The Deafening Silence In Camp Sony Should Be Frightening For Its Competitors

GameRVW takes a look at the other side of the coin, and what the future may hold for Sony and its flagship PlayStation console.

[Eonjay]

There are many layers to this. First the PS4 is so successful that Microsoft probably wants nothing more than for the PS4 gen to end. Second, as Drake mentioned "a wise man once said nothing at all". The Xbox One X was featured last E3 and this E3 Microsoft is already talking about a successor? The announcement of new hardware isn't gonna help sales of older hardware. Microsoft is so scared of having inferior hardware that they are already trying to set expectations this far in advance.

And with the rumors of Navi being made for the PS5 maybe they should be scared.

The truth is they haven't been silent at all. They just aren't as heavy to the PR constant spin, headline grabbing, twitter persona fest as the main competitor.

[Srhalo]

I feel like Microsoft has given up on growth and is just focusing on the core. it's the only explanation for why they keep talking about future devices so early. The non-core who hears a new console is right around the corner is just going to wait.

I feel like the X for example is mostly being bought by people who previously had an One versus new owners.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Srhalo

"I feel like the X for example is mostly being bought by people who previously had an One versus new owners."

I agree. but there´s a lot of Playstation and Nintendo console owners that never ever had an Xbox console before. IMO, the X is far more appealing to non Xbox gamers than the OG Xbox One ever was.

Phil Spencer´s Xbox One consoles are far better than Mattrick´s OG Xbox One console.

[Goldby]

@obsure

I'd have to disagree on the one x statement.

The s would be far more appealing than the one x for non xbox players, at least Imo.

Why spend 500$+ for a console you would only be playing a handful of games on. No one would start their collection over just to brag about 4k on exclusives and 3rd party titles they already own on playstation.

If I were to buy one. I'm not going anywhere near the x. Waste of money when I can get the same thing out of the one s.

[Aenea]

@obscure

Ehh, no, don't think the One X is more appealing if you've never owned an X1 before. If people buy an X1 now and already own a PS4, it's because they want to play exclusives and let's face it there aren't enough to warrant the price of the One X when a One S is more than sufficient for that. Someone heavily invested in PS4 isn't suddenly going to change preferred platforms, their friends won't go with and their trophies and all their bought games aren't being transfered automatically either so the PS4 will still be their main console.

If you only own the Switch, hmm, well, then there are quite a few games on X1 that aren't on the Switch and then suddenly a One X might be more appealing to some, then again if you only own a Switch at this moment in time you probably don't care all that much about power and resolution.

So no, the One S is still the most appealing Xbox for non Xbox gamers...

[Obscure_Observer]

@Goldby @Aenea

"The s would be far more appealing than the one x for non xbox players, at least Imo."

Fair point. But notice that i said that (imo) the X is far more appealing for non Xbox players when in comparission with the OG Xbox One back in the day. Obviously because it was underpowered and overpriced at launch thanks to mandatory Kinect. I wasn´t talking about the S, which is also a "Phil Spencer´s console".

"If I were to buy one. I'm not going anywhere near the x. Waste of money when I can get the same thing out of the one s."

I disagree. You can´t get the same out of the S. If you buy an Xbox console because of exclusives, one would guess that you want the best from those games. Both visually and performance.

In the end all comes down to personal preference. But for what i understand, you can´t have native 4K Games on the S for your brand new 4K tv. You´ll not be able to play Forza Horizon 4 at 60fps or even Gears 5 on SP mode at 60fps either just to name a few. Now, if you are a console only gamer, whose neither more games at 60fps whose also has way higher resolutions aren´t your thing, then yes, the S would be the perfect choice for you. :)

Edited - @Aenea

"Someone heavily invested in PS4 isn't suddenly going to change preferred platforms, their friends won't go with and their trophies and all their bought games aren't being transfered automatically either so the PS4 will still be their main console."

Miss, nobody said anything about PS4 owners leaving Playstation for Xbox. Please, don´t turn this conversation into some fanboy bs argument.

[Godmars290]

" IMO, the X is far more appealing to non Xbox gamers than the OG Xbox One ever was."

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Try, more expensive. It's accurate.

[jaydiggler]

Probably mostly true, I had the One and the S and I upgraded to the X. But I personally have 3 friends that never owned a microsoft console before and they purchased the X, so there is some appeal to non xbox owners.

[Jinger]

"Mostly" may be true, but a couple of my friends and my brother in law bought the X without having a One. The 4k games and 4k player was a big factor in their decision

[Goldby]

Obscure

And that's the issue I have with ms.

If they are only able to hit the 60 fps on their most recent overpriced 3rd console for their racing games, than that's an issue I have with how they develop their games.

I could care less about 4k. Resolution doesn't make a bad game good or a good game great.

Tetris is still Tetris even if it's 4k or even 8k.

For me, only one that would be worth it is the one s cuz the one isn't available any more

[kevnb]

I feel like the x is mostly just sitting on shelves...

[slavish0]

People bought xbox s even though they announced x was coming in a year. People still buy xbox when all games are on pc. So no people aren't going to wait because they are working on future hardware. People buy iPhone x knowing there will be a better one next year. There are so many examples of y u dont know what you are talking about

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@Obscure_Observer,

Yeah, nah, there's almost nothing a Xonex can offer me this gen that I can't get out of my 360 (I'd probably prefer the og xbox over it too). If what little games I do want come to PC then I can safely ignore the Xone all together and invest more heavily into a Switch (I already plan to anyway).

Even 4k is not a compelling argument, I bought a very good 4k TV which has one of the best upscalers, not ideal but very playable. And since I can get almost every game it has on pc, I still win because I can play them in 1440p or 4k.

[NeoGamer232]

That is not true. We see articles quite often on N4G about "Why should Microsoft continue with consoles?" and "Microsoft isn't going to build another console because they want you on PC".

By stating they have another console coming, they are creating certainty for people that buy and XB that there will be another device. And if they can ship their console with a bunch of great games a year earlier than PS they can may be able to return to the success that the 360 had by shipping a year earlier than PS3.

Microsoft is catering to its core and loyal customers. That is definitely important to keep the market share they do have. But, by going and buying those five studios they are also looking forward in building new games and that has been the biggest complaint about XB is the lack of its own exclusives. So they are addressing the issue.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@NeoGamer232,

They could get out first, but the first year for most consoles is generally barren game-wise or it's full of games that release on both new and previous gens. Hopefully those new studios do bring some worthwhile exclusives to the table to make the next xbox relevant.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Eonjay

"The Xbox One X was featured last E3 and this E3 Microsoft is already talking about a successor?"

Why are you acting to be so surprised? How many idiots said that Xbox was dead and that Xbox One X would be Microsoft´s last console? Phil Spencer has a clear roadmap and defined plan for X´s successor even before the X got released.

FYI, Phil Spencer talked about the X´s successor way before this year´s E3! 4 months before the X even hit your local store´s shelves!

But hey, guess what? Fanboys thought that he was lying! And here we are.

Now you´re informed ;)

[gangsta_red]

Agreed, Phil addressed the biggest concerns fans, critics and fanboys had of Xbox and that did include addressing the rumors Xbox going "third party" or getting out of the console business.

He confirmed it was false by saying that they are working on another console.

Would people rather have Phil say nothing then possibly announce and debut the new console next year only so we can come back and complain that MS didn't say anything and forced users to buy an X? Because we all know that's exactly what the narrative would have been if that would happen.

As for the silence from the Sony camp, they've always been this way and maybe it has something to do with just how the Japanese operate. Western devs/publishers are more social media conscience from what I noticed they always like to keep fans/users engaged through some type of interaction online.

[Goldby]

If that was the case, ans he was actually talk g about the new console even before the x was out, he should stop being the head of the division.

The second you start talking about what is coming next, people begin yo hold off buying what's out now for what's coming.

[Eonjay]

The only reason why anyone would think that there would be no new Xbox systems is because no one is really buying it and if Microsoft was really interested in anything besides selling services, it would be putting out content on the level of Sony which doesn't even has as much capital as Microsoft.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Let's be honest, MS has been doing this all gen. Don't act like Phil needed to clear things up with the opposing fanboys so that is the reason he talked about Scarlet so early.

MS did the same thing with Cloud, DX12, "Scorpio", and now the next Xbox. They hyped each of these things incredibly early before they were actually viable and they did in order to garner hype in the brand. Xbox has been trailing the entire generation and overall it has been extremely lackluster.

People were disappointed when the XB1 came out running games at 720p with a $500 price tag. MS needed to sell people on the promise that their 1.3tf XB1 would magically become more powerful. So they hyped Cloud and DX12 in an unrealistic way and long before they would add any real benefit.

With the disappointment in power and rumors of a more powerful PS4 on the way MS needed something to counter that. They needed excitement and positive brand PR so they announced project Scorpio 18 months before it even released. This also helped kill the hype and sales of PS4 Pro.

[trooper_]

What clear roadmap?

They can't even get new, successful games out of the gate, lol.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@gangsta_red,

Considering the cultural trends over there, I would believe they don't put too much into having a presence with their users, but with their stellar performance this gen they don't really need to.

As for Microsoft debuting a new console, it's a case of "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't", people would be annoyed or upset either way.

[Tross]

@Eonjay Yeah, sometimes I wish MS's PR department would STFU, especially since it hasn't actually done them as many favours as they think. Ending the current gen won't be an automatic turnaround for them either, as Sony is definitely planning for the future too. They need to figure out where they went wrong this gen so they don't make the same mistakes, or Sony will trounce them again. I mean, gamers already know where MS went wrong, and here's hoping their latest E3 conference is a sign that they're starting to get it, but I'm not counting on it.

[rainslacker]

Biggest thing is is that Sony has enough to show off and market for the near future, that they don't need to lay out their long term plans to keep people excited for what may come. They can keep people.excited for what were getting soon, and they've set a good expectation that they'll keep delivering. If ms had a decent line up to really be excited for, they wouldn't be talking about 3-4 years from now, or how they may have this great potential if people just give them a chance.

[DarkZane]

"First the PS4 is so successful that Microsoft probably wants nothing more than for the PS4 gen to end"

I have no idea why they'd want that, they're just gonna get beaten as badly next-gen. You'd have to be a fool to be in a hurry to get beaten and humiliated again so quickly.

[jwillj2k4]

Microsoft is definitely that kid who thinks people are laughing with him...

[UCForce]

Sony doesn’t need to talk. They only talk when it’s necessary. Most of time, they will do more action.

[trooper_]

Agreed.

They let the games do the talking.

[-Foxtrot]

They usually make their mouths go nearer or after an event like E3 or Gamescom...they don't make their mouths go 24/7 like some. Maybe they know actions are louder then words.

[UCForce]

Like I said before, they only talk when it’s necessary.

[Obscure_Observer]

@-Foxtrot

"Maybe they know actions are louder then words."

Or maybe they´re waiting to know more about Microsoft´s next gen plans so they can react accordingly? You can say that Phil Spencer is running his mouth again as you usually do on Xbox articles, which actualy maybe be true, don´t get me wrong.

But i like how Phil Spencer is comming foward telling Xbox fans what to expect from Xbox in the future because i think it shows confidence and send a clear message that Microsoft will follow their own path (whatever it might be) instead of copying what Sony might do or what Nintendo is doing (Hybrid Console concept).

[Godmars290]

"Or maybe they´re waiting to know more about Microsoft´s next gen plans so they can react accordingly?"

Isn't MS the ones who "borrowed" tech from Sony for the 360? What have they done this gen that Sony needs to seriously be worried about?

At this point MS have really only made services rather than delivered games. Done damage control. So again, why should Sony state their plans when the competition only talks up what they've yet to do instead of the here and now?

[rainslacker]

They didn't wait for ms to announce it's plans for this gen. In fact, they caught ms off guard, to which ms actually delayed it's reveal conference after Sony had theirs. The ps3 reveal was a bit of an oddity because ms was forced to release the 360 early, but nothing in the ps3 seemed reactionary to the 360. The ps2 reveal wasn't reactionary. The ps1 reveal was a bit, but if stories are to be believed, it played out how they hoped, with Segas price being the only thing they were concerned about.

So.im not sure at this point what Sony would do other than what they already have planned, assuming those plans are complete, just because ms may throw them for a loop. This is especially true because ms seems.pretty predictable to me, and as of late, they haven't exactly been quiet about their future plans.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"This is especially true because ms seems.pretty predictable to me"

Yes.
Like Xbox One X "slighty" more powerful than PS4 Pro.
Like Xbox One X DOA
Like Game Pass as a free to play playground.
Like Game Pass not delivering AAA games like Forza Horizon 4 Day One.
Like Sea of Thieves DOA without Game Pass
Like SoD 2 DOA without Game Pass
Like Halo Infinite as a MP only game

You´re so EPIC. You´re so right. So on point. Your Crystal Ball is worth Trillions! /S

[rainslacker]

MS has been telling people all gen what to expect for the future. Even before the console launched. While that's not really that out of the ordinary during a console launch, , MS has now moved things moved the future of the Xbox One, to the next gen.

Anyhow.

-Like Xbox One X "slighty" more powerful than PS4 Pro.

Slight or extremes are a matter of interpretation. However, based on everything I've seen so far, the actual perceptible differences between the PS4P and X1X are pretty slight. When the specs were known, I never said the power difference was slight, just that the perceptible difference wasn't going to be that much, nor that apparent to the average gamer. I was right.

-Like Xbox One X DOA

Is the X1X a raging success? What are the numbers? Its not dead, nor did I say it'd be DOA. All we know is that X1 in general isn't doing that well compared to PS4/PS4P. I said it'd be a niche console for a niche market within the general console market. I don't know if I was right or not, because again, MS doesn't release numbers.

-Like Game Pass as a free to play playground.

That's vastly spinning what I said in a generalization about MS own content offerings. SoT is pretty much a F2P game without the MT right now, but they don't really need it with a $10 month sub service, and a $60 price tag for the game outside that. Beyond that, hard to say what will become of the service. Its still in its early stages.

-Like Game Pass not delivering AAA games like Forza Horizon 4 Day One.

Never said it wouldn't. but FH4 will likely have MT, and I could easily see it structured more like a GaaS....although not exactly a F2P game. If it doesn't, then great, maybe Game Pass is doing enough to support a title like this. Long term though, still no way that Game Pass can support multiple $50-100 million dollar budget games per year, while still offering up the mid-tier titles, plus the other 95% of games that will continuously be offered on the service. The only way it can support that is if their subs are very high, and so far, we don't know those numbers. but GP is in it's early stages, so MS will lose money in the interim with the hope of making a lot more later.

-Like Sea of Thieves DOA without Game Pass

Again, we don't know the actual sales of the game outside game pass, so who's to say that GP didn't keep it from being DOA? In any case, I never said the game would be DOA, I said that it had potential, although not for me, and that MS would have to do pretty much what they're doing now to make sure people stay engaged.

[rainslacker]

-Like SoD 2 DOA without Game Pass

Did anyone ever say this would be the case? I know I didn't. I knew the game had a cult following, and the last game did well enough.

-Like Halo Infinite as a MP only game

Its a proposition I made on nothing more than the trailer given MS penchant for moving towards GaaS, and the implication of the term infinite. Game may have a SP mode, but the way it was announced....."Play ALONG SIDE Master Chief", instead of "Play AS Master Chief", coupled with what Activision tried to do with COD:I which was supposed to be an endless MP experience for the long term, made me make a prediction. The current rumors suggest it'll be SP only, with the MP to follow later....but that's still a rumor. I may have been wrong, in which case, so what? It happens. You don't get a cookie when I'm wrong, nor when you point it out.

Now that I've cleared all that up, I will point out that when I said MS was predictable, I meant in the fact that they will make a lot of grand promises, talk about the future, then pretty much ignore the present and their current situation by posturing itself for long term good will they hope to gain by playing the good guy now.

[OB1Biker]

That makes me think of how Ms talked for months prior E3 about it being different from anything they did before?
Result was a very typical E3 presentation.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Sony needs to be a bit louder in certain cases though. MS is far better with their PR, even if it's bs most of the time it still makes them money. Sony is terrible at explaining things and selling themselves. Sony makes incredible products but they often bumble the messaging. MS generally makes inferior products but they do a marvelous job at selling them.

This gen could've easily been worse for Xbox. It could've been closer to Wii U status than people think. For 4 years MS was selling a weaker, more expensive console with no games yet they have managed decent numbers. The PS4 has more than doubled the XB1, but XB1 hasn't sold terribly. MS has done a miraculous job of keeping it afloat through pipe dreams, spin, and PR nonsense. MS knows how to sell, and it would be nice to see Sony take a little bit of that and inject it into their excellent product line.

The reason MS always talks about the future is because that's what they need to sell people on because they know the present is mediocre. They need to sell people on pipe dreams because they have nothing right now. It's just the truth. The entire gen has been like this.

[PowerOfTheCloud]

MS Pr may work on their fans but everyone else with a little bit of common sense can see through their constant hyperboling, twisting and smearing.

So no sony should keep on going on with not constantly making themselves look like completely incompetent douches.

[AspiringProGenji]

Did you really have to mark my comment when I was asking for help? Really?

Oh well, I hope someone sees it and sends me a message. I would appreciate it

I apologize Mods.

[TheVigilanteCode]

Rule no.1 of GPU OC: When you get a green screen, it's the equivalent of a blue screen during a CPU OC. i.e. an unstable OC.

Wither 3 is both, a CPU and a GPU intensive game. It was pushing your card to it's limits, i.e. load, and that's what we need. So, don't worry there.

Always push the core clock by +10 MHz and memory clock by +50 MHz (save the settings > exit afterburner) and check for stability i.e. run Witcher 3. See if you get a green screen again. If not, push another +10 MHz to the Core Clock and +50MHz memory clock and repeat the same.

Eventually you will get a green screen. This is where you need to increase the power limit slider +5. Now check the green screen again. If it does green screen again, push another +5 on the power limit until it doesn't green screen while you run a game on load. Play around a little more with the core clock + memory clock + power limit until you hit a sweet spot and save the settings, and of course, run Witcher 3 again to test green screen. Once everything is stable, save the settings to a profile and run it when you run a game (I recommend this), not while normal computing tasks.

If your Core Voltage is grey'ed out then it's a factory binned card, so leave it as it is and don't worry about it.

Note: Most stable GPU OC's are around the 10% mark, so beware of pushing anything beyond this (core clock, memory clock and power).

[AspiringProGenji]

Thanks you very much! I'l try this

[FGHFGHFGH]

you can unlock voltage control in settings, but if you're not sure what you are doing, don't mess with it. You can also set afterburner to start with windows, so you don't have to mess with it every time. I also recommend setting up custom auto fan control. You really don't need to overclock a 1080 though, are you trying to play at 4k?

[AspiringProGenji]

You are right! I don't have to overclock it as it is a beast. i was just curious about how much further OC could push it

[DeadSilence]

They don't need to talk but bombs will be drop around 2020 in a Playstation Meeting, until there Ps4 will keep it's insane domination.

[isarai]

Pretty sure any Sony studio that has had a release in the last year or so is now working on next gen games at this point. So it's likely going to be pretty quiet till we get the PS5 announcement

[MrSec84]

It'll most likely be announced next Spring, with a Fall 2019 release window.

[MrSec84]

@stefan_771: No they haven't, they said that PS4 Pro was their mid gen refresh, all but one generation had 6 years time before a new one began and PS4 launched in Fall 2013, Fall 2019 will be exactly 6 years.

Sony's own financials actually point to 2019 being when PS5 will release.
Their own comments about crouching down to stand tall actually show a similar wish to release new gen software at a similar timeframe to this gen after PS5 launching.

It took around a year and a half to 2 years for major releases to hit PS4, though they still released PS4 in 2013, there will be tonnes of people who bought a PS4 early who will be happy to buy PS5 early in the generation.
There's no way Sony will go 8 years before releasing a new platform after launching the current one, the longest they've ever gone is 6 and a half globally.

[MrSec84]

You realise software and online services will be sold on new generation hardware right?

I see you have no arguments for the points I raised, because there aren't any.

Sony has never gone more than 6 and a half years between launching generations around the entire globe.
They called PS4 Pro their mid gen refresh when it would launch 3 years since PS4 released.
7nm has already entered mass production stage.
Plenty of Devs will be ready to launch major games late next year, with next gen already being mentioned by Bethesda and other publishers have been confirmed to have PS5 Dev kits.
Sony didn't announce major new PS4 exclusives at the biggest event of the year, despite them having tonnes of resources freed up to be working on new projects.

Their own revenue projections conveniently omit 2019 and 2020, where new gen hardware would drive profits down owing to the beginning of a new gen start.
2021 actually looks very stable, which indicates this is when PS5 would be bringing their revenue back to a similar place to when their consoles are doing well.

There's nothing to indicate 2021 is when PS5 will launch, evidence supports 2019, only a delay in processor fabrication readiness for new APUs or general Processing tech for next gen consoles would cause a delay, but that would undoubtedly be into 2020, not 2021.

It makes no sense to wait, not when early adopters will buy PS5's in the millions in Holiday 2019.

[Rimeskeem]

Everyone knows Sony is best when no one knows what they are doing.

[jelloaceomega]

Just like when "eNoS Lives: or "U r not ready!"

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

Don't think that with Microsoft buying Ninja Theory is really all that big of a hit for Playstation. For the most part their games weren't that great.

[OB1Biker]

Its great for Xbox. I don't see how its a 'hit' on PlayStation though. More like a drop in the ocean.
The article is biased even if the author funnily thinks he s not.

[Silly gameAr]

It seems like Sony hasn't said to much this gen, unless they really had too. Honestly, I like that approach. It's better then feeling like they're always in PR mode and trying to constantly puff up their products.

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[gangsta_red]

I like extra cheese on my pizza personally.

[Tobse]

Looks like a lot of people dont

[TheVigilanteCode]

I think they're in a position to reply with a deafening silence.

Their first party content is so strong that they dictate where the console industry goes. Consumers flock to where they want, and it happens to be PS4 this gen because they like it's games, which cannot be played anywhere else, just like the PS2.

They will have to be careful about this though and not get arrogant as they became during the 1st 3 years of the PS3, even though it passed the Xbox 360 in the end with pure sales of that generation.

Nail the price, secure the 3rd party AAA and indie dev support, and as usual, show the amazing 1st party content, with other pro consumer features like backwards compatibility, store refunds, PSN name change, (maybe) free online (if microsoft does it).

^^ All this, won the PS1, won the PS2, (already) won (except the BC, refunds, PSN part) the PS4 and it will definitely win the PS5.

[sampsonon]

"Lastly, and perhaps least critically given Sony’s perpetual popularity, it would be great if they shed some of the bad feeling around their recent PR activities, if only to demonstrate the fact that their considerable consumer base is hugely important, and should be treated as such."

What? lol

Games Games Games and more Games.

Don't worry about the consumer base, we are doing just fine thank you.

they just don't get it do they? Exclusivity = success.

[Abnor_Mal]

To me, that sounds like the article author slyly asking (begging) for crossplay.

[sampsonon]

100%

[Legatus]

Their exclusives talk louder than any PR experts in the gaming industry.

[Godmars290]

More so when one of the said competitors often says nothing, and has even less to show for it?

[BlaqMagiq1]

Their actions are doing the talking for them. That's why they have the sales AND exclusives.

[Adisoftcafe]

Most of my friends went from Xbox Phat or S to Pro, not to X, because most of Xbox exclusives are 2-4 years old and the games that came after Forza Horizon 3 are not so good.

[senorfartcushion]

Wow. Propaganda much?

[ReBurn]

It's just more clickbait.

[rainslacker]

About the only thing that has a 3:1ratio in favor of ms this gen is the number of propaganda articles. Every week we see 3-4 articles about how awesome x box is now because of all the things Spencer is doing.

[PowerOfTheCloud]

Rainslacker don't forget the articles about evil sony not handing their userbase to the competition and the good comrades @ ms are fighting to unify the consoles, not for business reasons but totally selfless for the oppressed gamers

[senorfartcushion]

1. Don't care about Xbox

2. No. Go on the homepage. Almost every trending article every minute is ps4-related.

3. Why does this even happen? A faceless conglomorate shouldn't be as popular as it is on N4G. They aren't your friend.

[rainslacker]

1. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

2. Went to the home page. Saw two articles related to Sony. One was about Spider-man and showing off it's in game assets and world. The other was about Sony hosting a camp for STEM. Most trending articles at the moment were about games, and not system specific.

3. It happens because the media itself is in it for themselves, not for the companies.

[stuckNhere4Good]

SIE's deafening silence speaks volumes... It says PS5 is coming soon.

[Einhander1971]

I’ve bought an X for mainly backwards compatibility and the enhanced quality titles.

[IamTylerDurden1]

There is no reason for Sony to boast about their next console. PS4 is enormously successful and continues to be the market leader. Talking about PS5 would only hurt sales. There are certain cases were Sony should talk more, but this isn't one of them. MS talks about the future because they need something to excite the fanbase and they need to stay relevant. Sony doesn't need to talk in order to excite people, games like God of War and Spiderman do the talking for them.

The possible game of gen recently came out in God of War, Spiderman looks to possibly match that, and oh by the way Sony is the only console supporting VR. The Persistence is awesome. PlayStation doesn't need false excitement, they have it in spades already.

[Davidgr2]

Sony doesn’t need to say anything.. their amazing exlcusive games do all the talking.

[Moquiao]

At the PS4 reveal Microsoft was like; "Someone set up us the bomb."

Now as the end of this generation is getting near Sony is like; "All your base are belong to us."

[jznrpg]

Sony just needs to keep doing what they have done from the start, make great first party games of all varieties and support 3rd party devs . Talk is cheap and Sony doesn’t overdo it , the other guys are mainly talk .

[Avalanche]

Whoever launches first wins. If the xbox launches a full year before tue ps5. Then sony will face an uphill battle. Publishers and developers always favor who has more consoles sold for marketing purposes. And marketing has a way a skewing peoples perception in what is better.

If they launch at the same time then it matters who has better PR.

Problem is....we arent ready nor do we need next gen to come anytime soon, so it looks like they will rush these next set of consoles because of what i said in the first paragraph

[derek]

No this is not true, Microsoft is the weaker brand by far. They need any advantage they can get and it still wont be enough.

[MrSec84]

Considering Microsoft launched first in the 7th gen and they got beat by both Sony and Nintendo you're pretty wrong there.

The company that sells the most hardware is usually the one that has the best global presence and besides last gen that's always been Sony, ever since they entered the console market.
If Microsoft focused on having a wide variety of different styles of games, then they could potentially be in the running, but until they realise the games come first they aren't ever going to pull ahead.

Launching first will only give them a time buffer, but since Sony has earned the respect of the community, by building a great brand and public perception they'll surpass any sales gap Microsoft creates if they were to launch a year before Sony.

They're not going to launch a new generation this year, considering Sony are most likely to launch PS5 Fall 2019 it's most likely next XBox will come out at the same time, if Microsoft are ready.

You say it's too soon for next gen to start, but by Holiday 2019 it will have been 6 years since the last gen began, tech will be ready, as will a bunch of new games and early adopters of 8th gen systems will be fine paying for new hardware.
2019 definitely won't be too soon for the 9th gen to arrive.

[DVAcme]

Slow and steady wins the race. If there's one word that defines Sony this gen, it's "consistency." They have consistently churned out the quality exclusives, they have consistently had the bigger library, consistently had the better online service, consistently had better technology (the PSVR has been a moderate hit), etc. Mcrosoft has been trying to reinvent the wheel trying to make stronger hardware trying to woo consumers, but Sony simply keeps the games coming and the hardware sells itself, even when objectively weaker than MS's. The XB1X may be a more powerful console than the PS4Pro, but which console has God of War? The Yakuza series? Spider-Man? Detroit? Uncharted 4?

And you can't say there's bias in the consumer either, cause Microsoft won last gen by a bare margin, and until Sony got its shit together, the PS3 was WAY behind for most of it. That would not have happened if the consumer was as biased towards Sony as people claim.

The fact remains that, except for the slight misfire with the PS3, Sony has consistently been the industry leader, and players will flock to the PS5 no matter when it's announced simply cause Sony know what they're doing. Microsoft's strategy just seems haphazard in comparison, and players want stability in their game platform.

[MAULxx]

You nailed it. MS lost a lot of their fan base this gen. I think they were losing some at the tail end of last gen. They lost them to Playstation & it had nothing to do with the market being bias. MS did it to themselves. It seems to me MS abandoned their core base for a broader audience & assumed that core would stay with them. They are still making the same mistake.

[DVAcme]

What I've always found most baffling is Microsoft's attempts to market the XB1 family as multimedia rigs to lure in non-gamers, trying to get people to use it for something other than gaming just smacks of madness to me. The only thing they're doing, I think, is bringing into contrast weaknesses in the system and veering away from their base. Remember when Microsoft had trumpeted that deal with the NFL? No, you don't, cause NO ONE CARED. And the fact remains that, in this day and age we live in, EVERYONE has at least a laptop PC, and the most basic PC does multimedia WAY better than the XB1 ever will. The XB1's web browser will never be better than Chrome or Firefox on PC. The media player in the XB1 will never be better than Windows Media Player, PotPlayer or VLC. The PS4 will never be better than the PC at this eaither, but they've NEVER tried to be nor have they mareketed themselves as such. They've marketed themselves as a GAME CONSOLE, and have been the industry leader as such.

As an extension of this attitude towards marketing, the XB1 has also become the console that seems to attract the most sports fans and dudebros, which is NOT a demographic you wanna cater to. This has made the online community within XBox Live EXTREMELY toxic, which is something that pushes away many gamers in favor of PS Plus.

Is multimedia capability nice? Yeah, it is. I wouldn't mind Sony updating their ancient web browser so I could stream my New Japan shows, or have a multimedia player that could read MKV and SRT files. But I have a PC for that, and for gaming, my PS4 is my go-to device. Meanwhile, MS's attempts at selling the XB1 to me as a multimedia device only makes me appreciate both my PC and my PS4 more for what they are.

[Bobafret]

Oh brother, what a silly headline.