Tekken 8 is a huge Unreal Engine 5 letdown, does not use Lumen & Nanite

Tekken 8 won't support Lumen, Nanite or Virtual Shadows Maps and its lighting has been severely downgraded since its announcement trailer.

[Sonic1881]

UE5 has also been a letdown so far. Hopefully it gets better

[isarai]

Weirdly enough, the most visually appealing example I've seen so far is RoboCop. It's not the most polished game but it uses all the new tech to some capacity and overall tickles my tech junkie itch for the "next gen" experience this gen has been lacking.

[Tacoboto]

Have you gotten it yourself?
I'm hoping it'll be on the Steam Winter Sale when that starts up today.

[isarai]

@Tacoboto

Yup, it really reminds me of old school FPSs in a good way like BLACK and Half Life. It certainly has it's rough spots with some glitches and jank, but the destruction, physics, and feedback are really satisfying, and the story itself is a pretty damn good RoboCop story, like not Oscar worthy but definitely fits the series. And it's just a looker. One of my highlights of this year, just wish it had new game plus, I hope they add it later.

[Cacabunga]

Which good looking game actually is using this engine?
They all are average at best

[Binarycode]

and The finals

[EvertonFC]

I said at the start of the gen it's always a gen later when a engine takes off properly. We won't see anything amazing really this gen from UE5 maybe twds the last year or 2 of the gen.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

UE5 a new gen game being a letdown I'm not surprised.

[-Gespenst-]

I think we all knew that the initial trailer was too good to be true.

[JEECE]

Or at least it will take forever to get there. It's not like any early UE4 games matched that lava cave trailer.

[anast]

The lighting is going to be DLC.

[Binarycode]

LMFAO

[Amplitude]

Jesus it looks gorgeous and it literally doesn't matter. Clickbait garbage headline based off two graphical features the developer opted out of in exchange for framerate. Graphical features that are largely completely irrelevant in a fighting game with a camera like this. What are you gonna do, mod in a freecam and fly over to the boat in the distance to analyze if there's pop-in or not on your flight? Break an environmental object to analyze whether or not the ambient occlusion looks natural in a closeup? These aren't features we need in fighting games any time soon. Keep the framerate, resolution and general visual fidelity up. In case it isn't obvious, UE5 has significate and countless benefits over UE4 beyond Lumen and Nanite (especially on PC) from both a user scenario and a development scenario.

I know i sound mean here but honestly if I made a purposely uneducated twitter bot specifically to whine about non-issues for attention and clicks, it would post the exact same content as every DSOGaming rant. It's all this site ever posts.

[frostypants]

DSOGaming only ever cares about graphics.

[Huey_My_D_Long]

Most on point and succinct rant I've seen on Here
Well done

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

Completely agree. DigitalFoundry even said that the game looks great and that the lack of these features for a fighting game prioritising response time makes sense.

[jambola]

I'm mostly let down by not being able to do anything without an annoying giant flash of light shooting out of my characters ass

[Xephus]

The lack of lumen isn't surprising if you know how expensive it is on the GPU (adds 10-20 ms per FRAME in a project). Fighting games require rock-solid performance. Adding a choice between graphics and performance would not work here if, as a developer, you are striving for an even playing field where players are expected to count frames. A solid lighting artist can make things look almost as good as a GI solution while saving on performance. I expect to see Lumen reflections used in more games in the future though, but that was just added to the engine within the last year.

Nanite isn't as expensive (now), but consider how long a game is in development. Back when development started Nanite would have been considered a beta feature. The feature just recently received support for landscapes, and more importantly, texture displacements powered by the feature. I expect this in the next game in the series as well as features like Heterogeneous Volumes/Niagara Fluids which would be more impactful. Those are considered experimental features as of 2023.

The bottom line is current gen hardware likely can't support features like Lumen in a game like Tekken and hit 60+ fps. It is confusing how people are claiming this is Unreal Engine's fault when they are merely providing options and pushing the industry forward waiting for hardware to catch up. What we really need is better GPUs that can handle the tech, don't require 400 watts of power, and are small enough to fit inside a console. Have you seen the 4090?! :)

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

100% agree. I suggest people watch DigitalFoundry's video for a non-clickbait, competent analysis: https://youtu.be/XCmoZ8Rxiq...

[Babadook7]

“Tekken 8 is a huge Unreal Engine 5 letdown, does not use Lumen & Nanite”

Traditional fighting games like Tekken don't need either lumen or nanite because those technologies are used in large and or dynamic environments. The game graphics just aren’t successful for other reasons.

Mortal Kombat 1 looks good because of good art direction. Not because of UE4

[Nacho_Z]

The article doesn't say what Lumen, Nanite or Virtual Shadow Maps are. How is the average reader supposed to know what to think when these things are being criticised for being absent without any explanation of what they are.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

John, the author, has a cult following of PC gamers on his site. He doesn't rely on Google traffic or average readers, and he spams UE5 articles every single day.

[PRIMORDUS]

If only John Carmack didn't leave ID Software, and they were licensing their game engines again. I'm more than sure he would have had a better engine than Unreal and it would run much better as well.

[boing1]

This headline is a letdown.

[Good-Smurf]

People forgot that Tekken 8 is a Fast paced Fighting game especially one with e-sports tournamnets and it needs to hit consistent 60 fps so lumen and nanite are pretty much out of the table for their first game with UE5.
Those who felt disappointed are the one that expected too much out of 1st gen UE5 games in the first place.
Lumen and Nanite at the moment sounds unnecessary on fighting game that needs very low input latency.

[gold_drake]

is it rly that big of a let down tho?

its a fighting game, i care more about other things than lighting issues that most people may or may not even see.