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PlayStation isn’t just being non-inclusive, it’s being disruptive with Fortnite

If you have been monitoring any portion of E3 this week, you already know that Fortnite came to the Nintendo Switch. Now, as you may already know, Fortnite is literally the most popular game in the world and most players have already been playing on their PlayStations, Xboxes, PCs, and iPhones.

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Neonridr2180d ago

good.. I hope enough people keep this up. Sony needs to understand that it's not their right to take over something that doesn't belong to them. don't tell me it's in the rules of the PSN, blah blah blah. They are the first company to ever lock an account that has been linked to them before. They are setting a precedent that isn't ok. If it was MS doing this the amount of flak on this site would cause it to crash.

MuddyWaters2180d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a lawsuit. It would be like me using my GMAIL account and then buying a Windows 10 PC and not being able to read my e-mail messages.

PapaBop2180d ago

Honestly, Sony shouldn't block people with linked PSN accounts from accessing it on a different platform and I hope that changes BUT expecting crossplay from them is stupid. They'd gain very little while their competitors would directly benefit from their hardware sales success.

neutralgamer19922180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

neo

bro buy another console and enjoy don't need to hate on ps4. To much hating going on chill enjoy the game on another platform that suits to your needs

Muddy

not unless we signed some sort of an agreement to where sony isn't responsible it's not like any of us actually read those user agreements

crazyCoconuts2180d ago

Not defending Sony, but we don't see the whole picture as a consumer. The policy probably isn't new, it's just app coded for the restrictions. Use the destiny or battlefield app on your phone, and it supports multiple characters for multiple platforms linked to a single EA/Bungie account. Maybe Epic didn't support that functionality and Sony wasn't willing to change their policy (for $ reasons that I commented on elsewhere), and Epic is playing political hard ball with them now by blaming them for their own simplistic design

Neonridr2180d ago

@neutralgamer1992 - I own a gaming PC, PS4 (Pro) and Switch. I support multiple hardware, I am not tied to any one platform. But the fact that I wouldn't be able to use my Epic account because I linked it to my PSN is ridiculous. Again, if Sony wants to block crossplay, then fine. But don't lock my Epic account to that hardware, Sony doesn't even own that account.

fr0sty2180d ago

Making enough noise about it is the only thing that will make them cave on it.

r2oB2180d ago

I have linked my battlefield account with my PS3/Xbox 360 with Battlefield 3 and with my PS4/Xbox One for Battlefield 4 with no issues. I could see my stats for each game/console perfectly fine. Not sure how that 3rd party account works fine with PS4 and other platforms, but Fortnite doesn't. The blame might not be completely on Sony (or it may, who knows) because they allow linked accounts with other consoles for other games. The statement makes it seem like the issue stems from the lack of cross play, but Battlefield doesn't allow cross play and the account link works fine.

Razzer2180d ago

@r2oB

Sorry, but your experience is irrelevant because it doesn't mesh with the overall agenda on some on this site.

nowitzki20042180d ago

You guys are dumb. Sony doesnt need to play along with anyone.

No Way2180d ago

PapaBop - How exactly does cross play affect the other platforms positively?

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Kribwalker2180d ago

easy solution. Otherwise it’s gonna keep happening when the next big game comes out crossplay, and the next one after that and so on and so on

Eonjay2180d ago

I really don't care about including Xbox and Switch gamers with PlayStation gamers. There will never be a time where Xbox + PC + Switch + Mobile > PS4 + PC + Mobile. If you want to be a part of the biggest community, you will play it on mobile or PC or PS4.

If you insist on playing on a different console, you will have the smallest base: this time, and the next one and after that and so on and so on. It is not Sony's responsibility to cater to other consoles. It is not Apple's responsibilty to cater to Android users. You do not get a place at the table simply by existing.

russo1212180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

I am an PS4 owner and I don't need xplay. With the big amount of friends Xbox fanboys have why the need of xplay with Sony or Nintendo system's ?
I personally don't see an advantage to Sony players with xplay. Sony is doing the right things to protect their own customers, if you have any doubt just check their numbers.
With all the crap about Ms network being superior, how is possible fanboys want to be connected to an "inferior network, full of bugs" or whatever reason you can find in your imagination and nonsense?
Sony is doing the right move.

Or the problem is not xplay?

No Way2180d ago

Russo - The more players, for a game, the better. Don't twist it into some stupid fanboy war.

Crossplay benefits the gamers; not the companies.

NotoriousWhiz2180d ago

@Eonjay, false. If you want to play with the biggest community, you will play it on mobile or PC, as they can play with anyone.

salmonade2179d ago

Why are you pretending to actually care. I know the truth... it's you're absolutely full of crap.

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Rude-ro2180d ago

And I’ll cooy and paste my agenda as well since the gaming media seems rather coridinated with this message

The ps4 has 40-ish titles that offer crossplay with other competitors ie steam and Mac...
Microsoft offers about 17 with outside competitors... ie steam, Mac switch
Keep at it gaming press!!!
Sony is evil to their fans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

jojo3192180d ago

This has NOTHING to do with crossplay.

Neonridr2180d ago

you guys are so thick. What part of this doesn't have to do with crossplay do you not understand? Nobody cares that you can't play with PS4 owners if you own an Xbox or Switch. It has everything to do with the Epic account.

starchild2180d ago

Jeez, do you not get it? This has nothing to do with the Playstation vs Xbox imaginary console war bullcrap that many of you are so caught up in. This is a question as to what's right.

Rude-ro2180d ago

@jojo
It is crossplay games.
Has everything to do with ut

Sirk7x2180d ago

Most people aren't getting upset over the crossplay, they're getting upset over the fact that on every other platform, your Epic ACCOUNT is your account regardless of that platform. You can access that same account on PC, Mobile, Xbox, Switch. Some people have spent alot of money on this game. Now, if you decided to link an account to your PS4, you can no longer use that account on any other device. This obviously isn't what Epic intended. Sony has the right to refuse crossplay all day, but don't try to control a person's account that is handled by a third party company.

Gazondaily2180d ago

Are you daft? It's a third party account that Sony is holding to ransom. Why??

I'm just seeing people on this site act like utter corporate shills. Pathetic.

Rude-ro2180d ago

Oh.. I get it...
You all have dug through everything with a fine tooth comb and came up with one instance to “be angry” on a free to play game.
All within 24hrs..
I’m sorry if I confused the last years agenda and the many articles recently digging in about who is cross playing with who.
Glad this one instance has finally boiled the pot.
Let’s grab our pitch forks!!
I love how, out of the lifetime of gaming.. carrying your progress over from one console to another FINALLY MATTERS!!!
Nope. No agenda here.

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SierraGuy2180d ago

Ah shut up retarded Xbox Nintendo cry babies...you bought the wrong box now live with it and come to your senses. Waaaaaa!

jojo3192180d ago

Wait, so now there are "right" and "wrong" consoles? Interesting.....

Sirk7x2180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

As a PC, Xbox and Switch owner, I have no reason to be upset over this. Nor do I even particularly enjoy the game. I don't think you get it though. It's not the crossplay that people are getting upset about. It's a plus to have, but it isn't necessary. People are upset that if you link your Epic account to PS4, you can no longer use that account to play on the other devices. One, it's anti-consumer, as Sony doesn't own those accounts, and two, it's anti-developer, as obviously Epic wants people to be able to use their accounts across platforms, as it's literally possible on EVERY OTHER DEVICE. It's disrupting their vision of how they want the game to be. Yeah, I get it, Sony is God here, and it's a great console, and they usually provide good value to their customers, but you gotta speak up when they pull crap like that.

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RumHam2180d ago

If you only have one platform this isn’t an issue. What is so hard to understand? Gamers that have this issue are experiencing it because the HAVE a PS4!

SierraGuy2180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

You guys are right this is Epic's problem though and if it is Sony which had it in the fine print when signing Fortnite again it's Epic games' oversight...or they just didn't care and agreed.

Imagine they didn't agree and Fortnite never appeared on PS4 because of it? That may have been a possibility. Why Sony's legal dept would do such a thing is beyond me...if that's how it happened.

Really though if you truly love Fortnite you'll just make a second profile. Which sucks I know.

There's no denying that at their core Sony and Microsoft absolutely hate each other.

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gangsta_red2180d ago

Ugh, Microsoft is really pushing this PR propaganda to make Sony look bad right guys?

We all know Sony does crossplay with PC!

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jojo3192180d ago

PapaBop

This isn't about crossplay. It's about Basically losing all of your hours of playing, just because you want to play on Switch.

ziggurcat2180d ago

Does the same thing occur if you go from PS4 to Xbox with your Epic account?

Vizigoth042180d ago

Yeah man this is like the third one I think. Why is it such a bother? And also around God of War's release they had to pop up again like a wack a mole. I mean if Sony eventually decides to do it they'll do it on their own terms. Heck their next PlayStation update can come with both it and the Long awaited request of being able to change your Network ID. Sony's statement about it was to be able to protect users. Since then they've implemented the parental tools to build child accounts and applicable features. So now that that part is done, the cross play portion could be coming next.

senorfartcushion2180d ago

Haha. It's a corporation, you freak.

They don't know who you are.

SierraGuy2180d ago

This is epic's problem...allow users to transfer their account progress to another platform...easy. No cross play required.

Silly gameAr2180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

It's almost like they're trying to cause an uproar and make it seem like people are more outraged by this than they really are, right?

I'm not defending what Sony is doing. Just saying all of these articles coming at pretty much the same time seems suspicious, and the people that are barking the loudest about it have a history of not being on good terms with anything Sony or PlayStation related. You would think that the people that game primary on the ps4 would be the most upset, but I'm just not seeing that.

Gazondaily2180d ago

"Just saying all of these articles coming at pretty much the same time seems suspicious"

What? Fortnite for Nintendo Switch JUST came out yesterday. Obviously they discovered the problem now.

"You would think that the people that game primary on the ps4 would be the most upset, but I'm just not seeing that."

You're not seeing that bevause you're just reading comments on N4G which has a community that so strongly shills Sony it's ridiculous and the comments in these threads are proof.

So I played this on PS4. I bought content on the same account on PC. I now can't use my account on the Switch. Why is a THIRD party account locked off by Sony ?

Why come up with silly conspiracy theories in the first place?

Uken122180d ago

The reason it is a big deal because FN is f2p and relies on microtransactions. Which are all cosmetic. So now I can't use my outfits or add to my progress because of some problem with PS4 not allowing us to link it. But it can with PC and mobile just not Nintendo and MS. It doesn't seem like it is Epic doing this. Sony is blocking it for console dominance.

I'm ok with not allowing cross play, makes sense. But this is downright a scam and all the fools defending Sony are moronic. The same butthurt people who threw a fit about anything that isn't Sony. The same people who will ruin the score of another platforms stellar games on Metacritic.

Sony Master Race.

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CR7JUVE18972180d ago

I'm just curious as to why Epic is saying nothing on this situation, considering that they had to have known that this was going to happen. People want to blame Sony, but it's not just them that is the problem here. How does a company like Epic not anticpate this

Goldby2180d ago

they are kinda known for not being transparent with their product at times, even to the point of lying to their fans

MrBeatdown2180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

Exactly. Sony has their terms publishers must agree to.

Epic agreed. Just because they designed Fortnite in a way that fails to address this, doesn't mean it's Sony's fault. Nobody ever had a problem using their Rockstar Social Club account across platforms in GTA Online. Progress doesn't carry over, but you don't need a second account. That's solely Epic's failure to plan.

Sunny_D2180d ago

Dude, just cause Epic agreed to the terms doesn’t mean Sony isn’t at fault. Why make these stupid terms in the first place? I understand crossplay, but an entire third party account? Sheesh.

uth112180d ago

i use the same Ubisoft and EA accounts on PC and PS4 too

MrBeatdown2180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

Sony does not require a new third party account just because it is associated with a PSN account.

Millions of people used their Rockstar Social Club account to transfer their character from 360 to PS4 and from PS3 to Xbox One. That is an undeniable fact that Sony allowed a third party account to be tied to a PSN account and an Xbox Live account simultaneously, and for paid content (Shark card cash) paid for on one system to be used on another.

Dislike Sony's policies all you want. I don't like them. But understand that Epic did not do as good of a job handling this situation as they could have, and every design choice Epic made was not mandated by Sony.

The need for an entirely new account is entirely Epic's fault, and not mandated by Sony.

gangsta_red2180d ago

So you admit that you don't like this policy from Sony and yet it's Epic's fault?

Your hammering on about the Rockstar Social Club being able to carry over but some how that doesn't really fix this issue here with Epic.

Sony is blocking user's accounts who try and access this for their Switch. Accounts that have stats, gear and other cosmetic items that are paid for.

You can say it's an "undeniable fact" that Sony has let this happen before but now the fact is they are not letting it happen for Epic on one of the most popular games right now.

Why you believe that it's Epic's fault for thinking that maybe Sony might let this happen the same way they let it happen with the example you left is also mind boggling. Epic's wants their users who paid for content to be able to access this content no matter what platform they use...Sony blocks this and it's not Sony's fault but Epic?

MS could have used you during the Xbox One DRM launch with that logic.

MrBeatdown2180d ago

Seems as though the subtleties of what I was saying went over your head.

Epic designed the game with these policies in mind. It's not Epic's fault Sony has a particular policy, however, since they agreed to that policy, it is on them to make customers aware of issues like this.

rainslacker2179d ago (Edited 2179d ago )

@Sunny

The only reason I can see it being a policy, is so people can't buy the DLC on another platform, where it may be cheaper, and then use it on PS4, which Sony has to manage to authorize each piece of content. On top of that, they don't get their cut of the sale of said MT, which generally isn't something businesses like.

However, since PC and mobile cross progression and MT is available, I'm not sure why it's not available between consoles.

Maybe an oversight, and it'll become available, or maybe Sony is just being a pain in the ass over it.

@MrBeatdown

3rd party accounts are allowed. Epic, Ubisoft, EA, and Square Enix all have such things on PS4. However, in this case, it's now a 4th party account. The second consoles account is managed by the third party account from Epic.

Maybe the problem is in the way all the content is authorized or authenticated.

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neutralgamer19922180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

fortnite became big on ps4 so maybe they don't want to get on the wrong side on sony/ps4 but than again they need to come out to clarify because i don't think this is a sony thing i think it's more of an epic thing

from what i understand if you play first on switch you can't bring it to ps4 either so there seems to be an issue within epic

Neonridr2180d ago

look at the error screen. Clearly Epic is pointing the finger at Sony.

CR7JUVE18972180d ago

So in other words, Epic knew about this, on their own game, yet failed to tell anyone.

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Goldby2180d ago

im now looking forward to the articles about how there are too many articles talking about this.

we get it, some people are pissed, everyone and their mother doesn't need to write an article about it.

boo hoo, call up epic and sony can get them to link the epic account to another one. boom done

neutralgamer19922180d ago

don't you know everyone is mad

everyone is mad about cross play too if you were to believe people on this site yet the console without cross play with xbox/switch is outselling both

now this is a non issue that is just gonna go away in few days and that will be the end of it

Tross2180d ago (Edited 2180d ago )

This is an issue with Epic Games, and it goes the other way if someone plays on Switch first, so it makes zero sense that people are blaming Sony for this, especially given that this is a non-issue between PS4 and other platforms. That and this is an issue with Fortnite accounts. It will also only affect players who own both a PS4 and Switch and want to play on both systems. It should definitely be fixed but it's blown way out of proportion and skewed towards Sony for some strange reason. Again, this is Epic's problem to fix.

trooper_2180d ago

It's just an excuse to pick on Sony over crossplay.

Razzer2180d ago

Exactly. Look at the usual suspect Xbox fans faking outrage. Has nothing to do with their console....but here they are. lol

Snookies122180d ago

Well, when they're doing so much else right, people have to look for anything they can to nitpick over.

neutralgamer19922180d ago

why are you trying to bring logic here don't you know the hate ps4 deserves according to select few

vocal minority

iNcRiMiNaTi2180d ago

Yeah this is what I went through when I tried using my pc epic games account for fortnite and tried playing on my Xbox one for fortnite. It forced me to create a new account and wouldn't accept my existing pc account. This isn't a Sony thing, it's an epic games problem

NeoGamer2322180d ago

I think the issue here is how Sony always say they are #fortheplayers.

It is hard they are "for the players" when they are now the only console blocking crossplay.

And frankly the only reason they are doing this is because they have control of the generation. When MS had control early last generation they did the same thing. Can't blame them, but shouldn't advertise they are for the players.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff21831d 11h ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan20h ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin18h ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_17h ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan14h ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff218312h ago(Edited 12h ago)

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

SimpleDad2h ago

Ammm let's see... That All-stars, Foamstars, Babilon 5 wass gaas...
Concord... can wait to play that...Marathon uuuu... Last of them gaas... U
Horizon Zero dawn has a project that leaked as a Fortnite lookalike.

They bought Destiny that is a dead gaas...people love ti.

Helldivers 2 was luck.

Jimbo was all in and pushed Sony single player games 5 years behind.

Spiderman gaas was cancelled... I mean every 1st party studio was doing gaas.

Bend had to pitch a gaas game... Open world coop something

I can't remember more... Of that crap.

tay87011h ago

@simpledad. Destiny 2 isn't a dead game. Its the number 5 most played game on steam. I dont play it, but alot of people do.

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-Foxtrot1d 11h ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink1d 3h ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff218312h ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla20h ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl52319h ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin18h ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-6417h ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga16h ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

tay87016h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Dude is pretty pathetic. Sounds like a guy who's girl left him for someone better. Always talking about days gone sequel that never was, even though he is no longer at bend and hasnt been for a while. I for one am not upset about the lack of a sequel. It is one of the worst 1st party games in recent memory. Completely jank, played like an xbox game. The only redeeming quality was the hordes.

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excaliburps21h ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla20h ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek14h ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff218312h ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb21h ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing6920h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip17h ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Fortnite leak shows first Season 4 skin with new gameplay feature

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