Today Microsoft Xbox Games Marketing VP Aaron Greenberg commented on the performance of Tango Gameworks' rhythm action game Hi-Fi Rush.
Amid the studio’s shutdown, a Tango Gameworks developer has questioned whether its many awards were not enough for the Xbox management.
I'm sorry but I'm going for cringe *insert madara got betrayed by black zetsu here* but fr tango it's never enough for Microsoft. Microsoft are cannibals imo
Yeah PS hasn't shut down any studios.
Arkane austin made redfall, everything about that was bad regardless of microsft's involvement. Plus prey didn't sell well either.
Tango gameworks shouldn't have been closed though. The others make sense.
it doesn’t take long for xbox fanboys to put on their fanboy glasses again huh?
it’s always the classic combo of “PS did it too” and “it makes sense”.
And they wonder why there’s barely any new fans since xb1 era, that’s because normal people are disgusted by the corporation and its fanboys.
Today's lesson in rhetoric:
Whataboutism
-a type of red herring fallacy. Both are argumentative fallacies that divert attention away from the original topic to a new one. However, whataboutism uses the new topic to attack the other party, while a red herring fallacy introduces an unrelated topic.
Yes we understand ps isn't perfect especially not recently but this fallacy doesn't mean anything because if ps saw potential they'll cultivate usually and problem particularly tango where they made bangers that xbox needed but nope man shut it down like tf
1. Why are we talking about PlayStation closing studios? We know they did, but the "they did it too" deflection is such a lazy way to redirect frustration and outrage about what is happening now. We're not talking about Sony, are we? The problem is Microsoft straight up closed studios they've held for less than five years after releasing single projects. And being the cowards they are, they closed Tango when staff was away during Golden Week in Japan.
2. I don't play Arkane games as first person games are not my flavour, but let's look at this exactly as it really is: Microsoft, a company with a market cap over 3 TRILLION dollars, has doubled, tripled, quadrupled, and quintupled down on their Day one subscription service. They have sabotaged their own titles' chances of success related to revenue by doing that—add to the fact that they insisted on having all of these studios with the publishers (refusing to cleave off any studios) and having a drawn out legal battle over ABK. And even with Game Pass, Microsoft had to close the loophole for $1 subs because their players don't even want to pay the full sub fee.
And now, the developers are on the chopping block. Spencer acting as the remorseful figure after Red Fall bombed, yet he's still got his job and the studio is gone.
Stop the madness. And just to appease your whataboutism, yes, Sony deserves this fire too if/when they go that way. I can't speak for others, but I was absolutely livid when they closed Japan studio. I don't even have Plus because they raised the price and haven't had it since.
None of these corporations are good. I wouldn't lose sleep if they all burned to the ground and something that balances labour and consumer best interests came from it.
Until then, keep the anger righteous. Today, that happens to be Microsoft.
Arkane Austin were under direction for zeninax to make redfail prior to that arkane actually had a really impressive history so one mistake they partially made remember it's zeninax that drove the games direction and it's a yeah they suck they deserve it.
You have talent but MS is IP hoarding so only the biggest IP's will survive, a few new ones might slip through but if they don't sell like the big titles like COD or Fallout then bye bye and thanks for the money we'll make from continuing to sell your games.
That's a fair take. While Tango made hi fi it's not like any of there other games were system sellers
This is legitimately heartbreaking, you pour all you got into your craft, you're recognized for it, you're successful... Just to be discarded like leftovers
The games haven't been discarded, MS just made sure the people who created them are not receiving any money from future sales... like the massive c**** they are.
Well, in the past, they gave away their choice power for money.
They just want to receive the aquisition and full funding money, but still call the shots?
Tango is a dev under Bethesda which is part of Zenimax. Microsoft acquired Zenimax and everything under their umbrella. Tango had no choice in the matter.
The more you know...
Hopefully they can move on and continue, whether forming their own studio, or getting a job elsewhere. This dev is exactly right.
Tango Gameworks' Hi-Fi Rush has received a surge of positive reviews on Steam after the announcement of the studio's shutdown.
I mean.... okay. While I can appreciate the virtue-signaling of it all, this along with the recent Helldivers 2 debacle is only proving that Metacritic scores really can't be trusted and are just something that can be used to manipulate. If a game/movie/etc is not rated solely on its own merit, what good are the reviews to a consumer actually looking to make the best choice in selecting a piece of entertainment?
Exactly! I said this and people jumped down my throat as it was an attack to democracy or some sh*t when I brought it up in a Helldivers 2 article.
It 100% shows how pointless user reviews are. I personally, never make a purchasing decision based on them and if I’m on the fence for a game I’ll watch streams and gameplay and check out professional reviews to form a decision.
Typically, I get what I’m interested in regardless of reception, but that’s just me. If I’m being honest, reviews are pointless and more for validation. I see a game I’m hyped for get an aggregate high score it’s just like a good feel sort of thing. I’ll still buy what I want regardless of people’s opinions.
Exactly. People put to much stock into reviews and stuff. It never made sense to me. I buy the same way. If on kinda either way I look up about the game not what someone else thinks for the most part.
Yeah, the thing is back in the day we got demo’s and they gave you a glimpse of what to expect. And most demo’s were pieces of the final version, not chuncks of beta material.
Today with barely any demo’s, bying on a gut feeling is kinda tricky as games aren’t getting any cheaper.
I do watch and read reviews nowadays, paying attention to the con’s mostly. If certain negatives keep reappearing in reviews, there migt be some truth to it and it’s up to me if I let that negative influence my decision to purchase.
You are conflating two different things. First is the score, and scores, by definition, are something completely open to manipulation because they are quantitative measures of qualitative analysis. The second is the review itself, which is what is written, and that is where the value of reviews lies, especially user reviews because they can point out things that "professional" reviews will not, for example, how the game behaves after an update or if it scales well with a certain tier of hardware, etc.
The issue is that most people don't like to read. They see the score, and that's about it. Which is even worse in the case of Steam, as the score system is binary, so it alone doesn't tell anything.
It's a great game, it shouldn't have taken the studios closure to receive a surge of positive reviews.
I wish I had supported the game at launch. I mean, I "did" in a way because I played it when it shadow dropped on Game Pass and I absolutely loved it, but didn't buy it. When the studio closure got announced I purchased it on PS5 while it was on sale though, and have started the game again.
I purchased it on PS5 as soon as it became available, worth every penny. At least we did our part to support the developer, too bad it wasn't enough.
Wish we could start a gofundme for the Tango employees, but I have no confidence the money would actually get to them.
That's XBox for you... Promote the shit out of Star field and shadow drop good game like Hi Fi Rush... they simply don't know what is a good game. HI-Fi Rush proved that you don't need huge budget for games, you just need to know what make a game fun.
In actuality, both games are not that good. Hi-Fi is an average good game, which is why even the fans of these types of games could only muster a 6k peak on steam. Now, Imagine spending a 100 mil to advertise it.
The games for Humble Choice Bundle for the month of May, 2024, have begun to be revealed, and they include Hi-Fi Rush.
Rare to have hack-and-slash games on consoles nowadays. Hopefully, this team will be able to rival Platimum
Tango game works need to increase the size of their team.
3 dev teams.
Team 1: Horror
Team 2: Hack and Slash
Team 3: Experimental games.
This whole Jeff Grub debacle is so overexaggerated. Based on someone who say something that its seem like....Hi fi rush did meet sales expectations.
Good job Tango even though in rumors it didn't met expectations
The real news isn't this. It's damage control from Microsoft . Hi fi floped. It's everywhere. From GameSpot to Forbes. Microsoft can say whatever they want now. It's already being talk also everywhere in social media.
And I think no one is really surprised.
The purpose of this statement is to respond to Gamespot story that HIFi Rush supposedly failed to meet expectations.
Wow…somebody who works at microsoft complimenting the game