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Microsoft Xbox “Scorpio” To Be Powered by AMD “Polaris” and “Zen” Architectures

Yesterday, along with the Xbox One S, Microsoft announced the “Project Scorpio” or Xbox “Scorpio”. According to Microsoft, it is going to be the most powerful console ever made when it launches next year. According to clues, the Microsoft Xbox Scorpio will feature a custom-designed SoC made by AMD.

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gedden72908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

But guess what.... They said the frame rates between XB1 and Scorpio games WILL NOT CHANGE.... UPDATE. http://wccftech.com/xbox-sc... HAVE THAT SEAT.

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LeFear112908d ago

No offence, but are your retarded mate?
What do you expect will happen when they upgrade their gpu? Why do you think they are upgrading the gpu? The frame rate will increase along with resolution and if you have a 4k tv you will be able to play games in 4k.

Dabigkahuna762908d ago

Hey man don't insult the mentally challenge

Fin_The_Human2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Seriously Gedden?

I know you are trolling but why even make such a comment...I am going to report you for Spam because we all know what your agenda is.

So MS went all out on 6 teraflop monster console to only have the same frame rate as the XB1 which is what people were complaining about -_-

Everyday I see a new spin but this one is just as bad as the other camp saying that the Neo should be compared to the XB1 S and not the the Scorpio.

one2thr2908d ago

Off topic question- Was "Scorpio", the codename for the "Xbox One S", or is this Xbox "Scorpio", a completely different unannounced MS console?

Fin_The_Human2908d ago

XBox one S and Project Scorpio are two different consoles.

XBox One S: A slimmer version of the current XB1 with 4K and HDR ( mostly for movies) , but apart from that the specs are pretty much the same.

Project Scorpio: A 6 terabite monster that will release next year to give developers more power so developers don't have to sacrifice anything when making VR and regular games.

This is an XB1 4.5 which is comparable with the vanilla and S - MS has realized that technology is pretty much outdated in about the first year so they are aiming for an upgradable console PC hybrid so that the following year you can still have the best tech without having to buy a new console.

rlow12908d ago

Well said, every interview I've seen from Phil, he implies that software will take advantage of whatever system your using. So with more powerful machines you'll receive the benefits from that, while those who don't want to upgrade can still enjoy the same game minus resolution or certain effects. It'll be interesting to see how long they can keep that up, especially after the systems get really outdated.

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Sm00thNinja2908d ago

Dumbest statement on N4G right now. 6 teraflops isnt enough to go from 30 fps to 60......

sangoku_d2908d ago

I know all the performance will be used rendering in 4k except that 3rd parties can do whatever they want with it and don't have to hit 4k

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qwerty6762908d ago

lol seems people are latching on to any narrative that's fits their already preconceived bias of a brand.

Fin_The_Human2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Yup.

Notice how Neogaf has gone silent.

Its like the 6 teraflop monster hit the GAF community with a nuke and silenced the haters .

Everything thing that Phil says will be picked apart .

Fin_The_Human2908d ago

Gaydden we get it...you love Sony to death.

Now please move on.

keki2908d ago

you sound just like them

Yetter2908d ago

You're not particularly bright are you?

Artemidorus2908d ago

It will provide 4K and more than likely 60fps.

AndrewLB2908d ago

A jump from 1.32 tflops to 6.0 tflops will allow for 4k gaming at 30fps, not 60. But this is only if the game in question has graphics in-line with what is currently seen in video games. Some people forget that 4k has FOUR TIMES the number of pixels that have to be rendered, and this requires an increase in processing power of a similar magnitude. While there may be some games that play at 4k/60 on scorpio, they will likely be as rare as 1080p/60 games on the current Xbone. You certainly wont be seeing games with the same level of detail of PC Ultra settings @ 4k/60 on scorpio because there just isn't enough processing power even with 6 teraflops. I know this because my overclocked GTX 780ti does 6 Teraflops and i can downsample 4k rendered graphics via nVidia DSR, but only if I reduce the graphics quality to what is seen on console.

donthate2908d ago

gedden7:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are just ignorant, but the lack of frame rate difference is due to locked frame rates to get consistency across platforms for competitive reasons. Hence the Killer Instinct reference.

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ShadowKnight2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Not surprise at all. TBH it makes sense since its new hardware with the latest technology.

rousseau882908d ago

I am not sure i've read this right because my fist language is french but does it have 2 CPU? One made of next technology "zen" and a Polaris of 6 teraflops?

rousseau882908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

" it will also feature an AMD “Polaris” CPU with 6TFLOPS of performance."
Article talk about a polaris cpu not gpu...

Aenea2908d ago

Google AMD Polaris and you will see that it's a GPU while Zen is a CPU...

rousseau882907d ago

ooh okay, i guess its the artile mistake

Pancit_Canton2908d ago

Expect to pay at least $599 on the console.

bleedsoe9mm2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

ms got killed putting out a 499$ when the competitor was 399$ and you think they are going higher , not very likely it will be sub or 499$

SpringHeeledJack2908d ago

No way Microsoft will price this below £/$ 600 without taking a big loss financially. It is a high end gaming pc, and I think they have gone a bit ott with the specs. Price high and it won't sell, price cheaper MS will take a big loss on each console sold.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2908d ago

I don't think you have any idea how advanced this thing will be or the cost of hardware with that kind of power... MS and Sony made like $20-$30 profit per console sale, You can't even build a PC with ZEN right now, you can bet your azz it will be an expensive chip set for PC gamers

Yetter2908d ago

Yep, I'm with you, no chance this is gonna be over 500$

Kingoftherodeo2908d ago

microsoft got kill for 499 with a kinect that not everyone was a fan of and competitor had better specs. if it had been at 499 with no kinect and better specs no problem. but you also have to think about the tv tv tv E3. i can see this being over 500,not everyone will buy but a console over 500 but if it does what is promising then i can see gamers spending money on this. i dont mean kids who still get consoles bought by parents

hells_supernova2908d ago

@springheeledjack this is NOT a high end gaming PC. The 1080 GPU is 8 teraflops and the 1070is above 6 keep in mind this console is not releasing until the end of next year and by then GPU will be hitting close to or over 10 teraflops.

It is a mid range mas market PC at best.

In saying that it will still be a great console for those who do not want PC

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Elit3Nick2908d ago

With the new ecosystem MS is trying to put forward that would actually be a good price. You have the One S for entry level gaming, the Scorpio for high end gaming, and then PCs for modularity/very high end gaming. I think it's a smart idea, with cross-play, there's no longer a barrier between friends if they have a PC or xbox, and with cross-buy, it makes an xbox worthwhile to a PC gamer when he/she's away from home

qwerty6762908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Maybe but keep in mind we still have like 18 months before it's released.

If it came out this year i'd say it would be $599

But as tech continues to evolve by holiday next year the scorpio will most likely only be as powerful as a "mid-range" pc

I could definitely see them being able to hit the 400-450 price point by then.

Yetter2908d ago

6Tflops will still be fairly high end at this point. Not top of the line but I doubt Nvidia will have there 11 series cards out at this point, and the 1080 rates at 8.5tflops. Sure somebody is gonna SLI two 1080 and build a true beast but generally speaking a 6tflop console will still be better than the average for PCs.

Not to mention a console is still a closed system that can be optimized for so you can push more performance out of that 6Tflops than you could out of the same PC build

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2908d ago

Yep, especially with the new ZEN tech! $599-$699 is a good window to expect and is super cheap for you are getting!

D2K2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

We don't now how much the Zen CPU will cost, but I cannot imagine it being much more expensive than the Polaris GPU cards. We already know that the Polaris GPU which mostly likely to be used (Polaris 10) will retail between $199 ans $229 depending on if it has 4 or 8 GB of GDDR5 memory. So buying that card in bulk will be extremely INEXPENSIVE for Microsoft or whoever else is using that card in their console.

The point is, Scorpio can easily still retail for $399.99 at launch and still sell at a profit. People seem to forget that the PS4 sold a a profit of $18 dollars at launch while being the most powerful console ever at the time.

http://ps4daily.com/2013/11...

That's the beauty of the Polaris architecture in terms of the GPU. You get lots of power and performance, for less energy consumption and price. Then, you add in the Vulkan API on top of that, we have a opportunity to see some amazing stuff on Scorpio.

Mkai282908d ago

Yes amazing things on Scorpio, but it won't be using the Vulkan API.

AndrewLB2908d ago

The retail price for the upcoming AMD Radeon RX 480 which is going to have similar performance to Scorpio is going to be $199. So integrating that Polaris 10 GPU into a Zen APU a full YEAR later to be used in the Scorpio console can easily meet a price point of $399. The increased memory bandwidth over the RX 480 is likely because its using GDDR5x memory and not HBM.
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

conanlifts2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

I would think it's more in line with their next card, which would be closer to the 1070 in terms of power. The 1070 is 6.5tflops and easily outperforms the 480 in benchmarks released. So maybe they will release an rx490 to outperform the 1070 and cut it down a bit for scorpio.

Of course i might be completely wrong it might be a reworked 480.

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ABizzel12908d ago

This all but confirms that Scorpio is the successor to the XBO, even if that's not how MS tries to market it.

They've changed the CPU, GPU, and RAM configurations, which means several other parts must have also been changed as well, so these won't be direct ports simply being upgraded for the more powerful hardware. The Xbox brand is becoming a PConsole / Steam Machine with the brand to back it up, where games are designed for multiple pieces of hardware and scaled across, so optimizations are going to be more time consuming for both boxes.

The CPU architecture is the real reason for concern here, but even then it shouldn't be nearly as much of an issue porting from XBO to XB4 as porting between say PS3 / PS4, since this is still AMD architecture. The good news XBScorpio will have the power to play all XBO, 360, and possibly original Xbox games through sheer emulations since the CPU should be significantly better, but the reality is becoming more and more likely that this isn't just a mid-gen console upgrade like PS Neo is rumored to be.

Fin_The_Human2908d ago

So is the Neo the successor to the PS4?

No right because it rumored to only have 4.5 teraflops...funny how that works.

Phil already made it clear that this is not the next gen XBox and its more of a service that they did for developers because many where complaining about not having enough power to make the game that they truly visioned without sacrifice.

Think of the Scorpio more like the Mac products from Apple where you have different options and prices but are all in the same family.

arkard2908d ago

The developers are going to have to keep sacrificing because the games still have to run on xbox1.

Fin_The_Human2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

Ok so how is this different from PC games where you can play games on low, medium or high settings.

I am sure MS has thought of this and your gaming experience will be based on the hardware you own.

But that's unfair you say...that's just how life works, I want a Lamborghini but I can only afford a Honda Civic which doesn't not mean I still can enjoys my Civic.

In the end the people who aren't OK with what MS is doing can always buy a PS4 or PS4Neo.

JasonKCK2908d ago (Edited 2908d ago )

@arkard No, the games will just be set up like they are on PC.

madmonkey012908d ago

The performance % increase is about the same as that between the 360 and one, IT seems like a generation leap to me,

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HexGaming Launches Kickstarter Campaign for Hex Phantom

Custom Controller Company HexGaming launched a Kickstarter campaign for their latest pro controller, Hex Phantom. - IS

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Sony shares big new PS Plus stat, but not the one we want to see

PlayStation Plus has improved the split of PS4 and PS5 players on its priciest tiers, but Sony continues to hide total subscriber numbers.

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mandf1d 13h ago

lol acting like it’s equivalent to ms numbers

Mr Logic1d 13h ago

Uh...They're definitely not equivalent.

"Microsoft’s Xbox Game Pass service now has 34 million subscribers."

"the total number of PS Plus subscribers across all tiers was 47.4 million"

darthv721d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.

To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN.

bloop1d 9h ago

That's not the "gotcha" you think it is Darth.

darthv721d 8h ago

^^it's not supposed to be bloop.... it's just an interesting observation.

Einhander19721d 6h ago

darthv72

"That PSN number seems like it should be much higher... especially when you consider that PS4 alone has a sell through of over 117m. To not even be at least half that is rather interesting.

To the XB side, having 34m to an install base of roughly 50m (XBO sell through) or even 85m (360 sell through) is a greater percentage of unit to member ratio than PSN."

Have you ever heard of a PC before? I hear they are pretty popular.

fr0sty1d ago

MS started lumping gold subscribers in with those GP numbers... keep in mind.

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shinoff21831d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

What. Definitely more os plus subscribers but that makes sense due to actual console sales

Darth the difference between the bases are huge your right but you gotta think. Ps players buy more games, where as the Xbox base relies on gamepass for their gaming. So it makes perfect sense

darthv721d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

What makes perfect sense though? You say PS players buy more games... so then logically there should be more PS+ subscribers given the increased number of online multiplayer games in the PS4 generation alone. The PS4 was the first time that + was required for online play much like Gold was for 360 users.

Keep in mind we are talking subscribers, not simply XB/PS users. I assume you meant to say offline single player games, which is most likely true as well. That gen also saw a significant increase in games with an online component comparted to the previous gen.

victorMaje1d 11h ago

I for one will be going back to essential at the next renewal. When I feel a game is good & right up my alley, I’ll check trusted reviews & just buy it.

jznrpg1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

I have the top tier until 2028 as they gave me a massive discount for all the years I had left but I’ll most likely go to essential as well. I buy my games but my kids do use the service occasionally. They do prefer to own their games as well since any game can leave the rental service at some point and they don’t like that idea. They mostly use it to demo games then ask me to buy games if they really like it.

RedDevils1d 5h ago

For me, I will cancel it all together but unfortunately I still have it till 2030 lol

meganick1d 9h ago

I would like to see Sony add a fourth tier of PS Plus for people who just want to be able to play games online without any of the perks like monthly games, store discounts, or anything like that, and it should cost $20 annually, $30 maximum. There’s no way I’m paying $80 just to play games online. Even the original $60 fee was too much, and I would often wait for sales to re-up my subscription.

P_Bomb1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Essential is too expensive, I agree. We’ve got one Essential and one Premium sub. Dropping the Premium when it expires.

gamerz1d 2h ago

Just let my subscription lapse for the first time since 2010. Will sub again every now and then for a month or so to access my old ps+ games but for me it's the end of an era.

DivineHand1251d 1h ago

Let those numbers continue to drop because it is now too expensive. $80 per year just to play online. I noticed they didn't offer any discounts on the subscription or controllers during this year's days of play for the first time in many years and they will feel it when people choose not to renew.

My subscription will lapse next month and it will stay that way until further notice.

KevtheDuff22h ago

There were savings on subs and controllers here in the UK? I bought a controller yesterday in the sale..
It would be weird if those deals were not in other territories too?

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Evercade Alpha Reveals Affordable Mini-Arcade

This looks fun and affordable for fans of Retro Cabinet games.
Introducing Evercade Alpha, the first Evercade-compatible arcade machine. This bartop-sized arcade gives you everything you want in a home arcade machine with one big feature - full compatibility with the Evercade cartridge ecosystem.

darthv722d ago

I like the Mega Man one more as it has a better variety of games. Strider, Carrier Airwing, Final fight... The other is all SF. Plus i like that i can pop in any of my evercade carts to play as well.

Garethvk2d ago

As long as it is durable; it's a deal.