L4D DLC pricing not Valve's decision

Valve's Chet Faliszek has told Eurogamer that upcoming downloadable Left 4 Dead 1 expansion Crash Course costs money on Xbox Live because Microsoft insisted upon it.

[Pandamobile]

I told you guys the same thing like a month ago when it was announced.

http://n4g.com/NewsCom-3742...

[Feral Gamer]

Well, this article was published today. Furthermore the L4D1 was a direct copy from Eurogamer. But I changed to make you happy. As for a better picture, I can't find the funny ones that everyone else around here has, but I found a Left 4 Dead. When I submitted the article, I only had moments before someone else would've stumbled across it and so I was in a hurry :(

I'm new here so give me a break, please. I don't know where people get fun pix and I thought you're supposed to directly copy the original titles.

*EDIT*
Yay my first approved story!

[Pandamobile]

I didn't mean this was a dupe or anything. But it's been known for years Valve's stance on paid DLC. I had to try to quiet a sh1t-storm in that thread from a month ago with articles where Valve said that they'd never charge for DLC if they had the choice and that the price was MS's doing.

(also approved)

[evrfighter]

I also remember that article. This is from an interview by Doug Lombardi where he said he would like Valve's DLC to be free. (This was a LONG time ago btw)

"We contacted Valve to clarify and their VP of marketing Doug Lombardi informed us that, "The platform holder owns the final call." So just as we'd suspected, whether or not we see these maps for free is indeed up to Sony and Microsoft"

[The-Warranty]

Sucks for 360 owners. But its M$ we shouldn't be surprised.

[cmrbe]

as i said then. The fact that its free on PC and not on the x360 means that Valve is not behind it. If Valve wanted to charge for the DLC they would have charged for the PC as well.

MS has a standard to set for xboxlive as it is a closed system unlike PSN.

[butterfinger]

It's sort of weird how Sony still charges us the same for pretty much every map pack then, huh? Are you suggesting that Sony doesn't need to charge for these things, but they do anyway just because MS does? I can't think of a single item on the store that is a better deal on PSN than it is on XBL.

[Finalfantasykid]

Its up to the developer. Games like UTIII have free just about everything, and Sony had no problem with this.

Here Valve wanted the DLC to be free, but MS would not hear it, and forced there to be a price. If L4D were on the PS3, that DLC would probably be free.

[cmrbe]

Sony allows more freedom on PSN the example as FinalantsyKid pointed out. As you said pretty much but not all. Its is one of the disadvantage of a closed standardize systems. On the flip side, dev are held to standards such as universal cross-game chat etc etc.

[raztad]

It's simple.

MS hates free stuff and force developers to charge for it, why to give something for free if the fanbase will gladly pay for it, even if it's free elsewhere?

[butterfinger]

I went ahead and reported your comment as offensive. You clearly can't make a point in the Gamer Zone without having to call someone a name. As for the point you attempted to make, The Joker deal was an exclusive deal with Sony in an effort to sell more copies of the PS3 version. You used possibly the stupidest example, and then you couldn't come up with anything else. You should attempt to look outside of the console you worship once in a while.

[Mu5afir]

The joker content might be exclusive, but that doesn't mean it's not FREE. Keep in mind, Microsoft will never allow anything that is FREE on the PS3 to be on the X360 at ALL. Take for example any Unreal T mods. Their principle is to charge for content, allowing free content would be out of the question. Therefore they would rather not allow any content at all.

[ThanatosDMC]

What about the Steam version?

[fusionboxer]

The joker content was just one example that he used. Sure it might've been an attempt to gain more sales, but instead of Sony paying for the DLC on top of charging gamers to purchase the game (like Microsoft did with GTA), Sony got it and gave it to gamers for free. The same thing happened with Mirrors Edge.

The psn's open network also allows devs to play around with the infrastructure of their network supplying better online experiences in some very specific cases. Look at Killzone, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, Resistance 2, and the upcoming MAG for some examples of some very different online infrastructures that all work wonders for each of their fanbases.

Take notice of a very cool trend forming on the PSN. Rather then nickel and diming users for DLC, games like Unreal Tournament, Little Big Planet, and the upcoming Modnation racers are setting up foundations that provide a limitless amount of DLC to gamers for absolutely no cost at all. Devs are also being given tools to create spaces for Playstation Home where the devs can easily use assets from their games to create home spaces that provide a fun place for home users to hang out and a great place to advertise for developers. I've even heard that Sony provides templates for devs that don't have the same budget to create a huge space. A perfect example of this is the Fat Princess home space, which used a past space, but with the devs in game assets they just threw some stuff in to customize it a bit.

In reality when you look at the differences between xbox live and the psn, you can see immediate differences in each of the companies respective goals. Whereas Microsofts main focus is clearly on keeping gamers together, Sony's goals are somewhat clouded in mystery because things like cross game chat have yet to be released. Many consider it a weak point, but in other cases you have dedicated servers (unlike live) that are capable of hosting upwards of 250 players in a single map (ex: MAG) with little to no lag in certain cases.

If you want proof that things can be a better deal on PSN then Live then simply go back to the moment you paid for Live and then had to pay for DLC. The PSN's main draw is that it remains free and yet you can get the same DLC and similar features for the same price as gamers who pay that subscription fee.

For example:
Say I want to have a beer. I can pay a 20 dollar cover charge to get into this club and buy a beer or I can go into this bar for free and get my beer.

The beers the same at both places, but in one you pay to get in and the other you don't. It's actually really simple. The only difference is that in the club you'll feel more "exclusive", but unfortunately you'll realize real quick it's only a feeling.

[Shepherd 214]

ooooo ahhhh, its the big bad MS Corporation who defines pure evil and sucks dry the souls of men. Its a business, MS wants a bigger paycheck like everyone else in this world and they know they can do it because people will buy the L4D DLC.

If you owned your own small business, you would do anything and everything thats not illegal or immoral to get the local consumer to spend more at your store. MS charging for DLC is not illegal, nor is it immoral since its a year after L4D's launch, its MS's product, and they can do what they want with THEIR product. And if people want to buy it, whats wrong with it? MS isnt forcing anyone to buy DLC for a year old game. Get in touch with reality people. MS isnt duping anyone except for the sorry loser bags that are wasting their time on this site crying about it or criticizing it.

[Winter47th]

Paying for LIVE isn't justified if they force their consumers to pay for supposed free content too. Thanx Microsoft.

[Saaking]

Wow MS ripping off the bots as usual. And yet you guy still defend them.

[Pandamobile]

Poor guys having to pay for free content on top of their $60 annual fee.

[Pandamobile]

Hey man, don't knock L4D. L4D is awesome (on the PC).

And FYI the campaigns are supposed to be about an hour long. It's a multiplayer game. 3 hours campaigns would be stupid.

[Saaking]

L4D offers a LOT more on PC with mods and free DLC. The bots get screwed as always and they keep coming back for more.

[butterfinger]

is obviously a lot better on PC, but it you guys continue to look ignorant everytime you try to act like a year of XBOX Live costs $60. Also, Left 4 Dead is actually only $29.99 for the 360 AND the PC. It's pretty sad to see all of you so desperate to misinform.

http://www.gamestop.com/Cat...
http://www.gamestop.com/Cat...
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@ICY - Yeah, $10, everyone of you dumbasses makes a big deal about paying $4.16 per month for Live, but now $10 extra isn't a big deal. I'm not surprised.

Yes, you are a dumbass. I'm not making a big deal out of it, I am stating the facts unlike %90 of the fanboys (like yourself) in here. If you don't think $10 is a big deal, then good for you, but apparently PS3 fanboys are so strapped for cash that they can't afford to pay $4.16 per month for a better online service. It doesn't really matter what you say, the facts have been presented and the morons have been corrected.

Interestingly enough, dumbass, I gave links and stated facts. I didn't have to give an opinion. My only opinion is that you are a dumbass, and you support that with every line you type.

Are you sure my opinion doesn't matter to you? You sure do feel the need to continue to respond and get defensive. It's pretty pathetic, really. :)

[IcyJoker187]

ummm Ok 10 dollars difference.

Dumbasses? I'm not talking about the live price here being 60 bucks, I'm saying that 60 dollars annually and 50 dollars annually isn't the big deal your making it.

Edit**OK whatever you say, good thing your opinion hardly matters to me.

Yeah thats what I mean and once again your opinion hardly matters to me.

Yeah your right your hurting my feeling, please stop, meaningless people on the internet always get to me T_T

[spongeboob]

The bots will be paying beyond while we will be playing beyond.

[butterfinger]

you can't stop replying, Icy. Mission accomplished. You officially can't stop yourself from being irritated and having to respond. lmao XD

Lol. You clearly can't help yourself. My main objective is to just sink you down further and further, making you look as stupid as the imaginary internet people you look down upon. It's so much fun! All of your replies are so incredibly predictable!

No, no, no, Icy. You are making YOURSELF look stupid. I'm just helping you along. Do you honestly want to be the person that couldn't stop talking to me all night? If so, then let's continue! I'm sure you will regardless.

OK, so since you wish to talk to me all night long; how was your day today (maybe this will elicit a less predictable response, but I doubt it)?

[IcyJoker187]

Responding means I'm irritated? Whoa.

You think your making me look stupid? Yikes.

[IcyJoker187]

"No, no, no, Icy. You are making YOURSELF look stupid" Uh oh

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Poor droids don't have Left 4 Dead, go join another PC petition maybe it will work this time.

[trancefreak]

Im fairly sure left 4 dead is still $59.99 usd on the 360 where as the pc version Game of the Year is $29.99 for pc. I have the pc steam version without killing the wallet.

Most peeps i play on steam with dispise consoles and much prefer pc based games.

I like a variety so I own them all but i wont pay for subcription access to a multiplayer game when i can get the better pc version with free steam online mplayer.

I wonder if left 4 dead was on psn if those very same map packs would be free @ the request of the dev/Valve. I betting they would of been!

[butterfinger]

I'm pretty sure I provided links to PROVE that Left 4 Dead (GOTY edition) is only $29.99 on 360 AND PC. How stupid/blind can you be? Do you just openly choose to not accept facts, because you don't like them? That's just sad.

[trancefreak]

@Butter finger:

Thanks im glad the price came down too didnt see ur link earlier but thats a great deal now.

The next 360 game I buy will be the exclusive halo 3 odst. Just like with sony ill be getting uncharted 2 and keeping games such as l4d on the pc.

Thanks for the correction though

[Saaking]

Why does MS hate free stuff so much? I don't get it, we already pay for XBL and they STILL put ads and STILL insist on charging for everything even if the developer doesn't want to. That's just sad.

[cmrbe]

they must keep.

[Saaking]

standards? You mean ripping off customers?

[cmrbe]

is a standardize closed system. They have set standards for everything including pricing for DLC.

[Troll-Killer]

...this is how MS maintains an edge on their competitor(s). They charge for LIVE....but it gives them an edge on Sony...and Nintendo...because they offer a better online package because of it. They charge for (most) DLC, but they also get the best content for their customers because of that extra $$, like exclusive...or timed-exclusive...content, and better quality multiplatform treatment across the board. They also use that $$ to support a LIVE infrastructure that GUARANTEES certain things for their customers, that Sony can't/doesn't provide, such as free demos for ALL XBLA TITLES, and mandatory LIVE features across all releases on their platform.

[trancefreak]

Troll killer pls psn rocks and i have 2 copies of l4d on my 2 different steam accounts which are free(steam accounts) and so is the dlc + the mods.

I refuse to pay for a subscription based game portal on my 360 when I can get so much more on my pc ps3 for free access. Only games on my 360 I play are non multiplayer. The rest are on steam or psn. I prefer psn way more than xbox live and the 50 dollar price tag isnt worth it to me or justified to be in the exclusive gold club annually. also

Compared to sonys psn Micro is way out of control with nickel and dimeing its cutomers. No thanks Ms until your game portal is free ill steer clear of xbl.

Its funny though how most pc expansions are free compared to its console counter parts and compile that on top of a 50 dollar gold card wow why would people pay all that money? just to game online.

If xbl was free It would be much more appeasing.

[artsaber]

Microsoft can just keep piling on sand, glue, and broken glass to that strap on and loyal 360 fans will take it up their rear ends with the smile of a jester and with the pride of a wounded soldier @ war.

Everytime a 360 fan pays a premium price for Online gaming, exhorbantly priced accessories (hdd and wifi), etc. They butt f*k the rest of the gaming community while saluting like a cross-eyed Golmer Pyle.

Die-hard 360 fans are a DISEASE to gaming, because they never stand up for themselves, or any other gamer for that matter. They accept piss poor hardware quality, and defend it as if their very lives depended upon it. If Microsoft has a legion of loyal rape-takers, why would they EVER offer anything for free, hell they don't even want to give a DISCOUNT.

As long as Microsoft's shady practices are defended by the masses they will NEVER improve, seek to improve, etc. Ironically, the only REAL reason they EVER made a price drop was due to the rivalry that all Microsoft fans hate... the PS3. How does that make you guys feel? The fact that Microsoft dropped the 360's price TWICE for the PS3, and not ONCE for a single soul who logs on to XBL?

You may now slit your wrists.

[Faztkiller]

Bungie has said this dozens of times. they had to call cold storage part of the legendary pack to give it out for free

[Obama]

No wonder Bungie separated itself from MS, knowing the nature of the devil.

[Faztkiller]

I know i've said this a thousand times but i believe the only reason bungie is making these two new halo is to buy halo ip from M$

[Rob0g0rilla]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

"We want to make it free, but Microsoft doesn't like giving things out for free," Blow wrote.

[butterfinger]

grasping at straws today. This article is clearly in the Xbox 360 section, yet we don't have a single person in here that plays it on the XBOX. Just a bunch of the usual trolls that don't even know what they are talking about, using their multiple accounts to agree with each other and bubble each other up. The ones that spend more time on N4G than their PS3 or PC. It's hard to come across actual gamers on New 4 Gamers anymore.

[Shadow017]

If you wanted actual gamers on "News 4 gamers" sent you're ass to gamer zone it's to the left.

[IcyJoker187]

I find it funny you think the majority of people on here do that.

[butterfinger]

you are confirming that there are no actual gamers in the Open Zone? That's funny, because those same morons are in the Gamer Zone, so I guess it's easy to see that the entire site is full of little trolls that can't handle having an honest discussion of pros and cons of certain games/systems/etc.

Also, Icy, everyone knows that majority of the people commenting on this article are just trolls. Even the trolls themselves should know this.

[Mo0eY]

Open Zone is for tards, bots, and droids ONLY. Either put up or shut the f-ck up.

On topic:

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHhAhA, Milkcroshaft strikes again!

[Saaking]

I'm tired of guys like this coming into the open zone acting all high and mighty. If you don't like it, that's what the gamerzone is so goodbye and good day.

[butterfinger]

that you think I'm "high and mighty", Saaking. I'm also tired of f*cktards like yourself trolling in 360 articles and spamming the Gamer Zone with your bullsh!t and flat-out lies. I guess no one ever taught you that you should know your enemy before going into battle, because you surely don't know sh!t about an XBOX360 or any of its games.

Lol. The lack of intelligence on the main site is alarming. It's as if every gamer with the least amount of education was instructed by Sony to join N4G and spread the word about how great the almighty PS3 is. The same arguments are always made, then they run out of facts to compete with, so they result to questioning the other's personal life.

Cmrbe - There is no fun in this Zone. There are just a bunch of little kids circle jerking each other around a PS3. Now you may go back to defending the PS3 in the Gamer Zone and everywhere else on N4G as you normally do. That is your job isn't it?

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean for you to think that I was grumpy. lol. I just don't see the need to troll in news for a console that I hate, and then proceed to make comments about why that console sucks. You apparently think it is very important that you do so, because you can't seem to help yourself (even when you don't know what you're talking about, or are trying to convey your message in a backhanded manner). The funniest part is how you say you're not a fanboy. How could I be grumpy with jokes like that floating around all day?

[Saaking]

When have I ever lied in the gamerzone? And I said you acted all high and mighty because you definitely aren't.

[Mo0eY]

Damn, Butterfingers, you need to get laid. Calm down. It's all in sport (well, most of it - 54.2% of the consoles have RRoDed you know).

[cmrbe]

butthurt oops i mean butterfinger. Go buy yourself a sense of humor. You are in the "FUNZONE" you tool.

Haha. And what is your job?. Being a grumpy old man?. You need to chill out. No one takes any of this stuff seriously. If you do then i really do feel sorry for you.

[itsralf]

lol @butterfinger for typing out these long-ass replies and still getting owned by everyone else using one or two sentences.

[butterfinger]

Just another PS3 fanboy posting in a 360 thread, supporting other PS3 fanboys. The sad thing is that any intelligent person wouldn't want to be stuck having to support these morons day in and day out. By picking a team, you picked the wrong team, kid.

[trancefreak]

Butterfinger theres nothing wrong with your 360 and playing left 4 dead on it. Its just clearly obvious Ms is ripping you off. If you enjoy getting milked thats up too you.

This is the very reason I bought left 4 dead on pc + I knew my pc version would benefit from savings, superiority all the way down to mods and free content.
I also prefer valve games on pc Ive been gameing on steam prior to this gen of consoles since hlf2 was released or sometime after that.

[Mo0eY]

First Halo ODST, now this... But but but the 2009 lineup!

[IDetonation]

Watch ODST outsell UC2. :]

[Cherchez La Ghost]

The question is?! Will people pay for this since L4D2 will be dropping in the next couple of months?!

[I am Legend]

That's what I'm saying. I'm just moving on to the next one. Every now and again going back to the first one.

[nighthawk3729]

I still can't believe anyone would think the first DLC wasn't just required content they never finished. Fine, whatever the hell last stand is, they could have added that later. But as for the 2 versus maps? WTF?! They owed us that! It's part of the basic package! You don't get a big pat on the back for doing whats expected of you! They didn't need to have the survival mode packaged with it, they could have released it later and that would have been fine. How easily are people swayed?!

I'm all for vavle, but he says in the article that after their first dlc, oh, I don't know, required content anyway, Microsoft nudged them.

[Pandamobile]

The first DLC pack introduced a new game mode with like 18 map variations ALONG with the two other VS campaigns.

[Raoh]

based on the way it was stated.. giving things out for free on microsofts paid to play network LIVE, would under value paying for GOLD access..

why bother if you get the content free and on time.. then the masses would uproar about bringing down the price of GOLD or doing away with it..

but if they can charge for everything.. then its a premium service and premium services are worth paying for..

suckers..

[Knightofelemia]

Now if I were Valve I would grow a set of balls tell Microsft where to go its my game I'll decide wether the addon is free or not you want your cut well I am developing for Sony. Easy as that Microsoft dictating to developers will start pushing business the other way. The DLC better great for me to dust off the game and drop the points on Marketplace.

[Pandamobile]

Valve doesn't develop exclusively for Microsoft. But Valve's game engine isn't designed to run on the PS3, so that's not going to happen. Valve would go back to PC exclusives.

[ZombieAutopsy]

Is anyone suprised, valve likes to support games without making you pay more. Valve are actually pretty good devs when it comes to support (on pc anyways).

[Pandamobile]

Valve are the best :)

[LostCypher11]

I hate the Love/hate Relationship I seem to have with microsoft.

[DarkTower805]

This is why I stick with Sony.

[P_Bomb]

In less time than it took you to report 'thewhoopimen' (when one could just as easily report you for instigating) I went to the PS Store and found 2 free map packs for Resistance: FOM, free skins for Resistance 2, a free map pack for Haze, free skins for Motorstorm, a TON of free stuff for LBP, free time trial for Mirror's Edge, free map pack for Unreal Tourny 3, free bonus missions/charachters for Naruto, I could also bring up the free copy of 'Rag Doll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic" they were giving away (a $9.99 value) on the US PSN Store the other month, but I digress.

Map packs on PSN aren't all "pretty much the same" either as you erroneously stated. Quantum of Solace's map pack is cheaper than Killzone 2's which is itself cheaper than COD: W@W's which is itself cheaper than Burnout Paradise Big Surf Island.

[butterfinger]

they were the same I was implying that in relation to the 360's map packs for the same games, but you would have to own more than one system to know that. Also, you didn't find one multiplatform game that had free DLC on the PSN and not Live to prove anything against what I said. Didn't it occur to you that I can find free Halo 3 or Gears map packs? How intelligent do you have to be to figure these things out?

[XDF]

"I like to try all sorts of games and enjoying playing almost all genres. I own a PS3 and a 360. I admit that I prefer the PS3 and I only play online on the PS3; however I also appreciate the 360 and all of it's great games.I recently got a wii as well."

What he meant to say is:

"I like to try all sorts of games with the SONY label on it and enjoying playing games that are not from Microsoft. I own an Atari 2600, a Pokemon Gameboy Color and a PS3 and pretend to own a 360. I admit that I prefer the PS3 and I only play online on the PS3 by myself and my imaginary 14 N4G Accounts because there are hardly anyone to play with on PSN; however I also appreciate the 360 and all of it's great games that I pretend to hate, but I sold my soul to Sony and I am their Biaaccchhh. I recently got a wii as well so I can play the new Hannah Montana game with the Wiimote.

[wxer]

what dose this got to do with the topic ??

you must feel really ripped off
oh well
Microsoft loves sucking blood

[waitandsee]

While you droids spend most of your time bending over for kaz and Co. giving each other reach-arounds, propping each other up on this site. Wipe that from your lips.

[wxer]

someone is really butthurt because hes getting ripped off by hes beloved M$
lol
yah well
stand by Microsoft
let them rip you
its okay to pay for online and overpriced accessories and DLC's that ppl get for free

you bots really love it in the @SS

edit:
too bad im out of bbls
LOL

[wxer]

so if i wana play this game
1- i have to buy it = 60$
2- i have to pay for online = 50$
3- i have to pay for DLC's (free on PC ) = 10$
60+50+10 = 120$

now if this is not a rip-off then what the f*ck it is ????
oh well
the bots gona spin it of course lets se that they come up with

[IDetonation]

Your wrong. :]

Game: 30$ [unless you already have the game. Chances are you do]
Online: Free[48 hour trial comes with game] Get your facts straight.
DLC: 10$
30+10 = 40$
Why would you buy this game just for this DLC?

Oh, DLC.. Ive never played this game but i'll buy it and the DLC for it, and upgrade to gold membership just to do so.
That's what your implying in your retarded rant.

"the bots gona spin it of course lets se that they come up with"
How can they come up with something against that?
Your argument is so retarded, it kinda goes against itself.

[wxer]

spinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn baby spiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnn

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[IDetonation]

Somebodys mad. :]

[butterfinger]

is that all of these stupid PS3 kids are the only ones complaining about paying for XBOX Live. I've never seen a single XBOX360 owner complain about paying for Live. Most XBOX360 owners are happy to pay a premium for a quality online service, but PS3 fanboys would never understand that as they are too busy begging Sony for cross game voice chat still. I'll go ahead and pay $4/month for XBOX Live, and I'll be able to talk to all of my friends at once no matter what game we're playing without having to spend more than that $4 using my cell phone to call around trying to set up a game. Then we have dumbasses like wxer over here who like to spin numbers themselves, but then accuse others of doing it when they are telling the truth. Left 4 Dead is $29.99 on the PC and the 360, moron. It DOES come with a free 2 day trial, and the DLC isn't even $10, it's closer to $7. I guess PS3 fanboys have too many overpriced blu rays to be able to afford $7 DLC or $4/month for an online service?

[IDetonation]

wxer is a complete retard and needs to get his facts straight.
Well i kind of expect it..
He only owns a Ps3. I think.

Just to prove a point:
http://www.amazon.com/Left-...

[waitandsee]

LOL some of you (e.g Suckling) spend more time here slagging ohe 360 you have no time to play with your PS3. Not suprising, as droid do not buy their exclusives.Hence why they end up in the bargin bin a few months after release.

[wxer]

actually
most of us playing our PS3 while we're in here

all i have to do
pause my game
hit the PS button
start up my web browser on my PS3
check what's new
make some comments
and then back to my game

i do this alot of times

[butterfinger]

you could use the PS3's web browser to do that, but it so slow that it would never be worth it to just pause a game to do so. Of course, it's no surprise that you are just completely full of sh!t.

[butterfinger]

It's interesting that you would make up some post from me like that. Of course, it's not where to be found in my past comments or anywhere. Were you so hurt after I proved you wrong the other day with facts that now you have to chase me around in 360 articles attempting to get my attention? That's pretty pathetic of you. I'm sure I can make up some ridiculous post from you if I wanted to, but alas, I have better things to do with my time... like provide facts to shut down your stupid arguments. lol.

PS. Why is it OK for Apolypse Shadow to post such incredibly offensive things in the Gamer Zone? I got banned for calling someone a moron, yet we have to be subjected to this ridiculous language? The mods just continue to show how great they are.

[P_Bomb]

Yet you continue to instigate yourself and use names. Reporting goes both ways you know, to borrow one of your lines, "how intelligent do you have to be to figure that out"?

Or is it ok for you to call other people's posts "ridiculous", "stupid" and call them "pathetic" for chasing you around the forums which you have no proof over. Stop making this personal. MS doesn't pay our bills.

[paul0388]

I hate the xbox version, it's inferior in any way, do we still get it for free on Steam?

[Pandamobile]

Yes, obviously it will be free on Steam.

[Kakihara]

I've said it before, if I end up buying L4D2 it will be for the PC even though I'm a 360 owner and hate playing games on the PC. This is how it will happen, slowly, piece by piece people will start looking elsewhere for the better deal and Microsoft will have screwed itself over. You can't get away with treating your customers like this forever.

[nighthawk3729]

@Pandamobile

If you read my comment, you'd realize I'd commented on the fact survival mode was in there.

It didn't need to be.

They should have hurried their asses up and finished the damn vs pack instead of making everyone wait for them to add a new mode. No one should debate this point, its silly to.

Anything past the 2 vs maps to finish the game is just gravy, ie, survival mode, new campaigns, etc.

[Solotov]

As I said b4, Xbox Live reminds me of AOL (America Online):
an overpriced corporate-controlled Nanny state

[Advari]

Microsoft is the Mafia of the computer world

[GameScrubs]

Doesn't Sony charge the developers to have their contents on their PSN store and this is why there are less demos and stuff like that?

Isn't Microsoft incurring the cost for the deployment of this map pack on to the XBOX360?

If that is so I can understand why MS wants to charge us to download, install and play this DLC. I'm sure it probably would have been free if Valve incurred the cost themselves.

Why is MS going to waste their services for free. Business is a business and they will make sure they can get as much money as they can. Either from devs OR consumers.

The whole paying 50 dollars a year for xbox live has nothing to do with free DLC. I don't understand why this issue is being brought up.

Anyways I don't understand what the big deal is. If you want the content you will pay for it otherwise if people do not buy it then they can probably do what EPIC did with releasing it for free a couple of months later.

[nighthawk3729]

@ gamescrubs

Um yea, that's why I pay 50 bucks a year. They can incur a bit of cost then. Where does that not come up as a viable explanation? I can't await to read this response.

I have it for the PC anyway, it just blows hard for the 360 owners.

[GameScrubs]

If they incur the cost for Valve then they would have to do it for everyone else. MS is in business to make money not the other way around.

Hey trust me if I could get it for free I would. I know that my 50 bucks a year is being used to give me access to their network and I can play my games online, party chat, blah blah blah.

I don't know MS finances so I'm not going to speculate on how they are spending their money or dictate on how they should.

Why would MS spend the money for a DLC that will not bring them profit. This DLC that is free is for Valve to keep their community happy. The more happy we are with Valve the more likely we will buy products from them again in the future.

MS doesn't have much to gain from this. So if Valve wants to keep that friendship with their consumers then have them fork the money.

The question I would pose is. How much money is Valve going to keep from the sale of their DLC?

They could probably have the DLC for real cheap as long as MS keeps all the proceeds for the cost and Valve doesn't take a penny.

I believe they would like to see some of that money. But that is just an assumption.

[GameScrubs]

On the article it states and I quote

"When pressed about whether Microsoft effectively enforced the pricing, Faliszek added: "Well, they helped us get the first one out for free. We had the one DLC out for free. And I think... they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that."

This statement kinda reinforces what I said earlier and they even forked the first DLC for free. WOW so I guess that answers your question about the 50 dollars.

[hobokiller]

Does Valve have a say in this? Or does Microsoft just insist on putting prices on DLC and Valve just has to go with it?

[Jihad]

Can't believe Valve and Gabe The Gimp. I don't want to play this on the PC. And I'll never buy a 360. It deserves a PS3 release. Is there not a petition for this to happen?

Microsoft are always ripping off consumers. Hope their next system is better. Must try harder.

[GameScrubs]

Do you seriously believe if this game was on the PS3 the DLC would be free?

You feel like MS is ripping consumers off, but the millions of xbox consumers think otherwise and if their current business model works what makes you think they will change it for their next system?

I wonder how many DLC's that are on both console are free for PS3 and not for MS.

[bdup46]

I was tired of the nickle and diming that M$ always does.
What's even worse in interviews they pass off that it oh it's just a choice you don't have to pay for it even though the pc counterpart gets it for free.
Remember Games for Windows Live they used to charge a subscription to play but stopped and it became free. Why can't 360 owners do the same and stop paying.
Don't believe me check out this link

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...