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Sony says the 4K PS4 Pro is 'where we think the market wants to go'

Yesterday at the PlayStation Theater in New York City, Sony announced two new iterations of the PlayStation 4, both of which are due to launch this year.

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Overload2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

"I think the fact that we’re going to put this on the market on November 10th, and we’ve been working on it for two, two and a half years, if other people are also innovating in the life cycle, I think that began after we started."

Of course it did.

Also, the PS4 Pro seems to be doing quite well, it will be interesting to see if it can maintain or if the cheaper slim overtakes it during the holidays.
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MasterCornholio2822d ago

I personally believe the Slim will sell more just because Sony is probably producing more of them.

donthate2822d ago

Doesn't matter when you started. That's just baloney, because I don't buy stuff based on how long people have been working on a console. I buy a console, because it gives values in the area I'm interested in. When you started isn't one of them, and lack of UHD Blu-Ray drive is the opposite of value.

But Sony is not reacting right, they are leading with lack of UHD Blu-Ray drive. I see now that Sony learned a lot from the Xbox 360 that stuck to DVD! o_0

rainslacker2822d ago

You know, in all the time we've both been on here, and had our differences, I was thinking this would be the first time I'd ever agree with you, because you were spot on in that first paragraph, and then you go an kind of ruin it with those last two sentences. The first part is fair enough to emphasize your point, and show that they aren't adding value, but that last part just kind of came across as bitter, and the two scenarios are entirely different, with different implications to the consumer.

MS keeping DVD on the 360 affected all gamers across the board, as most games ended up having to conform to that medium despite a better medium being available. The lack of inclusion of a UHD player just means people that want that feature can't use it for said feature, and ultimately only affects their willingness to buy the system with that intent. Beyond that, the PS4P and X1S are relatively equal outside the PS4P having the obvious power advantage, with real world examples shown of the different options it can provide to games themselves, which do extend beyond just HDR, some of which are relevant to the entire install base, instead of just those with 4K TV's.

DJustinUNCHAIND2822d ago

It's a brand new product.

I would be surprised if it wasn't at the top of Amazon.

Bansai2821d ago (Edited 2821d ago )

Still damage controlling, nice. Must be nice to have all that time for pointless things in life like that.

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YinYangGaming2822d ago

"if other people are also innovating in the life cycle, I think that began after we started." That's the one bit I don't agree with. I would imagine Microsoft started on Scorpio as soon as the weak, underpowered X1 was released in 2013

Overload2822d ago

Then why is it releasing pretty much 12 months after the PlayStation Pro?

ARESWARLORD2822d ago

Because it's using a different GPU the GPU that will be in the Xbox Scorpio hasn't even been released in the market yet I do have to say as a computer guy there's no way Sony has been planning this for two and a half years all they did is wait for the new GPU architecture to drop overclock their CPU and drop in a new GPU you can do the same with any PC that being said I just got back from EB Games and fully paid for the PS4 Pro

uth112822d ago

Because they are dependent on AMD tech which is not available yet. Just like PS4Pro couldn't release until now because the Polaris chips only recently became available.

donthate2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

Basically Sony gambled on VR being big, and that they needed a more powerful console than PS4, so the rushed to get PS4 Pro out. MS did what is best for gamers, and waited a year to give you best bang for your buck possible.

MS are going with new architecture for both CPU and GPU with Vega and Zen. No half measures, no stopgap. Just full on raw performance to make your eyes bleed!

Chrissy:

I didn't say I have no interest in VR. I actuallly have VR on my PC, which I upgraded specifically for VR. I just don't think the general public will accept it as it is which is quite different.

Christopher2822d ago

***Basically Sony gambled on VR being big, and that they needed more powerful console than PS4, so the rushed to get PS4 Pro out.***

You keep creating that narrative of yours. Even though everything shown has been confirmed to run on PS4 with only minor issues that are typical in alpha/beta stages occurring in the floor demos. And this is coming from the guy who has no interest in VR, PS4 Pro, or the like. It just gets annoying seeing you try to create this narrative by posting it so often without any actual facts.

freshslicepizza2822d ago

@Overload
"Then why is it releasing pretty much 12 months after the PlayStation Pro?"

for technology/price ratio to catch up. sony's ps4 pro seems more aimed at enhancing psvr by not including a ultra bluray drive and by merely having some upscale technique to achieve non-native 4k. the cpu is basically the same as the original ps4 as well. i seriously doubt scorpio will be the same cpu.

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ThePope2822d ago

I think they started development the moment Phil took over. The funny thing is the only thing these moves by Sony and MS show is that consoles aren't going any where which is awesome.

miyamoto2821d ago

MS revealed their hand first again...

MilkMan2822d ago

Nope. We want better and more triple A games.
Sony should stick with movies and games and leave the TV selling to Samsung and Vizio.

Overload2822d ago

Who has better and more AAA games than PlayStation?

gangsta_red2822d ago

Nintendo has more AAA games that are rated higher.

Overload2822d ago

The Wii U does have great games, albeit none recently.

Christopher2822d ago

PC also has better and more AAA games than PlayStation...

343_Guilty_Spark2822d ago

Multiplats matter more than Sony exclusives

Overload2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

@christopher

That's debatable. The industries biggest developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog (for example) are found making console games generally.

ShadowKnight2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

@Gangsta_red that makes Microsoft look even worse without first party studio's. Nintendo and Sony is doing a great job in that department. Even PC has more AAA games lol 😅

gangsta_red2822d ago

@ShadowKnight

"that makes Microsoft look even worse..."

Okay...if you say so...I was under the impression that Overload wanted to know who had better or more AAA games.

When did this turn into a "lol @ Microsoft" jamboree and why should I care?

Christopher2822d ago

***That's debatable. The industries biggest developers like Rockstar and Naughty Dog (for example) are found making console games generally.***

I guarantee the list of higher rated, AAA exclusives on PC will easily beat any other platform out there. It may not have the 'highest rated' game, but it will have more higher rated (90+ metacritic) games than any other platform. It will also have more crap games than all the other platform put together, but, you know, that's the part of PC gaming we don't talk about in public.

nix2822d ago

Christ,

Last gen Sony had 3 GOTY games. Xbox had one, i think - Gears of War. Almost every nominations were either PS exclusives or Xbox. I rarely saw a PC exclusive win a GOTY. I understand one or two years of not getting GOTY but an entire generation?

Christopher2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

***Last gen Sony had 3 GOTY games. Xbox had one, i think - Gears of War. Almost every nominations were either PS exclusives or Xbox. I rarely saw a PC exclusive win a GOTY. I understand one or two years of not getting GOTY but an entire generation?***

Wait, is this about 'better and more AAA games' or is this just about 'GotY winners'? Which is it? What goal post are we moving now and to where? Need help?

The reason PC doesn't get recognition is because so much focus has been put on consoles or third-party titles available on all platforms. But, you want a Game of the Year winner? Pillars of Eternity. Best RPG from last year, completely overlooked solely because The Witcher 3, which is a great game, has the mass market focus due to being on all platforms.

I'll tell you what, though, look at streaming and activity, and PC games come out on top. Look at competitive games? PC games come out on top. Look at MMO/MP games? PC games come out on top.

The fact is, there are more games available on PC that are not available on any console. From those games, a good number of them are very highly rated and are AAA games. Even moreso, a game on PC will always work. You don't need to save an old PC or PC component to play a past game. You can play it on your current PC and the next and so on. In addition, PC gaming brings out the latest technology first and has the best looking games of each generation, even if people choose to ignore that PC exists and go with something like Uncharted 4 (it's a beautiful game, but better than what you can get on PC? C'mon now...). And, further, never ever discount what PC gaming has done to make console gaming what it is today. It's because of PC games that consoles have many of the games we do today.

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2pacalypsenow2822d ago

Sony has some of the best 4k TV's on the market, only thing is most people are too cheap to buy them.

MilkMan2822d ago

Right, wich is why 4K gaming is not a "thing" right now.
It's less than 1% adoption rate.

LexHazard792822d ago

Well yeah when the competition is selling better TVs cheaper.

trooper_2822d ago

Okay, let me know when Microsoft invests in new IPs because Sony is the only game company doing it.

-Mezzo-2822d ago

Like myself, people have themselves to blame more than Sony, the Hype/Rumors ( Like Always ) got way out of hand and not that we look at what was revealed, it's actually not bad, not bad at all keeping $399 Price Tag in mind.

Plus, this simply is not an Answer to Scorpio, i am almost willing to bet that a proper Next-Gen system like Scorpio will come Late 2018/early 2019.

BlackTar1872822d ago

I agree i think 2018 reveal 2019 release. If this is a mid gen like they say 2019 would be the release date. I believe MS said every 4 years for them so that's 2021 for the new system.

donthate2822d ago

I'm looking forward to 2019-2020, because we are going to get the Xbox Kracken to fight the PS4 Pro 2: The sequel.

vergilxx32822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

Im glad that they are doing pro version i really want ps4 for it's exclusives
better graphics and higher frame rate is a bonus
day 1 for me and i don't care what people think about it i'm still getting it

ChiefofLoliPolice2822d ago

Good deal already pre ordered mine. :)

343_Guilty_Spark2822d ago

PS5 will come 2020 at the earliest. But then Scorpio 2 will be there in 2021.

ShadowKnight2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

Announcement E3 2018 and release early 2019 with EXCLUSIVE GAMES buddy. There I fixed it for you 😅😂

Xbox isn't a threat anymore. They can't even sell 25 million consoles in 4 years 😂😅

BlackTar1872822d ago

lol at the comment AT THE EARLIEST and then Scorpio 2 in 2021.

3 yrs from now for ps5 is so attainable and is in line with the Term MID gen upgrade on the nose.

LexHazard792822d ago

@shadowKnight, but it hasnt been 4yrs.

rainslacker2822d ago (Edited 2822d ago )

I think it's more down to people have been saying since the beginning it's not enough for this gen, despite it probably being OK overall. The 4K stuff is just overhyping all this even more though, and if this new paradigm continues in some form going forward, it's only going to become more rediculous where it leads to too much potential for companies to start focusing on the wrong thing.

I don't think Sony is really wrong overall in what they're saying here, but it seems both companies tried to start the gen too early, instead of toughing it out another year or two to get to a point where it would actually be beneficial for the consumer as a whole, and not require more investment to stay ahead of the curve.

More specifically though, I think both console makers kind of forced the market to want to go this way by releasing consoles which were perceived as under powered across the board. Before this gen, I've never once heard someone hope for more console releases which blur the lines between generations, or give multiple options to the consumer. Even before the rumors started I never heard people asking for that, they just complained about the power of the systems. Complaining about it isn't the same as the market wanting this new option, it's just them complaining that the companies didn't do something right the first time.

Other than that, the PS4P specs are fine, and the features are nice regardless of if you own a 4K TV or not. Whether it's worth it will be up to the individual. The only thing which made me say I wouldn't get one is the lack of the UHD player, since that is the only thing I would conceivably want from it at this time. Despite some games taking advantage of the new features, I have this feeling that most software still won't fully utilize the Neo's benefits until next holiday season.

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Evercade Alpha Reveals Affordable Mini-Arcade

This looks fun and affordable for fans of Retro Cabinet games.
Introducing Evercade Alpha, the first Evercade-compatible arcade machine. This bartop-sized arcade gives you everything you want in a home arcade machine with one big feature - full compatibility with the Evercade cartridge ecosystem.

darthv721d 8h ago

I like the Mega Man one more as it has a better variety of games. Strider, Carrier Airwing, Final fight... The other is all SF. Plus i like that i can pop in any of my evercade carts to play as well.

Garethvk1d 7h ago

As long as it is durable; it's a deal.

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Sony Says The PS5 Is Its “Most Profitable Generation To-Date"

During Sony’s recent business segment meeting and investor presentation regarding its game and network services, the PlayStation company revealed that PlayStation 5 is the company’s “most profitable generation to-date.”

It’s the top slide of the presentation, showing that in its first four years, the PS5 generation has already hit $106 billion in sales, having almost caught up to the PS4’s total $107 billion generated.

Operating income for the PS5 generation has also already surpassed that of the PS4, having now reached $10 billion.

ApocalypseShadow1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

I wouldn't doubt it. They released a high quality system. A lot of high quality games from themselves and their support of 3rd party developers and indies. They released many high quality remakes and remasters. They released a high quality GaaS game going against the naysayers thinking Sony would abandon single player games. And they most likely are profiting a lot more than PS1, PS2 PS4 and the loss leading PS3 that drained all their profits.

Now, I'll wait to see what's cooking tomorrow. But can you use some of those profits to better support your high quality VR headset? Because, by supporting it, you can sell more games and more systems and make more profits?

jznrpg1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

I want RPGs for PSVR2! Good ones of course

shinoff21831d 20h ago

If it had some rpgs I would buy right fking now. It looks dope and alot of fun, but it's biggest game resident evil 4(maybe) I've got no interest in. I'm not a fan of racing games, even with that metro game coming i was never much into that series. Rpgs would be fantastic.

MrNinosan1d 18h ago

Lemme know if ya wanna play some Zenith 🙌
Bought it at release, but haven't played it more than 1-2 hours but for sure on my "todo list".

Cacabunga1d 17h ago

Normal when they released mostly cross gen games so far. That’s a lot of money saved..
We haven’t seen what PS5 can do yet. 4years in and PS4 games still look great to me. The gen leap isn’t quite there yet.

--Onilink--1d 19h ago

The interesting metric for me is the $106billion in operating income/profit (not sales as mentioned in the article) reaching the same as the PS4 did with only half the consoles sold.

In particular because they all are supposed to be making the most per hardware sold after a few years when manufacturing costs are down.

So even putting inflation aside(and the higher console price), it is interesting that they could reach PS4 $ with just half the consoles sold.

Maybe there is more to the metric thats whats seen at face value, but they have clearly been making a lot more money than before on the software side (with also less games released I suppose, given its only been half the generation so far)

VersusDMC1d 18h ago

The bulk of the money has to be coming from the 30% cut on all games and microtransactions. Especially on all the free to play juggernauts like genshin, apex, fortnight, etc.

--Onilink--1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

@Versus

They are definitely making a lot on that for sure (which the $70 price increase factors into as well), but its not like many of those games werent around for the PS4 too.

They might be counting the gen as a whole and not just PS5 itself (so extra profit from PC sales, whatever that may be)

PS+ price increase and different tiers probably amount to part of that too.

But in general, its still quite a surprising metric. Half the time, half the consoles sold, less first party games released so far and still already making more of a profit than last gen is quite something, and as mentioned, there is probably more to it that we dont know, after all, since we are talking about operating income, all the expenses they have also factor into it, so it is also possible that they have found ways to significantly reduce that + all the means of increased revenue that appear to be factoring into the equation

All in all, just an interesting situation from a business perspective

porkChop1d 15h ago

It's for the whole generation, so it would likely be including PC. They also make much more profit on digital sales vs retail, and digital is far more prominent these days. The generation also started at the height of COVID when everyone was home, spending far more money on gaming/hobbies. It makes a lot of sense for this gen to be more profitable.

Abnor_Mal1d 21h ago

This will surely shut up all the new trolling accounts trying to spread lies and non facts in other articles comment sections before this article is posted.

Hofstaderman1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Obscurely, those trolls or troll will not show in these articles as the truth is contradictory to his or their orchard-sized daily dose of copium and hopium.

Tacoboto1d 19h ago

Or... They're intentionally trolling you guys specifically. Because they know it upsets you so easily.

Name-dropping Orchard, after this many months? How long has it been and he's still in your thoughts?

Elda1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I'm quite sure the individual is reading these positive comments downvoting & seething at the same time. Edit: It just downvoted my comment...lol!!

Hofstaderman1d 18h ago

No I'm entertained by this individual. I love unhinged people, they are so interesting lol.

repsahj1d 20h ago

Wow! I am super impressed that in just 4 years, ps5 already caught up to the PS4's. Congratulations.

JackBNimble1d 1h ago

That happens when half of your games are cross platform. I'm still waiting to see what the ps5 is capable of, because they sure haven't pushed any limits.

And where are all these ps5 exclusive games?

sagapo1d 19h ago

Not really surprised as Sony barely has any competition at the moment.

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Zotac To Reveal Their Portable Gaming PC At COMPUTEX 2024

This sounds like a very interesting mobile gaming PC. ZOTAC returns to COMPUTEX 2024 to showcase its biggest push yet into brand-new product categories from Handheld Gaming.

smashman982d ago

My last 2 gpus have both been zotac. No issues. I'm interested.

Garethvk1d 23h ago

It will be interesting to see what they have to offer