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Shaz from GL: "Where Sony is ramping down support for PSVR2, and Apple are reconsidering their future with the Vision Pro, Meta and the Quest 3 continue to shine."
I'll admit that Facebook is doing more for VR than others. But they also have blown over 50 billion dollars so far and growing in R&D, building the meta verse, buying up exclusives and underpricing their products below build price, to kill competition in the stand alone space. Sony and Valve aren't willing to go into the red at an unheard level to capture the market. We know Sony could build a stand alone device that beats Quest just by the features in PS VR 2 and the new stand alone headset they built. But the new Sony would rather build a device they can profit from day one.
But, Sony so far has profited on hardware and on software. They just don't seem willing to spend the money on marketing, selling under build price or spending millions on making in-house VR exclusives for PS VR 2. Which sucks big time. They're just letting 3rd parties and indies run the show.
Article also doesn't mention that Apple's headset is more a developers product than a mass market item. To say they are looking into making a cheaper one for the next iteration is speaking the obvious. Duh. That was always the case. Build something the public sees as quality not can't afford, then make another that the masses can afford. TVs, cars, cellphones etc all were once expensive. Now, they're cheap to buy with many options to choose from. And Apple isn't even selling VP as a VR headset. I'm well aware that Apple's true intentions is to build a device that pushes AR with VR as an option. Not build a VR device. Because they know eventually that they want to replace the cellphone with AR glasses or an AR headset. If they cared about games, they would have launched as a gaming device.
Lastly, Facebook launched Quest 3 last year. But has not mentioned how many they sold up to this point. Why is that? Besides Quest 2 selling more by being cheap, the market can't move forward until they start selling more Quest 3 headsets than 2. Maybe the new exclusive Batman and Hitman games will help. But we'll see.
Not dead, but definitely on life support from the third party devs and PC crowd who may just purchase the headset.
Although I saw someone say that the module adapter will no allow haptics and adaptive triggers to work, but I don’t know if any of that is true.
Nope. Not yet.
It’s tough to say what its future will bring. There is still decent support. It seems to have sold decently too. Sony seems absent in a direct way though.
The issues Meta have is they are Meta. I'll never buy a Meta product, Every Quest headset they release is always a case of it's not quite there from a hardware perspective and the game content is mostly from indie devs. Selling what should be a AAA experience with C tier games is a non starter.
Meta is also Billions and billions in the hole in regards to VR. If Sony were to do what Meta has done, they'd be bankrupt
Meta is losing billions on a business that theh will probably walk away from like they did the Facebook phone. Temper your expectations of your investments in Meta’s hardware.
I do wish Sony would release more for PSVR. It’s a neat product, but they don’t support it much. It may have the same fate as the Vita.
I know it’s two completely separate products as Vita was stand alone, and PSVR is a companion to PS consoles. More 1st party support would really boost it though.
They are done supporting it. They're relying on pc to do it for them. Sony even paused production because it's not selling
They paused production to get rid of inventory, doesn’t mean the headset isn’t selling, it’s just not selling as fast as Sony thought it would. But with their half assed approach to the headset and lack of first party games, it’s not surprising, saddening, but not surprising.
Meta out here buying up all the exclusives, this is the only part of the gaming market where I feel exclusives should not be a thing since the market is “still in its infancy”.
That's exactly what it means... you think people are buying a headset with min support for the price of the console? It's done man. Sadly because like the vita the tech is good and deserved better
I own PS VR 1, and it is packed with tons of games to pick from in nearly every genre you could think of. While the technology may be rudimentary compared to newer headsets, it still works, and is fun to play, which is what matters most.
Its a shame that PS VR 2 is having such a slow start, because the tech behind it is brilliant. Its currently on sale for $100 USD off, that needs to be a permanent price drop.
We need more first party games on PS VR 2, the fact that Jim Ryan shut down Sony London Studios right before he left was moronic, they should have been upgrading their hit game Blood & Truth for PS VR 2! What a stupid decision.
The problem for PlayStation right now – through a heady combination of its own adjusted marketing plans, the aftermath of the pandemic, and never-ending development cycles – is that it feels like it’s abandoned the kinds of software that fans have always valued most.
My issue with the announcements over the past 2 years or so is that now these "big" announcements they hint at or whatever end up being just PC ports.
For most of their core audience, the people watching, we've played them, a PC announcement being made into a big thing and counting as one of their major announcements means f*** all to most of us. Also you have to think if they didn't have them then first party wise they don't have much else.
So now it's split between PC ports (God of War Ragnarök), live service shit (Concord) and the first party games we actually do want (Astrobot).
Yeah they really should leave the PC announcements to blog posts, most of the audience watching are PlayStation console players, not PC players.
I'm not sure I understand the stance. They surely want to sell their games no matter what platform they are on. Also leaving out PC port announcements isn't gonna magically make more PS5 announcements.
Agreed I thought the God of War announcement was more DLC, disappointing PC announcements on a hype reel doesn’t make sense to PS5 players watching.
This particularly was a bad showcase in my opinion. Derivative Souls-like (which in all honesty I will check out because I like the genre, but I couldn’t tell you the names of the games without looking it up or how they’re different from one another), Concord, a mid Silent Hill 2 Remake. I’m not really into platformers so Astrobot didn’t stick to me. The only thing that got me hyped was Monster Hunter: Wilds.
Truth be told though, most of these showcases are ass anyways. I’m struggling to think of one that was firing on all cylinders like the good ol’ E3 conference announcements.
The shift to GaaS is absolute sh*t and for them to think that’s the game to make the focus shows just gives me little hope for the future of gaming, especially the state that the industry is in.
I wish they’d have shown Wolverine or something that would’ve been a “holy sh*t” moment… but nope.
Ballad of Antara and Where Winds Meet. They both look dope to me 🤷🏽. N If Concord is on PS+ then I'll take it. It wasn't as bad as people are making it out to be.
Yeah it's funny I'm the same, I can't remember the names off by heart unless I'm reminded.
I think most of these games are just starting to mush together where the one game we do want "Bloodborne" is no where in site whether it's a remake or sequel.
" I wish they’d have shown Wolverine or something that would’ve been a “holy sh*t” moment… but nope"
I don't think we'll see it for a while after the leaks
I just can't believe we've seen nothing on Spiderman 2 DLC, not like I'd be that enthusiastic about it myself but I mean in general I'm surprised it's a no show.
We got 3 story episodes within 3 months of the first games release and it took months to get a New Game Plus mode and that was before all the major leaks that happened
Yeah they’ve shown before that they have no problem showing teasers way in advance, so the fact there was no trade for any of the heavy hitting first party studios is quite concerning. I feel like there may be no Sony Santa Monica or Naughty PS5 only game this gen. Which is sad.
It sucks, doesn't it?
And the company that *is* announcing new single-player titles can't manage themselves at all and have both monetization and perception dilemnas they themselves created, problems so severe it puts all the titles they're announcing in a compromised position right out the gate.
Perfect Dark should've been an EASY win for the creative head of the Tomb Raider reboot, but it's in development hell. They cratered Starfield's potential by thinking it was ready for release last September. Hellblade received all the pressure of a AAA title despite being the gaming equivalent of an art film. They closed Tango after HiFi.
Sony has no pressure to change anything about what they're currently doing when the competition became a mockery by its own doing. With PS5 outpacing PS4 and being their most profitable generation so far, the people spending the money are saying they're totally ok with this approach.
@fox 100% agree
Along with that is the new leadership pushing into the "modern" audiance crap now there getting into mobile gaming with no doubt more microtransactions in there games.
As of june 1rst one person Hiroki Totoki,serves as the Chair of Sony Interactive Entertainment (SIE) and the President, COO, and CFO of Sony Group Corporation.
That is way to much power no checks no real hey that is a bad idea not to mention the work load
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Funny thing is I feel like the early life of PS5 has more 1st party than the current time. Returnal, demon souls, ratchet n clank, GoW Ragnarok, Forbidden West. Compared to back then it’s practically a barren land now.
June 1rst new leadership and jim ryan killed japan/uk playstation studios japan helped with demon souls/final fantasy port then the london branch did the psvr 2 and helped GG localize horizon.
Jim killed thousands of ps jobs so now no new games like b4 and this new leadership wants $$$ mobile gaming live service monetization first.
To be fair the reason the PS5 feels like a damp squid for me and others who bought it is their PC strategy. They have made their console players who actually pay money to feel like second class customers. If you are on PC you get a better version of the game a year later and you can get it for free on various sites and you don't have to pay for PS+. On top of that Sony lose 30% on all sales they put through Steam and much more on piracy. Also Sony seem big on remasters, well guess what you lose your ability to sell remasters once you put your game on PC because at that point fans just edit and remaster the game themselves. So you have just cut off another revenue stream. Sony seems have forgotten platform holder is king and they are completely squandering it with their PC strategy, they don't even have a store front. The effect of all this will be slow but people won't be rushing to buy a PS6, I know I won't and that is the first Sony console I'll be skipping.
This gen just sucks, period. More PS4 games have come out than PS5 exclusives, and we're almost 4yrs in. Then this unwanted GAAS push which is completely tone deaf, and not what their fanbase wanted. Feel like im just watching a childhood friend kill themselves with an addiction.
the gas is in ADDITION, to all their other games, thats why they brought more studios,
so the old ones can continue doing what they do best.
The argument 'GAAS is in addition to what we already had' kinda goes out of the window when we can see very clearly a lack of SP offline games, Sony killing studios and IPs left, right and center, and pushing 'always online' in games that never had it and don't need it (Gran Turismo).
You can clearly tell that earlier generations offered far more in terms of diversity/variety of genres, be it Everybody's Golf, Driveclub/Motorstorm, LittleBigPlanet, Modnation Racers, Jak & Daxter, Gravity Rush, Ico, Sly Cooper, Locoroco, Tearaway, whatever.
It feels like they killed off anything that wasn't going to sell massive numbers but did offer something fresh and original and were just 'fun'.
Imagine if some of those new studios were working on single player games. Sony would have it locked. Instead we get trash.
Not really, for a few studios that's literally all they are making, and for others, it being ADDITIONAL is the problem as it is delaying anything else they may be working on, hell ND had to cancel theirs because it was getting in the way.
That's what it looks like now but it is already cannibalizing the other aspects of their brand. These things historically happen slowly, and then all at once...the brand you once knew is unrecognisable
That's such a bad narrative. So wrong and we see the end results. No single player games... only Marvel.
Though, do note that since summer last year, more and more games have been current gen only. Lots of smaller titles, but of bigger stuff there's Baldurs Gate 3, Alan Wake 2, Rise of the Ronin, Dragons Dogma 2, FFRebirth and so on. Being on ps4 only, means you will be missing out on a lot of releases both major and minor.
Through first party releases this gen through may 23: Astro's, Stranding directors Cut, Destruction all stars, GT7, GT7 VR, Miles Morales, Rift Apart, Demon's Souls, Returnal, and Sack Boy. There are more. Some will say well they release some of those on PS4. I say play them on PS4 and then play them on PS5, then tell me it's just as good.
Stranding is not 1st party and it's still a ps4 game just with minor additions. Miles Morales is also a ps4 game, gt7 is also a ps4 game, sackboy is also a ps4 game, so you got returnal, demon's souls, and destruction all stars, also Spider-Man 2, so 3 launch window games and one later game exclusive to ps5, with 2 of those by the same studio, In 4yrs,
They are still PS5 games. When I play some of these that can be played on both systems. One is a PS4 and the other is a PS5 experience, To say otherwise is disingenuous. For some reason, I can't get my Stranding PS5 directors cut to work on my PS4. And I cant get GT7 VR to work on my PS4 either....and so on. Sony first party studios have been releasing close to the same clip as PS4. This is a fact.
It's making them money but like the M$ thing, Sony is going to start killing their brand over the longer term. Especially now that they're basically running a monopoly.
I plugged in my PS3 recently and it was a mixture of uplifting and depressing. Modern gaming STINKS.
Ps3 stunk. The variety sucked compared to before it. Variety is way way way better these days. Idk what some of yall are playing but ps4/ps5 have amazing games, jrpgs are back(something the ps3 severely lacked) , etc. I'm talking games in general. 1st party and 3rd, ps3 can't compare
Great analogy. They see the Fortnite money and think maybe if they just keep hurling shit at the wall something will stick. Gambling with cumulatively billions of dollar AND people’s livelihoods. AA and indie is the future, unless AAA pulls their head out of their see which is unlikely
Everyone is focused on having current gen exclusives as if losing last gen support will magically make games better. Games like Fortnite and GTA V embraced last gen and were huge hits. Switch games like Zelda looked worse than last gen and were huge hits. If this console generation is like any other, we won’t see the best of current gen games until next year.
My PS5 dashboard 90% of it are PS4 games.
That's not a good sign it's almost like Wii U experience all over again for me, I played far more Virtual Console SNES and N64 games than with Wii U games my most played game on Wii U is Earthbound.
Time to realized that sooner or later they would have to be forced to make games that are directly competing against Nintendo's first party titles when they can't make one of their AAA titles fast enough or within reasonable budget.
Stops relying so much on 3rd party support and partners when people banging on their doors for AAA titles that took 5 years to make.
GAAS isn't the answer, dusting off and leveraging their old long dormant IPs or even new IPs is the answer.
Yeah this 9th generation has been the biggest let down out of every console generation I've experienced since the 8 bit era.
For the first time in near 30 years I feel like Sony has completely abandoned the fanbase that got them to where they are. We see GAAS being shoved down our throats and fun replaced by lootboxes and milking us. This isn't the Sony experience I ever wanted
if I wanted to be exploited I'd play a mobile game
I find the modern line up though just lacks innovation which earlier generation games had in spades we only get what is going to sell big numbers even if the games a single player games it's likely so by the book I feel like I've played it before.
I think the PS2 was likely the golden era for experimental game design everything since that has been game design by bored room
Atleast I think they've pivoted back to singleplayer stuff. But it will take a while. I think they will announce some big game next year, like Ghost Of Tsushima 2 or something. Notice how they showed us Concord and Astro Bot a few months before release. I think the time of knowing what's on the horizon is over.
They haven’t pivoted back. They are just saying that to keepus calm. The GAAS is very much happening!
Although the lack of 1st party ps5 games only is there. I'm still having a blast. Much more then the ps3 generation.
Not me I mean I am having fun, but the PS3 generation was my favorite ever, by far, and man do I miss those times...
I always feel like these "still having a blast" guys are like people at parties who stay after things get really stale, not realising they're dancing alone in their faeces-stained undies
What was better on ps3 that you can't play on ps4 or ps5? I'll wait.
Hate all you want and I'm sure some were younger so they were much more impressionable. Compared to ps1 ps2 ps4 and now ps5 , ps3 can't hold a candle. I'm talking games in general not 1st party.
Also easyc
If your not having fun we'll that's on you. Maybe your heart just ain't in it. In the last few months alone, ff7 rebirth, granblue rpg, eiyuden chronicles, system shock came out,and so many more. That's on you.
“Compared to ps1 ps2 ps4 and now ps5 , ps3 can't hold a candle. I'm talking games in general not 1st party.”
Gotta disagree. PS3 gen was lit. Sooo many new IP ala Bioshock, Mass Effect, Uncharted, LBP. Sweet indie deals with studios like ThatGameCompany. I’m not big into jrpgs. But they still had games I liked such as Ni No Kuni.
No hate on anyone that enjoys the games this gen simply stating my overall disappointment of what's come this gen the PS3 may have had it's technical shortcomings but it birthed so many of the game we are seeing remade and resold to us today there's this feeling of played this before setting in for so many people because game design has t changed all that much since that era
Care to list all the "Sony" GAAS games with all the loot boxes and milking? Aside from Destiny (which already was like that when they bought it), what are you referring to?
I'm sure there is many out there that defend their beloved corporation to the death bht the fact is so y is changing they are becoming arrogant like the PS3 era Sony but now they have new avenues to exploit gamers
Games that set out to milk the players:
Helldivers 2 - not as bad as the rest but you need credits for batte passes to get half decent weapons.
I'm sure Concord and whatever angel studios is working on will to
Suicide squad they had a close partnership they knew what it was all about when they promoted it
Gran Turismo 7 cars were sold as micro transactions for insane prices all of those cars should have been unlockables and would have been twenty years ago
Fortnite they own a stake in epic after all
They heavily promoted games like
Overwatch 2
Fallout 76
Call of duty
At this rate it's amazing we didn't get the option to buy Kratos skins for Ragnarok.
The hard truth is they control the platform they could reign in or set limits on these scummy practices but more and more they are indulging themselves or encouraging their partners to exploit their players.
Sony has changed and the original vision for what made the platform unique and viable is being tarnished. So many players are getting fed up and just giving up gaming or going retro it should be setting alarm bells off at Sony that they need to do better most of their games feel like they are aimed teenagers with disposable income
I think they're still recovering from Jim Ryan... in the gaming industry, just firing a guy isn't going to immediately undo all the projects he greenlit to see his myopic GaaS vision come to life, they have to cut some of those projects, and do their best to recoup losses on others... but I do think Sony realized this isn't the way we want to see PlayStation go, which is why he lost his job.
I feel like we haven't even seen anywhere close to the full push yet.
Mark my words. By the end of this generation, it will be game over for ANY semblance of what we loved as videogames, and by extension, the PlayStation brand
They have squandered everything that made PlayStation a platform by giving their games away for free on torrent sites for PC. How can you expect customers to pay $70 for your games and $50 a month for PS+ if they can't protect their paying customers investments. Sorry Sony I won't be going for PS6 I'll be going for the free option like other PC users.
So you listed 2 Sony games. Then went on a rant about other games that Sony didn't make, didn't publish and aren't exclusives.
You try to put down HD2, when it is a great GaaS game. Not full priced. Regular free updates and events. You absolutely do not need to spend money on the game like you suggest. You can earn it all and it isn't that difficult.
GT7. Yes, it has MTX. Once again, completely optional. Additionally the pricing is so ridiculous only a whale would pay for them. You can EASILY earn everything in the game.
Granblue relink
FF7 Rebirth
Helldivers 2
Rise of the ronin
Stellar blade
Concord
Astro bot
Silent hill 2
How is this years list not mostly games that a playstation fan would like?
Sony fans usually just type list out in abundance to make it look good, no matter how crappy. I used to literally laugh out loud back in the ps3 days when people will type out long list of exclusives, and add “Afrika” and also “the last guardian” and “the agent”. Lol The last guardian didn’t even see that generation, and sony fans are still waiting for the agent.
TL;DR ignore the sony list, they just like to name games only on their console no matter the status.
@Factual evidence
We're eating over here. Keep your fake concern for Sony over there. We're just waiting for the showcase
@InUrFoxHole
Fake concern? I’m not even concerned for Sony, I know they could do better. Most importantly the fanboys know they could do better. Not saying sony is doing bad, but just stating the obvious how fanboys thiink they could do no wrong. BTW PS is my console preference so don’t even try to make me look like I’m downing Sony.
Versus, I know you have to defend to the end, but dont be dense.
If you read the comments, you can see that people are talking about Sony's first-party output, past innovation, and its usually high-level game output. You posted a list of 3 games that are not out yet: 2 mid games, one Gaas, and 2 paid-for 3rd party exclusives. I do not hate your list, but that is not what people here are talking about.
I am replying to the article.
i"s that it feels like it’s abandoned the kinds of software that fans have always valued most."
Sony is making deals for mostly single player games just as it always has.
And the argument that only games made by studios that Sony owns matter is beyond brain dead and i just look at all the games released on a console that isn't on the competitions.
The only game on that list that interests me is astro bot and I'm a PS fan since it's inception. Let be honest there's not a lot of amazing games on that list maybe astro bot and helldivers
FF another rpg in a long running franchise selling less and less each entry
Helldivers 2 a fun live service game I got a few hours of enjoyment with friends
Rise of Ronin may aswell play ghost of Tsushima
Stellar blade yeah ok you have to admit this one is beyond niche
Concord amazing cutscenes lackluster Game
Astro bot day 1 I'm so there
Silent hill 2 verdict is still out on this one.
Granblue ok I take stellar blade being niche back granblue I've never heard of
The games your listing here are not all that great outside of astro bot and helldivers.
This is the bare minimum release schedule as far as exclusives I'd expect similar on switch and Xbox really.
You'd expect similar on xbox and switch but you aren't getting it. Without looking into it i just think hellblade 2, princess peach and paper mario is the only console exclusives that the competition has released and are selling less than the "niche" games on the playstation side.
Actually I thought paper Mario sold quite well peach however yeah that was a flop on the switch side of things they kind of have an excuse it's the end of life for that system but they are still getting new games of a good quality.
Yeah Xbox I don't own a Xbox I don't want one especially with their recent flip flopping and basically killing of the brand but there's a good chance they have a new Doom game this year and I've been a room fan since the first game.
@VersusDMC yes, I own the first four on that list and I have had an absolute blast with them. For those who play a variety of games, they really are fantastic with over 100 hours of gameplay for each title. Granted, only one is a true "blockbuster" like a traditional first party Sony game. Which is Rebirth.
Sounds like the people complaining only want that, which is fine, I guess. Their loss by not choosing all the games on that list 😂
Silent Hill is looking a little rough and not my cup of my tea, but the rest of that list is excellent.
Why is it everytime people talk about Sony's FIRST PARTY STUDIO output the counter argument is posting a bunch of games from third party developers
We're talking about first party and how Sony isn't about trying new things or having variety like past generations.
It's just Sony playing things super safe these days.
Why is it that when an article says Software people don't count the THIRD-PARTY exclusives?
The begining of the article mentions the trifecta of announcements of Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Shenmue 3, and The Last Guardian. One third party exclusive , one multiplatform and one first party.
So if the article talks about third party games why are you only mentioning First party?
Fox
Someone brought up a good point further above
Kinda like. Truth us we don't know what tf is going on. I doubt Jim Ryan didn't just retire out of the blue like that. These new guys haven't even had long to put their gamelan into motion.
Yeah it's true Sony has some very tight deals with third party publishers games like death strand can launch on iOS and Xbox but people consider it first party where it really falls into second party.
For the average Joe though they won't care which is what Sony want means they can be synonymous with these games and studios
You barely named off all the games to. There's so many more
Except the online sht
It will be $499. Anyone who thinks it will be more are crazy. Could even be $399. I wouldn't put it past Sony to take a loss on every console. They have room to maneuver on the price front. They will wait for Microsoft to announce first and then Sony will announce theirs.
I'm expecting 499 too. Maybe 449 for the digital version.
When top smartphones are selling for 2000+€... wouldn't be surprised if PS5 digital version cost 500-550€, and the normal PS5 550-600€.
... but I think Sony are waiting for Microsoft to announce prices first.
I'm expecting both consoles to be $499.
I was thinking maybe 600 and about 520 for the all digital. Obviously I would like it to be as cheap as possible but I will be buying it day one no matter the price.