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Bethesda says situation could be "fairly dire" if Sony disallows Elder Scrolls Legends cross-play

Bethesda could be heading towards a standoff with Sony over cross-platform play. Not over Fallout 76, which does, as a multi-platform online multiplayer game.

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MrJay2114d ago (Edited 2114d ago )

It's not though. Bethesda always had a good relationship with Microsoft. I'm not surprised they're making a big deal out of this with Sony.

annoyedgamer2114d ago

So what you are saying is this is a massive conspiracy by Microsoft so make Sony look bad?

OB1Biker2114d ago

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AngelicIceDiamond2114d ago

@annoyed Hes not saying that all its no secret Bethesda has always been in Ms corner since OG Xbox. Bethesda trying to stir the pot once again because MS allows crossplay and Bethesda is continuing to run with that narrative that Sony doesn't and its "urgent" that they do..

I mean they only have 2 online games ESO which nobody's played for for like 3 or 4 years now and the upcoming F76.

naruga2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Bethesda games are mostly sht ....Sony doesnt lose anything if Bethesda goes for a stand off...in the contrary Besthesda are the ones who re losing all the Playstation fans....if lame Bethda dares let them come ..i support Sony s unmovable stance in this ridiculous crossplay trend

Why o why2113d ago

Thank you angelicice. That was a diamond comment. Not saying it's some wild conspiracy just that there is some back story to this. Thanks for stating this instead of piling on with the bs.

StormSnooper2113d ago

Yes it is a pr campaign by Microsoft, is that not clear.

bluefox7552113d ago

Made me think of the Channel 4 Jordan Peterson interview. I'm going to be charitable and assume you were being sarcastic, lol.

roadkillers2113d ago

Lol, that' kind of the direction i took with his post.

TheCommentator2113d ago

It's amazing to watch people go from, "I don't care about crossplay with other consoles" to, "Bethesda is in bed with MS" and "Bethesda games suck" just so they can keep their beloved piece of plastic from appearing less than perfect. News flash... it's not just Bethesda, but companies like Epic (as well as others) who are going to become increasingly frustrated with Sony's lack of maturity on the subject. Truthfully, Sony is screwing Sony fans out of games by taking this stance on crossplay, which will still be published on other consoles instead, but you guys are still talking nonsense? LOL!!!

I thought we all agreed that MS needed more games in order to compete with Sony, yet having less games on Sony platforms doesn't matter if it has anything to do with Sony screwing up crossplay? Way to be hypocritical!

Skull5212113d ago

Hopefully Sony is heavily in first party, it’s not gonna be pretty when they are left out of multi platform multiplayer games because of anti consumer practices.

Babadook72113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

"So what you are saying is this is a massive conspiracy by Microsoft so make Sony look bad?"

Have you not read Microsofts comments on it? Seen their attack ads? Its a fact, not a controversy that MS is using this to paint Sony in the worst light.

generic-user-name2113d ago

Beth are in bed with MS every chance they get. Morrowind Xbox exclusive. Trash Skyrim port on PS3. Making Sony gamers wait for months upon months (over a year maybe if I remember right), for DLCs for Fallout 3/Skyrim. Fallout 76 BETA first on Xbox. Always on MS's stage at E3. Try to make Sony look bad over mods and now trying to make Sony look bad over cross play. They probably resented having to release Skyrim VR on PSVR first after Phil went back on his word over supporting VR on Scorpio.

And here they are, making threats to Sony over this niche card game that won't sell on consoles anyway, they can't afford to miss out on all that $$$ by doing the same with Fallout 76.

Vegamyster2113d ago

@AngelicIceDiamond

They said in the article they want accounts that can connect to all platforms which includes the Switch, PC, Iphone and Android devices and that they're talking with everybody, not just Sony because they want everyone on board. It's not really a matter of singling them out or MS clearly asking Bethesda to do this, given the Fortnite controversy and the kind of game that this is, it seems like a fairly typical stance to protect themselves.

ajax172113d ago

That's honestly what I'm starting to believe. There are so many damn articles lately talking about how Sony are being such assholes over this non-issue of crossplay.

TheCommentator2113d ago

@ Ajax17

Your problem is that it's not a "non-issue" and that's why it's an ongoing discussion. You're not starting to believe... you're starting to make believe!

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AspiringProGenji2113d ago

To me they seem to be just trying to distract everyone from their recent fk ups and drive the attention to Sony. How come they are making s big deal over s mobile card game but not Multiplat games?

GTFO Bethesda! You are smart enough not to abandon the biggest market this gen

ApocalypseShadow2113d ago

Or, that the other article showed that cross play wasn't a crisis on playstation and the uproar was created to get Sony to react. The hype league are upset that Sony's sales weren't effected by the hype. All Sony responded with was "we'll think about it."

So this article shows up in my opinion to start the merry-go-round again for a feature that's nice as we all have said, but not a big deal.

fiveby92113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Why would it be dire for Bethesda without cross plat play between PS and X1? Other MP games don't have cross plat play and they are all doing fine. I don't care whether there is or is not cross plat play between the two systems. When Bethesda started making FO76 & ESL some years ago they knew full well at that time there was no cross platform play. Suddenly it's integral to their game design? I doubt it. Bethesda should be careful here. As it stands now, FO76 is not being warmly received but rather looked at with skepticism.

gamer78042113d ago

not sure why people put innovation behind favoritism in console wars. Crossplay like any other good features is a good thing. Most developers are pushing it, there is no reason games should be against it in any way.

SierraGuy2113d ago

Because they know better.

Bethesda stop poking the bear.

Your games aren't necessary for PlayStation to be successful.

On the other hand PlayStation is necessary for your games to be successful.

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kevnb2113d ago

They seem to back whatever pr Microsoft wants them to.

BlackTar1872113d ago

They've treated ps bad over ms for 10+yrs. They now threaten Sony over ms current look at us PR move. Hmmmmmm seems pretty clear.

kevnb2113d ago

They even bashed pc when Microsoft wanted people to do so, even though they have huge sales on pc compared to Xbox.

Critic4l_Strik32113d ago

on a different note. We have the same profile picture.

gamer78042113d ago

OR because the majority of developers with multiplayer games believe that crossplay is also a big deal.

BlackTar1872113d ago

They should get into the business of hardware then.

rainslacker2113d ago

The majority? Is that why so few games have had cross play between ps and pc for well over a decade now?

Z5012112d ago

I don't think you know the definition of majority.

gamer78042112d ago (Edited 2112d ago )

the he majority of developers who have spoken on the matter I mean. More who have commented on it said it would be a good thing.

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alb18992113d ago

Incredible how creative you get to justify every Sony mistake.

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SegaGamer2114d ago

Critical? Get a grip. Most people don't even care. You ask the average casual gamer about cross play and the majority of them won't even know what you are talking about.

My stance on this hasn't changed. I would like to have cross play, but it's not something I am all that concerned about. If it happens, it happens and if doesn't, then I'm really not all that fussed.

So much crap coming out of Bathesda in the last week.

Mr_Wilson2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Those casual players that don't understand or care are the reason this matters for this casual game. Bethesda don't want someone to fire up the game on their iPhone and have to deal with complications.

"Do you want your matchmaking and account progression be limited to the Playstation matchmaking pool, or the Xbox/Nintendo pool?*
*Warning: If you choose the wrong option you may not be able to play with your friends. This decision cannot be changed later"

TheGamingArt2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Right, because every game with a SSO worked like this before Fortnite (rolls eyes). You people need to realize the Fortnite developers messed up and SSOs on non cross platform games have been around and working just fine for a very long time. The problem that kicked this off consists of the Fortnite developers not handling what they would call an “edge case” well. Blame them and stop taking their blame game bait like a sucker.

Mr_Wilson2113d ago

This isn't like Fortnite. This is a turn-based game, that you can play a bit on your PC or console while you're at home or at work, and continue the session on your phone when you're out and about. Unlike Fortnite (and Fallout 76 etc), the multi-platform element fundamentally changes the ways you can play it.

"You people" need to put your console warrior nonsense to one side, and embrace common sense.

showtimefolks2113d ago

Ps4 offers cross play with pc and mobile

GTgamer2113d ago

Yeah because the biggest games of this year will be on my phone mannnnnnnnn what?

Mr_Wilson2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

@Showtime Yes. Who said different?

@GT the biggest game in the world right is surely Fortnite by most metrics, and yes it is on mobile. I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

rainslacker2113d ago

Bethesda isn't known for trying to minimize complications that their customers may experience

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trooper_2113d ago

When the average Joe buys consoles, they care about one thing only.

GAMES.

Bethseda needs to take a backseat, close the trap and make solid games people care about.

BlackTar1872113d ago

They want Sonyto listen to them but treat Sony 2nd rate.

showtimefolks2113d ago

Black

They think playstation fans have forgotten how badly they treated us yet now they care I say screw it. If they want this than Sony should say if you don't want to release this on ps4 none of your future games will be on playstation and we will see real fast how their attitude changes

Playstation brand isn't dependant on one game or one developer

Saigon2113d ago

@showtimefolks

That is what I was going to say, is the PlayStation Brand/System that dependent on one game. One game that is multiplat. Yeah, I am not trying to catch what they are throwing.

Sciurus_vulgaris2114d ago

Cross-play is most beneficial to smaller games and games with smaller user bases. Big games like Fallout 76 likely will have large player bases on all its respective platforms. A hypothetical console release of Quake Champions however would likely benefit very significantly from cross-play as arena shooters don't hold large players when compared to more casual shooters. Cross-play can be seen as benefical and user friendly. However, cross-play likely doesn't have as big of an impact as some are claiming.

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SoulWarrior2114d ago

Allowing people to sell their used games is critical.

russo1212113d ago

That's the big issue, not xplay.
I'm amazed how a corporation get into console flame wars, I just don't understand what is the purpose for something no one cares about and makes a great fuss about it.
Me, as a Sony console user, I don't need xplay.

ChristopherJack2113d ago

They do, Bethesda's issue was an unauthorised 3rd party listing their game as brand new on Amazan despite Bethesda being unable to cover the warranty like a true brand new game from an authorised reseller.

I don't mind people getting pissy about stuff like this but at least know what you're getting pissy about first.

What I find more interesting is the anti-consumer approach consumers are taking to xplay. The first thing you say on this site, every time, is the blatantly obvious "it's not in Sony's best interest" or "Sony doesn't need", as if that were relevant.

rainslacker2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Except Bethesda doesn't require resellers of their games to be authorized. I know I never signed something for them, and have sold a few of their games over the years. Sold as new. If they required warranty service, then that's on Bethesda, because I also never signed anything saying I'd provide that service on their behalf.

Atanasrikard2113d ago (Edited 2113d ago )

Is this sarcasm? Who isn't able to sell used games? Bethesda?

Jinger2113d ago

When did bethesda ever say you can't sell used games? They said you can't sell used games as "New" like that guy was trying to do.

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Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica Remakes are reportedly in the works, not Resident Evil 1

Industry insider Dusk Golem reveals that there is no Resident Evil 1 Remake in the works. Instead, Capcom are reportedly in active development of Resident Evil Zero and Code Veronica.

-Foxtrot1d 12h ago

RE Zero would be better to do first over RE1 because they can tie the story into RE1 more.

The original RE Remake was weird because Rebecca never mentioned anything about what happened in Zero and it felt so disjointed because Zero was developed during the Remake and they clearly didn't share any notes with one another.

Cacabunga10h ago

Wise decision. 2 of my favorites!

Knightofelemia1d 9h ago

Give me Dino Crisis dammit Capcom

TGG_overlord15h ago

And all it took was +24 years + a phone call from me lol.

GotGame8187h ago

LOL! A phone call from you? ROFL! They have been remaking RE games for YEARS! It was a matter of time!

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Metal: Hellsinger dev says he is against Game Pass after seeing how it affects sales

Founder of Metal: Hellsinger studio says he wasn't against Game Pass until their game launched on Microsoft's service, which affected game sales.

TheProfessional20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Why did PS copy gamepass if it's so terrible and unprofitable? PS Now was before gamepass but it was streaming trash that no one had any interest in.

And honestly the way the industry releases overpriced and broken games with day one season passes and dlc who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?

Only biased PS fans would defend paying more to a corporation rather than an option that's cheaper for the consumer overall. If it's from an indie studio that needs the sales that's different but games published by larger companies are fine on a subscription model. Also any of these devs who complain did decide to put their games on gamepass in thr first place.

ocelot0718h ago

Ahhh yes the typical but but but Sony in a Microsoft article.

When did Sony copy Microsoft? I havent seen Sony's big day one titles such as God of war Ragnarok or GT7? Do you want to know why they are not on the service? Because people are still willing to PAY for the games. Sony has already admitted they lost millions putting Horizon Forbidden West and Ratchet & Clank on PS+ Extra.

"larger companies are fine on a subscription model" Oh really? So why is all the cod games yet to be on it? Where is elden ring? Resident Evil 4 Remake? Street Fighter 6? Boulders Gate 3? Alan Wake 2? Where are they of gamepass is great and big publishers are fine putting newer games on it?

I'll tell you where they are. They are currently still selling for their respected publisher's. You know actually making them money. That money they can use to fund the next project.

who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?

I'm one of the millions who much rather pay $70 so fully support the publisher. Why do we do this? Well for starters I rather just pay for it rather than keep renting it each month. If we all just kept renting years ago blockbuster would still be around. Secondly, I rather we have AAA titles in 10 years time to enjoy. Rather than play mobile quality crap from a subscription.

Tell me how this is a good thing for gaming going forward. The last time I subbed to Gamepass was October 2023. During that one month subscription I played the newly released Starfield, Forza and a few other titles. All for the cost of about $7. Since then Microsoft have not released anything I want to try out or put anything on GP I want to try. So they last made $7 from me 8 months ago.

In the last 3 months. I have bought Sea of Thieves on PS5 (earning MS more money on that than my 1 month subscription to gamepass). Resident Evil 4 for £20 and Diablo 4 for £25 (again earning MS more buying this than buying a sub). Tell me how it's best for gaming I pay $7 and play the latest and greatest for a month. Rather than just buying what I want even if it means waiting a few months and getting it cheaper than full price yet earning the publisher more than renting said games of a monthly sub.

darthv7211h ago

...but didn't this game leave GP and then join PS+?

If a sub service is so bad, why get into another one right away?

Cacabunga10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Finally devs waking up! More will follow .. reminds me of capcom during PS3,360 era almost going bankrupt they released extremely poor games because Xbox gave them paychecks not to release them on PS3 for as period. Sales were terrible and they went away from that.

Hofstaderman18h ago

Sony has never released new titles day one. They experimented with Forbidden West which was fairly new and quickly discovered that it cannabalized sales. XBOX gamepass was always an act of desperation to remain relevant and in their desperation they effectively dug their grave where today everybody is biding their time for their formerly exclusive titles. In a nutshell GamePass made XBOX not relevant.

Plague-Doctor2711h ago

It wasn't desperation. Subscription Models had a very different outlook in 2017 and then with the gaming surge during COVID reaching critical mass seemed more and more possible.

Phil convinced Satya to chase a trend and it hasn't worked out

shinoff21836h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Pretty much. People can say what they want but Ms said it themselves with the court papers. It was definitely desperation. Xbox was getting it handed to them. They were desperate.

lellkay17h ago

Literally dev who put game on gamepass:
It's not good

TheProfessional: but but sony but sony

S2Killinit16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Sony didnt copy MS. MS copied Sony, then MS went on to make xbox a subscription device. Remember that part? Yeah.

MrNinosan16h ago

You're not too bright, right?

First of all, Sony didn't copy Microsoft regarding PS+ and GamePass, which you admit to early in your comment, but with some faults. PSNow was not only streaming.
The mentality at Xbox gamers, is to NOT buy games, because they are used to get it on GamePass, preferbly day 1 like with all Xbox Studios games.

This is not a thing at PS+ and never was.
Sure there was plenty day 1 games on PS+ like, Rocket League, Stray, Sea of Stars, Tchia, Operation Tango etc, but those didn't take away from gamers that it was more like a "bonus" than a "thing".

Playstation gamers buy games, a lot of games and PS+ has been proving to be way better for business than GamePass, both by actually having more subscribers but also no eating up sales.

dveio16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

"Only biased PS fans would defend paying more to a corporation rather than an option that's cheaper for the consumer overall.“

How can you possibly come to this conclusion?

First, you pay for a subscription.

Then download games. But games will eventually leave the service. You will again need to buy them if you want to play them ever again. Or if you cancel your subscription. Right?

Eventhough this may NOT have an effect on every subscriber, this IS in fact the economical motiviation behind the service like GP.

If you are not already paying "double" this way, you pay at a 1.2 or maybe even at a 1.5 ratio eventually than opposed to simply buying the game in the first place.

As I said, this maybe doesn't apply to every subscriber. But this doesn't erase the fact of this business model existing. And possibly keep growing.

It's driving me nuts at times that especially the die hard Xboxers seem not to understand what they are actually cheering for foolishly.

The Wood15h ago

xbots always tryna group...

..they'll never understand or refuse to acknowledge why these two console brands are miles apart. Gamespass isn't the golden egg some would have you believe. Its hit its peak and is nowhere near the demanded target of subs by the purse holders

The Wood15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

xbots always tryna group...

..they'll never understand or refuse to acknowledge why these two console brands are miles apart. Gamespass isn't the golden egg some would have you believe. Its hit its peak and is nowhere near the demanded target of subs by the purse holders. on top of that it seems more devs on top of the devs that have shunned the service are not seeing the value of subs vs actual sales. Sell first, sub later works better than sub off the bat. MSGaming has a major sea change decision to make regarding COD. Do they release it dod and lose a high portion of up front revenue or either up the price of gp on the whole or create an even higher sub tier to cushion the blow or don't release it on gp at all and potentially damage the good will gesture reiterated not too long ago. The acquisition money wasn't free money....they'll have to pick their poison

anast13h ago

"Why did PS copy gamepass if it's so terrible and unprofitable?"

They didn't copy GP. They aren't dumb enough to put their exclusives day 1.

"Who wouldn't want to just pay for a subscription instead of $70 per game?"

People who don't like to rent things.

outsider162411h ago

It's funny when he says who wouldn't pay for a subscription instead of paying 70$. Well no shit...if MS keeps releasing average titles who wouldnt..🤣

Cockney9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

The reason is playstation didn't copy anybody and they don't release broken games, their games are still not day 1 and Ps players still buy games so ps+ is just an option for those that want a subscription service, the fact playstation doesn’t push it front and centre should tell you a lot.
On xbox gamepass IS front and centre with an option to buy games on the side, look how that is panning out for them!
Xbox fans are the only ones trumpeting this from the rooftops

shinoff21838h ago

Weren't we able to download ps3 on ps3 and ps4 on ps4 systems back then I really don't remember.

Truth is Ms still copied Sony and made a couple adjustments. One adjustment being day one games which clearly has been xboxs issue hence the ps5 releases, and they groomed the base to not buy games.

romulus237h ago

To be fair it takes it's own level of bias to not see the harm day one game pass is doing to xbox and the industry as a whole. Harm that xbox themselves have admitted to.

ChasterMies7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

“Why did PS copy gamepass”

This is a long story that spans decades. Sony subscription services for games (PS+ and PS Now) before Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft weren’t the only ones. We’ve seen OnLive die, Google’s Stadia die, and disc rental services die. What made Game Pass successful is the amount of money Microsoft is able to lose. Everyone expected Sony to offer a one-to-one Game Pass competitor and they did. To actually make money, Somy sells its own games for at least a year before relegating them to PS+. Sony also has scale. More PS5s sold means more users which means more money. Will these subscription services last? Probably not. Few things do.

Flewid6383h ago

As a huge fan of PS Premium, I don't recall a single AAA game launching on it. Even a AA game.

Everything I've found on PS Premium has already been out for sometime. Better selection too. There are games I trialed that I said "yup, I'm buying".

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Skuletor19h ago

I feel no sympathy for the guy, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that putting your game on gamepass would affect sales.

JEECE14h ago

Seriously, how is it that devs need one of their games to bomb in sales due to Gamepass for them to realize what so many people could easily predict? Like people joke about "armchair CEOs" on here, but at least with respect to the effect of Gamepass, we keep seeing that the armchair CEOs are actually smarter than the real heads of these indie studios.

Skuletor6h ago

Probably short-sightedness when he saw that initial Microsoft check, temporarily made all reason jump out the window 🤑

shinoff21836h ago

In some of the devs defense they know the game won't sell. So why not take the gamepass check. Hopefully yaluza/like a dragon sell decent on Xbox. I'd like to keep this series around.

dveio18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

The 'day-one' feature is the breaker or maker with GP, business-wise.

GP is no Netflix.

Because, from all the Marvel's Avengers to Sicarios, illustratively speaking, they all had their box office money. Before they had entered Netflix.

This concept shows you what Microsoft have actually put themselves into.

And what situation studios put themselves into if they go day-one into GP.

solideagle13h ago

GP/PS Extra day one is best suited for GAAS or free to play games

truthBombs18h ago

Why not sell your game the traditional way first? Then after about 6 months to a year put it on a sub service.

Day one on gamepass is a gamble. It works for some (Pal world) and not for others.

anast13h ago

It's the old psych. experiment. Set out some candy and tell the person they can have it all now, or if they wait, they can have double the amount. Most choose the first option, then complain when it doesn't work out for them.

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Istanbul based developer teases new game based on Turkish mythology

Shadowfall Studios have announced via X.com the studio is now an official PlayStation partner.

darksky1d 18h ago

https://www.shadowfallstudi...

Looks like a Skyrim clone. Very interesting if done well.

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Terry_B1d 17h ago

Is there even one good game created in the Turkey so far?

PitbullMonster1d 17h ago

Metin 1&2 and the Mount and Blade Series are the most known ones.

Michiel19891d 17h ago

Metin ....how dare you name that in the same sentence with the word "good"

Cacabunga1d 14h ago

Crytek says hi.. learn before posting

Zeke681d 13h ago

"Crytek was founded by the Turkish-German brothers Cevat, Avni and Faruk Yerli in September 1999 in Coburg, Germany."

So he's right, Crysis games are not made IN Turkey... ;)

Terry_B1d 9h ago

Just as Zeke mentioned..Crytek is a German developer, created by a turkish guy who lives there, was probably born there.

What I meant are games completely made in the country

MrNinosan1d 5h ago

@Terry
3 turkish guys, not 1.

ghostliving1d 4h ago

-Mount & Blade: Warband
-Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord
-Oddmar
-Anomaly Agent
-Demonologist
-Stygian: Reign of the Old Ones
-Cardboard Town
-Conarium
-Monochroma

S2Killinit1d 9h ago

What is turkish mythology? They don't have a mythology of their own. Unless we are going to rewrite history? Can someone fill us in on what mythology turkey has.

Eonjay1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

It could mean folklore, proverb, or even fairytale like Jack and the magic beanstalk. It could even just be lore about historical figures like you even see in American culture like Jonny Appleseed (a real person whose life story was mythologized).

S2Killinit1d 6h ago

I see. I was thinking in terms of actual deities. But that makes sense.

purple1011d 4h ago

You know that thing called google. (Or DuckDuckGo, depending on preference 😏)

Have a go at it sometime. It’s good

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

TheCaptainKuchiki16h ago

Do you even know what "mythology" means?

S2Killinit6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Yes I do, which is why I know turkey does not really have one of its own. At least not in the same sense as some ancient cultures that have a mythology that is separate and distinct from the rest.

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