Rumor: The Xbox One mini is real; Multiple new Xbox devices coming and Xbox interface headed to PC

Brad Sams, a writer that focuses on everything Microsoft took to his Sams Report podcast to reveal a bit of information he...

[christocolus]

E3 is going to be interesting. Can't wait.

http://kotaku.com/sources-s...

http://www.polygon.com/2016...
"Power is a primary concern for Microsoft with Scorpio. The PS4 has remained a constant leader over the Xbox One in this respect, with games on the platform usually running at higher resolution and a higher framerate on the PS4 than their Xbox One counterparts. Microsoft is determined to end this narrative."

"The Xbox One is believed to operate a peak target of 1.32 teraflops, compared to the 1.84 teraflop performance numbers attributed to the PS4. Meanwhile, per documents secured by Giant Bomb's Austin Walker — and corroborated by our sources — the PlayStation 4 "Neo," at approximately 2.25 times more powerful than the PS4, is likely to have a peak performance number of 4.14 teraflops.The current performance target for Microsoft's Scorpio is approximately 6 teraflops."

Damn.....

[Budrazor]

I read the same thing. It's gonna be a beast.

[Gazondaily]

IF the new Xbox is more powerful than the Neo....expect the Internet to melt. Oh...my......days...

[Bobafret]

Then it will be "it's all about the games" again lol. Now THAT kind of flip flopping you will see.

[Phill-Spencer]

@ bobafret

And the other camp would start to care for fps and res difference again. So it'll go both ways.

[UltraNova]

Boba, Sony /PS already have the 'its all about the games' and better hardware argument cards in the pocket(cause it was always about the games at Playstation not TV and Kinect + the PS4 library far exceeds in quantity and quality that of the xbox) ... not to mention that xbox fans will suddenly care about fps and rez again so I hope you understand that your attempt was pointless and moot. GG.

OT:
I'm interested to see what will Sony do if the new xbox is at 6 teraflops. Considering their rumored plans to release the ps4neo this year to go with PSVR I dont think they have enough time to cram a more powerful GPU in the NEO and do all necessary design changes and Quality testing by November, but then I'm not Mark Cerny am I?

So lets say for the sake of the argument the ps4 neo is indeed less powerful than the 2017 xbox, will Sony allow MS to start a marketing campaign advertising this power difference and take back their blood, so to speak and lose sales as a result? Or will they release ps5 in 2018 at say 10 teraflops as their answer?

Meanwhile in the land of the normal,i.e us the gamers, we are faced with yearly, expensive upgrade choices to make and lots of consoles to trade in that will keep loosing value due to market saturation(I mean what if 10 million xb1s and 20 million ps4s are suddenly traded in? Would prices drop to 50 bucks each? Why buy ps4 neo when ps5 will be out next year? Same goes for the xbox). Some dont realize this but forward compatibility eliminates the need to keep older models which means trade ins will increase exponentially while value will drop.

Before any one tells me its a choice no one is forcing you to buy these new consoles I will say this, do you honestly believe that devs will give the older consoles any proper attention once millions buy the newer models? Do you honestly believe they will optimize equally between ps4, ps4.5, xb1, xb2, NX and PC? No they wont and that's when we current owners will get the shaft.

I dont like this, not because I dont want better tech but because I know that both the industry and the consumer are not ready for this. But in the grander scheme of things, it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is that these upgrades are coming and each one of us will have to decide their own upgrade plan--embrace the iPhone culture or stick to 'as long as it works' side and pray for the better.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

MULTIPLE ?
uh-uh fyuck that. I was so on board with mid gen consoles (like PS4K) like once in 3-4 years, but 2016 slim and then 2017 codenamed Scorpio Xbox ? uh-uh. This is a recipe for disaster. It is too frequent.
edit:

Ok. My confusion starts with whether this Xbox-Slim has 4K capabilities or not. That means it will have a slight upgrade from normal Xbox One. I assume the PS4-PS4K game issue policy will be the same here too.

And then a third MORE powerful Xbox-2017 ? Will it have the same no exclusive PS4K policy thing too. That's 3 console in increasing power.

[Zeref]

It has 4k output but won't support 4k games.

[Movefasta1993]

No it will do 4k gaming but it won't support 4k output.

[TheCommentator]

No, even the current XB1 has support for any format of media at 4K resolutions. MS has stated this multiple times already.

[Unspoken]

Slim with the 4k movie streaming and codecs. Always a slim released a few years out. More effecient manufacturing process makes it cheaper for those who don't have the console.

New console for the next Gen gaming and VR capabilities further joining Windows 10 and an Xbox gaming machine.

GAME ANYWHERE.

[DopeTech]

This is what they'll announce and release in 2016:

1. Xbox One Slim.
2. Xbox TV for Windows 10 Apps and Netflix and other things like that, just like Amazon FIRE, It's not for gaming.

And for 2017:

New more powerful Xbox One, Codenamed 'Scorpio', features more powerful GPU/CPU, will be capable of 4K Gaming, will be released in 2017.

Seems great!

ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!! CHOO CHOO!

[christocolus]

I knew there would be more to the relationship between Oculus Rift and Xbox. Reading kotakus article they claim to be partnering with Oculus for their 2017 Xbox hardware. I really can't wait to see what happens at E3. The team in charge of BC (which was announced at last E3) is also rumored to be working on something much much bigger than BC this time around.

[BlackTar187]

Remember all the AR fanboys will kill VR nonsense LOL now we all get to sit back and laugh at those people flip flop and the other people who said DOPOOOOM PS NEO HOOORAY XBOX 1.5 .

Going to need a factory worth of popcorn to weather the storm if this is true.

[gangsta_red]

Bluetar, you're trying way too hard. Your keyboard can't take the pounding you're giving it.

Even if no one will ever claim this I'm sure you'll be in every article from this point on saying this will happen. Hopefully you'll scour N4G until one or two people actually do. Won't you be so happy when that finally happens somewhere down the road. Can't wait for the all CAP response then.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

Seems about right. But by "4K Gaming", I hope you mean 4K output, because there is no way a native 4K resolution console would be manageable in 2017. We're thinking Vega and later Pascal for that.

[WhoCaresWhatMyNameIs]

TVs use UHD-1. The standard format for "4k TVs." That's very different from DCI 4k, which is native 4K resolution. DCI 4k is only used in the film and video production industry.

[Rookie_Monster]

Sounds awesome. MS and Team Xbox train is running full steam ahead now. I will buy the slim and the Scorpio.

[ShadowKnight]

Sounds like you were right about the Xbox 2 (Scorpio) in 2017. Only thing left is Microsoft buying or making more first party studios. They have a bright future ahead. You should thank Phil for that.

[Gol3m]

This is the part where rookie abandons his faux ps4 support as there's rumours of a more powerful xbox. Watch him flip flop like a fish out of water

[Budrazor]

The fanboys are in denial already

[ShadowKnight]

So does that mean the Xbox 2 is still coming out in 2018/2019? Just curious

[sammarshall102]

Scorpio (2017) is Xbox 2

[ShadowKnight]

You should know PS neo is not the PS5. Microsoft is releasing it to early if it's the Xbox 2.interesting

[ninsigma]

Very interesting stuff there. All rumour of course so get your salt at the ready! So again rumours surface of a new xbox model. Interesting, if true for both console makers, that they have both decided to make new models for their respective consoles.

Edit: why two streaming devices though??

[RosweeSon]

If they release the Slim line first and then the upgraded version that is full on dumbass. Make the better revised console first see how that pans out if it's chunky and needs slimming year or so later introduce the slimer newer model, doing the slim first gets some new people on sure and possibly some early adopters will upgrade to the slim then what 6-12 months later oh but we have this better "elite" console that you should all now repurchase. At least if they do the better console first then we have the option get launch day or go for the better console then if a slims introduced later down the line meh it happens at least any late people will still have the better console and not a slim line version of the currently not as great system.
Standard micrsoft tho.
Well look into lowering digital prices, we won't do it but we'll have a look.

[TheColbertinator]

V R? Hope this is not true as MS should focus on better things

[N0TaB0T]

Everyone wants a piece of the Virtual Reality pie it seems, so I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility.

[joeorc]

@N0TaB0T6m ago
[Everyone wants a piece of the Virtual Reality pie it seems, so I wouldn't entirely discount the possibility]

exactly!

Microsoft already started with its own inroads into VR..right after Google was pretty effective in building up its own stints into VR..Google is releasing their own VR headset now with advanced API usage and 1plus1 is also releasing one of their own.

Microsofts first entry into recent VR advancements
http://www.engadget.com/201...

so going to continue from this point to further developments should be expected.

[sammarshall102]

VR focus is the only bad news out of these leaks IMO

[WheatBread]

*Waits for the poor to complain and downvote this post*

[joab777]

This has been in the works for awhile, these upgraded machines. It REALLY opens the door for MS. I can see many PS owners buying a new upgraded xbone b/c they already have a Playstation. It gives MS a chance to be back on par with Sony.

Crazy! Hopefully marketing is good, b/c I can see this being a confusing mess for many.

[phoenix_dusk]

Lol

[kraenk12]

Just....Delusional.

[RiseofScorpio]

Whatever Sony drone.

[Bobafret]

In all fairness MS has yet to be on par with Sony sales wise. Xbox fan here just telling it like it is.

[rainslacker]

MS better bring some games that appeal to the PS market then. The casuals and moderates which Sony is scooping up aren't going to invest in a 2nd console, and if the hardcore PS owners were into MS games, they'd already have an XBox making them multi-console owners(which likely means they might upgrade as well). The only PS fans it's going to get are those who want the best thing available, but without the games, it'll become a hard sell given that most are probably OK with what they have at the moment.

[_LarZen_]

Allot of children, the poor. People stuck in the 80's etc etc will cry rivers of salty tears.

[WhoCaresWhatMyNameIs]

This all goes back to the 2012 leaked documents about Xbox being a universal platform. Streaming device and TV were all listed in their internal documents.

http://kotaku.com/5918942/l...

You can find the rest of the documents online. Interesting read. A lot has changed since then, but some of the stuff remains intact.

[ScorpiusX]

If any of this happens to be true , i would rather they release the actual upgrade this fall . Saving the slime for next March.

[Wallstreet37]

So much new tech coming out at one time or within the same window lol All the tech junkies must be in utter bliss.

Hey if they are all viable and worth it, im on board 100%

[ILostMyMind]

And what about "slap in the face"?

[Lord_of_Cinder]

I am just waiting to see how those on Xbox who expressed their hate for VR and upgraded consoles will suddenly love with all their hearts VR and upgraded consoles.

The hypocrisy train is beyond believe. Also, after all those articles hating on NEO and how it will split the user base and how bad it is and no one wanted, what are they going to say about this now?

How about Collin from Kinda Funny? Is he going to say the same thing he say about an upgraded xbox now? Some people just does not have an identity, they just say whatever they say and contradict themselves the next day and so on and on.

[BlackTar187]

Dude it's going to be hilarious to watch

Just sit back and watch American Journalism show everyone how insane it is for the billionth time.

[MRMagoo123]

it's already started....some of the "multi console owners" that were concerned the ps4k was a slap in the face and vr was rubbish are now very excited about this rumour lol 😂 and imagine if like most rumours turns out to be fake they will be spinning so much it'll cause tornados

[Bobafret]

I'm still waiting...

[maniacmayhem]

So are those that were listed flip flopping? Or are the sony fanboys on this site once again making things up and jumping the gun?

[magiciandude]

"The hypocrisy train is beyond believe."

100% agreed. Sony fanboys bashed Phil Spencer's idea, then once the Neo rumors popped up they started warming up to the idea and now defend it full force.

[ziggurcat]

"100% agreed. Sony fanboys bashed Phil Spencer's idea..."

can you cite specific examples?

[BlackTar187]

ROFL . I told you this is just the beginning to a crazy rush of madness on N4g.com

[magiciandude]

@ziggurcat

Care to cite specific examples for Lord of Cinder? Probably not. ;)

[maniacmayhem]

@magicianlord
So Ziggurcat just casually ignored the actual poster who you were responding too and asked you to cite specific examples?

Gotta love these fanboys.

[ziggurcat]

@magician:

No, sorry, that's lord's responsibility. Ask him. You make a claim, you should have no problem backing it up with evidence, no? So put your money where your mouth is, for once, instead of posting blind, mouth-foaming fanboy nonsense.

@maniac:

Nope. Nice try, though.

[maniacmayhem]

@Ziggurcat

I seem to have just read a whole conversation somewhere of you accusing someone one else of specifically going after only a certain group of people.

So why is it that you're not following your own advice?

Why does Magician have to cite examples, but Lord of Cinder, Blacktar and a host of other extreme Sony fanboys don't get the same question from you?

Is it because you yourself are a blind, mouth-foaming extreme fanboy? Care to answer that?

[Rookie_Monster]

@maniacmayhem,

Just ignore people like Ziggercat as he also want me to show him proofs of me being at PSX, my PS4, etc.

Some people are just weird and insecure like that.

[ziggurcat]

@maniac:

I think you need to read that conversation again.

I almost always cite examples to support my claims, so yes... I follow my own advice. Nowhere in this comment section have I made any claim of Xbox fans flip flopping, so why would I have to provide examples?

Magiciandude made the claim, so the onus is on him to support what he's said. And there's plenty of people here (yourself included) who can very easily hold lord, blackstar or whom ever it is accountable. So, if it bothers you so much, why not ask those people to cite specific examples of Xbox owners' hypocrisy?

[magiciandude]

@maniacmayhem

Lmao magicianlord, love it. Right on! ;)

@ziggurcat

"No, sorry, that's lord's responsibility. Ask him. You make a claim, you should have no problem backing it up with evidence, no? So put your money where your mouth is, for once, instead of posting blind, mouth-foaming fanboy nonsense."

Lmao here's one

GameNameFame

"Wow. You are damage controlling hard.

It is exactly like PC. Xbox is basically going to be like steambox.. LOL..

Console had benefit of having a high efficiency due to locked hardware.

Now that is gone on Xbox. Xbox's new goal is to sell software. Not hardware or building ecosystem.

It is essentially quitting console race and joining PC ecosystem." -85d ago

vs.

"Double standard is just hilarious.

Xbox comments on half gen upgraded console and everyone hails as incredible innovation. Once you hear PS4 doing same, it is the worst thing ever??

Lol is it double standard or desperation?" -17d ago

Hypocrisy is amusing, as always!

[ziggurcat]

@magician:

Very good. That's all I asked.

[rainslacker]

What's more believable is just how readily people accept their own perception of events as the common consensus and generalize everything to suit their own agendas to form new narratives that didn't happen.

That last part can be directed at maniac above, because that's exactly what he's doing in his ever consistent attempt to call out Sony fan boys.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

We expressed our hate for gimped PSVR.

[lastking95]

I have yet to see one person hyped about the vr portion lol. Gonna be waiting a while because while ppl are hypocrics i doubt one would be one over vr. They would simply admit they're interested in it and hoped it came. I wasn't interested in vr before and still not.

Riiiight Golem prepare for the waiting lol. His motto is "flip flopping awaits" 😂

[LoveSpuds]

More rumours then.

I reckon the easiest job in the world would be to design a slimmer XB1, the current device is gigantic :)

[Hold_It]

Wouldn't you want a larger system size so it could take advantage of larger hardware for better performance, and larger cooling solutions so YLOD and RROD don't exist anymore and we can come closer to PC tier?

[bleedsoe9mm]

mine is quiet as a whisper and its been on 24hr a day since launch , amazing device .

[Xavior_Reigns]

Time for flip flopping! VR will suddenly be good for gamers, upgradable XBO is a fantastic idea! And what do you know... XBO ends after 4 yrs... just as the OXB.

[Bobafret]

And just who are these imaginary flip floppers? I have seen a thousand comments crying about something that I don't really even see. From the start Xbox fans reaction to new hardware has been cautiously optimistic at best. I have however seen Sony fans raising hell about the Neo.

[cRy4wAr]

You must not use Twitter, XBox fanboys, shouting to the heavens over these rumors, lmfao.

[Xavior_Reigns]

Ah ignorance when it benefits you huh? LOL! Just like Xbots other favorite method... crying "playing" the victim.

[brewin]

Im totally down for an upgraded box. Why not? If you are against upgraded consoles, blame the people who shell out $600 every year for the newest phone for opening up that can of worms. Fact is, theyve been updating and redesigning home consoles for generations. Even the NES had revisions and slightly better editions released well into its lifespan. People shouldnt be pissed about it, thats just the way business is. Enticing those who havent taken the plunge yet is the main goal, but the companies know the hardcore will want the newest edition as well. Its really win-win if you think about it. If we can extend the console generation why the hell not? Longer gen = better games. We really never see a consoles full potential until right when the new consoles are coming out. 10 year cycles with mid gen refreshes will only help keep consoles alive and relevant.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Honestly all Microsoft was missing was the hardware. They have the software on lock.

[cRy4wAr]

😂

[dcbronco]

I'm also expecting Microsoft to announce Original Xbox BC and the Xbox app for Surface Pro 5 and Surface Book 2. With the new Zen based APUs coming out next year with HBM and the new GPU architecture but huge power requirement savings it could be the Xbox Surface long rumored. Maybe even the 8" Xbox Surface from the 2010 leaked documents. Having OX BC could provide a huge boost to GwG if they release a remaster every month.

[Rookie_Monster]

I could see the current Xbox One be playable on the new Xbox Surface as their Portable gaming device in the Xbox brand, while the current XB1 will be the economy brand for gaming while the Scorpio is the system for core fans that want power and VR support. That is the way am seeing it. Scorpio should just use the same Windows 10 Xbox game code as PC so that why the PC and Xbox brand will fully Be One.

[dcbronco]

Also expect a Steam app on Xbox. Plus in addition to a smaller gaming Surface Pro other manufacturers will make the Xbox UWP app available on their tablets.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Halo 6 in 1440p 144hz with G-SYNC or FreeSync? Sign me the fuck up.

[Gamefan79]

I'd hate to be Nintendo right now. I think they are making a mistake releasing the NC in 2017 now. Might be the death knell for them

[ShawnardAgain]

Please please give me a portable Xbone.

[its_JEFF]

The rumors about future Xbox's being "services" and not really a game console seems like a logical step, for both platforms. That's the reason why Sony bought up Gaikai, well I hope that's the reason why any way. The Xbox streaming stick on the other hand doesn't seem too appealing. Unless it does something that the other streaming sticks can't do, then it's another case of MS jumping late into a market. It would be amazing if that stick replaced your Xbox and is basically a streaming device for games... but we don't have the internet speeds for that just yet. But I welcome that day, being able to play your games on different devices sounds amazing!

[lastking95]

That would be cool. Plug it into your tv hdmi port and boom all your digital titles right there.

Take my laptop to work, play when on lunch lol......wait a minute.....it all make sense now!

[its_JEFF]

right, that would be awesome! I would imagine attaching that thing to my workstation at the office, when i'm working late or waiting for traffic to die down, of course...

[Melankolis]

It isn't even a huge plan for Xbox. It's a huge plan for Windows ecosystem. Xbox is nothing but a brand in Nadella's mind i'm afraid

In the future, the fanboys's war will be more complex. PS4 is stronger, which PS4? Xbox is more powerful, which Xbox?...

[DivineAssault]

We will see how much these consoles actually cost.. If the rumors are accurate of course.. To me, it depends on the games i want to play and how much they expect me to dish out to buy it and start a new library.. Ill buy a new system if it suits me but if the games such, no thanks, and if the price is too high, NO THANKS.. Never know though

[Phill-Spencer]

Their first priority should be making more and better exclusive games. Without this xbox+ will get @$$kicked like ps4 does it with x1.

[s45gr32]

Is a rumour and hopefully this whole fiasco of upgradeable consoles remain a rumour. Console gaming does not need to become a gaming PC with limitations. It needs to bring a unique feature.

[SynestheticRoar]

NOT TO THE PC. No the horror.

[GrimmyReaper]

What do they mean "Xbox interface headed to PC"?

I hope not as part of the windows platform. That sounds aweful. Windows 10 (besides going through personal data like it's nobody's business) is just fine the way it is now, leave it be.

If it's like Xbox app and Microsoft store, well .... I think we all know how that's going.

[wutang4ever]

what ever happened to the power of the cloud ??