Destiny 2 Project Lead Confirms 30 FPS Is Due To CPU Limits, Evaluating 4K On Xbox One X

Destiny 2 has faced some controversy recently due to the comments made by the development team regarding the technical makeup of the game on the Xbox One X.

[KingKionic]

"Destiny 2 project lead, Mark Noseworthy has confirmed in a set of tweets that the game is CPU-bound. Even if they lower the resolution to 1080p, it won’t be possible to achieve 60 FPS no matter the platform."

I dont belive this statement. I believe even the Ps4 pro can run this game at 1080p 60 fps.We got games on ps4 pro like battlefield 1 running at 1800p 60 fps.

https://youtu.be/Qu705pp0mv...

The evidence is there.

Bungie saying there "evaluating 4K" for Xbox One X is nuts. We should have a confirmation that they said we would have.

"Bungie will not talk about Destiny 2 Xbox Scorpio version until E3 2017"

http://n4g.com/news/2059318...

[Neonridr]

Bungie claims that their AI and physics are sooooo advanced, lol.

If Bungie can't just copy + paste the Pro code and slap it into the One X at the very least, then clearly there is more going on here.

[TankCrossing]

CPU bound because they won't provide servers for their always-online game. Servers could and should host the AI, and the bulk of the physics.

[ABizzel1]

This is silly if the Pro is 4k, then the Xbox X will be 4K unless Bungie just flatout refuses to do it or request someone else port it to Xbox X, and at that point it's just a huge middle finger to MS and shows they left on awful terms.

[GamerFrank85]

Bad look for Bungie. Really bad look

[freshslicepizza]

They already know it can't do 60 fps on any console but are evaluating the possibility of 4k on Xbox One X? Yeah that makes total sense.

And yes dedicated servers could also help this game.

Now I learned the new Guided Games mode is only playable in normal difficulty. I'm thinking of just canceling my pre order for the PC version. Moneyhatted DLC, the possibility of content being held back for DLC, no dedicated servers.

[MegamanXXX]

The PC version will still be the best

[Neonridr]

@moldybread - wait what? Guided games is only for normal mode, not hard? What sort of BS is that?

[freshslicepizza]

http://kotaku.com/e3-day-fo...

Just after the 32 minute mark

[nveenio]

Doesn't Sony have a marketing agreement with Bungie for Destiny? Maybe the devil is in THOSE details.

[Jmanzare]

It will be 4k on xb1x they just can't talk about it

[Npugz7]

Of course they can run the game at 1080p 60fps. They just need to rework they're game engine that's been the same since destiny 1. I'm sorry but that game isn't that technically demanding for the pro and oneX . The bottle neck is the game engine not the consoles.

[Vitalogy]

I think the same. Look at SWBF it'll run at 1080p60fps and has way many players online in MP at the same time plus too much going on on the screen. So this can only be because they're using a dated game engine that cannot achieve console maximum even there being a cpu bottleneck.

[Jmanzare]

Swbf also has dedicated servers

[xHeavYx]

You are calling him a liar? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
My man you are really hurt.

[KingKionic]

Bungie is just looking spooky after E3. Thats all ill say for now.

But when Battlefront 2 hits and you compare that ps4 pro version to Destiny 2 to you will see what im referring to.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

What are you talking about? What was said actually makes sense to you? You buy this talk about running 4K30 but not 1080p60, while 4K itself has to be "evaluated" on a more powerful machine? How does that add up? The game looks exactly like the first Destiny, but all of a sudden this "rich physics simulations" can't render at 60 frames. TF outta here.

[ShadowWolf712]

4K is being "Evaluated" because it would have to be implemented after the fact since the game Launches before the console. Day 1 vs Post-Launch support will be different and they don't want to make guarantees until they're sure. It's literally that simple.

[Eonjay]

Wrong. It's a different engine. Yes it could reach 6pfps, but not in the engine they have developed for it and for the original consoles. It's like they would have to create a brand new engine and then yes it could be.

[Ashunderfire86]

Battlefield 1 can do 60fps on consoles but not all the time frames are not capped it goes down at times

[Allsystemgamer]

Hey. Hey kid.

The x1x CPU is only clocked at 200mhz higher. That's not enough.

The game is heavily CPU bound.

Stop being all butt hurt that your worshipped piece of plastic isn't as strong as you'd hoped.

[Athos]

If you look at Destiny, this thing should run on a toaster at 60fps. The physics, artwork and game play in no way scream that it cant run at 60fps. Crappy engine, lazy developer... and I RARELY play the lazy developers card.

Edit: And I am a PC gamer by nature, I am not beholden to any particular piece of plastic.

[Anzil]

@Athos Destinys physics AI graphics and gameplay are stellar. The game is more CPU bound than most and PS4pro and Xbox one X CPUs are a joke hahahahahaha not happening. What don't you understand about this?

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

I agree with you, Destiny and Halo share very similar code in the engine and it's a very optimized engine! If Halo 5 can run 900p-1080p @ 60 on X1, Than i would think a console 4x more powerful could handle Destiny @ 1080p 60 just fine...

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol

So all that hype and its just doing PS4 Pro settings?

.....funny

[Corpser]

You don't believe what the people making the game is telling you?

[Forn]

No, actually I do not. There are examples of games on console, PS4 specifically, that hit at least a 1080p @ 60fps benchmark. And said game(s) is/are far more demanding.

[ShadowWolf712]

No, they're not "far more demanding". They're far more demanding on a GPU-side, not the CUP side. This game's physics, object count, AI, all of it, run off the CPU. The CPU is what needs to be beefed up for 60fps, not the GPU. GPU will affect resolution and ONLY resolution.

[Ausbo]

If ark evolved can jump from 30-60, I don't believe them. Yeah the CPU isn't that new but it's upclocked and Microsoft has offloaded a lot of CPU processes to the GPU. Can't they at least get it to an unlocked 40-50 fps?

[dantesparda]

Just because the ARK devs say it can do 60fps doesnt mean that will run at a steady 60fps. That piece of junk game is a joke and they are the absolute worst devs out there. And the game will run nowhere near a stable 60fps, it'll probably be between 15-60fps

[Sircolby45]

You can't really compare it to any Frostbite engine game, because that is one of if not the most efficient game engines out there. There are games out there that look far worse than BF1 and will get half the FPS on the same machine. The CPU on all of the consoles including the X is on a very poor performing ancient AMD architecture. Combine that with an inefficient engine and what he is saying is likely true. I am not trying to make excuses for him, I am just simply saying it is quite possible that their engine is simply not efficient enough to run 60 FPS on any of the console CPUs.

[RedSalmon]

"...it won’t be possible to achieve 60 FPS no matter the platform."

Don't mind me, I'll just be over here playing on my PC.

[FITSniper]

He was clearly talking about consoles.

[ossyc]

The Jaguar CPU isn't good enough. The PRO and X1X are both using it. Also the GPU is good but not good enough. it would need to be the equivalent of an Nvidia 1080 at least, to hit 4K/60fps and you'd have to dial down the graphics to med-high. That card is 9 TFLOPS.

The X1X GPU falls short of the 1070 which is 6.5TFLOP . This is why the game is 4K/30fps for both PRO and X1X

[nismo370]

Butthurt????
Must feel gooooood!!!!

[nismo370]

Stop crying

[DrumBeat]

The Xbox One X's CPU is simply too weak.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

I think Destiny, doesn't use CPU as efficiently as other shooters. The lack of dedicated servers doesn't help, as it increases CPU load on the console. Plus, there is no indication, as of yet, of Destiny 2 using dynamic resolution.

[yeahokwhatever]

,,,,,,,,

[Sircolby45]

Yes this is likely another culprit. It doesn't help when the CPU is having to run both the game processing and what would normally be processing done on a dedicated server.

[Jman2]

Even though people don't believe it, it is likely the case. Alot of developers do not optimize for contiguous cache memory Access, or to avoid I cache misses. This means the CPU has to sit idle whilst it sends a fetch request to ram which can take 600+ cycles . This is very very bad for hitting higher frame rates.

How ever it does seem like something else is likely the issue, servers may help alot.

[brich233]

If you believe that shit your an idiot. Bungie has never made a game over 30fps on console and are probably scared too. The game is just not engineered for 60 fps and bungie is blaming it on the hardware.

[EatCrow]

yea. there is more to 60 fps then just changing a number. Thing is. Its unlocked on PC.
So im pretty sure it has to do with a deal.
That or simply the lowest common denominator.

[Liqu1d]

PC has more capable CPUs.

[EatCrow]

@Liquid
I have an !5 right now. I know theyre more capable. But still. These games dont require that much. I think its interesting theyre not sure about resolution but definitely not 60fps. Im pretty sure it could do 1080p 60 fps.

their responses clearly show they just have no intention of trying to get it to 60fps and like I said...likely because of the lowest denominator. The standard xbox one

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

It's the same Engine as Halo... Since 343 picked up Halo, Halo has been 60 without looking that far off from destiny's graphics, So I don't believe it's the engine...

[Sircolby45]

The dev actually said a while back that it is a completely new engine redesigned from the ground up. This is very possible as MS may not have let them take the engine code with them.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Destiny appears to not use the Halo engine ( https://www.videogamer.com/... The 343i Halo games use modified (and enhanced) "Halo Reach engines".

[thekhurg]

Destiny 2 engine is on PC and runs 60+ fps.

So that busts your theory right there.

[jackdaddy]

Get educated son.

[Athos]

Just because my PC has the raw horsepower to make their crappy engine run at 60fps or better doesn't mean that Pro or X1X shouldn't. There is nothing advanced about the game and no amount of them saying there is would make me believe it. There are other games out there with more complicated physics and AI that run at higher frames than Destiny or Destiny 2.

[Angeljuice]

They aren't blaming the hardware at all. Can you read?
Bungie's engine is designed around 30fps with heavy loads on the CPU.
They are saying that their engine is not able to work at 60 f/s, whatever CPU you use and however much you turn down the resolution.

[CorndogBurglar]

Then why can it run at 60fps on PC?

Not trying to be a smartass, its a genuine question.

[Dissidia]

Unless...it's a PC CPU. Then they can have the fps uncapped. Idk, something doesn't seem right about this whole situation

[Sircolby45]

@CorndogBurglar The reason is PCs have CPUs that are significantly faster than the console CPUs. I am not talking a little bit faster. I am talking like 2-4x faster (maybe even higher) depending on the CPU. All of the consoles including the X are using old AMD Jaguar cores which are notorious for having terrible IPC (Instructions Per Clock) and on top of that they are clocked at about half the speed of the PC processors. So with a PC you have a CPU clocked twice as high and doing twice the amount of instructions per clock essentially.

[Wallstreet37]

It's what we been telling the blind, close minded fanatics all along. The slightly modified cpu is still a weak jaguar and will be a bottleneck. But noooo every game will be 4k native and 60fps lol smh

Next up..... Most Xbox x games will be using checkerboard to reach 4k unless it's an indie looking game. True 4K is already defined on Microsoft website as including checkerboard rendering :)

Of course same ignorant, blind, fanatical defense force year after year, disappointment after disappointment.

[Gamist2dot0]

That's what I thought too; that extra 200mhz cpu won't magically turn 30fps to 60fps.

[cellfluid]

Good point..

[Athos]

No but making an engine for a console generation with weak CPU's was just stupid. Create an engine that is more efficient and off loads from the CPU as much as possible is what they should have done instead of modifying the same crap engine over and over.

[Cobra951]

Yes, sadly true. I'm not sure whether Bungie really can't make 60 fps happen, or they simply don't want to go through all the extra work just for the upscale console tiers. (Cost vs benefit doesn't work out for their bean counters?) Either way, it bares the sore spot on the half-gen console upgrades--the carryover weak CPU.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

No one said "Every game will be 4k 60"...? We are talking 1080p 60... which is very capable for both the Pro and the X1X. MS already stated they were using checkerboard rendering as well, Sony proved it worked awesome with the Pro, so of course it's welcomed!

[Wallstreet37]

Your preaching to the choir, I get every console Day one and COD with checkerboarding on pro is gorgeous and Horizon, amongst others.

No one said every game would be native 4K? lol righttttttt go back to the articles and comments section when specs were revealed, you had tons of idiots saying things like that. Speak for yourself and not for the fanatics in every brand that spew hyperbole.

[riskibusiness]

The Destiny 2 game engine must not be DX12 capable. By using the increased frequency, CPU to GPU coherency optimizations, as well as the offloaded DX12 command processors will effectively makes the xboX's CPU twice as powerful as the xb1. If it is CPU constrained, it is an engine, or a conscience self-imposed constraint for console frame rate parity.

[GameBoyColor]

dx12 is still in infancy. And even amd hardware has terrible performance in it.

[Angeljuice]

They say themselves it's the engine. It's CPU bound and the modified Jaguar cores aren't beefy enough.
They went the same way as Sony and front-loaded the GPU whilst skimping on the CPU.

[Aenea]

Aha, a game dev. How does the dev kit pweform for the One X?

[yeahokwhatever]

Crack is whack.

[cellfluid]

Crazy..

[Fishy Fingers]

Seems silly to design a CPU heavy engine when your lead systems have 'poor' CPUs. But I'm developer so who knows. But to say even at 1080p they couldn't achieve 60fps just sounds unlikely when others have managed it. Smells more like parity to me.

What the hell, if I get it it'll be on the PC so no biggy for me, sucks for the mid gen upgraders though.

[Liqu1d]

Reducing the resolution wouldn't free up CPU power.

[Fishy Fingers]

I was implying if more thought was given to prioritising frame rate while developing their engine initially. Not just turning down the resolution as is. Too late now, like you said.

[yeahokwhatever]

@fishy_fingers
but then what features would have to be cut? what elements of the existing gameplay would have to be skimped on? Have you played the entire Destiny 2 game? What if 90% of the time the game COULD do 60fps, but they chose a locked 30 for a consistent gameplay experience? Everyone on this stupid forum knows almost 0 information, and yet have the supreme knowledge to argue about how the devs just arent good enough.

[bluefox755]

As many of us have been saying all along...

[stuna1]

The Jaguar had a bottleneck when it was built in the original Xbox 1 and PS4! It would stand to reason that that bottleneck would still be present in even a heavily modified Jaguar chip. In order to remove the bottleneck they would have had to rebuild the chip itself, but then it would not have been considered a jaguar chip!

The thing is once Xbox 1 X releases, more and more things are going to come to light concerning the corners Microsoft cut to bring us the "Beast"!

[i3eyond the Circle]

Even if they forced resolution parity. 

GPGPU and that extra 2 tflops could bring 60fps to the X. 

Bungie is literally....just full of shit.

[Allsystemgamer]

The game is heavily CPU bound. Learn what that means before spouting nonsense.

That gpu is bottlenecked by the CPU. Learn how computers work please.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Congratulations.....you played yourself.

[GameBoyColor]

gpu's don't magically double fps if the cpu is still shit...

[yeahokwhatever]

This is why the old fabled PC talk of "just upgrade a single component of your build at a time" is nonsense. Most of the time you have to change the socket type of the CPU, or the type of ram, or the gpu needs a faster cpu to feed it, etc. The only meaningful way to upgrade a computer is completely, otherwise there WILL be bottlenecks.

[dumahim]

@yeahokwhatever
Yep! I upgraded my GPU since my old one burned out and just not ready to build a new system, so I've got a 1070 running with an i5 23xx or something. Running Project Cars 2, changing the display settings doesn't change the fps much. It mostly runs in the 40-50 range with spikes on both ends.

It crushes Beam.ng Drive as long as I have one car. But if I leave busted up cars laying around, the fps drops quickly.

[GameBoyColor]

@yeahokwhatever
Yessir, that's why when building a pc you want to go top end on the mb and cpu first so you will have access to the 3-5 years of single component upgrades without bottlenecks.

[Angeljuice]

What do you know?
It uses Jaguar cores and as a result has a weak CPU.
Any CPU heavy games will still struggle on the X because it is only a minor upgrade to the original CPU and the original CPU was weak.

It's a bottleneck that comes from compromises between cost and power.

They front-loaded the systems GPU to support fancy graphics over computing power. It's the right way to go on a console, unfortunately Xbox fans were expecting more from Microsoft.

[FPSFox]

"Destiny 2 Project Lead Confirms 30 FPS is due to shitty engine and coding inefficiency"

That's what the headline should read. Bungie games have never been that graphically impressive and the fact that this can't run at 60 is a joke. In a typical versus multiplayer match, their is no reason the CPU should red-line when games like battlefield have way more players running around, parts of the map being destroyed, vehicles causing all sorts of havoc... This excuse is laughable.

[Allsystemgamer]

Or the CPU just isn't strong enough to handle the load at 4k for 60fps?

Learn how computers work please.

[FPSFox]

Or maybe, just maybe, the CPU has absolutely NOTHING to do with resolution and perhaps you're the one who needs to learn how computer work. Been building them for around 15 years now. I know a thing or two. Maybe we should do a bit of research before we comment? Just a thought ;)

https://youtu.be/btIKCHMc4I...

[Athos]

I will change your comment to say any engine built to heavily lean on crappy CPU's is shit. Program for what you have, not what isn't in the box. And yes, I have been building PC's for 30 years, I know hardware. A crap engine is still a crap engine.

[yeahokwhatever]

"building PCs" = snapping components together. CONGRATULATIONS! You can pass Kindergarten. Wake me up when you're designing all of the system boards or writing graphics libraries or game engines.

[yeahokwhatever]

F.U.

[FPSFox]

Didn't say I was a lead designer, but when something is a hobby for over a decade, you learn some things, like basic knowledge such as CPUs are not tied to resolution. How about you wake me when you have a counterargument to what I stated if you wanna' be a smartass and leave comments.

Also at your above comment

"This is why the old fabled PC talk of "just upgrade a single component of your build at a time" is nonsense. Most of the time you have to change the socket type of the CPU, or the type of ram, or the gpu needs a faster cpu to feed it, etc. The only meaningful way to upgrade a computer is completely, otherwise there WILL be bottlenecks."

That's complete BS. I'm running an i7 4790k which launched in may 2014... Not even close to bottle-necking my GTX 1080. Games haven't been CPU constrained in many, many years. Not needing to upgrade your processor means no need to upgrade your motherboard which means no need to upgrade your ram... You don't know what you're talking about. You just don't like PC and your ignorance on the subject really shows here.

[yeahokwhatever]

Oh ok. I just don't know anything. Got it. So, what did the code in destiny's engine look like? You fix it yet?

[Angeljuice]

"Or maybe, just maybe, the CPU has absolutely NOTHING to do with resolution and perhaps you're the one who needs to learn how computer work."

You seem pretty clueless. The weak CPU has everything to do with 'framerate' which is what we are talking about, not resolution at all.

[FPSFox]

"Or the CPU just isn't strong enough to handle the load at 4k for 60fps"

Really?... because I could have sworn the guy I was responding to stated a resolution as though it mattered. Yes, I know the CPU is tired to frames. No S**t. That was literally shown in the video I LINKED lol. The statement should have been "The CPU just isn't strong enough to handle destiny at 60fps" but even that's a bunch of crap. There are way more complex games, such as battlefield, that run at 60fps. You're telling me battlefield with 64 players, map destruction and vehicles require less CPU usage than Destiny Multiplayer?... Want to point at something specific as to why Destiny can only run at half the frames with not even a fraction of the stuff going on, smart guy?... no?... Ok

[GamerFrank85]

Sad to see this. I like Sony alot but their stance on "parity" is starting to show. I mean Sony won't even do cross play. Heck even Nintendo said yes with Minecraft.

Sony also said no to ea access which is a great service for the price.

[ninsigma]

What on earth has this to do with Sony??

[kayoss]

WHAT are you ranting about??? Its like watching John McCain asking James Comey questions during the testimony. Incoherent rambling.

[GameBoyColor]

sony has a marketing deal, nothing else...

[Phill-Spencer]

Look forward to see you guys spouting conspiracy theories when more games, sony hasn't got a marketing deal in, show that almost no dev will suddenly tinker their engines to make full use of x1x. I'm sure we will hear how every dev is pro sony and is sabotaging x1x on purpose. Mark my words! You can already see it beginning. But it's a nice circle you guys are spinning in:
Defence mode ---> hype infueled arrogance ---> defense mode ---> etc etc

[stonecold3]

and microsoft forced parity with ps3 360 area and most of this generation

[Angeljuice]

The only 'parity' on show here is the parity of weak Jaguar cores.

[DragoonsScaleLegends]

I don't know if it has anything to do with Sony or Destiny devs just sucking:

http://cogconnected.com/201...

[MrSec84]

Seems Bungie should learn from Dice or Sledgehammer Games, since both have way more physics and AI load in their games, with better visuals to boot, yet their games are 60 FPS.
If their engine used proper multicore CPU code division and GPGPU offloading of big math then they wouldn't be stuck at 30FPS.

Base PS4 and XB1 can handle this game at 1080p 60FPS, maybe with dynamic resolution, but there should be pretty stable 60FPS with what's been shown of this game, Pro and X should by 4K 60FPS.

[Allsystemgamer]

Wow. You don't understand computers at all.

[whitesoxfalife1976]

i see you attacking people but you ain't saying anything. So lets read your input on this allsystemgamer.....

[Athos]

@Allsystemgamer

C'mon smart guy, tell us how computers work. And after you're done copy and pasting someone's article on how they do maybe we can all be enlightened like you.

Hell I doubt you even know what bus speed is. Here is a hint, it doesn't drive down the freeway and Sandra Bullock isn't on it.

[Allsystemgamer]

@athos

Bus speed is simply the amount of data (measured in mhz) that can be transferred across the bus.

The GPU generally does not handle AI, physics simulation or counts. That is CPU bound.

There's a reason games with more AI and are open world require a beefier CPU. That's why GTA V requires an i5 minimum for decent performance.

The GPU handles the textures, resolution scaling, shaders etc.

But please. Let's hear why the Game should hit 60fps just because the GPU has 6 TF of power. (Teraflops just so you know is POTENTIAL performance.)

If the GPU is all you need then why can't the gtx 1080 run all games in 4k 60? I mean. That card has 8.9 teraflops. So it should be no problem right?

No. That's not how it works.

[MrSec84]

Clearly I do because I gave examples of comparable games, which are doing a lot more from a technical perspective, I even explained Bungie's shortcomings when it comes to how they could have achieved what other developers have.

Sledgehammer Games are doing a lot of physics and AI calculations in COD W2, for the record player position tracking for multiplayer can be done on the GPU, same goes for Physics and AI, SG have even moved to photogrammatry for their materials like Dice and the visuals speak for themselves.
Doom even manages a tonne of physics events going on simultaneously before performance tanks on consoles, there's no excuse for Bungie to not have moved with the times.

Please don't talk about things you have no understanding about.

[jznrpg]

Cpu's arent very good in this gens consoles we all know it , why MS was stating true 4k PR is obvious but doesn't make it true. Sure some lesser graphicall games can do it buy get used to Dynamic or checkerboard,it will still look good

[GamerFrank85]

Waiting for Bungie to say

"Xbox one x will use dynamic resolution"

PR jibber jabber as in. We won't make it better on Xbox x since Sony is paying us alot

[Liqu1d]

That's right, ignore facts while making claims that you can't back up with facts.

[DaGreatOne]

Sony paying for assassin creed too?

[Angeljuice]

"We won't make it better on Xbox x since Sony is paying us alot"

Lol, Sony didn't pay Microsoft to put in a weak CPU. You just believed the hype and rather than admit you were mislead and lied to (and fell for it), you now imagine a conspiracy theory.

Just admit you were wrong. Microsoft lied and you were gullible enough to fall for it. You'll feel better afterwards.

[KillZallthebeast]

For a team that sort of made the modern day shooter so popular they really suck at keeping pace with others at this point.

[MegamanXXX]

I knew it that LAPTOP CPU LMAO

[Allsystemgamer]

The CPU in my laptop is stronger 😂 It's clocked at 3.4 lol

[ocelot07]

I originally criticised Bungie for not hitting 60FPS with at least the Pro and X. But don't know what it takes to make a game so who I to judge them? If they say the CPU in the Pro simply can't do 60FPS for destiny 2 then I believe them. The X has the same CPU as the Pro right but is about 9% faster or something like that? If that is the case then I don't see how a 9% increase will enable a game to jump from 30 to 60.

[franwex]

Yeah, but you know how gamers are. They like to complain about small details and pixel count screenshots. The concept of compromising is out the window if they don't get some arbitrary statistic about performance they feel is important.

[liran]

Why I can't get an option to play 1080p60?
Why any game is just 1k 30 and 4k 30?
I don't understand this approach

[sk8ofmnd]

If you happen to have the og xbox1 running at 900p 30 fps and someone else has a 4k at 60 the 900 30 would get wrecked left and right... And seeing how theres +60 million ps4 and +30 million xb1 owners they would rather sell the game to them then screw them over.

Thats personally why im against all this mid gen console crap... We wouldnt even be complaining about upscaled 4k 30 if that was the case and all this bickering could have been avoided... Orr they could say fnck the base consoles and release 1080 60 versions on the midgens... But sony and ms already said they wouldnt do that because that would also piss off your loyal fanbase for the last 4 years. Id rather have just waited and got the ps5 and nextbox sooner instead now later.

[Liqu1d]

The game is CPU bound, lowering the resolution wouldn't make the game 60fps.

[Angeljuice]

The CPU isn't powerful enough to run the engine at 60fps even at 1080p.

[sk8ofmnd]

Common sense would tell someone that if the game could run 4k 30 which is 4x the resolution it surely could do 1080 60? Its the 2013 launch consoles that is holding the game back for parity sake. Ami right?

Now if xb1x doesnt run as good as the ps4pro version thats a whole nother can of worms 🙈

[LeoDDestroyer]

No that not how it works. You need both the gpu and cpu to powerful to get the performance you want. If your gpu is strong but your cpu is weak than getting higher resolution is easier than getting more frames.
You can't heavily increase one area but only do minor increases for the other and expect both to benefit equally. You can't skip leg day.

[Angeljuice]

Unfortunately computers don't run by the arbitrary notion of what you see as common sense.
Common ignorance would be more apt.

My Dad's common sense told him that drivers make your computer faster because they drive the computer at a faster speed (like a racing driver).

My friends common sense told him that RAM was a measure​ of a computers overall power (like oomph). Any computer with twice the RAM had twice the performance.

[SCW1982]

Look at how many arm chair developers we have in this comment section.

[TheColbertinator]

Lets bundle them all together and start a studio to make true 4K games

[Angeljuice]

Those games would be so great with the wealth of information everybody holds.

[Tzuno]

What a joke with all these 4k wanna be consoles.

[Athos]

I tell you what, I own a few PC gaming rigs and have always built them myself. Tell me a better value in the PC world over the Pro and X1X for the same money and I will praise you for it, otherwise STFU.

[Allsystemgamer]

If you had built them yourself you'd know you can build a rig with an rx580 for $600 that has better performance than what we've seen. You're not fooling anyone.

[Athos]

Cmon smart guy. Tell me your bad ass PC specs for $600. An RX 480... that's hilarious. You're all mouth with nothing to back it up.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I don't understand what there is to evaluate. It runs 4K on a lower end machine.

[MorpheusX]

I guess I didn't realize Activision/Bungie weren't providing dedicated servers for Destiny 2. I was on the fence about this game but with that decision I've made up my mind.

Im not playing Destiny 2. Activision is doing the least bit possible, they don't want to spend the $$$ to have dedicated server's but you want me to take your game serious?

Nope. For an Industry to preach & push this whole Multi-player culture in gaming & for a big 3rd party Publisher like Activision to not support there Flag Ship title with dedicated servers is hypocritical at the least.

smh, oh well, to be completely honest I didn't want to buy an Activision published gamer anyway, now I have a good reason not to again. Thanks Activision.

[Athos]

Bungie used to be like Naughty Dog, or Square of old or Rare back in the day. If their name was on the box I would buy it knowing it would be a top notch product, not anymore. To me personally they gave up when they were working on Halo ODST and I haven't been thrilled with any of their products since. Destiny to me looked and played like Halo, the same artwork style, weapons and so forth. Its almost like they just don't give it that extra polish the way Naughty Dog or Platinum games does. IMO they have become a developer that is more concerned about money than product and I will leave it at that. There is no way my Pro shouldn't run Destiny 2 at 60fps considering the other games out there that do. Clean up your act Bungie or you are endangered to become yet another mediocre developer.

[FlameWater]

By far today was the best xbox meltdown on n4g EVER!!!

[WickedLester]

Told ya'll M-fer's. "Feel True Power" my ass. LMAO! You want true power, get a PC. Want to play the best exclusives, Get a PS4 Pro and Nintendo Switch. Want to play a bunch of mediocre quasi-exclusives and multiplats, get an Xbox.

[corroios]

Jag cpu this isnt pr. This mobile cpu isnt for 4k gaming , no matter how much pr and payed news, but again the evil sony must have send ninjas to kidnap the families of the workers of bungie!

[343_Guilty_Spark]

So their engine is garbage

[WickedLester]

Are you going to call Anthem's engine "garbage" when it runs 30fps as well?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Anthem looks far more impressive than Destiny 2 and runs at a rock solid locked 30 fps even in the Alpha footage.

[Angeljuice]

No the CPU is garbage.

[yeahokwhatever]

I love all these people, mostly non-coders, talking poorly about the people who actually code the games. If Destiny has such a simple engine, its so easy, make it yourself at 60fps. Until you can do that, shut your mouth and buy what you want.

[Zabatsu]

Will post it again since it got voted inappropriate, just for the sheer fun of proving mine and many others points, again.

"This will create so many more salty xbox fanboys."

[windblowsagain]

Cpu's are too weak. You would end up with 45-50fps.

[Felsager]

Bungie, the bottleneck is your own game engine. It is the same engine you used in Destiny 1.

Bungie, stop being sloppy, cheap, lazy and clumsy selling a DLC for 60 dollars.

Bungie, Stop being cheap and start investing on a new 3d engine.

Bungie, your game at this point sucks pretty hard, fix it adding dedicated servers like the rest of the world.

[Allsystemgamer]

Yea. It's not the hardware at all. That's why the game isn't demanding on pc to get 60 fps.

Hint. Even an i3 is stronger than the jaguar CPU.

[Ukgamer]

It will be interesting when the game is released to see at what fps a similar hardware setup on a PC can run the game at surely if it runs at 60fps then bungie are talking shite. If it gets no where near then what more can be said

[yeahokwhatever]

Nobody is running a Jaguar CPU in their desktop PC.

[Allsystemgamer]

The jaguar CPU is weaker than most pc CPUs.

[MegamanXXX]

and weaker than some laptop CPU's as well now.

[Ukgamer]

They said Metro was running on a comparable spec PC surely there's something similar

[WelkinCole]

Even next gen console will not have 4k60fps as standard. Yet xbox fans expect their mid gen upgrade to do 40k60fps?.

[kopko]

idk what people expextec at multiplayer SAME generation console games. I mean, I dont think it would be fair to play 60fps vs 30fps online. Its up to developers to utilize the power of each console and well, If you dont like how they approach this development of the game there is easy solution: Dont buy the game.

[jwillj2k4]

who the fuck cares just play the game as it was intended. jesus christ...

[XStation4pio_Pro]

...evaluating 4K on the Xbox one x when it's already running at 4K on the PS4 pro is like getting a Toyota Corolla to 120mph and then evaluating a BMW m3 to see if it can do it also. Give me a break. They got caught with their pants down doing parity deals. An extra 4gb of ddr5, a faster bus, faster CPU and 2 tflops more on the gpu... yeah I'm pretty sure it can hang.

[Sevir]

Lord calm down! The game will be 4k...

[gamer7804]

So they are saying Destiny 2 is coded poorly, there is no reason it should not be able to get 60 at 1080p. if there is a philosophical reason thats fine, just say it. At the very least make it 4k 30ps with better texture filtering , AA, FOV, etc.

[FITSniper]

Man the butt hurt is strong here. Yes maybe the lack of dedicated servers is hurting the game. Just because you don't think the game needs much CPU doesn't make it true. And the fact is that even a Core i3 with hyperthreading could run circles around the CPU in any of the consoles. Jaguar is an old architecture and regardless of the amount of tuning it gets, it can't compare to the i5s and i7s running at 3+GHz in most gamers PCs. Want 60FPS? Play on PC, simple as that.

Destiny 1 was clearly limited by the last gen consoles. Destiny 2 doesn't have that bottleneck so from the devs, regardless of the reasons behind it, they've added more to the simulation which they say constrains the frame rate. Regardless of how powerful the GPU is, you still need the CPU to do things to drive the frame rate. XBX getting a slightly faster version of the same CPU as the PS4 Pro does not mean it has the ability to push 4K and 60 FPS. 4K and 60FPS is hard on machines with said i7s and 1080s on PC. So what makes you think a console with a decent GPU and a relatively slow CPU can do it?

Play the game or don't. Sure I would love 60 FPS. But Destiny was fine at 30 FPS and it didn't detract from my enjoyment of it.

[Felsager]

For a team that in a way redefined the classical shooter making it so popular they really suck hard at keeping the pace with others in this current time.

Anthem joins the competition. Bungie needs to keep up or they will be left behind as always.

[ossyc]

We're bashing the X1X because not only will it be released 12 months after the PRO, it has basically the same performance, Oh and Microsoft have been shouting it from the rooftops.....'native 4k this, native 4k that'. it's all bollocks.

12 months after the PRO and this is all we get? Pathetic...

[Nybz]

Kinda adorable watching the two console squads battle each other over resolutions and frame rates, while PC people are sitting back sipping their "ain't none of my business" tea.

And yes PC people are well aware that they get it a month late lol

Y'all need to start loving one another for sharing the same interests and quit arguing/fighting one another.

[zerocarnage]

The developer kit for XomeX has double the specs doesn't it than the XoneX, so why are they having such a difficult time with destiny 2 and achieving the best possible results. If it is due to there engine, blaming it on hardware is just wrong or are they copying and pasting code from the PlayStation to make the work easier for them rather than doing what it rite and working on the XoneX version from scratch, corner cutting is not good.

Either way something is going on here and Activision and bungie need to spill the beans, because as more comes out it just looks like they're being shady. It's also making it look like something is up with the whole Sony deal with destiny and it's given them some bad press as well because of all the accusations. People have been wondering if there's anything at play there, it could be anything and bungie keeping quiet is making it worse for Sony, especially if Sony are innocent and are not affecting the deal in anyway.

I tell you this industry is getting as bad as governments as of late lol..

[ossyc]

The Jaguar CPU isn't good enough. The PRO and X1X are both using it. Also the GPU is good but not good enough. it would need to be the equivalent of an Nvidia 1080 at least, to hit 4K/60fps and you'd have to dial down the graphics to med-high. That card is 9 TFLOPS.

The X1X GPU falls short of the 1070 which is 6.5TFLOP . The is why the game is 4K/30fps for both PRO and X1X

[MrMoe]

Vote with your wallet fellow gamers.
Now that you are paying for online, at least the AAA games should have dedicated servers.

[Smokingunz]

That's bullshit! So every other game can run at 4k and 60 fps on the 1x but destiny cant? Really!? The most powerful console created and destiny can't run at 60? Bungee is full of shit.

[ossyc]

Destiny 2 - 4k 30 fps / Anthem 4k 30 fps / A Creed Origins 4k 30 fps. All the AAA intensive games will be the same, of course games with nothing going on like Minecraft, Forza, are zero intensive games, will be 4k 60fps.

The Jaguar CPU isn't good enough. The PRO and X1X are both using it. Also the GPU is good but not good enough. it would need to be the equivalent of an Nvidia 1080 at least, to hit 4K/60fps and you'd have to dial down the graphics to med-high. That card is 9 TFLOPS.

The X1X GPU falls short of the 1070 which is 6.5TFLOP . This is why the games are 4K/30fps for both PRO and X1X

[Smokingunz]

Bungie got a contract with sony duh!!! Lol