What Is Rockstar's Problem With PC Gaming?

ScreenGurus Shaun asks why PC gamers are yet again being left out of the Rockstar party with upcoming Red Dead Redemption 2.

[Eonjay]

Because it doesn't make them any money. Consoles make money for these guys.

[TheOptimist]

Are you living in 2010? Because I would have agreed with you back then

[Red_Renegade]

with some of the crazy stuff you say, he's prolly okay with you not agreeing. if rockstar doesn't wanna make a pc game, that's up to them.

[2pacalypsenow]

If it was such a huge money maker for them, they would release on PC. I'm sure they will release it later. They are just focusing on consoles for now just like GTA5

[crxss]

Piracy. Obviously.

[TheOptimist]

Umm... I don't mind skipping RDR, but saying that PC doesn't turn profits is downright bs today. As I said I would have agreed back in 2010, definitely not today. Because even if it doesn't make as much profit as the consoles, I'm pretty sure it is significant enough to give competition and it definitely has more profit than Xbox if sales alone ae to be considered.
@morganfell
Thanks for letting me know something which I knew and of course deviating from the topic, since it's about profit, whether Y or 2Y, they are businessmen, and they'll go behind every profit they can get their hands on

[morganfell]

@TheOptimist,

Since you have access to the development costs for PC for Rockstar as well as the cost incurred for troubleshooting PC issues, associate profit margins, projected profits for reallocation of assets, please share this treasure trove of insight.

FACT: You have no idea of the cost incurred on Rockstar for a PC version. And it isn't just cost for the PC. If they allocate X amount of resources for a PC version they make Y amount of dollars. But if instead they allocate X amount of resources back to the console version they make Y x 2 amount of dollars. These are matters to which neither you nor I are privy. I grant the benefit of the doubt that Sam and Dan Houser understand their situation far better than you or I.

[JackBNimble]

TheOptimist
I guess you're just going to have to wait for a port of the game

[Cindy-rella]

Im a pc gamer as well and it puzzles me to see other avid pc gamers being stunned as to why certain development studios would rather have their games on console first then pc or just consoles.

[fr0sty]

Rockstar agrees with Eonjay. They are in the business of making money. If there were money to make in the PC space that would make the development efforts of releasing on PC worth it, Take 2 would make them release a PC port. Obviously the ends do not justify the means for them, because they have chosen not to do it. They are not going to ignore a chance to make millions of dollars if it is really worth it in the end.

[starchild]

You console fanboys are ridiculous. You aren't gamers. All you do is hate on PC, hate on Nintendo, hate on the other console brand...that's all you do. You never defend what's good regardless of platform, nor do you stand up for what's right for gamers in general. You're nothing but corporate cheerleaders.

[Kingthrash360]

Starchild....relax.
I'm sure you'll get it after console gamers have been playing it for years.
Pc has several factors that make them not want to focus on them first.
Like gta, they will sell it console let it make money then develop red dead pc if it sells enough. You gotta remember red dead isn't as mainstream as gta is. They know what to do. They are letting it pay for itself. That would be my guess.

Not feeling so master race right now tho huh.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

The problem with PC gaming?

PIRATING and CHEATING

[RedSoakedSponge]

@TheOptimist

Just be optimistic dude ;)

[DarkZane]

It's not that PC doesn't make them money, it's that console versions make them a lot more money, so those take priority.

[BG11579]

If it isn't money, then what reason would the have ?
Seriously, which other reason would they have ?

[RosweeSon]

Indeed they go for Profit, where are the profits in Piracy, oh there are none.

[THRASHMOUTH]

You're also forgetting the fact that Rockstar generates killer profit from microtransactions on consoles. I highly doubt PC players are a fraction of that revenue

[Obscure_Observer]

@Kingtrash360

That was low. Even for you. You're pretty much everything Starchild stated above.

When comes to Scorpio you said "why buy a Scorpio if you can build a PC?". And now this?

You spit on disappointed PC gamers's faces?

Looks like the ROTR exclusive BS hasn't teach you nothing.

But fear not. Tomorrow is another day. What comes around, goes around. ;)

[OoglyBoogly]

http://steamspy.com/app/271...

Just on Steam alone there's well over 5 million owners of GTA 5 for PC. PC, hardly, is a loss for them in any way shape or form.

So yeah, no.

[Eonjay]

http://i.imgur.com/cEQuwdr....

So it looks like your are a misinformed, or you don't have insight into the volume that console push. Like 5 million means anything to a R* lol! Either way, please look at this and tell me where the hell the money is. What should you be doing as a AAA developer right now. Focusing on PC? No, because you and your team deserve to receive return on your development costs.

[AnotherProGamer]

The money they make on consoles is significantly higher though

http://i.imgur.com/mD05lD4l...

[TheOptimist]

@Eonjay
You do realize that that list includes PS3, PS4, Xbox 360 and Xbox One- 4 platforms. Also let's not forget the delay- On PS3 it has been out for 3 years, on PS4 for 2 years and PC for 1 and a half year. So yeah all platforms plus time delay play a huge role

[Agent-86]

@Eonjay and AnotherProGamer
That graph you link to is not very informative. First, it shows no monetary values on the left axis except for $0M on the bottom. What are the values for the middle and top of the graph? It shows no incremental values. Second, the title of the graph is "Additional Content Revenue". That sounds like DLC to me and not actual game sales/revenue. Of course, PC gamers have mods and DLC sales will be lower on that platform.

Also, as other people have pointed out, the console figure includes 4 platforms (PS3, PS4, Xbox360 and Xbox1) which all had their own development costs and revenue produced. To have an accurate comparison, we would need to have game sales/revenues for all 5 platforms on an individual basis. In a fair comparison, I believe the PC platform would compare very favorably. 5 million plus sales on a single platform is pretty damn strong.

[devileyed]

Both MS and Sony take around 45% of game sales and steam takes 15%-30% depending on the arrangement so I wonder how much money they really make between the two .

[Vegamyster]

@AnotherProGamer

Red Dead R2 will only out on the PS4 & Xone, if you compare just the PS4 & Xone sales of GTAV to PC:

PS4: 11.94m
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Xone: 5.06m
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

PC: 6.4m (Also came out 6 months later)
http://steamspy.com/app/271...
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

[iloveallgames]

@eonjay
Superdata doesn't have access to any of steam's sales data, you are looking at physical copy only for PC.

[XanderZane]

Yeah but on game consoles...
"Within 24 hours of its release, Grand Theft Auto V generated more than $800 million in worldwide revenue, equating to approximately 11.21 million copies sold for Take Two.
As of 31 December 2014, the game has shipped 45 million copies to retailers, including 10 million copies of the re-released version for eighth-generation consoles.
As of 18 May 2016, the game has shipped over 65 million copies across all platforms."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

Almost 60 million sold on game consoles. As I said, Rockstar knows where the money is coming from. RDR sold over 12 million on game consoles.

[hiredhelp]

You forgot the numbers that sold on pc from R*warhouse for pc players digital code plus legit cdkey sites adds up to nearly double.
So you kids saying that No cos more cost effectiv and make more on consoles ... Its true your right But PC numbers has doubles in past 2-3 years with more people from consoles have bought or built themselvs a pc too sales have risen.
If R* felt PC wasnt viable why are the same devs that put GTAV that doing red dead do all versions of gta on pc LA nore pc midnight club racing pc list grows.
3rd party devs in tidays industry use engines that are able to put game on all formats if needed.
But yeh consoles will be first they did miss us first RD but im confidant sane mistake wont be made.
Agree or dusagree :) I dont care kiddies.

[krazeecain]

@Eonjay @AnotherProGamer SO?! That's well over $250 million. It does NOT cost that much to port to PC, and is a HUGE amount of money regardless of what you're making elsewhere. Also keep in mind that the PC version came way, WAY after the first release on last gen console. The fact that they still sold 5 million copies is amazing.

Rockstar is clearly being incentivized somehow to delay or eschew the PC releases of their game. Their excuses for doing so don't make any sense in the context of other publishers.

[ShadowKnight]

The more the platforms it's on the more profit they'll make. I hope it does come to PC in native 4K 60fps it would be nice, but if not oh well got the console to play it on.

[Eonjay]

Oh I think it will but first you focus on where the big bucks are. Remember they said that GTA 5 cost something liek 250 million to make. You can only get the money back on consoles. PCs will have you bankrupt spending that kind of money.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Yes but it does not need to be day 1.

consider that they could still release it on PC after the fact, Rockstar just doesn't see a reason to be developing on 3 platforms concurrently.

[kneon]

Not necessarily, it depends on the costs associated with supporting another platform vs the potential revenue. Many PC gamers wait for a steam sale before buying, so I expect the average selling price on PC could be much lower than on consoles.

[Kurdishcurse]

there will never be a native 4k game on the pro. people need to accept this. either way, since my ps4 has been degrading in performance, ill be getting a pro very soon. ive heard itll have higher frame stability. bloodborne killed me with ita fps drops. hopefully similar issues in games will be adressed in the pro.

[shauzy]

how does it come to pc in "native 4k 60fps"

[annoyedgamer]

CD Project Red would like to have a word with you.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Because their game cost more?

[kevnb]

I feel like they think they double dip when they delay the pc version.

[starchild]

That's exactly it. They want to release it on PS4 and XB1 and then later release it on PC, PS5, etc. They did that with GTA5 and it resulted in a lot of people double dipping.

It's a terrible business practice. If they're going to screw PC gamers, unlike the other 99.9% of developers, then they don't deserve my money and I won't be buying their games on my consoles either.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Sad you are getting dislikes Starchild. It is true. Expecting double or even triple dipping is immoral and anti-consumer. It is also true what you said on a comment up. A lot of console gamers are so anti-gaming and are overly loyal to their console of choice. All they do is hate.

[Mr_Writer85]

@starchild

Then just wait?

If you double dip and then cry about it you are a moron.

There is nothing wrong with double dipping, you have no right to dictate to anyone how they spend their money.

Either just buy it on console, or wait.

And it's not like R* would half arse the port, you will be getting THE best version of the game.

Sure other develop on all 3 but how many of those games run as best they can Day 1 without any patches needed?

I see The Witcher 3 mentioned, yet it was a mess on consoles compared to PC and has needed several big patches to improve performance.

Look at Arkham Knight what a buggy mess that was on PC.

I'd rather wait and have the best possible version for my console of choice then a buggy mess.

Surely selling customers a buggy mess of a game and fixing it later is more anti consumer than double dipping?

[Eamon]

The real reason why is because Rockstar doesn't want to make a simple port. As with GTA IV and GTA V, they develop PC versions that are optimized for different hardware and for user-created content i.e. mods.

Also, they focus on console versions first to make the most amount of sales possible before releasing a PC version. After all, loads of people (inc myself) have bought GTA on console before buying it again on PC. That's a double sell. They know it happens because that's how madly popular GTA and Rockstar are.

In the end, it's about releasing a great product while maximizing profit. I predict that a RDR1 remaster will be announced shortly and it will come to PC.

[GameHead85]

I call BS on that one!

[Psychotica]

So when I bought GTA V for the PC it was at cost?

[XanderZane]

Rockstar probably see most PC gamers are a bunch of pirates. I'm pretty sure they know where their biggest fans are and it's definitely on game consoles. Just because Rockstar allowed RDR to be B/C on the XB1 it caused sales of the "Red Dead Redemption - Game of the Year Edition" game to increase by 6000%. That was just on one platform.
http://www.gamespot.com/art...
Rockstar knows they will sell millions of copies of this game on game consoles with minimal pirating.

[Gravesinger_]

PC gamer here, with over a thousnad dollars in PC games across Steam, GoG, Origin, Battle,net and Uplay, Can you back up your "Rockstar probably see most PC gamers are a bunch of pirates." statement with evidence? If not, please kindly sit down and SHUT THE HELL UP. Cheers.

[ONESHOTV2]

really now i own over 400+ games from stream- origins -GOG and uplay- battlenet and i have never pirated and game and it's a good thing i work for my money so i can buy whatever console pushes the best graphics if there are no pc version so what am i as a pc gamer missing out on ? and let me tell you i own red dead redemption on the ps3 but i have never put the disk in my ps3 becuase well i had better things to play and i wasnt hyped in wanting to play it in the first place. if anyone wants proof i can put in the disk right now so it registers on my account becuase i know you people on this site

[XanderZane]

@WhereIsYourGodNow
It's pretty much a know fact that games are pirated more on PC platform then any other in the entire world. Don't really need any evidence. But if you want a little proof about the subject, here you go. http://www.pcgamer.com/the-...
Next time do some research before opening your mouth.

@ONESHOTV2
That's nice. You're one of the 10-15% who doesn't/. Congrats. Meantime little Johnny down the street has over 500 games from Torrent on his PC that were pirated. For every one of you, there are 10 other PC gamers pirating the same games you own.

[2600Thunder]

That's not at all true; if you google around at their sales on a year LATE release of GTA V and GTA Online for PC you'll see the masses in profits they made and continue to make on residual online sales. I purchased it for the 360, then PS4, then PC and have been glad to do it with the high amount of content they gave us. I am assuming they are going to do this again so fans who own and want it on PC will buy it twice or more like me.

I am a PC gamer so it's ok with me, and as I said, if they keep the great content coming and don't chop RDR2 to bits like every EA game, then I am happy to support them. They are one publisher worth paying extra. However, I said the same about Bethesda, so we'll see.

For now, EA could use a spanking from RS.

[Gravesinger_]

Well said.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I wouldn't say all that because they wouldn't be porting all their titles to PC if that was the case, I would say it's simply because it cost them too much money to develop on so many platforms.

if they're not getting the same ratio in regards to profit it might make more sense for them to just bring it to the platform after the fact , then development concurrently considering their games are already massive and extremely expensive to develop in the first place adding another platform just raises the cost unnecessarily.

[Erik7357]

Your an idiot, gta 5 sold 5 million units. Yea thats not a lot compared to the rest of console sales but ITS STILL 5 MILLION. That's STILL a lot of money.

[Antifan]

Its more of a technical reason than it is about money. PC is a open system, so R*`s whole virtual online economy could be exploitable by mods.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Numbers say otherwise. Steam alone sold 6 million copies not including other means of buying the game, and Steam sells shark cards. Let's say steam takes 12% of the cut of $360,000,000. That is still $318,000,000 made from Steam alone. That is a helluva lot of money.
If GTA sold on PC along side of console, the number would probably be bigger as some people don't want to buy the same game twice or three times. I believe the choice is anti-consumer.

[N311V]

It's not just these guys. Consoles typically account for about 95% of all game sales. For example, NPD reported the follow values for retail and digital game sales in North America (August 2016);

Console Software $273.7 million
PC game software $14.2 million

http://venturebeat.com/2016...

This knowledge helped me understand why PC ports are often poor quality as well.

[Nivekki]

Your knowledge is skewed.That doesn't include data from Origin or Blizzard.net, two of the biggest outlets for pc gaming. One of the biggest games for pc at the moment, Overwatch, is not given a look in. I'm not saying pc gaming would overshadow console gaming if that information is known, but at the end of the day it means that data doesn't hold water. NPD data as well isn't all that accurate, they don't have the information for everything as much as a lot of people believe. A good percentage of it they make up.

And there's also the fact that North America doesn't equal the world.

There's this little game you might have heard about which is League of Legends, that's quite popular in places that aren't called America.

[Orionsangel]

I think it's because of all the pirating in PC gaming.

[lelo2play]

Consoles always give Rockstar more money so obviously their priority will always be console version of the game. Like or not, that's the simple truth. PC version of Red Dead Redemption 2 might arrive later on.

Now ... claiming that the PC version doesn't make them any money is just plain stupid. GTA5 says hi.

[RosweeSon]

Exactly release on a system where people pay... as it should be or release on a platform where a vast majority will just help themselves to a free copy they only got themselves to blame don't pirate so many games on PC and a developer might see it as financially viable to spend their money bringing their products to PC.

[Iceball2000]

I think it's cause they would rather optimize for 2 devices instead. Then when they got free time make a PC version like they did with GTA. There's a lot more to optimize when on PC.

[crazychris4124]

But there are now 5 maybe even 6 platforms now. PS4 & Pro, X1 and Scorpio, PC and maybe even the NX. Plus GTA 5 has over 5.6 million owners so there is definitely money in the PC market.

[Red_Renegade]

it's not gonna be on everything. they already said ps4 and xbox. pro and scorpio might not even happen.

[TheOptimist]

Don't forget that is the number in spite of a year and a half delay. If Rockstar had released the PC version along with the prev gen console versions, then I wouldn't be surprised to see that number at around 12 million (THat initial hype for the game was mind numbing)
Though I can't complain because the PC version just runs like a dream

[2pacalypsenow]

Ps4 and Pro are the same console one just optimized with better hardware, there will not be Ps4 and Ps4Pro games, it will be the game packaging with the features unlocked if you have a Pro, no need to double dip.

[Aenea]

@Red_Renegade

Sony has made it mandatory for every game releasing from late September this year to include a Pro mode. So yes, a PS4 Pro version is happening and am sure a Scorpio one is too...

[GrimmyReaper]

Except, the situation is the same as GTA V
PS4 and PS4 Pro
XBO and Scorpio
PC
If NX would get it, it would have shown on the page, just like that Sonic trailer

[TheUndertaker85]

They won't bother optimizing for Pro. Scorpio is still a year away. Rockstar likely won't bother with NX as Rockstar really doesn't bother with Nintendo. Having shipped over 65 million copies 5 million also doesn't make a big difference.

So they've got PS4 and XOne to work on.

[dmetripaulpavlin]

@Red_Renegade

I cannot believe how little people understand the upgrade from PS4 and XB1 to PS4 Pro and XB1 Scorpio. You simply do not have a clue about it do you? It isn't an options for Pro it. It will be on Scorpio because that's the whole fucking point of what M$ is doing, turning a console into a closed OS PC while not making it super obvious to the dumb dumbs.

[Reckless_Love]

That only helps to solidify the argument though. They've spent multiple years working towards a base ps4 and XB1, so simply taking that further on a beefed up spec that isn't a radically different piece of hardware isn't going to be a large task. Working with dedicated perimeters to nurture a product can be more condusive to creating a more well realised vision.

I will find it perculiar if it doesn't arrive on PC at all however.

[SoulMikeY]

Ps4 and pro are NOT separate. Everything must work on the ps4, it just gets a patch if they chose to. They will never release on Nintendo and Scorpio will probably not get anything with its timeline. Ps4 and Xbox. That's it.

[SoulMikeY]

Aenea, gr8b8m8. Please post the proof. They strictly said it's UP TO THE DEVELOPER. There will not be separate games. You're buying the ps4 game with optional pro enhancements if they choose.

[XanderZane]

@Red_Renegade
You must have had a long night. Go on and shut down your PC and take a nap. We'll still be here when you wake up and come to your senses.

* PS4 Pro & Scorpio version might not happen? * Maybe you forgot the /s

[medman]

Perhaps, but the troubling thing for pc only gamers is that Red Dead Redemption never made it's way to the pc at all.........

[Nathan_Hale53]

Not really. Consoles are already on a very similar architecture to full PC's. Hell, the Xbox One uses the Windows 10 core as an OS. This is just laziness.

@totallysane
Do you know how optimizations work on PC? because they don't work like that. OS is a big part of it for it to be compatible in the first place.

[totallysane]

it's not just the os they have to optimize the game for. PC's have tons of variations as far as hardware goes. consoles don't change, yet pcs can everyday. You have to optimize for the most popular setups, which sometimes isn't enough because they can't account for every setup that is being utilized.

[totallysane]

you beat me to it.

[Deadpooled]

Maybe they hate the piracy?

@TheOptimist = 'When you sell your game to someone, you are basically doing paid piracy.'

I'm sorry after I saw that I had to stop reading the rest of your comment to avoid deliberately lowering my IQ.

[TheOptimist]

Well consoles do not have non-piracy. When you sell your game to someone, you are basically doing paid piracy.
@AKR
When you sell the game to someone else, does the developer get the money? THAT IS A BIG NO. It has a similar function to piracy on PC, just that we don't have to pay to buy a used item and we get it before many of the second hand buyers.(I don't pirate games, but back in the day when I was a kid, I knew that there would be a Day 1 working torrent).
Also if you read the Copyright terms- They do say that resale of the intellectual property of a developer for personal gain is infringement. (These are not the exact words, but you get the jist). The second hand market should actually be illegal, but it is so big that if someone tries to stop it, there would be a huge uproar.
@moegooner
I know you can't come up with any argument for that. Wow. Just Wow.
@zb1ftw
Agreed. But you can't get DLC without the game. And while it does make millions, the question still remains- Is it fair use?

[Red_Renegade]

crazy stuff like this.

[TheOptimist]

Stalker detected?

[Spike20XX]

never go full retard

[starchild]

Well, he's right. Buying a used game doesn't give any money to the game makers, it's not much better than piracy.

And quit stereotyping PC gamers. Most of us don't pirate games. Just today I bought two PC games. And I buy all of my games.

[FlyingFoxy]

@starchild i have to agree with you, there is the odd comment here that would like everyone to believe that everyone who plays on PC must pirate their games, Steam sales disprove this.

Some are also talking as if there are cheaters everywhere on PC, true it's easier to be able to cheat on PC games. But then it's also likely to get your key/account banned if playing on a secure server, meaning they have to spend money to get back in the game again.

Some people are blowing it way out of proportion, i still prefer PC because of the freedom it gives and i likely always will. Not just for gaming but for everything. I buy my games for the multiplayer, who wants to be locked out of that if they like playing online?

[Red_Renegade]

that's stupid. pirating is getting a game that was never paid for. buying used is passing ownership of a game they already got money for. not even close to the same thing. honda gets no money when i sell my car. why should anybody get money when i sell my game?

[AKR]

@TheOptimist and @Starchild

No, no, no, no. The selling of used games is not ANYWHERE NEAR piracy.

When you buy a game new, a profit is made on it. Selling that game to someone else doesn't equate to lost profit; that's the case for ANY used item. If it were illegal, then the second-hand market wouldn't be so big. The initial sale has already been made, case closed.

Now, if you burn a copy of the disc and sell it, THEN that can be considered piracy. Just think about it, if buying/selling used games were illegal, why would GameStop thrive on it?

[moegooner88]

Wow. Just wow

[zb1ftw777]

False.

The preowned market still makes millions in dlc and microtransactions.

The piracy market does not.

[Eonjay]

No its about money. Unless you are saying that they lose too much money on PC where it really starts to affect their rev.

[AlexFili]

Rockstar is so big they could easily open up their own online store, charge £39.99 or cheaper and fans would easily pay that price. They could then get 100% of the profits for 1% of the work.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Maybe they hate money? 6+million sold on steam alone. Piracy isn't much of an issue as console fanboys want to say it is.

[TheUndertaker85]

Consoles made them over a billion dollars in three days.

http://www.guinnessworldrec...

Consoles also moved over 15 million copies in the first week. That's two platforms with PS3 & 360 as the PS4 & Xbox One versions came out later.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/...

[2pacalypsenow]

They dont have to release it on PC if they dont want to.

[PlayableGamez-]

That is millions of sales they are missing out on then.
They would only be hurting themselves.

[ShaunCameron]

Not really. They 1st RDR never came out on PC and it didn't hurt them one bit.

[seanpitt23]

You pc players can keep saying how many gta5 copies have been sold on pc blah blah... At the end if the day rockstar are clearly not interested in doing a pc version at launch with the consoles or even at all they have never been a fan of the pc and you guys keep saying how much money they are going to lose. Its not going to change the fact that they will make it for consoles only and make a shit tonne of money without the hassle of pc development. If it really benefitted rockstar don't you think they would do one? Something is holding them back.

[PlayableGamez-]

@ShaunCameron It did hurt them. They missed out on PC sales. I can tell that PC gamers have been requesting RDR for years dude. I know what I am talking about.

[starchild]

Of course not. But it's still a slap in the face to PC gamers. The fact that 99.9% of third party developers, and even some first party developers, make sure to put their games on PC shows that PC is indeed a profitable platform.

[PlayableGamez-]

Even Ubisoft is putting WD2 on PC and they have more of a reason not to put their open world game on PC than Rockstar.

[AlexFili]

They certainly don't have to, but doing something contrary to what the whole games industry is doing definitely seems like an odd choice. I haven't seen any benefit to holding back on the PC release date for GTAV unless I'm mistaken.

[Razzer]

GTA 5 didn't release on PC for months after consoles. Probably the same deal here.

[divinealpha]

If you forgot I'll refresh you, it took a year for gta 5 to hit pc ,maybe that will be the same case for this.

[Razzer]

think I edited my post the same time you posted this. yeah.....I had forgotten that they didn't release at the same time.

[AlexFili]

Knowing Rockstar they probably can't be bothered. Not releasing RDR on PC was a kick in the face, doing it again is not going to win them any fans at all. Let's not forget how "amazing" their GTAV launch was... i.e. the one with loads of bugs, huge delay in sorting out server problems... Yeah I'm not going to rush out and buy a console anytime soon.

[TheUndertaker85]

Red Dead Redemption which would be a closer match to RDR 2 never released on PC nor was there ever an intention to do so.

[Razzer]

Could be. If they don't ever intend to port it to PC.....hope they just say that.

[TheOptimist]

I have read reports where they said that the game engine was a mess and that they could only optimize it for two hardwares, so that is probably a reason, and also the consoles back then were quite a bit different from PCs. Right now both consoles are low end PCs practically, so I don't see why they can't bring it to PC.

[medman]

Perhaps, but the troubling thing for pc only gamers is that Red Dead Redemption never made it's way to the pc at all.......

[Shineon]

maybe they dont want to be put to shame by our talented modding community

[2pacalypsenow]

If Rockstar Employees got paid for making mods they would shi* on the modding community. Why pay for something some fan will make for free.

[TheUndertaker85]

More stable mods would be a start

[medman]

@shineon
You will have egg on your face if the console versions allow mods........

[Shineon]

no I wont, I will be happy for them and btw I am a console gamer that skipped ps4 and xbox one due to the fact that I knew thery werent 8th gen consoles from the get go.I had no idea that they were gonna give us the real systems later (scorpio and Pro)But whats funny is that I said in the past if sony and microsoft start over and make new system I will forgive them, its amazing that my thoughts became the real

[xX_Altair_Xx]

They probably hear how PC gamers dont really like console games and already have all the best games anyway, so think it makes little sense to put it on PC, at least initially. Best to put it on systems where their work will be appreciated. I'm surprised PC gamers are moaning, since when do they care about console games?

[SUCKxITxEZ]

Well most of us PC gamers where console gamers when we were children, but we grew up and realized Xbox live and psn cost money for no reason, and that our games could look and run better on a PC.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

"our games could look and run better on a PC"

That's precisely the point; why dont PC gamers go and play those games, instead of complaining that they're not going to get a console game?

[generic-user-name]

What is 'X Company's ' problem with consoles?

They can put their games wherever they want, if you feel otherwise that's called entitlement.

Having said that, they brought the PC version of GTA V out like 2 years after consoles and that didn't hurt their bottom line so they've clearly nothing to worry about financially, they'll probably let PC gamers have it a year or 2 later for a second windfall of cash.

[starchild]

Funny you say that. The Sony fans certainly weren't ok with Crystal Dynamics not putting Rise of the Tomb Raider on PS4. Even though it was coming a year later they made a huge fuss about the whole thing. But I'm used to blatant hypocrisy from you guys.

[generic-user-name]

Completely different. Nobody is paying Rockstar to keep RDR2 off your platform and the Red Dead series has no history on PC.

It's like complaining that Star Citizen isn't coming to PS4.

[Red_Renegade]

not even close to the same thing and you know it.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Entitlement? People just want to play this game.

@generic
That is entitlement. I don't want to go out and spend money on one and I already have a PS4. But I only buy exclusives.

[generic-user-name]

Then they can get a PS4 or Xbox One. Rockstar don't owe anyone a PC version.

[Redx165]

Because PC gamers pirate their games...

Jokes aside they want people to double dip like GTA V and GTA IV. The other possible reason is Rockstar San Diego doesn't do PC ports and never has.

[kraenk12]

The PC market is simply way smaller and it's much more complicated to optimise a game for it...it's perfectly understandable they take their time with their PC versions, if they even do one at all.

[ShaunCameron]

The PC market is actually big. It's just that the majority own lower-end rigs.

[Muadiib]

The PC gaming market is the biggest one of all, bigger than mobile and consoles (yes consoles are in last place), but yes I agree the amount of PC gamer's with mid (more powerful than current consoles) to top range (ahead of the to be released consoles) PC's is a lot smaller than the overall PC market.

[medman]

@muadiib
Mobile is bigger than pc or console, so your argument fails right off the bat.

[PlayableGamez-]

There are millions of active steam accounts... What are you talking about? GTAV sold over 2 million copies within 2 weeks on PC.
http://attackofthefanboy.co...

[kraenk12]

2 million compared to 20 on consoles or so.

[Str8Chaos74]

"2 million compared to 20 on consoles or so." True but that is also on 4 platforms.They will do what they always do, release it a year later and get people to double dip for what most likely will be the best version.

[TheOptimist]

Don't forget the more than 1 year delay. Also it's 5 million now.

[TheUndertaker85]

Consoles made them over a billion dollars in three days.

http://www.guinnessworldrec...

Consoles also moved over 15 million copies in the first week. That's two platforms with PS3 & 360 as the PS4 & Xbox One versions came out later.

2 million in two weeks or 15 million in one... Again, this is not for four platforms either. Just PS3 & 360 as PS4 & Xbox One got the game later.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/...

[Nathan_Hale53]

Not really. You have no idea what you are talking about. PC market is massive. GTAV sold more on Steam than the Xbox One.

[Destiny1080]

it will release on pc, you'll just have to wait a year are two

[medman]

@destiny1080
Perhaps, but the troubling thing for pc only gamers is that Red Dead Redemption never made it's way to the pc at all.............even if it makes it to pc, it will no doubt be a full year and a half or more after the console release, and all the dlc comes out.

[Skankinruby]

They're double dipping, nothing more nothing less. They know very well pc gamers won't wait for the release and buy it on console then will sell it to them again later on pc. Pitiful business move but unfortunately it works

[kraenk12]

Do you know how much development time goes into adapting to and optimising for the varied PC settings?!

[medman]

Perhaps, but the troubling thing for pc only gamers is that Red Dead Redemption never made it's way to the pc at all...........

[starchild]

Yep, it worked for them on GTA5. But I won't support such business practices. I'm not going going to buy any of their games until they stop such practices.

[Red_Renegade]

aww, boohoo.

[daynnight365]

That'll learn'em

[Immorals]

I don't think either of the red dead games have been released on PC in the past, why would this one be different?

[crazychris4124]

Over 5 million copies sold of GTA 5

[Immorals]

GTA started on PC though.

[ShaunCameron]

@ Immorals

But the console popularized it.

[TheUndertaker85]

Consoles made them over a billion dollars in three days.

http://www.guinnessworldrec...

Consoles also moved over 15 million copies in the first week. That's two platforms with PS3 & 360 as the PS4 & Xbox One versions came out later.

https://www.vg247.com/2013/...

[XXanderXX]

Torrents, piracy , Mods and fire sale bundles that net them less money ........Don't know just guessing

[dolfa]

How to beat piracy? Make game with both awesome single player and multiplayer. If some pirate doesn't even buy then it means he has no cash. Company that skips PC platform doesn't have balls to make great game on all points.

[medman]

@dolfa
Your argument holds no water....piracy effects "good" games more than it effects shovelware. Sales for the more popular titles will be higher, but so will the numbers of people who pirate those games.

[Elda]

It's not always about the PC just as some folks don't think it's always about a gaming console.It looks though if you want to play RDR 2 you're going to have to play it on a gaming console first like they did GTA 5.

[showtimefolks]

I am a ps4 owner but games like these should be played on all system but it's R* who make the call

[starchild]

You're the first console gamer that has made a decent comment.

[Artemidorus]

Let's see, pirating the game, PC mods that are a copyright minefield.

More regular customers on a basic console that will spend money and agree to the rules.

[Nathan_Hale53]

But Steam sold more copies of GTAV than the Xbox One did. Piracy is a smaller issue than everyone on here thinks it is.

[Artemidorus]

Now try all Playstations and Xbox's and compare sales to PC

[Elda]

That's because it sold more on last gen consoles being that's what platform the game was released on first.

[Psychotica]

If that was the case there would be no games for the PC..

[Artemidorus]

Not true, other companies are tigher than others.

[opinionated]

They take a year extra to do it right. Be glad you don't get a shitty console port like every other game y'all get.

[medman]

@opinionated
Perhaps, but the troubling thing for pc only gamers is that Red Dead Redemption never made it's way to the pc at all........

[opinionated]

Maybe they didn't think it was worth the time or effort. I'm sure that GTA5 has changed their mind about PC. It's still in the top selling games list how many years later? They made a billion dollars on last gen consoles and then focused on a PC/Next gen version. Maybe you will get RDR3 or maybe you won't but either way you won't know for a year or so. No use stressing about it or making petitions.

[starchild]

That simply isn't true. The vast majority of games run great on PC. Anybody that says otherwise either doesn't play on PC or they are a casual PC gamer with a weak PC and unrealistic expectations.

Most developers put their games on PC day one and they run just fine. And many of them don't even have the kind of resources Rockstar does. There's no excuse. They're just trying to get people to double dip.

[opinionated]

Eh, I hear differently. I hear modders fix games most of the time. Rockstar doesnt need an excuse to focus on consoles. They don't need to double dip. They sold millions of copies on the first day. They could have left it at that and moved on if they wanted to. That crushes most games on any platform.

A PC version was worked on along side a PS4/xbone version. No matter what happened on PC they had insurance. PC held its own with GTA5 though. I think they will look at PC differently this time around. After they make a billion dollars of course. Seems like an legit excuse to me.

My guess is that the PC version will be announced with the Scorpio upgrade.

[Nathan_Hale53]

@opinionated
Then you hear wrong. A massive majority of games run great, if not better on PC.

[curtis92]

I've been on both sides of this: a PC gamer and console gamer. I won't tell people what to buy or how to feel... I Just know that I got tired of having a very expensive gaming PC that I built and always feeling jipped. Whether it was not getting a game at all or getting a ton of poorly ported, horribly optimzed games, I eventually realized what a waste of time and money PCs were and that it wasn't worth it. At least not these days.

[starchild]

That hasn't been my experience at all. 98% of my games run really well and the couple that don't still run and look better than the console versions.

Every platform misses out on certain games and it does suck when that happens, but the PC in general gets more games than any other platform: 99% of multiplats, PC exclusives, Microsoft exclusives and games it shares with PS4.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Name 5 games that you got "jipped" on you're "very expensive gaming PC".

[DillyDilly]

The Mortal Kombat dudes are also ignoring PC for the next game you lazy fucks will never kill the PC

[EDKICK]

They don't want to. It's their game they can release it on whatever they please.

[DAS692]

I don't care what their reasoning is. The way I see it, PC gamers can stop whining right now, because we get left out as console gamers all the time. PC gamers already get the best graphics, the greatest indie titles, games that will never come to console because they almost fundamentally won't work, all of the best mil-sims, not to mention the best platform to experience Oculus and Vive VR on. So PLEASE stop whining. Because if I were a PC gamer, I'd have PLENTY of time to waste on the amount of video games your ALREADY HAVE. Not to mention your modded, ULTIMATE VERSION of GTA 5 THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

[last_one_puncher]

np the Console players will beta test it for us and then we get the best version as always.

[Shakengandulf]

Like the last RDR right?

[kraenk12]

That was a completely different situation. PS3 and 360 had completely different architecture so purring to PC was difficult. Today a PC port/version is f'in easy and it would just be stupid to miss out on the money.

[medman]

@last_one_puncher
Perhaps, but the troubling thing for pc only gamers is that Red Dead Redemption never made it's way to the pc at all.............

[q8kik]

"As always" hah Let's forget that many, if not most console to pc ports are sh!t.

[Lime123]

Best version like GTA IV at launch?

[Kaneki-Ken]

Sure whatever you think is right, that why GTA online for PC is easy to hacks and cheat.

[Spike20XX]

Truth is, piracy exists and heavily affects PC buys.
Overall, in any sales chart, consoles sales are stronger.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Then why did Steam sell 6+ million copies of GTAV? A million more than the Xbox One did.

[kraenk12]

You don't know X1 digital sales.

[TheUndertaker85]

That's like asking why the two last gen consoles, PS3 & 360 made $1 Billion in three days, moving over 15 million copies in the first week.

That's 10 million more in a fraction of the time.

[warriorcase]

Sucks if it end up not coming out at launch but after awsome job they did with GTA 5 on PC I can wait for higher res textures, resolution and performance. Will probably do what I did with gta 5 aswell and buy om console now and PC later. Love it

[UgoGalimbertti]

Elder Scrolls Online had 1 year advantage and everything to win on pc, but loses for console sales. Idk, I have a nice PC, but my main gaming machine is a ps4 as well

[mkis007]

Pc version will release later so R* can get double money.

[overrated44]

I would imagine it is easier for them to optimize console versions first and then once they have the game shipped they can move more resources over to the PC port. People act like they "hate PC gamers" or whatever but it probably has to do with them wanting to get a well optimized game out to one market before they move on to the next.

[medman]

I've said this many times before, but I'll say it again......if you only game on one platform, you're missing out. Period. How many times do you have to lose before you wake up?

[ASBO-5]

Coz pc gaming blows plain and simple

[overrated44]

Spoken like a child who's parents won't buy them a computer.

[tee_bag242]

I'm pretty sure it will come to PC after a year like GTA5. They leant last time people will buy their game a second time to have higher frame rates and better graphics.

[mysteryraz11]

Dont get your hopes up buddy

[tee_bag242]

No hopes. It's just the likely scenario based on recent events.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

Look at what happened with Arkham Knight, way too much effort and then pc gamers still whine and bash the game. It's not like it's a single platform, it's a bunch of platforms / settings, and even if it works perfectly they'll still say that it's not optimized for their oh so powerful gaming system. And as I say this, I'm not saying pc gamers are crappy customers, just highly demanding ones and that makes some publishers question whether they want to deal with it or not, that's for sure.

[CKPan]

Piracy & hackers...etc all the master race things.

[KLICK_KLAK_KIDD]

U guys are all missing the forumla that's being repeated again... They will drop it for consoles maximize there sales on those platforms .. then release an enhance version on PC within a year.. There is no way they are passing up on 5-6million they sold on pc with GTA V... it's that obvious

[Chumdiddy]

Let's be honest and admit half of the copies played on PC would be pirated copies. If half of PS4/X1 players were playing pirated copies we'd have no consoles, no games or versions for all platforms.

[masterfox]

piracy?

[InTheZoneAC]

buy a playstation /discussion

[peewee11016]

Pirate's plain and simple no and if or butts about it.

[lastking95]

This is 1 of the reasons why i dont game on pc. Too many top ips never go or come very late. PC is a back up rather than a primary way to game.

[Huguinho]

Because laziness and greed, they can get some extra revenue if release on PC too, but the marketing machine on consoles is much much bigger, that´s why crappy, rushed and bug infested sh*t gain so much money if released first on consoles, so they focus first on that sector, it´s business, when they see revenue of console sales decreases, they´ll release it on the PC.

[shiva1]

Play anywhere title for xbox?

[bikar]

PC= Worst community, rockstar just does not like FPS whores :P

[Manubiggs]

They just want to optimize for 2 systems and get it right. When they're ready they'll bring it to PC .......... probably

[Ceaser9857361]

PC gamers should know by now R* don't care what you people think... Either RDR 2 will follow the path of RDR and give PC a miss or it will follow the path of GTAV and release around 2019 or so... So if you abuse them or write petitions , trust me it wont work with R*, they gonna ignore straight away.. As a gamer i know R* does things on their own terms.. IF they feel RDR2 deserve to be on PC it will happen

I feel R* prefers Console over PC simply because they make more money from Consoles over PC... R* still earns a lot from GTAO from consoles over PC .. also piracy and mods are a major concern on PC. R* is very strict and professional at what they do , they simply wont listen to something which is not their style.. I have seen R* always does what they like, they never attend gaming conference, they release and announce games when they want to..

Remember when the feminist attacked R* regarding GTAV and which affected sales in AUSTRALIA, R* didnt give a damn and said we can't change anything if the gamers don't want to play thats totally upto the them... Other devs would have taken a step but R* didnt even care.. so This abuses against R* and petitions wont work..

[McGamer]

The reason is simple, console games have lower standards than PC games. Frankly, I'm tired of Rockstar's mediocre games and have no intention of ever buying another.

[ziggurcat]

if I were to guess two things, it'd be piracy, and hacking/cheating.

[Mr_Writer85]

Because they don't do things half arsed? At the end of the day you will get the best version of the game.

R* clearly would rather make the best game they can and have everyone on the same page rather then splitting the team.

It's not like when they do focus on PC they will just port it and give you a shitty port and have it locked to console settings is it?

Yes you have to wait longer, but you will hopefully (most likely) get a game which blows consoles away and works great, as well as being an awesome game.

[cyber_daemonx]

Piracy?

[EL_MOORASTA]

Most of them hakers and will pirate it and will cheat in the online portion, they are just headache for R*

[zb1ftw777]

Because it makes them more money.

PC sales are lower than consoles for cross platform games.

Online multiplayer count is lower, therefore dlc and microtransactions are lower on PC.

Piracy is higher on PC, therefore less initial game sales too.

[zb1ftw777]

In this thread -

Butthurt PC gamers.
Gloating console owners.

[teo72]

Because PC games takes longer to make as there are so many different setups that the game has to work with, and because Rockstar prioritise the market they make the most money first. Which in this case is the Console market.

[seporith]

Oh, the poor sad PC master race HAHA

[eldingo]

I don't think rockstar has a problem with pc as a platform they just seem to have a habit of putting out a pc port after the console versions of it are out and they feel like doing a pc port of it later down the line still wish they would drop that stupid rockstar club online bullshit having to sign into that every time for max payne 3 was a real bitch.

[contradictory]

Because they can double dip... juuust like with GTA V

[philm87]

More difficult to optimise and bug test for PC? Imagine it may take a lot longer with all the different set ups. I'm sure it'll come to PC eventually.

[FSUJD524]

Because they probably roll their eyes, like most people do, when they hear "pc master race."

[Father__Merrin]

developers should never concentrate on PC only unless they want to go out of business. just because you have a gaming PC doesnt mean all of a sudden everyone has one. bottom line is most people game on consoles therefore consoles come first.

imo one way to stop console gamers jumping to PC is withhold AAA games to console only

[jordan8445]

Because their games are largely single player based and the 'PC master race' saves money for their 'rigs' by simply not paying for single player games, instead stealing them from KAT. I wouldn't invest money there either, it's a business decision.

[NecoTehSergal]

Piracy and cheaters go crazy for their games, guess that's a first.

Other game companies may cry about piracy ruining their sales, but 'sales differences' of non-cracked vs cracked showed otherwise - but with companies like Rockstar? Then, it's a different story.

[Surt]

I came close to deciding on whether to get BF1 on my rig. Then i remember its a FPS on a PC. Graphics ain't enough to cover the fucking headaches with that shit.

There was once a time kids where FPS tho was king on PCs. You see the division on PC? have some one who plays on a rig tell you that rarely happens with a straight face.

You like mods you say? Rock star says f@#! off with that.

[Igihara]

Piracy.

[rpvenom]

piracy being one.. but also.. can someone clarify this for me. I'm not developer nor do I understand how to develop games but I always assumed that.. since all the files are there for you (particularly to mod) .. wouldn't other developers be able to disassemble their coding and utilize their engines or scripts or whatever to make their games? That's how I felt about GTA 5.. someone could literally go in.. mod the entire game and make a brand new game from it with minimal effort therefore making them reluctant to release on PC as someone could basically use their game to make their own

[XMarkstheSpot]

Maybe if you lived in China

Edit: IDK how you disagree. Thats stealing Intellectual Property and the only country to really to do that so blatantly is China

[SinkingSage]

That's illegal.

[TheUndertaker85]

So are many mods if you get down to the nitty gritty. Ya know. Those mods that rip off developer coding.

[SinkingSage]

@TheUndertaker85 But nobody is trying to sell mods as if it were it's own game made from scratch, that's a completely different thing.

[jackmamma]

Because it takes 3 times as long to debug PC games properly unless they want to be Bestheda or ubisoft and release unfinished buggy games to PC gamers

[GabrielBRLIVE]

Can't say anything about RDR1, but usually rockstar holds the PC launch in order to optimize it. I don't think PC ports are their expertise, so it makes sense to focus first on the most profitable platforms and then make an acceptable PC version. Better than delaying the release for everybody.

[bsmith61]

I dunno why you guys are so quick to defend them not porting RDR2 to PC. It wouldn't be much of a hurdle at all to port, considering that they already do plenty of development on PCs, and Rockstar being a massive company. Is it really such a bad thing that PC players want to play a game too without dropping a couple hundred bucks on something that will just end up collecting dust? Keep in mind that GTA sold at least 5 million copies on PC. I'll kind of wing this math here, but say all those copies were sold on Steam. Valve takes a 30% cut of the sale to the best of my knowledge. I'm assuming most of the copies were sold at launch (just like every other game). We'll say 4 million bought the game at $60, after Valve takes the 30% cut, Rockstar/Take-Two are left with $40 per game. $40 times 4 million is $160,000,000. If you think that is a small amount of money, there is something wrong with your concept of a dollar's worth.

tl;dr: It wouldn't cost a lot to port, Rockstar would make their money back several times over, and PC players shouldn't have to buy an entire console to play just one game

[NextGenCeo]

Developers like RockStar have just 2 problems on PC. First one hardware! Lots of VGA card and lots of CPU and different memory types of course different chipset and device. Like endless system specs on PC side and if you want to sell it you should do lots of optimization to each different specs PC`s.

Second one of course TORRENT! It`s killing the industry and giving lot of damage to developers. That`s all simple as that. That`s why lots of developers first release the game on game consoles and make some money after that start porting the game to PC.

(ESL guy here so sorry for English)

[constantine_man]

If you're going to leave a comment like "Rockstar doesn't have to put it on PC if they don't want to." Do yourself a favor and write "Rockstar doesn't have to sell an extra 6 million copies if they don't want to" because that's essentially what you're saying.

And before saying "Consoles sold more copies than on PC!" Congratulations on that 4 to 1 comparison. 6 million copies is still 6 million copies. If they don't want my money then I guess there's nothing to say.

[TheUndertaker85]

Rockstar doesn't have to sell six million copies when they already sell vastly more on consoles. Also, you mean five million as has been stated above.

Further Rockstar managed to move over 15 million on PS3 and 360 within a week. That's two consoles that were about to be replaced by PS4 & Xbox One. Those versions did not come out until later. Then those two consoles both went on to move more units than PC.

[constantine_man]

"Rockstar doesn't have to sell six million copies"

There's 5.5 million GTAV owners on steam alone. That doesn't even take into account those with copies they bought separate off Steam. And like I said it doesn't matter that the consoles sold more. Most multi-platform games are lucky to sell 6 million copies across the 3 major platforms. You don't just throw 6 million in sales away because you already sold 30 something million. That is dumb. Money is money. Please, think about what you're saying.

[Edito]

Many PC Gamers can build high-end machines to simple download games on torrents, that's why...

[Psychotica]

Torrents didn't exist when they released GTA V on PC?

[TheUndertaker85]

You mean the same product that came out later and boasted anti-cheat, anti-mod technologies specifically for PC?

[Psychotica]

Yes, but it still came out on PC

[mysteryraz11]

Who cares, get over it buy it on a console then devs don't have to bow down to your needs

[sackboyhappy]

PC has a bad reputation for pirates and cheats

[Psychotica]

Did they just forget about that when they released GTA V?

[sackboyhappy]

i dont know, you'll have to ask them, maybe it was a business decision
GTA having such a large budget, maybe they reached out to more platforms to make the most of their investment

[NerveGearneeded]

instead of asking Rockstar as a journalist, instead speculation. probably not far from the truth though.

[tontontam0]

Rockstar knows that there are gamers out there who are eager to play their games as soon as possible and will probably buy a console to play their games, so they first release their games on consoles, after gaining a lot of sales on console they will release it on pc. and those who have already purchased their games on consoles will again buy it on pc for superior graphics and mods.

[Matology]

They are taking the pistol.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

Ahhh maters race left out again?

[brokenbracket]

I personally plan on buying it on ps4, beating it within two weeks then selling it. Then buy it again on pc where I'll dive into the mp. It's exactly what I did with GTA 5. It still sucks tho, cause I'd rather just buy it on pc day one. But I feel like they make a better game when they don't have three systems to focus on all at once.

[Freeball]

Logically it makes sense. Develop for the set hardware standards of consoles first so you're not dealing with a moving target, then once you have a base, tweak and modify it to work for the non-standard variations of PCs.

Also I'm assuming it's harder to launch on consoles than PCs due to Sony and MS regulations, so get the hard stuff out of the way and take care of the easier stuff later.

[3-4-5]

* Stop complaining because every company doesn't come to PC.

It is annoying.

I play handheld. console & PC and some games just work better on other platforms and also every game can't be on every system.

[Tzuno]

Piracy, although it's happening more in poor countries, can't blame the people for fk'ed up global economy.

[yeahokwhatever]

Piracy. Next obvious question, please.

[Surt]

Ok for those that keep bringing up GTA 5 on PC. GTA ONLINE on the rig is.... wait for it....GARBAGE. Here is a normal session. Go online and... GET BANNED. Why? Cause the first things nerds do when they go online is... hack and grief. And because of that the anti cheat is bleeding strict. Btw that is another normal session where you'll meet at least one cheater.

Tho I do like the anti hack. Zero tolerance baby!

[Trekster_Gamer]

Piracy!!!

[Gambit_the_White]

They've always been a console-first developer, I'm surprised people still don't realize that. They still might go the GTA-route, develop a quality version of the game for PC and release it a little bit later down the line. I'd take that any day rather than a sub-par port released at the same time.

[brotherghost12]

I think they wait to release on PC because they know everyone wants to play it right away and this would make people who play PC have to buy two copies

[Poroz]

x 2 profit. Make a ton, then make a ton more releasing it again later with better visuals or something like Red Dead online!. I bought 2 copies of Gta 5. Why not get people to buy 2 copies instead of one. I love Rockstar, but they are PROS at milking the cow just right.

[Miacosa]

Triple AAA Devs make more profit on consoles and there is also less piracy. With that said RD2 will most likely come to PC this time around maybe at a later date then console but its not like they have to release it on PC they bank regardless..

[Circuitburnout]

Probably because PC gaming is lame and not in the least bit sexy. Yeah gonna run home and game at my office desk, like the one I've been sitting at all day at work. Screams fun to me....

[SinisterKieran]

you're kidding right?
have you seen what a mess gta online is on pc due to hackers?
jeez i've bet they've lost out on so much money due to the way hackers spawn in money.
i'm hurt myself because my main hardware is pc.

[CrimzonRazor]

Easy way to play any game you want first get a job second buy a x1 ps4 and pc dont worry about nintendo they suck so dont waste your money on them.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Piracy, varied specs, online cheating and a fierce loyalty to the PlayStation brand. They only put their stuff on Xbox consoles because they have to. Sony gave them their start and there's a strong bond between the two companies.

[jznrpg]

Pirates, lower prices, harder to get running on 10 million different setups.

[THRASHMOUTH]

"PC master race"
Go on... I'm listening.

[ocelot07]

Is the PC port still riddled with cash hackers? Maybe this is the issue? Rockstar are annoyed people are not buying GTA online money because they can simply hack it in.

[lunatic0001]

I'm not a pc gamer but I think everyone should be able to play it day 1...could it be that redemption sold more on consoles than pc so it gets priority????
Consoles: 12 million or more
Pc: 0

[krypt1983]

Red dead will be better on scropio ... lol ha can't wait to start hearing that except the shoe is on the other foot this time ..