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‘Marvel’s Black Panther’ Developer Admits To Discriminating Against White People

Dani Lalonders, an Associate Narrative Designer at Cliffhanger Gamers who is currently working on Marvel’s Black Panther, admitted to discriminating against white people while developing her game ValiDate. During a presentation for the Game Devs of Color Expo 2021.

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MestreRothN4G79d ago

Yup
The far right babycry never stops 😂

thorstein79d ago

400 years. Hundreds of thousands of black people: I didn't get the job because I'm black.

2023: 1 job. 1 person denied a few white men from getting a job.

The white men of N4G: OMZG!!!! We'Re bEiNg oPpReSsEd fOr a jOb wE dIdN,T ApPlY fOr nOr aRe qUaLiFiEd tO hOlD¡

SyntheticForm79d ago

@thor

You say "white men" as if they're inherently bad, and your words indicate what many of us already know - that DEI isn't about inclusion - it is about exclusion and revenge.

thorstein79d ago

I say it because you're the only ones getting your tighty whities in a bunch, you poor oppressed man. Tell us all about your imagined hurts while completely and utterly ignoring the first full paragraph of my comment.
But you're great at that: taking things out of context.

SyntheticForm79d ago

@thor

Your post was an infantile response to the fact that anti-white racism is being highlighted and called out. There was nothing cogent, thoughtful, or intelligent about it. Nothing was taken out of context; you're just racist and angry about racism being highlighted.

Discrimination is wrong; can't believe I have to say that today.

thorstein79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." -Thomas Jefferson

I will not bandy words with you, synthetic, not because you think yourself a sophist but because you simply revealed yourself to be intellectually dishonest when you equate centuries of systemic racism to one instance of one person behaving this way. And because you took something out of context. It really is that simple.

Maybe, one day you'll see the broader world and all it beholds, its wonders and its beauties. Or you can choose to hide in your cave and shirk from your visions of the darkness that is nothing but shadows that scare the child, but not the man.

Adieu

SyntheticForm79d ago

@thor

I'm not sure you know what "intellectual dishonesty" is, but it's a charge I could very easily level against you.

I merely argued that discrimination is wrong, and that we shouldn't attempt to fight racism with more racism. You've outright lied here. The problem for you is that people can read - they can read your posts and mine - and they know that you're lying.

As for the rest of your post... pure tripe. Unimpressive, nonsensical, etc.

CDbiggen79d ago

Nice try, but we alllll know who cries over words, stereotypes, lack of representation, and on and on and on. Crying racism, sexism, homophobia, and on and on and on.
You've needed to ban, deplatform and dox anyone who dares say the wrong thing over and over in case your feelings get hurt.

But yes of course, muh far right are the crybabies.

Huey_My_D_Long79d ago

@thor good effort, but I'd doubt these brainwashed idiots would honestly engage without talking points. Last couple of years it was trans now its dei.

neutralgamer199279d ago

thorstein

hire the most qualified person irrespective of their skin color. And this is coming from a person of color. No race should be involved in hiring process. Companies should hire based on talent, experience and qualification

RedDevils79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

BLM the victim cult.

JackBNimble79d ago

Ironically it seems many of you are doing exactly what you've been preaching against. Because white is evil it's ok?

You're only creating the great divide with lefties racist ideology. Smh

DarXyde79d ago

Neutralgamer1992,

While I support the spirit of what you're saying, how does this work if you have an "entry level professional" position where every applicant is fresh out of university with no internships or other experience? By the school they've graduated from? If we did that, it disproportionately favors Caucasians who typically have access to better schools. I should add that I used to work in my graduate school's admissions office and the ONLY time race mattered is when (surprise) you have two equally qualified candidates and one seat left—at that point, you select which ever one has less representation in the program. That is far less common than you might think. It just gets blown up because people are led to believe it is extremely common practice. At the hiring level, I can't say much about that from personal experience, but there have been social research studies where candidates created identical applications (schools, experience, etc) but with different names. Turns out, employers very consistently selected the "whiter sounding names". Full disclosure, I am also a person of color, but there is absolutely a systemic issue that, once you familiarize yourself with the research from criminological, sociological, psychological, economic, political, historical, and labour perspectives, it becomes difficult to ignore how broken the system is—this is an extensive rabbit hole and we would need to get on a call for a few hours to sort that out.

But on the other hand, there are instances where race simply matters. For instance, psychologist. Black men have largely checked out of the therapeutic process and that's because there is either a gendered bias, ethnic bias, or both where it becomes impractical to develop a good rapport with an incompatible therapist. Even if you grow up in a country like America, household cultures come out in therapy and you quickly realize it's a problem.

So again, I support the spirit of what you're saying, but it needs to be taken with nuance.

And to anyone saying "DEI is about revenge"... No, it isn't. You take one instance of discrimination and use it to make a broader point about it being driven by revenge. Be better than that. DEI contingencies exist because they were created by people with power (rarely the beneficiaries of such policies) because there is a precedent: there is discrimination in hiring on the bases of culture, gender, religion, race, hair style, etc. There are a few cases for hair style (food service) and religious restrictions, but I think it is disingenuous for anyone to believe they exist just because. It forces employers to confront their own stereotypes. To be clear, I don't like these policies, but more than that, I don't like that they ever had to exist. In a world where the most qualified person really wins, you don't need these policies, but there is a history for WHY some people are not the most qualified or are "too qualifed". I don't really see how you remove these policies without addressing systemic issues first.

Just my take on the matter.

garos8279d ago

how boring. any original thoughts in that little peanut of yours?

InUrFoxHole78d ago (Edited 78d ago )

@Synthetic
He said white men like he was talking about the clear group mentioned in the article.. lol
Your words indicate what I already knew... Humans are weak and you'll cry about everything and anything. Someone is always the victim 🙄

Sonic188178d ago (Edited 78d ago )

@Huey
"Last couple of years it was trans now its dei."

What🤔

Mr_cheese78d ago

It's actually outrageous that people are being ridiculed and dubbed far right because they think this is wrong.

It is wrong, it shouldn't happen, it does happen and the difference here is that this individual openly admitted to it.

We don't pick where we are born or the colour of our skin. It's out of our control. We do control our actions.

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MrDead79d ago

Have you seen the links and stories on this site, VALLIANT RENEGADE an insane right-wing movie conspiracy channel and the most crazy DEI s**t I've seen... and it's a rando blog site too! You can tell it's a US election year as all the psychos are going crazy

thorstein79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

Of course, it is. When I first saw this I had to look up to see if it was satirical.

I couldn't believe anyone was this stupid. They love their conspiracies. Especially when it comes to reverse racism. And now they have the smoking gun.

In their minds, this one person's action is equal to all the black people who were denied jobs in 2024 for being black. That's why they spend so much time here calling this out and not on other forums calling out the people who deny jobs to black people.

DrDoomer79d ago

Pretty lame and desperate attempt to try and gaslight people away from the topic at hand...

Rynxie78d ago (Edited 78d ago )

@Thor

You're the only race in the world on the bottom of the barrel. Every country, every person, in the past was the conquerer, or the conquered, the master, or the slave. However, all other races decided to use such experience to overcome their situation, to better themselves and make something out of themselves and their country. You guys still cry victimhood and blame everyone for your setbacks.

I won't even tell you what race I am, so I can laugh at your assumptions. You're a 🤡

thorstein74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

I'm a straight, white, man.

"Bottom of the barrel"

Your words. Not mine. Guess the righties with their tight whities in a bunch had better call you out for your reverse racism.

LucasRuinedChildhood80d ago (Edited 80d ago )

People are trying to share Libs Of TikTok posts on N4G now?

Libs Of Tiktok caused bombs threats to a children's hospital.
https://www.google.com/amp/...

And targeted a district and allegedly inspired the beating and murder of a school student. https://www.independent.co....

kenpachi80d ago

Lol mainstream media links, wake up

DaCajun79d ago

Wow so much ignorance and hate on this site. Not talking about just the person I replied to but all on this site. Anyone who completely and blindly follows, worships, or otherwise is obedient to any person or group is just sad. Can't you people think for yourselves instead of just repeating the same tiring garbage over and over and over until someone finally believes your ignorance.

It's bad enough with the ignorant childish fanboy wars on a gaming site, where we are supposed to come together and support gaming as a whole. Now you people keep bringing your delusional politics into it.

I swear people are stuck in their fantasy worlds these days and refuse to come back to reality. Conspiracy theories run rampid, people seem to run pass the simplest most obvious facts to a simple truth and run straight to the most convoluted, Hollywoodesque, off the wall, ridiculous theories void of any real facts or facts from something else twisted into something that doesn't even apply to the situation but some how becomes part of it because it sounded good to there twisted narratives.

Truth is no longer about concrete facts but who yells their information the loudest and longest regardless of facts to back them up.

Come back to reality people. What ever happened to common sense? Oh wait, I forgot Common Sense is just another made up word like Morals.

darthv7280d ago

Nex died of suicide... the coroner report has just been released.
https://www.kjrh.com/news/l...

If people dont want their dirty laundry shared by LoTT... they need to stop doing stupid shit and posting about it.

Christopher79d ago

LoTT is known for spreading false information as well. Let's not being ignorant. LoTT has just as much of an agenda as Dani Lalonders.

SyntheticForm79d ago

All LoTT does is call attention to their nonsense by reposting or highlighting it.

You'd think these people would appreciate the exposure - the assistance in the dissemination of their message - but instead they're angry. Why are they angry? They're angry because the wrong people are seeing it. Now, parents and others who were not privy are now being made so by entities such as LoTT, and their otherwise clandestine indoctrination has been exposed, with lots of new eyes now laser-focused on these public schools.

Hope she never stops.

Neonridr79d ago

LOTT is literally the bottom of the barrel on X/Twitter anyways. Nobody should be listening to them period, or giving them a platform.

BlindMango79d ago

I think you're missing the point, who cares about Libs of TikTok. The person who the entire article is about, who is moving their mouth and speaking the words in the video isn't Libs of TikTok.

coolbeans79d ago

1.) It's kinda confusing how some people are running with this line when she's not the Full Story source above, only linked within the piece. It's standard practice for a writer to source their primary outlet that called attention to it. Apparently LOTT was the first to blow this info up?

2.) When you use such loaded language as "caused" bomb threats, there should be more teeth to that then sharing suspicious info uncovered at a children's hospital. You're basically demanding someone be held directly responsible for actions she's never endorsed.

3.) Again, you're smearing even more loaded language over something that's so disconnected from the reality of the situation. For starters, Nex's death wasn't even a murder! The order of events are as follows:

-Goes to bathroom
-Gets teased by some random students for funny attire
-Nex throws water on them, which triggers a brawl
-Gets hospitalized from injuries, but seems to be in good shape when talking to police
-Overdoses on medication

https://www.nytimes.com/202...

This is such an insane reach.

SyntheticForm78d ago

Gee Lucas, all you had to say is that racism and discrimination is wrong, against anyone. This isn't hard. But, you couldn't help yourself; had to mention Libs of TikTok.

Not a good look when you can't condemn flagrant racism and discrimination.

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Kaii80d ago (Edited 80d ago )

I'm casually scrolling by to say, 8 months employed at Sweet Baby Inc.
Now Its time to dash away from these topics. ^.^

Christopher79d ago

Yeah, this really isn't about Sweet Baby Inc. but the actions of the individual.

AdonisIsBeast79d ago

Source for the Libs of TikTok false stories? I’ll wait

MrDead79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

US identity politics from an insane blog site is N4G now?

MrDead78d ago (Edited 78d ago )

I just want to quote posts in this comment section on this article and tell me if you think this is the message N4G should be pushing?

"Black people are the most emotionally sensitive, and reactionarilly racist of all races. Change my mind."

"Being anti-white is an actual virtue to the woke left, and this woman likely believes her race will shield her from criticism and consequence. This is currently going on with many "POC" in positions of power across the country."

"Another cying minority. Next."

... do you want me to post more? Racially motivated US politics from a blog site is enough to be posted here.

AdonisIsBeast78d ago

First of all, you sourced 3 of the most left-leaning “paid for” biased shill media organizations around.

The NBC and DailyBeast articles were proven to be facts, regardless of what you choose to believe. Those hospitals were in fact pushing those ideologies and were permitting underage surgery, which was confirmed from a whistleblower at the hospital. I suggest doing your research and reading data from both sides (liberal and conservative) and then analyze and interpret the information.

The Mashable one may have been a mistake on LoTT’s end, however teachers create material that is NOT part of the curriculum every day, and these ideologies have been PROVEN to be real and much worse by parents in countless school districts across the country. If you’re for the teachings of oral s*x in grade school too little children, then you’re part of the problem and should take a long look in the mirror

Christopher78d ago

@adonisisbeast: The 'whistleblower' was from Washington University's infectious diseases division in St. Louis and not from the discussed hospital. Furthermore, even that whistleblower was about drugs and not about non-reversible surgeries, which is the claim against the Boston Children's Hospital. So, I think you should make sure the discussion is relevant to the topic, because you've brought in a whistleblower from an entirely different state about doctors prescribing drugs, not about patients under the age of 18 getting hysterectomies.

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NicSage79d ago

The amount of people that won't touch a game because of sweet baby inc won't be insignificant.
Will the games still be made? Yeah sure they will. Companies just will not enjoy as much revenue. That is all.

Sweet baby inc is now viewed as a plague. Starting distance 6ft.

Michiel198979d ago

it will be irrelevant, also there is many companies like them out there which we don't even know the name of. It will not matter, especially to the more casual gamer which is the majority. Sweet baby is just one turd from a pile of shit that's being given a spotlight.

Christopher79d ago

Those are dumb people, then. Anyone who thinks they're forcing companies into diversity are crazy when multiple companies have refuted it. They're whole job is to help write diverse characters, not put them in games.

CantThinkOfAUsername78d ago

@Christopher well, they suck at writing then that's why it feels forced.

Rols79d ago

Lets not forget that an employee at SBI tried to launch a harassment campaign against a steam curator for creating a list.

Skuletor79d ago

Boy did that backfire spectacularly, gotta love the Streisand effect.

darthv7280d ago

Discrimination is wrong no matter what sort of justification is behind it. It was wrong in the past, its still wrong in the present.

sushimama80d ago

What this woman did in building her studio is actually illegal. Any person that went for a job at that studio now has a case. If you read it, she also admitted to being a racist in her tweets. What you said is correct. It's wrong from all sides.

purple10179d ago

yeh , she gon' dun' f*cked up

RedDevils79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

She has the mentality of black people can not be racist lol

FinalFantasyFanatic79d ago

Yep, no matter how you frame it, it's racism, and now anyone she didn't hire who is white can sue her for work discrimination. I believe a lot of recruiters has some form of racism/sexism/ageism/etc... But they're generally smart enough not to say it, especially not out in public like this.

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Psychonaut8579d ago (Edited 79d ago )

Weird, used to be when I was younger assuming someone is going to engage in a certain behavior simply because of the color of their skin was called racism. Dr. King is turning over in his grave. But probably will be no consequences for this. “Rules for thee but not for me” At least now we see where “Diversity Equity and Inclusion” (as a policy, not a concept) ends up.

ravens5279d ago

What she said/did was wrong. As what your doing is “Rules for thee but not for me” At least now we see where “Diversity Equity and Inclusion” (as a policy, not a concept) ends up. This is one person, don't do that. People like this is every race.

Psychonaut8579d ago

True. This is one person, but not unique at all, DEI is another example of a movement that originally had good intentions that has largely been perverted into many of the same faults it claims to want to rectify. Inclusiveness is important. But many people look at this and say, oh well the shoe was on the other foot for so long, so you don’t get to complain. But wrong is wrong. The whole point is that there shouldn’t be different rules for different groups. From a first principles standpoint. Cuz otherwise you never know where to draw the line. And if someone is ok with this, they don’t want equality, they want revenge. And that leads nowhere good.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff21831d 14h ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan23h ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin21h ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_20h ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan17h ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff218315h ago(Edited 15h ago)

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

SimpleDad5h ago

Ammm let's see... That All-stars, Foamstars, Babilon 5 wass gaas...
Concord... can wait to play that...Marathon uuuu... Last of them gaas... U
Horizon Zero dawn has a project that leaked as a Fortnite lookalike.

They bought Destiny that is a dead gaas...people love ti.

Helldivers 2 was luck.

Jimbo was all in and pushed Sony single player games 5 years behind.

Spiderman gaas was cancelled... I mean every 1st party studio was doing gaas.

Bend had to pitch a gaas game... Open world coop something

I can't remember more... Of that crap.

tay87014h ago

@simpledad. Destiny 2 isn't a dead game. Its the number 5 most played game on steam. I dont play it, but alot of people do.

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just_looken18m ago

I rolled my eyes at concord not only was it just yet another cookie cutter hero shooter but that qucik look for the hero select.

Already has a free section then paid section along with a they/them she/her dei crap top right.

Nothing like a day off of work to fire up concord to read about the new characters sexual identity and or preference then a paywall do you want o buy this character shit like no i just want to shoot my gun have fun.

-Foxtrot1d 14h ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink1d 6h ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff218315h ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla23h ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl52322h ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin21h ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-6420h ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga18h ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

tay87019h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Dude is pretty pathetic. Sounds like a guy who's girl left him for someone better. Always talking about days gone sequel that never was, even though he is no longer at bend and hasnt been for a while. I for one am not upset about the lack of a sequel. It is one of the worst 1st party games in recent memory. Completely jank, played like an xbox game. The only redeeming quality was the hordes.

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excaliburps1d ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla23h ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek17h ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff218315h ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb23h ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing6923h ago(Edited 23h ago)

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip20h ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Greetings from the newly minted CEO - Shams Jorjani

Operating under the username BigKahuna_AGS, Jorjani created a lengthy thread on the Helldivers subreddit to introduce himself to the community following his appointment as CEO in early May.

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Frostpunk 2 Dev Talks Creative Risks, Supply and Demand, and More

Game Rant speaks with Frostpunk 2 co-game director and design director Jakub Stokalski about everything 11 bit poured into the sequel.

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