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Is PS4K just Sony's UHD Blu-ray player?

A lot has been said about Sony's PS4K, but are we all getting worked up over nothing?

Listen in as QorC regulars Mike, Jack, Dave and Andy chew the fat on the PS4K rumours as we know them and try to work out what hardware Sony might announce at E3 2016.

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Aloy-Boyfriend2963d ago

A 4k chip would be very expensive. I think it's a slim model with 4K playback

freshslicepizza2963d ago

most likely. not sure why sony just won't leave the ps4 alone if it won't impact gaming.

TFJWM2963d ago

Umm as time goes forward you can replace certain parts with better and smaller parts at a lower price. That is why slim models exist. People get a slightly better system and the company makes more money while selling it at a better price...

Satou2963d ago

They need to do a 1080p60 console, or atleast a console that can play all the 900p games at 1080p.

freshslicepizza2963d ago

the slim model;s usually come out later and are cheaper because like you said, the parts become cheaper. if that's the case and this new model gets better parts and is cheaper for the consumer then that's great.

wakeNbake2963d ago

4k bluray is amazing bruh.

TFJWM2963d ago

"the slim model;s usually come out later"
3 Years in the US btw PS3 and PS3 slim

"if that's the case and this new model gets better parts and is cheaper for the consumer then that's great."

Or if its the same price with better parts that would be great too, right?

freshslicepizza2963d ago (Edited 2963d ago )

@TFJWM
"Or if its the same price with better parts that would be great too, right?"

not as great because past practice has shown a decrease in price for the consumer when the slim model comes out and not everyone cares about 4k playback or has a 4k tv.

NewMonday2963d ago

@moldybread

almost certain it will be both, cheaper $300 PS4, and PS4K for $500 all playing the same games.

bouzebbal2963d ago

if you count the 4K games in it then yes it's a 4K bluray player.
We have no idea if such a console exists, let's wait and see but i see it as it is fully backward compatible and has a 4k output.

nowitzki20042962d ago (Edited 2962d ago )

I know quite a few people who are hoping its for 4k playback at least. It will help push 4k into the mainstream more as well.

"if it won't impact gaming."

Yeah because consoles are only for gaming right? Same MS fanboys that brag about their HDMI in lmao

indyman77772962d ago (Edited 2962d ago )

If Sony makes this a HDR Blu-ray player I can see it helping Sony's sales just like regular Blu ray did in the old days. I just paid for the only one of TWO HDR blu-ray players on the market the SAMSUNG brand one for 399 the other is Panasonic. Which cost's 599. People could get a HDR video game machine for cheaper than a HDR blu-ray player I can see it happening sales!

If Sony had launched it a month ago they would have had sold out just like Samsung and Panasonic is STILL! I got mine direct from Samsung after waiting a WHOLE months of back orders. HDR on a HDR capable tv IS sweet!

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ProjectVulcan2963d ago (Edited 2963d ago )

4K resolution games with the same PS4 visuals we have right now requires 4 times the performance. In terms of current GPUs, that's an R9 Fury. Go look at the price of a R9 Fury. That's not all, you would also need a CPU and significant memory performance boost to match.

Does anyone really think Sony are launching a machine in 2016 with 4 times the performance of PS4 in a small console box for a reasonable price? Not happening.

What they could do though is update the console's HDMI revision, add UHD bluray support and minor hardware tweaks to make that all run nicely together.

Satou2963d ago

Nobody except casuals think it's a 4k machine, I just want a 1080p60 machine, or atleast one that'll play all the 900p games at 1080p.

OoglyBoogly2963d ago

4x the resolution doesn't automatically mean you need 4x the GPU power. My single 290X can not only do 4K but it can do so with better graphics (draw distance, texture resolution, etc) but it even has better frame rate than the PS4 counterpart.

So yeah, a 4K console doesn't need to be as powerful as people like you think it needs to be.

dumahim2963d ago

@OoglyBoogly
Plus, the console can be more efficient and I don't think it would even need to be native 4k. It could do something in between and then upscale.
I just hope if it is for 4k gaming, they'll have the ability to keep it 1080p and up the framerate for those that don't care about 4k.

NewMonday2963d ago

a single GeForce GTX 980 4.6 Tflop GPU can do 4K30fps, this is my brothers set up, he can do it with Battlefront and looks amazing.

my old 3.1TFLOP GTX680 actual game performance is similar to the 1.8TFLOP PS4, so if they can get the PS4K to push 4TFLOPs then 4K30fps is very possible.

extermin8or2963d ago

@newmonday: well by your logic there surely if the actual game performance of your 3.1 TF gpu is similar to the 1.8 TF ps4 (due to optimisation and stuff no doubt) surely the ps4k would only need to get to about 3TF to match the 4TF gpu performance? Although that's still 160% ish of it's current power. No likely ps4k is the slim ps4 with an UHD blu ray player hdmi2.0, better wifi card etc and al the new smaller chips due to developments within manufacturing process that shrink the die allowing the console to be more effiecient energy wise and to be smaller.

nowitzki20042962d ago (Edited 2962d ago )

@Martin

If they make it so it can play every game in 1080p 60fps, it will still be pricey. It will be for 4k media if the rumors are true at all.

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Chocoburger2962d ago

I really wish people would realize this. Just leave the hardware as-is for gaming. Improve Blu-Ray playback, fine, no one will be upset. But wait until PS5 to improve video game graphics.

ProjectVulcan2962d ago (Edited 2962d ago )

@ OoglyBoogly Sorry, but it generally does.

If you are only running undemanding titles, early console titles that didn't take full advantage of the hardware and not the cutting edge ones then yes, you might barely make do with an R9 290X for 4K.

But if you're running any games remotely modern and GPU bound then it's not really enough to lock to a 30FPS minimum. You really need to average in excess of 30FPS to claim equivalent performance, because if the game is vsynced and locked for the most part at 30FPS on console, you need to do a bit more than that on PC to also be vsynced and locked.

This is also despite the fact in a gaming PC, any such card will no doubt be paired with a vastly larger and faster (and massively more expensive) CPU than the Jaguar cores in PS4. Plus a lot more system memory, and at least as much VRAM which offers a great deal more memory bandwidth than the consoles.

In other words a gaming PC that barely manages 4K on modern titles is hugely more expensive to build than PS4, as it needs to be many times more powerful.

Just look at 4k Rise of the Tomb Raider tests. Even Fury X struggles to 30FPS minimum at console high settings (not ultra) R9 290X not remotely good enough. http://kotaku.com/rise-of-t...

Battlefront was mentioned- runs a solid 60FPS on consoles. To get that @ 4k on PC even at just high settings (not ultra), you need waaaaaaaaaaay more GPU performance than a mere R9 290X. http://www.gamersnexus.net/...

What about Dark Souls 3, the PC version offers only the tiniest visual improvements over the consoles. Max quality 4k/30FPS requires an R9 Fury. http://www.techspot.com/rev...

R9 290X barely scrapes above 25FPS average......

So on and so forth.

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KillerPwned2963d ago

This is exactly what I been thinking and saying the whole time it seems like the most profitable and usual way I would expect things to go. Also the timeline for the release of this would be just right with 4K movies just starting to come out to stores.

Orbilator2963d ago

Im looking for a new console with 2tb storage and no drive, as im fully digital purchases now.

Aenea2963d ago

You are, most people are not...

Even though I do have the internet speeds to go all digital [downloads], physical games are way, way cheaper for me (from €70 to €45-55). Besides I like to have something physical, to receive it, await it's arrival, opening it, handling it, put it on a shelf, etc., etc.

So no, a bluray less system is not gonna happen because not everyone wants digital and not everyone has the internet connection to even do so, why market a device that you can't sell to everyone?

kingPoS2963d ago

That's great, unless of course you have to manage a 350gb cap that most US isp's seem to be intent on enforcing.

Gateway MT6706 2008

blesbok2963d ago

This 100%. Any other idea is unwarranted.

Dragonking0072963d ago

Yes and no because buying chips at a bulk would be a lower price, unless... there making crossfire but of mid to high chips that can work i can see that happening certainly theyll modify it to fit the build and would be a liquid cooled ps4, im just seeing this through how a pc is built sony can do so many crazy things now it surprise me if they manage to nail 4k but at same time i can just see a slim ps4 model with 4k blueray... but that lther part of me recalls sony not in it for the multimedia for there playstation line its gaming centered system.

Muzikguy2963d ago

This is like the big question in gaming right now. I should stay off this and other sites for a few months. It's getting tiring and ridiculous that the same questions and articles keep popping up

Tsar4ever012963d ago

What the hell ya'll talking about "SLIM" ps4!? The damn console is SMALL ENOUGH as it is!! It's the same size as the XBox-360S model but not as thick. They don't need to make it any DAMN smaller. Just change the insides like it's APU to a 16/14nm and upgrade the Blu-ray to a 4K slot drive and maybe upgrade it's wifi to support 802.11-AC & upgrade the memory to GDDR5X and up the capacity to 12GB or 16GB.

showtimefolks2963d ago

you can not expect a $399 console to deliver 4k native output. these mid gen consoles will be an upgrade over current models.

new ps4 will be $399
old ps4's sku $299/249($249 by blackfriday i think)

oasdada2963d ago

Slim model with 4k playback AND (Maybe) has a cell processor for Backwards compatibility?

Dragonking0072962d ago

First off ps4 not a media box sure it does netflix and has a blueray but main purpose is gaming lets not assume sony going to put a 4k blueray just for movies they are definitely going in on for 4k gaming and yes it is pricey like all other electronics that are suppose to do high quality resolution content. If naughty dog, sucker punch and santa monica making good looking games that look better than most average triple A titles out today just imagine what they can do with a higher end gpu? But this just my opinion i try to have neutral outlook in all of this rumors. Maybe im wrong.

RashBandicoot2963d ago

The PS4 can already do 4K playpack with video and pictures. Pretty sure this is an upgraded GPU console.

extermin8or2963d ago

Would make no sense todo that. Unless upgrade i incremental and just allows higher frame rate but I doubt sony will do it. The current console is capable of 4k video and pictures output but only at 30fps due to older hdmi port type, plus it cant play UHD blu-ray because it doesn't have a 4k blu-ray drive. Surprised me that it didn't at the time tbh but I guess they wanted to keep the cost down soa slim with hdmi 2.0 and new blu-ray drive would make perfect sense.

kraenk122962d ago

It will feature an upgraded more efficient APU with upgraded 4K upscaling. There have several legit reports about it already. Wonder why people are still so sceptical, it makes perfect sense in regards to VR and Sony's will to push its 4K market.

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Likketysplit2963d ago

Makes sense from a consumer tech perspective but they are gonna piss off a lot of people if they leave the standard PS4 behind with new software.

_-EDMIX-_2963d ago

Yes but why would they? It doesn't even make sense to abandon a large install base.

Kipster2963d ago

There's very real chance of them fragmenting their own market and upsetting gamers with an 'improved' console. Be very interesting to find out just what this thing is...

ShadowKnight2963d ago

It will play game at 60FPS :)

nowitzki20042962d ago

It will cost at least $599 if it does that.

ShadowKnight2962d ago (Edited 2962d ago )

Lol then I guess it will only be a PS4 slim with a 4K Blu-Ray player and energy efficient.

ShadowKnight2963d ago

It will play games at 60FPS :)

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai5d ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19724d ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

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@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19724d ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel5d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz4d ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay4d ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers33d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken33d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g33d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing33d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H933d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola33d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66933d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle33d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg34d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos34d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola34d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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