as they always bring in new younger fans amd is family friendly

mario kart, the same thing, mario games in general.

zelda games are system sellers. animal crossing for the casual gamers.

nintendo doesnt need third vame devs essentially. they made sure with the switch and the limitations that they looked more to pc ps and xbox.

its sad, but nintendo is more than fine with what they're doing. they positioned themselves to appeal to the more casual gamers.

but to your point, im not sure why they're doing this rly.

Inverno24d ago

Look at how they handled Nintendo games being streamed or uploaded on YouTube in the past. They killed Yuzu and Citra even when they had nothing to do with ToTK being leaked, not to mention it was basically unplayable on emulation the week it was leaked. Smash Bros tournament, that was fairly recent. They shut down their online services without any care for purchases made. I bought a switch after skipping their last 2 consoles and handhelds but I don't plan on buying anything Nintendo in the future. They take things to the extremes, they legitimately hate their fans. They're honestly right up there with the likes of Acti, EA, and Ubi, only difference is that they disguise themselves as being family friendly all the while being shady.