Has PS3 Struck Back ?

Kevin, Shane Battenhausen and Greg Miller discuss the Playstation 3's possible come back. They also say PS3 might win the console war.

[Hydrollex]

1 - Might die less than 6 months
2 - Still uses last generation disks
3 - Sound's like a helicopter in your house
4 - Scratches disks like a ...
5 - Online = not Free
6 - No 1080p
7 - No HDMI
8 - Only 20GB ( Elite 160 which you have to pay 450$ )
9 - more more more ....

Wins and PS3 lose ? Is that fair ?
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Xbox 360 has many great games right now and I think the games are better than PS3 but it was out for 2 years. PS3 is warming up and after Uncharted, R&C and COD4 its going to pwn the 2008 with it's great games.

Thanks to Mr. remix because he gave me this news and I thought it's useful.
http://www.n4g.com/up/20131...

[gamesR4fun]

Where do they get up these experts?

Watched a few eps very anti Sony Im guessing just anothe part of the M$ hype machine.

[PS3PCFTW]

XBOX 360 FTW!!

when hell freezes over

[DraconWolfX]

I had to reply to your points.

1 - Might die less than 6 months -- Not ALL consoles die. Even if they do, there is a 3 year warranty. Still, Not all consoles die.

2 - Still uses last generation disks -- Those last gen disks work fine. You can't tell me Blu-Ray games are WAY better than comparable 360 games. If the devs can fit a game on the 360 perfect. The longer games (RPGs, Metal Gear) could just use swappable discs, not a big deal.

3 - Sound's like a helicopter in your house - And this is a basis to judge a console? Who cares? Turn your sound up. If there were a console that had amazing graphics and all the games of all the consoles but was loud I would most definitely get it.

4 - Scratches disks like a ... -- Again, this doesn't happen to all. Mine has NEVER scratched a game.

5 - Online = not Free -- It is a far superior and more reliable service. I'm VERY happy paying $50/yr for a refined, reliable, and standardized service like Live.

6 - No 1080p -- This is a lie. 360 does 1080p

7 - No HDMI -- Also a lie, the 360 has HDMI.

8 - Only 20GB ( Elite 160 which you have to pay 450$ ) -- Buy a hard drive separately, big deal. Either way, 20gb is fine. I'd prefer 40gb but not a reason to HATE a console.

I'm not being a fanboy, I'm just pointing out your ridiculous reasons for not liking the 360. The PS3 is an awesome piece of machine but not because of the reasons you've quoted above.

[lowlight]

Quite the statement there...

[lessthanmarcus]

1. MOST LIKELY will die within a year
2. 59.99 for a DVD? WTF??!?!
3. Not as bad as a helicopter, maybe a small generator. But thanks to my 360 I don't have to buy a small heater for my room
4. Which way? vertical or horizontal? If you have it vertical it scratches and blocks the most important fan, but who wants it horizontal?
5. Dont lie to yourselves fanboys, you don't like paying 50 dollars a year. What are you paying for? In game chat? WOOOWWWWW
6. Not sure about the 1080p thing. Supposedly it has that
7. Xbox has HDMI, mine doesn't but apparently new xboxes do.
8. As much as I hate Microsoft, I have two Xboxes and like being able to swap the hard drives. But I also like the fact you can actually upgrade PS3 drive without paying 200
9. I'll add, no wifi, no rechargeable batteries, no internal HDDVD, and much more

[drewdrakes]

lessthanmarcus- I greatly enjoy paying for Xbox Live. I use it everyday and find it very satisfying. Microsoft did a great job. Yeah, it would be good if it were free, but i still dont mind paying.

Hydrolex- most of your arguments are quite stupid, way to go. I have one, PS3 has no good games, which may not be true (it is in my opinion), but its at least a better argument against a GAMES console than any of yours. Ive had my 360 for about a year and a half, hasnt died and hasnt scratched a disk. Disk scratching was warned against in the manual, plus who moves electronics which a disk is spinning within? Hi common sense, i'm <insert your name here>.

[Monchichi025]

No.

Don't get me wrong, the PS3 is a great machine but it has already lost this generation. With the PS2 it was seen as the "cool" machine with mass market commercials using the PS2 in it. Now, every mass commercial you see on television has people playing the 360. Even Espn is featuring the 360 instead on the PS3. Go check it out, www.espn.com.

The image war is now over, so that puts the 360 on top. At least in all of America that is.

[ARBitrator]

Before I start I want to say sometimes you read a comment that just has to be responded to, if for no other reason just for the outrageous ignorance of a dumb fanboy.

Comments like this typifies the common over sensationalizing FANBOY.

Exaggerations only make you sound like a little b!tch and not a reasonable person. Lets put your bullsh!t into perspective shall we.

1.5 - Corrections:
1. "MOST LIKELY will die within a year"

You are speaking of the early version of the 360 yet you still want to press old issues. However if someone said the that PS3 has no games, you would quickly correct them and say that it does now, and you will further start ranting about future titles. Like you're reading from a script.

2. "59.99 for a DVD? WTF??!?!"

Hey genius it's not a movie, it a video game. You are paying 59.99 for the hard work of the developers. Yet you'll probably pay 60 bucks for a piece of @$$ in a heart beat. (Grow up)

3. "Not as bad as a helicopter, maybe a small generator. But thanks to my 360 I don't have to buy a small heater for my room"

I don't think the 360 is a loud as your typical PC, but no ones whining about PCs are they. Also, my PS3 is quieter than my 360, but It's not silent and the difference between to two are not so much that I need to call the other one a vacuum, helicopter, or small generator.
Also, if the 360 can heat your house, maybe you should move out of that cardboard box.

4. "Which way? vertical or horizontal? If you have it vertical it scratches and blocks the most important fan, but who wants it horizontal?"

Most anyone that doesn't have to put their 360 in a book shelf wants it to be horizontal. Funny my PS3 is horizontal also. If you don't want your 360 to scratch disks, try waiting til the disk stops spinning before opening the door Einstein. Or stop knocking the damn thing over. Besides, I don't think the new benq drive is scratching disks and this is the drive being shipped right now. Once again old news. (See #1)

5. Dont lie to yourselves fanboys, you don't like paying 50 dollars a year. What are you paying for? In game chat? WOOOWWWWW

What! What! What? No one "LIKES" paying for anything. However I will pay 50 bucks for anything that I think is worth it. And I think XBL is worth every penny.

6. Not sure about the 1080p thing. Supposedly it has that
If you're not sure about the 1080p thing, then you don't know sh!t about the console or news on the console which makes you just another talking puppet. One more thing "STFU"

7. Xbox has HDMI, mine doesn't but apparently new xboxes do.
Apparently...see #6 and take heed of the STFU part.

8. "As much as I hate Microsoft, I have two Xboxes and like being able to swap the hard drives. But I also like the fact you can actually upgrade PS3 drive without paying 200"

Bottom line, money is your problem. You're cheap, I'm sure the PS3 you now own is the 40 version. And you'll never upgrade the drive because 7-11 is not paying you enough.

9. "I'll add, no wifi, no rechargeable batteries, no internal HDDVD, and much more."

Okay, honestly what "Quality gamer" actually plays online using WIFI, also people know the PS3 has WIFI and if WIFI was an issue for 360 owners they would have either bought the WIFI adapter or a PS3. I will take replacing no recharible batteries any day over replace the entire controller since the batteries are sealed in, or did you not know that. As for the built in HDDVD player, I will use my standalone HDDVD player if I want to play HDDVD movies.

One last thing, you have so many reasons to HATE on the 360 yet you claim to have two. What kind of genius are you? Don't bother answering, I already know; you're the dumb kind. As for Hydrolex, your comment is worse than lessthanmarcus so I won't waste my time on you.

[razer]

To such an idiotic and mostly false statements. I guess all the PS3 fanboys with their 10 accounts each have all logged in to agree with you..

All I can do is speak from experience.. I own both a 360 and PS3.. The 360 get's played the PS3 is a dust magnet.

@1.3 & 1.8 - Thank you for correcting these 2 fools. I will only add that sounding like a helicopter in your house is just a little b!tch exaggeration. It is the DVD drive that you hear in the older models but since they have started using the BenQ drives they are very quiet.

[BruceLeroy]

Hey Arbitrator,

Why don't you STFU too. You're just as bad as they are. Give it a rest.

Seriously to all the trolls and fanboys, who the f@%k cares?

[Icecold33]

Oh, BTW while you at it, why don't you go ahead a guzzle down a couple cans of "STFU" also Mr. 3 week old account noob. As if your response added anything to the conversation.

[ARBitrator]

Thanks man, you took the words right off my keyboard. I couldn't have said it better myself...

[lawman1108]

Every 360 now has an HDMI port and because it does not have a HD dvd drive they will be able to drop the price another $100 bucks when GTA4 comes out in the spring, no way can Sony do that with a BR drive.

In fact, PS3 hardware saw a higher percentage increase from the previous week than the Xbox 360 did. However, that percentage was based on a smaller volume of unit sales. In reality, the increase in Xbox 360 sales was nearly identical to the increase in PS3 sales, although Xbox 360 continues to significantly outsell the PS3 in North America. 24-Nov 17-Nov
Wii 421,419 254,044 +66%
DS 684,202 224,540 +205%
PS3 174,045 94,801 +84%
PSP 194,723 88,977 +119%
Xbox 360 254,680 163,759 +56%

[FantasyFreak1]

Soon-ish Final Fantasy XIII will be released for the PS3 and I speak for more than just myself saying that that game alone will boost PS3 sells. Also considering the come-back of the rumble feature. Yay-ness all over.

[LOL PS3 IS JUNK LOL]

Recent studies have shown that black people are not as smart as other races because of flaws in their DNA.

Hydrolex, thanks for reinforcing the study.

[lessthanmarcus]

1. I don't think I'm speaking of earlier versions. My first Xbox broke had to pay $129. And the refurbished one I got back broke too. But hey, no one gets RROD anymore right? That was old Xboxes. I guess those stories of 360 Elites getting RROD were false.
2. Yeah I'm paying for a video game NO SHHIT. But since a blu ray disc costs more than a DVD why is it the same price. Look at the Wii. Games are 49.99.
3. youre right I live in a cardboard box, and I don't have a PC so I wouldn't know. my mac hardly makes any noise (like i said i hate microsoft)
4. I dont open the disc tray. Halo is in there and it never comes out. only game worth playing. and what the hell is up with the disc tray anyway. even the wii has a slot loading drive
5. just an opinion, i pay 50 bucks too and its not worth it. youre paying 50 dollars for P2P. theyre not paying for dedicated servers. it lags a lot too
6. name a game that runs true 1080p resolution. i can't think of one
7. ?
8. I'm very cheap. I have a launch 60gb PS3 that hasn't crapped out on me. I have a premium 360 and a 360 Elite. I also have a Wii. But hey, I've been thinking about getting one those 40giggers though, I need an extra blu ray player. Don't believe me send me a message and I'll send you a pic.
9. don't feel like reading but if you can't afford wifi thats cool and HDDDVD already lost

That's good you have a PS3 though. So when you get RROD you always have something to fall back on. Also, I hear Metal Gear is going to be a pretty cool game. Don't know about Killzone though. I'm waiting for Tekken and Gran Turismo. I can tell you what lies in PS3's future like Home and Little Big Planet. But 360? Gears of War 2? anything else?

one last thing, the reason I have two xboxes is a pretty long story. I thought the elite were not prone to RROD. also i'm not a genius. Just a guy in the usmcr with a degree in web programming. the average guy

[sticky doja]

What is your gamertag? My guess is you won't respond. Want to know why thats my guess? Because as much as you complain about the 360 I know there is no way you own one. People that own 360's don't complain about them for the most part because they are having to much fun playing games.

[ARBitrator]

Let's do this one more time shall we..

"1. I don't think I'm speaking of earlier versions. My first Xbox broke had to pay $129. And the refurbished one I got back broke too. But hey, no one gets RROD anymore right? That was old Xboxes. I guess those stories of 360 Elites getting RROD were false."

Why are you bringing up the same old crap from week to week. M$ refunded or is refunding all RROD cost to 360 owners so why bring up $129.00 if you got reinbursed. I know why you didn't get your money back, because you never owned a 360.

"2. Yeah I'm paying for a video game NO SHHIT. But since a blu ray disc costs more than a DVD why is it the same price. Look at the Wii. Games are 49.99"

Once again, there is a lot of development cost that goes into making gaming software. You are paying for the work of the developers not just the damn DVD. Trust me, if sony could get away with charging 69.99 for games I'm sure they would. But sony's not stupid, PS3 games costing 10 more would be another point for Sony haters to whine about. The nextgen price point is 59.99, wii disk don't cost nearly as much to develop as 360 and ps3. Perhaps that's why they are cheaper.

"3. youre right I live in a cardboard box, and I don't have a PC so I wouldn't know. my mac hardly makes any noise (like i said i hate microsoft)"

You're a MAC user that hates Microsoft, probably simple because windows competes against os X. That explains a lot, it all simply blind hatred. Who needs it? I don't!

"4. I dont open the disc tray. Halo is in there and it never comes out. only game worth playing. and what the hell is up with the disc tray anyway. even the wii has a slot loading drive"

Obviously you halo disk is not scratched (although I don't think you own it, cause you don't own a 360.) Besides, isn't your "Ragedy 360" broken, the way you put it, it's always broken. I'm not mistaking am I it is broken right, cause if not, then why are you on this site B!tching like a little girl.

"5. just an opinion, i pay 50 bucks too and its not worth it. youre paying 50 dollars for P2P. theyre not paying for dedicated servers. it lags a lot too"

This one's easy, I don't believe you are an idiot, however only an idiot would pay 50 bucks for something that they don't think is worth it. IT's as simple as that.

"6. name a game that runs true 1080p resolution. i can't think of one"

Honestly, who cares? but to answer your question, Street Home Court,
Virtual Tennis have be confirmed to be native 1080p. There are 35 other games that are list on the box as 1080p, but may be upscaled. http://www.makeyougohmm.com... additionally, 360 software is selling just fine. I don't care if a game is at 320x200 if it looks great and plays great, and I get the data I need on screen, i'm happy with it. This 1080p crap is being given way too much credit.

"8. I'm very cheap. I have a launch 60gb PS3 that hasn't crapped out on me. I have a premium 360 and a 360 Elite. I also have a Wii. But hey, I've been thinking about getting one those 40giggers though, I need an extra blu ray player. Don't believe me send me a message and I'll send you a pic. "

Don't send a pic, send a gamer tag instead. I don't need pics of you buddie's system.

"9. don't feel like reading but if you can't afford wifi thats cool and HDDDVD already lost "

The circus is down the street on your left.

"That's good you have a PS3 though. So when you get RROD you always have something to fall back on. Also, I hear Metal Gear is going to be a pretty cool game. Don't know about Killzone though. I'm waiting for Tekken and Gran Turismo. I can tell you what lies in PS3's future like Home and Little Big Planet. But 360? Gears of War 2? anything else?

one last thing, the reason I have two xboxes is a pretty long story. I thought the elite were not prone to RROD. also i'm not a genius. Just a guy in the usmcr with a degree in web programming. the average guy "

Haha, one thing I do know about is the military, here's a lesson son. You have a degree in web programming (which are a dime a dozen). Yet you don't have your commission. You are making 1/3 the money you could be making. You're right you ARE NOT A GENIUS!

Lastly I will be enjoying those same PS3 titles "when they come out."
in the meantime, I have uncharted, and many other ps3 and 360 titles. So, unlike you, I living in the now and not the future.

[Kururo]

i dont think its gonna win this console battle. but it does have more games that i enjoy. metal gear was one of my favorite games on ps1 as well as final fantasy 7. if any company wanted my money, you need to have these titles.

[Hydrollex]

I'm not gonna bash Wii but it never wins this gen because of cool controllers. Only Xbox 360 vs PS3 so do you think Xbox 360 wins ? LOL do you have more ? I mean cracks are not good for your health man.

[Saint Sony]

Of course PS3 might win if we WAIT. It is made to last 10 years (lol).
At that time Nintendo and MS has released their next consoles. So Sony can keep selling it's golden oldies and yes maybe some day in future when there is no more Wii nor 360 support PS3 indeed has sold the most.

The question is WHEN should the winner be announced. After 10 years?... or 100?.. or will archeologists judge it in distant future?

[salgoods]

so u should announce a winner after 1 year? makes sense to me...not

[ouengineer]

It's rather simple. You don't base the winner on consoles sold, but the games or accessories sold for your particular console. The attachment rate is what will determine who wins.

Some people may have only purchased a system for primarily watching movies and may occasionally purchase some video games. While on the other hand, you will have your extreme gamers, like those of us here at n4g, that purchase a lot of games.

So whether it's Xbox (360,720), Sony (PS3,PS4) or Nintendo (Wii, Wiiiiii), you can look at trends over a period of time and attachment rate of a system and this will be one of the greater factors in determining which company (not necessarily console) is winning.

[tethered]

I went to Amazon.com and looked for the high end 360:
Xbox 360 Elite System Console Includes 120GB Hard Drive (because the hi end is the one I am looking for.

The 360 Elite is starting at:
available from $749.99
7 used & new available from $749.99
http://www.amazon.com/360-E...

A 80 gig PS3:
Buy new: $499.99 34 Used & new from $480.00
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref...

Is that right? Or did I type in something wrong? Not enough info?
Please tell me because I really want to buy an Elite. Just not at that price.

Is this deal a bundle? It didn't look like it.

So its $250.00 for 40 GB more?? Is that right?
That can't be right!

Whats the difference between the Elite and the next step down?

Edit:
Ok I get disagrees with no response.

I went ahead and looked up the one step down.....

Xbox 360 Pro Value Bundle:
9 used & new available from $348.00........ Ok thats better but what is the hard drive?

20GB detachable hard drive..........

OK, so I can get a 20 GB hard drive 360, new for $380?
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-...

A new new 80 GB hard drive PS3 is $499?

I might as well save up and get the 80 GB PS3 because the 360 is a year older. More to come to the PS3 before its life span.

[gamesR4fun]

the math says buy a ps3 ;)

[tethered]

@gamesR4fun

Yes, well I see that. The fact is I want a 360 for the exclusives it has. I just don't want to spend that much at the moment.
With all the games coming out for the PS3, its hard to justify it at that price. Plus I still don't know if the hardware problems are taken care of with the 360. I have never seen proof one way or the other.

Maybe I will get an 80 GB PS3 as a dedicated Blu-ray player for the family room before I get the 360. I have a 60 GB already. I just finished Uncharted. What a great game! I will start Assassins tomorrow.

[joydestroy]

dude, are you being sarcastic or something?

a 360 Elite is 449.99 at best buy, that's also where you should be buying it, or a PS3 for that matter, from. i believe the Elite also comes with Ultimate Alliance and Forza Motorsport 2 at no additional costs.

a PS3 from best buy can cost you anywhere from 399.99-549.97, the latter coming with Guitar Hero 3, a guitar, and 2 wireless controllers. the cheaper one comes with the blu-ray movie Spider-man 3.
seriously though, where have you been? you should search around the site before asking silly questions.

here are links for your reference...also if you get it from any retail dealer, make sure to get some type of "product replacement plan", especially for the 360. that way if it dies within 2 years you can take it back and walk out the store with a brand new one hassle free.

Xbox 360 systems
http://www.bestbuy.com/site...

PS3 systems
http://www.bestbuy.com/site...

now that i look, i find it funny that a lot of the Xbox 360 bundles are sold the fvck out. you might have to wait a little bit if you choose that one.

[tethered]

@ joydestroy

Thanks man.
I thought Amazon was crazy.

$449 for an Elite? I'm sold! Might have to wait to get one if supply's are low.

I have a question for you.
I will be getting Gears.
Maybe a few others.

I love:
GTA (my fav), Resident Evil Silent Hill, any other 3rd person shooters.
GT and many other racing games.

What should I look for on the 360?

Just so you know, I'm not blowing smoke out my a$$.
Heres the proof:

[A_Gamer]

lots of sense

[PS3PCFTW]

if youre buying a 360 U MUST buy it from best buy, or costco. in this case when the 360 rrods on you u can easily replace it. By all means, try to buy it from costco since their return policies are much better and/or flexible.

the 360 is a reliable console, im writing this comment on it right n

Edit: yeah , sorry about that. i was writing that comment and my friends 360 died on him. I am writing on my ps3 now......never any problems. EVER.

[Witty Comment]

sells refurbished core systems for (I think) 199.99; you can add a detachable hard-drive for 90 dollars. You could probably get one cheaper elsewhere if you looked (maybe eBay?).

And, for the record, nobody likes it when people flash their cash in real life; it's horribly tacky and only proves the point that money can't buy manners. To do it on the internet and waste time taking, uploading, and hosting photos is a whole new level of douchebaggery.

[tethered]

@ (Not so) Witty Comment

Why would I want to buy a refurbished 360?

Oh and by the way....
douchebaggery?
Thats not even a word.

Get over it.

Edit:
@ cleverjaja
I already have a 60 GB PS3.
Bought it last December.

[Lord_Mike]

Get a PS3, no thinking involved. Plus you get Blu-Ray built in, rechargable controllers and a high-end DVD upscaler.

[athlon770]

That is just too funny, I was laughing when I read your post. Too cool my friend, too cool!

[DraconWolfX]

So you're saying I should buy a PS3 even if I don't like the games? What if I want to play Gears of War, Halo 3, Dead Rising, or Orange Box tomorrow, I should still get a PS3 because of Blu-Ray and rechargeable controllers?

Those are NOT reasons to buy a console and you know it.

[ARBitrator]

Currently the 360 Elite is out of stock at Amazon.com. The price you see are prices made by independent retailers. They folks are hoping to find some desperate person looking for one so they can gouge to for their money. Either go to bestbuy, circuit city, or somewhere that has them in stock and you'll find the correct price 449.00.

And that's real talk.

[tethered]

@ ARBitrator

Best buy it is.
Thanks!

[xionpunk]

Just wondering, but why would you buy an 80 gb ps3 if you already have a 60 gb?

[tethered]

@ xionpunk

To have a dedicated Blu-ray player in the family room.
Decided against that though.
Going with the 360 in my game room instead.

Might still pick up a 40 GB for that purpose later on.

[Fighter]

Burnout Paradise for the PS3 confirmed as the better version. I can breathe easy now.

[kingofps3]

Whats a Xbot, Greg Miller, doing talking about the PS3? Oh! Wait, IGN made him a PlayStation editor there. No wonder the game ratings on the PS3 there suck.

[Prismo_Fillusion]

Agree if you support the PS3.
Disagree if you support the 360.

(has nothing to do with my own opinions)

If you support both or neither, just step back slowly - the fanboys on this site will mob you either way.

[joydestroy]

whatever, i support both. fvck the fanboys. they can kiss my arse. i'm the one enjoying what each has to offer, not them.

[PimpHandHappy]

and all you so called gamers should understand this but your so brainwashed u dont get it

if the PS3 ends with 60mil and the 360 ends with 66mil

is that a vicotry to you fools!!!!

The victory is in the games. Getting to see MGS GT5 Socom GOW and the many many other games that have been all-time sellers on a nextgen system is all this is about.

Getting to see Gears of War part 2 and part 3 is a victory

We will be playing awesome games for many many years to come and i know Sony will be there just like Nintendo and MS.

[Kaneda]

Winning will give you more 3rd parties support... More games...

Remember 3DO? It didn't win...

[macsto]

I stopped reading after Shane Battenhausen .

[spiderfish]

Is that because he's the only 1UP journalist that believes the PS3 is actually a good console?

[wil4hire]

Anyone else care what he thinks? I've been gaming longer than that kids been pretending to hook up with girls on the weekend.

Only to masturbate alone.

[joydestroy]

haha

[Mc187]

ROFLMAO

[remix]

but yea everybody knows. i dont think people realize that the 360 and ps3 are ALMOST even in global sales this month. the 360 might have sold maybe 100,000 more though.

the ps3 is kickin ass in europe and japan, all it needs is america.

once that happens, it will be outselling the 360 by more then 500,000 units a month. and i bet that sony will cut the price to 299.99 this march.

people its common sense. even if the ps3 only outsold the 360 by 10,000 a week in each country, thats 180,000 a month and 180,000 a month would mean by november, the ps3 will have closed the gap by almsot 2 million.
but most of the time when a console outsells another, its usually by about 30,000 so that means that if the ps3 gets america, the ps3 will outsell the 360 by over 300,000 a month and im not even including the bumbs it will get from mgs4,socom,killzone2,LITTLEBIG PLANET. its common fuc*in sense. but again, good lookin out HYDROLEX. BUBBLES FOR YOU. ps3 is the lead platform for burnout and alot of people knew it was better on the ps3

[greenenvy]

seriously, hes an idiot.

next year is splinter cell 5, halo wars, warhound and the like and 360 is only gaining ground back now in europe with the forza bundles all selling out and more..........

its too early to call the race and that's the way it is......i don't think there will be any "clear" winner but I think each will take a territory...

and MS is going to gain some real ground in japan now especially going into next-gen.....their YTD sales are at 200,000 and that's about 500,000 consoles overall in japan with more shipping....so they killed the original xbox sales....and they'll have quite a foothold ( a larger foothold) going into any future war....

we shall see and btw, shane is not too hot he often gets his sports figures mixed up let alone his prediction s..... :-(

>:D

[Ghoul]

sorry but that aint true,

xbox 360 has horrible sales in europe and even worse in japan still and loosing ground every week. The ps3 instead is gaining momentum as we speak and will definatly be the main platform (ps3/360) next year. And that is no prediction its a fakt. stop thinking the us would decide this console or format war. its the european union and japan and we all are pro ps3 and blu-ray . And sayint the xbox360 is doing well in japan is a joke mate the xbox 1 was more than horrible in sales and the 360 selling more is no archievement at all its just less horrible tending into the very very bad sellings region.

[FirstknighT]

The 360 has been pretty equal in european sales with the ps3 this year... with the 360 winning a few months here and there. NA is 360 land. Japan is the only soft spot but no biggie.

[Ghoul]

that is true mate,

except its 360's second year and had an advance of 200 bucks less

[greenenvy]

the truth is the xbox360 hasn't even got started in europe, because most places have it sold out (forza/ or half life bundle) and assassins creed is still eating up the charts....

its not fair to the 360 boys to be declaring the ps3 overpowering it, when the 360 is far harder to find, sold out, and even $800 in some freakin' places.....

lol sushix, firstknight is right on you need to wake the f*** up because warhound, splinter cell 5 and those titles like halo wars will be huge in europe....

and to top it all off, the xbox 360 saints row 2 and grand theft auto 4 with exclusive levels.......these are going to be the games of europe by FAR, in fact ubisoft games rarely ever leave the charts......even over a month later

also, what u neglect to see mate is that despite these setbacks for the 360 its on a warpath in europe and thats where the war is going to end because europe is the lynch piece.... their priority is there

so you can never expect any backing off in europe...

japan will stay japan but u know what?? its false thats its losing ground my man, its selling very well for having the games it has at the time and JRPGs too...

7000 to 10,000 a week is not losing ground, and it only increases depending on whatever the big game release is.

you see, if xbox itself had done this to begin with? and started releasing a big game every week, it would be where its at now or far surpassed it......it was the failure to secure those games which took xbox to where it was in japan

nothing else sushi, so dont be fool or racis.......this is like firstknight said, a REAL match now and those sales are nothing to laugh at...
>D
to even push 360 in japan aside is like pushing ps3 in america aside.....it didn't have to do blockbuster sales to smash the ps3, it just released one or two games in japan and instantly beat the ps3 & one of them was merely ace combat...

so it has the endurance and this is going to be coming down to the continent of europe, u'd have another thing coming otherwise.....

[jeanm3306]

just because a console is sold out doesn't mean it's doing good. Sony just happen to make more console then any company out their. The fact that sony has more console being produce is a good thing. while xbox 360 is sold out, sony can gain ground on them. That's why sony will keep the lead if microsoft or nintendo doesn't ramp up production.

[greenenvy]

they can barely manufacture enough 360s in europe to keep up with the spring and summer sale demands......

when they start concentrating specifically on europe, and that's where its heading expect them to ramp up production in large quantities....

especially for the release of grand theft auto 4 and the likes of battlefield: combat 3 from electronic arts...

oh and nintendo will be shipping millions of wiis, long before the millions of needed xbox360's are officially distributed to europe.....

Xtival 2007 was a hit.....

[pacman615]

Sony to regain the top spot in 08'

[HarryEtTubMan]

I don't know about in o8 but it will easily in the next 8 years or so after that... probally 09 or 2010... I think its quite funny actually... Xbox 180 just released Halo 3(OMG the biggest game they will ever release) and are already being beaten by the PS3 TH NEXT MONTH..... OOOOUUUCCCCHHHHH!!! Bet u Microbcuks didn't see that one coming!!! Imagine when they actually release MGS4, Gran Turismo 5, LBP, Killzone 2,WKS, GTA4, Socom, Syphon Filter, Final Fantasy 13,Resistance 2, Haze, UT3, Far Cry 2,Metal Gear Online, MotorStorm 2, Warhawk 2. PLaystation HOME,the Getaway Infamous,And about 50 other games.... we are talking about a worldwide massacre. And I'm gonna laugh so hard because it really is coming.

[AngelOFDeath]

how did he even get his job!?

[BlazinEurasian]

I thought the interview proved that buffering wins the console war. It took forever to load.

[Neurotoxin]

Tell you what has struck back, the curry i had last night.

[wangdiddy82]

these guys are retards.. The only place sony is losing in is The USA and there gaining closer and closer to the 360 every week now in the US.. Also the last couple of multi plat games have been exactly the same on the both systems or even a slight better on the ps3.. Only EA does crap ports..

The story should be will the 360 have any chance against the ps3 in 2008?

[Thugbot187]

The Christmas season is just begining NPD numbers aren't in for the month of NOV and we haven't even got to DEC. It's way too early to be declaring a rise of the PS3 we not even sure what they really sold. Its one thing if the PS3 is selling 3x the 360 this holiday season its another if they are out sold again.

[DJ]

Achievements on the PS3 aren't going to suddenly convince EA to invest more money on the platform. They just suffered their biggest losses last quarter because their titles simply aren't very good, and are often times pretty bad. With game prices as high as they are, consumers usually won't settle for crap, and EA is either going to pull out and make fewer titles, or finally learn that having a 50% employee turnover rate isn't helping their titles and they need to rectify that.

Multiplatform titles are Finally getting done well on the PS3, and a few even perform better on Sony's system (Call of Duty 4, Burnout Paradise, and some older ones like Fight Night and Oblivion). Sony's got the right price point and a steady stream of great titles coming out every month; they've been working hard to support third-party devs moreso than any point in Playstation's history, and it's definitely paying off.

[lessthanmarcus]

lowering the price of development, like they did, doesn't hurt either

[mighty_douche]

f*ck everyone else's "opinions", buy it, play games on it, and dont moan about the other companies offerings....

if you want ALL the games then you have to be willing to have ALL the consoles.

[ravinash]

You are the MAN!

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Last generation I had all of the consoles, this generation I'll have all consoles to maybe.

[rukusa]

The way I see it, the PS3 hasnt struck back just yet, but its on the right way to doing so. Before, the majority of the gaming community were looking down on the PS3 and Sony's way of handling the product, but during this year the atmosphere has changed attitude, and people are observing Sony again. The PS3 has become a desirable choice again, which is a HUGE change looking back at the start of the year.

[aba]

looks like a lesbian.

[dfarbs]

No way PS3 isn't making a huge comeback with the 2008 lineup of games it has. I have both systems and to this point 360 has better games, but with R&C and Uncharted turning the corner and 2008's games it's a great time to have a PS3.

[The_Engineer]

"PS3 is kicking 360's ass all over Europe and Japan"

can you xbots STFU about global sales now??

[ravinash]

If there isn't an American military base on it, then it don't exist.

[PS3PCFTW]

HShaa..

bubbles+

[CrazzyMan]

There no BIG BRAND NAME AAA tittles have been released YET.

If you now think that PS3 Struck Back, than what will be in 2008?

Sorry for LIST..

PlayStation 3 Blu-Ray Games

Afrika - Rhino Studios
The Agency - Sony Online Entertainment
Big Time Revenge - Anygame Company
Bipedal Movement Simulation - Artdink
Brave Arms - Cellius
Buzz Quiz TV - Relentless Software
Chain Limit - Cellius
Coded Arms Assault - Konami
Digimon World Online - Namco Bandai
Disgaea 3 - Nippon Ichi
DC Universe - Sony Online Entertainment
Driver - Reflections Interactive
Eight Days - Sony Computer Entertainment London
Hot Shots Golf 5 - Clap Hanz/Sony Computer Entertainment International
Eyedentify - Sony Computer Entertainment Japan
Final Fantasy XIII - Square Enix (Maybe 2009)
Free Realms - Sony Online Entertainment
The Getaway 3 - Sony Computer Entertainment London
God of War 3 - Sony Computer Entertainment Santa Monica Studio (Maybe 2009)
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - Polyphony Digital Entertainment (Maybe 2007)
Gran Turismo 5 - Polyphony Digital Entertainment
Haze - Free Radical Design (Maybe 07, hasn't been delayed... yet)
Heavy Rain - Quantic Dream
Infamous - Sucker Punch Studios
Killzone 2 - Guerilla Games
LittleBigPlanet - Media Molecule
Metal Gear Online - Kojima Productions
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots - Kojima Productions
MotorStorm 2 - Evolution studio
Naruto: PS3 project - CyberConnect2
Resistance: Fall of Man 2 - Insomniac
Singstar - Sony Computer Entertainment London
Socom: Confrontation - Slant Six Games
Tekken 6 - Namco Bandai
Valkyrie The Battlefield - Sega
Wardevil (Maybe 09) - Digi-Guys
White Knight Story - Level 5
Yakuza 3 - Sega

PlayStation Network Titles:

Echochrome
Wipeout HD
Dark Mist
More Eyetoy Games

Multiplatform Games with XBOX 360:

Ace Combat 6
Beautiful Katamari
Devil may Cry 4
Dynasty Warriors 6
Eternal Sonata
Grand Theft Auto 4
Silent Hill V
The Last Remnant

Now THAT what i call STRIKE BACK! =))

[lodossrage]

You forgot final fantasy 13 versus to that already awesome list

[Kaneda]

Is that for PS3 too? I thought it was exclusive to 360...

[CrazzyMan]

FFXIII versus only in 2009.
AC6 - only rumor, but one of main PS tittle definetely will come to ps3. =)

p.s. and just to think, that in 1st year ps3 had only these ~descent exclsuive games:

1) Uncharted
2) Warhawk
3) Heavenly Sword
4) Resistance
5) Folklore
6) Ratchet
7) MotorStorm
8) RR7
9) Lair
10) NGS

+T5:DR, Calling All Cars, Everyday Shooter, yada yada.

This, compare to 2008, is just a minimum.. =)
2008 is where everything begins. =))
Go, go PS3!

EDIT: lol, 1 xbot here. =))

[DG]

I would like to thank all the PS3 trolls for convincing me not to buy a PS3 this year. THANKS!!!!

[name]

This is coming from G4? This can't be real.

[Bolts]

Q4 2007 is nothing more than a playful jab, 2008 is when the body blows will thrown in followed by a full out brawl. As the price of system continue to drop the Xbox will be the one fighting for it's life. I still predict a tie though and we'll all be better for it. As soon as one these giants kill the other one off thats when the gamers get screwed.

[LiquifiedArt]

Would anyone ever support micro-pickyourpockets-soft in a game console race?? still boggles me.

[Maddens Raiders]

needs their heads checked. I can't believe they said anything positive about the PS3. Cold in Hell?

[Maddens Raiders]

need to be said? PS3 needs competition to stay the proper course, but the world needs PS3 on top in order for games to properly advance. Deep in your hearts, I think most of us recognize this as truth.

My observation.

[bluecapone]

the price drop was needed plus with the great games out now with more coming yes the ps3 has struck back

[Xbox is the BEST]

thougth competition didn't matter to Sony.

[MANTIIS]

Why I'll be...for an EGM dude, that Shane Battenhause was pretty fiery in his defense of the PS3. And I thought all things EGM were Xbot. I stand corrected (that makes one of them who isn't biased).

[Danja]

EGM is all xbots...but everyone knows thats Shane is the biggest Sony Supporter..!!..

I think Shane should be the Head of IGN's playstation team and that retarded Xbot Greg Miller should work over at EGM..!!

[razer]

has always done nothing but ride Sony's jock.. Why do you think his voice sounds so funny? He has Kaz's tool permanently stuck in his mouth.

It's the PS3 fanturds who make up this crap about biased in order to justify the failings of the games/system.. It's proof because as soon as one of them says something positive about the games/systems suddenly they aren't biased anymore..

[AnalFace]

no

[TheExecutive]

there is no way EVER the 360 was going to win this generation (console sales). Everyone thought second place for sure, but the Wii surprised everyone, including me. Anyway, you cant take first place when you only have a loyal fanbase on one continent and a country, its just not possible.

[razer]

The 360 is getting it's ass kicked in Japan. The 360 is doing great in EU and NA. Let me know when the PS3 get's at least within 4 million, because right now there is an 8mil gap that isn't getting smaller.

[Buubar]

Go PS3 go! :)

[SSCOOLCHEA]

that the 360 fanboy is happy that MS is ditching them again to build another console within the next coupled of years. You my friend is an idiot.

[Death]

As long as there is demand, the 360 isn't going anywhere. With the original Xbox, Microsoft wasn't prepared when they made their contracts with various vendors. They were unable to lower production costs as the retail price came down which resulted in sustained losses over the lifetime of the console. Demand wasn't exactly high which made it difficult to justify those losses. The 360 will not have these issues so it's product lifecycle will correspond with demand without the risk of a loss in profit.

We are on the third Holiday season for Xbox 360 and it is still competing quite well in the console market. The life expectancy for the 360 will be longer than that of the Xbox. A new system most likely won't be announced for a couple more years unless demand starts to fall rapidly.

Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are already working on their next consoles. This happens every lifecycle, work on the new console starts once the current console launches. This is typical business practices, but they don't finalize any specification untill the design stage is near it's end. This allows developers time tpo prepare for launch.

-Death

[razer]

Are you just making up stories now? Where the hell do you get that the 360 is being ditched?? Go outside and get some fresh air.

[LLSMOOTH]

People are jumping to buy a PS3 now because the price has gone down. No big game is pushing the system. Please dont talk about Ratchet and Clank and Unchartered. These games have not sold well.

Wii is still the hottest thing out there. Call it last gen or whatever you want, but it is still on top right now.

Listen up "so called hardcore gamers"... your oppinions dont matter that much anymore. Gaming does not belong to you. A new day has come where gaming has opened up. Sorry.. deal with it.

[Wiitard]

Hardcore gamers like to think they are this elite group. They aren't. Sorry but there are way more casual gamers (like me) who spend our dollars sparingly and completely offset the cost of any hardcore gamers who have to own everygame. I Gamefly most of anythng I play anyways.

I traded in my 360 for Wii last year and have not looked back. Eventually I will own all three systems but right now for how much I play, I am completely content with the Wii and its offerings. Apparently most of the rest of the world is also.

[Wiitard]

Last time I checked, Sony still makes money hand over fist while idiots sit around arguing about who is winning a made up, stupid console war. None of the three systems will legitimately "fail." It will only fail to people who have no legitimate stake in it. Play good games. Who cares who makes them or for what sytem they are on. This whole thing is stupid and has gone on with too many consoles for too long.

[Death]

If you like GT, pick up Forza 2 if you don't get a Holiday Bundle that includes it. Project Gotham is also an outstanding franchise that you should enjoy.

Gears is fantastic and so is Halo3. I've been playing Halo3 since it launched and am still having a blast. If you are into fps and haven't picked up Call of Duty, they are all great games. Orange Box is deffinately a hit also.

Saints Row can be had cheap and is a nice stop gap while we all wait for GTA. :)

-Death

[SSCOOLCHEA]

i just hope thay support the ps3 for 10 years and on just like the way there doing the ps2 now. That was my point. Its like saying we lost so we have to get one out right now.

[Bleucrunch]

The Xbox has a one year head start and the ps3 had better games in its first year.

[razer]

CoD2, GRAW, Gears of War, Dead Rising, Lost Planet were just a few first year 360 titles.. I will agree that they've both had good first years but the PS3 did not have better.

[SIX]

Unfotunately, it's fighting the 1 year head start momentum of the 360. I expect the PS3 will only start matching the 360 here in the states sales wise when KZ2 and MGS hits.

[Leg-End]

The mass public don't know about in-game messaging. They don't know what "XMB overlay" means and they certainly dont have a clue about the main differences between xbl and psn - except for the fact that psn is FREE.
The mainstreem look out for games - sony make lots of games.

[INehalemEXI]

Sony has the advantage now , theres a reason MS wanted a head start. The 08 line up is just a tip of one of many iceburg's.

[skylar2000]

I guess Americans are just smarter than most of the world. Getting a 360 is a no brainer and everyone here should know that. The PS3 power is just the same as the 360 but with distraction like blu ray and games like lair that make it suck. Not only is the price too high, your not getting smack from it. Free psn = low quality bandwidth. Live = the best network ever. Jump in and Play Beyond the PS3. Peace

[Mc187]

The award for dumbest comment ever.

[Lord_Mike]

WOW....

[AlphaNerd]

I’m always curious why we gamers give a darn about the sales of a system? Or a game? Is it a lesser person’s need to belong to a winning team? Or to justify your purchase? I own all 3 home consoles, love them for what they all offer me as a gamer… and that’s about it. If Colgate is my favorite brand of toothpaste, I don’t check the AP releases like a zealot to discover if Colgate Whitening Formula is the biggest and best seller on the market. I brush my teeth, smile with a glow, and that’s about it. Job done.

However, if you live or die according to the numbers, all console sales are a sad chase after the DS brass ring. Gee, I wonder if it being affordable or fun has any connection to it’s success?

[Wiitard]

It is this whole need to be a part of a winning team BS. I have owned the 360 (not anymore) and currently only own a Wii. I can't wait for the day when I have all three and have the time to play the games i enjoy on all systems (including my PC). I play games and series that I like. I don't care what billionaires win some stupid madeup console war.

[Si-Pie]

Well I see a few people have got their hand bags out again arguing over which console is best. The way I see it all the consoles have great things to offer and all have their strengths. As for all these people who moan about xbox live charging £39.99 a year. Well so what its peanuts to me so I pay it as you do get a quality service. Yes would be nice to have it free but really 39.99 a year wow that sure breaks the bank haha. Anyway I do believe the PS3 is getting better and better and think we will see some fantastic games in 08 e.g little big planet, MGS etc. I will wait for these to come out and then will pick up a PS3 so I will have the best of all the consoles as I have a 360 and wii already.

[bluhefner]

but am i the only one who cant stand Kevin Pereira?

[Wii60_FTW]

I like their new subliminal 666 logo.

[Astro]

Poor PS3, is doomed. With 0 AAA games, this console doesn't have anything to do this holiday.

[The Milkman]

PS3 realy isnt my kind of gaming console that Im looking for right now. Because of the fact that I will not play many games on it when I buy it at the moment. Also simple things can be very important in a console such as private chat in single player because of the two following examples:

-When chatting with friends online while playing a single player game you can get help through parts that you cant get past, with the help of a friend. While still having the enjoyment of chatting with a friend at the same time.

-It actually effect the sells of some games. Dont believe me? When playing a game and chatting to a friend at the same time you begin to talk about how awesome it is. Even though the game may have gotten a low rating you may like the game. And your friend hearing your excitement in the game may give them the urge to go get it for themselfs also. I had this happen to many of my friends when private chatting and playing a game.

But the main reason I want the PS3 now as an Xbox 360 owner is because of two more little reasons.

-The look of the PS3 is very provoking, I just love the sleek new look to it. I just wanted it to gaze at it in my room with all its power setting inside waiting to come out.

-Although I wouldnt play games for it often because being an online gamer. Theres just not enough satification in the online service as much as Live besides the fact that it is free. I would like to own one to be able to play BR movies and have a gaming console on the side. I probably wouldnt use it much until the release of HOME so that there would be way more interactivity with the online community.

[fredy]

that have not sold much software is striking back....

software sales are really really poor, this is what developers look at.

you could have 50 million ps3 users and if a developer makes a game that sells a million or less that is a bad ratio.

the GIMPED ps3 price cut is selling ps3s tho, but its not killa titles thats selling consoles.

[ScorpioKyle]

i think after the holidays there will be a backlash at sony. You have people buying the 399 system as an xmas gift. Most retailers have employees that know nothing. When I get people coming in to buy the system, I let them know the full difference between the 399 and 499 model and they are shocked that the 399 will not play any older games. i'd love to know how many people will be shocked by that come the 25th

[SSCOOLCHEA]

xbox is 1080 p . they dont know jack shiiiiii.
not even hd-dvd is 1080 p
know your facts

[SSCOOLCHEA]

are you serious ? if you come on this message board saying you have a 360 and a ps3 and the ps3 is crap. please dont lie to yourself . your only looking like a fool . there is 80 million ps2 owners that are in the waiting . you think im lying. wouldnt you think they would have already bought 40 million xbot 360 by now. if they thought the playstation brand is crap. what are they waiting for halo 4 . be serious and yes this is coming from a SONY FANBOY...GO PS3 GO PS3

[jazzmanb]

sony skimping on the tech[ps3 in reality is only 3/4 the power of the 360]this is the truth no ifs ans or buts..just accept the fact that the ps3 was sonys way of winning the format war,not winning graphic wars...and it might pay off...if it wasnt for ps3 owners no one would buy blue ray,and all the major companies would have been exclusive to hddvd by now..hddvd is just as good,some say better than blue ray..its far cheaper to make,roughly half the cost of blue ray,and the quality is just as good..in fact hddvd has better sound to boot...if sony wins the format war its because the ps3 was essentially a blue ray player disguised as a top tier gaming machine..the truth to the matter is the ps3 is as inferior to the 360 in power as the ps2 was to the original xbox..THIS IS FACT,do not comment back debating anything i said..

[Mc187]

all i heard was the sound of you trying to suck off microsoft.

[greenenvy]

agreed.......the ps3 is a far inferior console to the xbox360 ...

360 has sold out of most stores and most of its games in europe, and they haven't even begun to ramp up production over there in order to meet the increasing demand....

they will do shipping over there only when the RROD is fixed, that comes when the Falcon 2 board releases in 2008....then the halo 3 and half-life SKUs will be tossed out...

in preparation for perfect dark 2, a game that someone like rare will only release when its perfect....

in 2008, the 360 gets more system sellers than it had in 2007....

if you believed for a second that ninja gaiden 2, project offset, warhound, call of duty 5, halo wars, splinter cell 5 or saints row 2 weren't going to be 360 system sellers........you got another coming...

some of these games, especially the new codemasters action FPS game will sell like mad in the UK, france, germany, and of course in finland.....

some of these games even will end up breakout system sellers, that you've never heard of like the too human, sacred 2 franchise....

are u telling me silicon knights can't make incredible games?!?! you must have not gotten the memo, and are in for a rude awakening....

xbox360 is just getting *WARMED UP* in europe, and fable 2 drops next year in europe as well along with lost odyssey and quite a few others....

the only reason the ps3 will not be literally killed next year, is because of metal gear solid 4 and white knight story.....

killzone 2 will utterly flop....

even the worst of fanboys can see this, it won't sell close to the sales of WARHOUND and the new crysis game....

also, splinter cell 5 is going to murder metal gear in large quantities of dripping humiliation all over the united kingdom.....

people u know what they say about assumptions, they make an ass out of you and me
>:-D

and i really can't believe people have not even mentioned......dark messiah: elements early next year in europe, holy **** from ubisoft france....

an RPG over 46 hours long with a huge range of features....people who didn't see this one coming are blind. dark messiah will sell out......

[DFresh]

I got to point out that Sony is a more reliable company than MS.
Even if the 360 plays in 1080p most of their games aren't 1080p so far I've only seen one game that plays in 1080p on the 360 and that's Project Offset and it doesn't come out until next year.
If you want 1080p now buy yourself a PS3 and save yourself the time.
If you ask me I think MS is struggling from the very beginning so far 3 models have been made of the same 360 design.
In the format war Blu-ray still continues to kill HD DVD in movies.
ex.
U.S(2:1)
Canada (2:1)
Japan (9:1)
Australia (3:1)
Europe (4:1)
etc.
not to mention support
Blu-ray allies:
1. Disney
2. Pixar
3. Lucas Arts
4. THX
5. FOX
6. 20th Century
7. Columbia Pictures
etc.
Games are also starting to look better off of the PS3 now.
1. Call of Duty 4 (10/10)
2. Assassins Creed (10/10)
3. Burn Out Paradise
4. Virtua Fighter 5
5. Soul Caliber 4= more advertising for Sony than MS
etc.
Sony is just beginning to warm up just wait and see

[scrillakiller]

go eat a pick u noob.3/4 the power.yeah ok.8 days kz2 mgs4 hs uncahrted ratchet and clank.u sound so stupid 3/4 the power.thats funny.go ay ur onlie subscript.360 is nice but ps3 is better.

also u are right the ps3 is a bluray player ratchet and clank,spidermantrilogy,rfom,di ehardtrilogy,uncharted,fantast i cfour1n2,heavenlysword,ratatou l legameandmovie,ut3,terminatora l l3,warhawk all available exclusivly on bluray!!!!!!!!so when u say its a bluray player i agree 100 percent with u u idiot xbots

[Xbox is the BEST]

when the Saturn lauched with all the hype then when the PS#1 launched (one of the greatest systems ever) with no hype, the PS#1 blew away the Saturn graphically. And all the claims that Sega made that their system is more powerful. It took a year for people to realise that Sega was just hyping sh!t up. And we all know what happened to the Saturn. PS#3 I'm looking at you.

[Figboy]

what this "360 has better games" sentiment is. can someone help me out here?

Lost Planet - mediocre shooter, now coming to the PS3 (um, hooray?)

Crackdown - i beat it. fun, but not a system seller. not much to really do and i completed the main game in less than 10 hours. kind of inexcusable for a sandbox game if you ask me. i've sunk at least 30 hours into GTAIV and *STILL haven't beaten it yet. also, a shooter.

Dead Rising - mediocre action game, but fun for an early "next gen" game. it's a transition game. something to play while you wait for the "real" titles to come out. no one would buy this game now, given the selection of titles out there now(unless it's retailing for $20 or less). without major changes to the gameplay, this series doesn't really have staying power like the title below.

Gears of War - first AAA title on the 360; released a year after launch. once again, a shooter.

Halo 3 - released nearly *TWO years after launch, second AAA title for the 360. you guessed it, a shooter. visuals aren't as impressive as they *SHOULD have been considering it's release date and development time, and the game felt like more of the same, but in HD. not a disappointment to Halo fans, but it's not going to convince anyone why the 360 is the "shiznit."

Forza 2 - Racing game. no complaints here, really. graphics are quality, i suppose. i'm not a racing fan, so i don't have a lot of opinions here.

PGR - also a racer. if you own a 360 and are a racing fan, Forza and PGR are the way to go.

Ace Combat 6 - Ace Combat games are good. not too sure about this one, as i've yet to play it, but i've seen my roommate play a little of the demo. looks good enough.

Bioshock - another AAA title. not very long, but is immersive. also a shooter. great visuals and atmosphere. i still consider it the best exclusive on the 360 right now.

Mass Effect - another AAA title, though i'm *REALLY disappointed with it. the framerate is sporadic, texture pop-in is at ridiculous levels, and the load times are distracting. oddly enough, it's a shooter also. a shooter with RPG wrappings. the story is great, and the world is definitely well thought out and fascinating, but i couldn't help but notice that you do more *TALKING and running around corridors than, i dunno, *PLAYING the game. and that hurts me to say, as Bioware is one of the best development houses out there, and generally everything they touch turns to gold, but i think there's a problem, when the first time i played the game, it was for 20 minutes, and 15 of those 20 were spent watching cutscenes, and 5 were spent actually roaming around and shooting stuff.

and well, those are the only 360 games people seem to babble on about endlessly when touting it's superiority over other consoles. 10 high profile games, 6 of which are shooters, 2 racers, and one action game. god forbid if you aren't a big shooter fan, right? i'm not saying the shooters are *BAD, far from it (most of them i really like, especially Bioshock), but if you aren't a fan of them, there really isn't much else to choose from for the 360 barring more "transition games," or experiments like Viva Pinata. the plus side is that a lot of the games are new IPs (Bioshock, Mass Effect), so i expect good things from later editions.

now onto the Playstation 3's year one offerings:

Resistance: Fall of Man - i consider this game to be AAA, considering it's launch title status, excellent single player and online gaming, and engaging story and characters. a lot of folks disagree, but outside of the visuals being a bit dated, the game has all the addicting, fun trappings of a AAA game. 40 players simultaneous online, damn near lag free isn't anything to scoff at. shooter.

Motorstorm - another game that could be considered AAA. it does for offroad racing what Burnout did for, hell, i don't know, crashing cars. Motorstorm is beautiful (in that early next gen sort of way), the races are fun. online is solid, crashes are spectacular, and there's quite a bit of downloadable content already available for people that have gotten the game and played it to death. racer.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma - the first true action game for the PS3. not really AAA, as it's the third release of the game, but i think it's the definitive take on the first NG game, as it contains everything that the original and Black contained, and has some nice downloadable content as well. the game also runs at 60fps/1080p, which isn't too shabby. the game was great on the X Box, so there's no reason why it wouldn't be great on the PS3.

Warhawk - hands down one of the best online games out there right now. 32 player dogfights have to be experienced to be appreciated, and foot combat is just as fun. the motion controls for the ship are done excellently, and even better, you can *TURN IT OFF if it's not your thing (i play with it off, as i prefer analog sticks). as far as an online only game, this is a AAA outting, but i wished there was a single player mode, if only to hone my skills. i don't like online gaming, but this game convinced me otherwise. that's no small feat. online shooter

Heavenly Sword - the first real AAA action game on the PS3, it has elements of God of War, but mixes it up with stance-based fighting that is more strategy than it seems on the outset, and absolutely stellar facial and motion capture animation. this game elevates cinematic presentation to new heights, and is only eclipsed by Uncharted, which i'll get into later. the only real downside to Heavenly Sword is that it's really short (i beat it in about 8 hours, but spent an additional 5 or so unlocking everything). of course i'd rather have a short, sweet game, than a long, crappy one. of course a long, sweet game is ideal, but hey, this is the first in the series.

Folklore - people may not appreciate Folklore at first, mainly because it was made by the folks that did the abysmal Genji 2 for the PS3 launch, but their second Playstation 3 title is infinitely more engaging, addicting, and polished. the art and music design in this game is superb, with an excellent mix of Japanese and European themes, with the European theme being the most prominant (the game *IS set in Ireland, after all). the gameplay is addicting, as capturing the various Folk souls has that "gotta catch'em all" feel that i'm sure is why people are addicted to Pokemon. the ending is a bit weird and the only downside to an otherwise quality game. action/rpg.

Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction - the second Playstation 3 game from the folks that brought us Resistance: Fall of Man, and, i believe, the 5th game in the Ratchet and Clank series. i wasn't a big R&C fan on the PS2 (i only played the first one, but i never beat it. it was cool though), but with this versions "close to a CG cartoon" graphics, great sense of humor, and frenetic gameplay, i'm a fan now. it's one of my favorite PS3 games at the moment, and i've already invested quite a few hours of gameplay, and have been to, at least, 10 different planets. the game is also a great mix between platforming and shooting, and there's a lot of variety, so you're almost always doing something new in each world, and between each world. the space flight segments are also retina searingly beautiful; if only our actual universe looked as fantastic. action/adventure/shooter hybrid.

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - this is hands down the first undeniable AAA title released, and my personal pick for the game of the year. it's a combination platformer, brawler, shooter, and adventure game, all rolled into an expertly presented package. if Heavenly Sword elevates a cinematic presentation to new heights, then Uncharted sends it soaring into the atmosphere, probably bumping into Ratchet and Clank's space ship as it zooms past. character animations, voice-acting, the writing and direction, are nothing short of an accomplishment worthy of many, many awards. it's like watching a good summer popcorn flick, but you are actually *PLAYING it.

the narrative is woven into the story so well, that it never feels like a disparate element to the whole, or takes you out of the game. the cutscenes are all in game, but also very short, as a lot of the dialogue and narrative happens *WHILE you are traversing the landscape, getting into gunfights and brawls. speaking of gunfights and brawls, the combat system in this game takes the best elements of games like Resident Evil 4 and Gears of War, and marries them (though the cover-system mechanic has the same Gears of War issue, in which sometimes you roll, when you mean to stick to a wall, and stick to a wall when you mean to roll) beautifully. the gunfights are also incredibly intense, with wave after wave of pirate aiming to bring you down. the hand to hand combat is really last resort only, but is context sensitive, and very satisfying.

i highly enjoy running up to a guy and drop kicking him in the head, or punching him a few times in the face and stomach, before dropping him with a balls-crushing kick to the nuts. pulling a Solid Snake and sneaking up behind him and snapping his neck is also fun, but the meat of the gameplay is in the shooting. and there is plenty of it. while the game gets compared to Tomb Raider and Prince of Persia a lot, those comparisons are pretty unfounded, and after playing a significant chunk of Uncharted, i can say that it is *NOTHING like Tomb Raider. *AT ALL. the pace is infinitely faster, and the exploring and platforming elements make up only a small percentage of the gameplay. this is an action title through and through.

i think it goes without saying that the graphics are second to none, and quite possibly the most consistently gorgeous game out there (you know what i mean; some games excel at one element, say, character models, but the rest of the world doesn't quite match, ie, Mass Effect, or Resistance), and everything has a very vibrant, lush feel to it that makes you want to reach out and touch the plants, or take a swim in the best looking water i've ever seen in a video game (and i've *PLAYED Bioshock!). hands down, this game is *THE reason to own a Playstation 3 right now. hell, it's a reason to pick up an HDTV as well, as SDTVs don't do this game justice at all. there is a bit of texture pop in sometimes, but the fact that the game never, and i mean this, *NEVER stops to load in a level or cutscene (after the title screen, and you load in whatever save you have, or a new game, it's non-stop), helps the cinematic and believability of the world immensely. this game goes above and beyond anything you expect from a system's first year. if you buy a PS3, buy this game along with it. it *WON'T disappoint you.

and there you have it. the currently released heavy hitters on the Playstation 3. games like Haze (developed by Free Radical, who made the excellent Timesplitters games, and are comprised of ex-Rare employees who worked on the classic Goldeneye title for the N64), and Unreal Tournament 3 also hit before the years end, not to mention Gran Turismo Prologue (not to be confused with the free demo GT HD), so there's even more goodness.

as for the rest of the great games out and released, they are all multi-platform (Assassin's Creed, COD4, Rock Band, Guitar Hero 3, etc), so there's no reason why 360 and PS3 owners should fight and b*tch at each other, but i just don't see why people praise the 360 for having such a fantastic lineup, and completely *DISMISS the amazingly quality *FIRST GENERATION titles the PS3 has. i understand if certain titles aren't your thing (i don't like Halo, but i understand it's place as a AAA 360 title), but to just disregard a PS3 title because it's an exclusive, or maybe too short, is silly.

it all boils down to personal preference. both consoles have some great exclusives on offer, and most recent multi-platform games have been damn near identical on both systems, so the only thing that should sway your buying decision is which console has the games and features that appeal to you, and you alone. who cares what some overpaid schlub from ign or gamespot, or *WHEREVER says about console x or game y, but it's whether or not *YOU want said product and services. after all, it's *YOUR hard earned money. not theirs.

[Raptors]

One, no wants to read a novel on this site. Two, Don't try and make unbias comments towards the end when you made such obvious bias comments at the beginning. You're a fanboy, just come out and say so rather than making us suffer by reading your bias novel...

[Figboy]

who says i'm trying to make unbiased comments?

i've already said time and time again that i prefer the PS3 over the 360. the PS3 has the games i want to play, while the 360 does not. it's really rather simple.

but just because i'm not a fan of Halo (i love Bioshock, and i'm torn on Mass Effect), doesn't mean i can't appreciate what the system is, and what it's doing.

my two big gripes about the 360 are the failure rate, and the lack of a higher capacity disc drive (like HD DVD or Blu Ray), built into the machine. not having an HDD standard across all SKUs also has had an adverse affect on certain games (ie, Mass Effect, and it's constant texture pop-in and loading issues).

i'm not trying to come off as unbiased or tolerant, i am honestly speaking my mind. i don't *HATE the 360. i just don't think it was very well thought out, and was rushed to market just to get a quickly dwindling lead on Sony and Nintendo.

if you're having trouble discerning whether or not i'm bias or not, then i'm doing something right, and you can't take off your own fanboy goggles long enough to consider someone elses opinion.

you also don't have to read my long posts (it's the beautiful thing about free will), so i don't feel sorry if more than 3 words and a lack of colorful drawings caused you discomfort. have a nice day, though.

[Hydrollex]

or did you copy ? Wow dude it takes 15 minutes to write and 10 miuntes to correct and 5 minutes to read.

[Figboy]

i wrote it all down in one go. it took a while, actually. i just wrote what popped into my head, and what games for each system stood out to me, for the most part based off of actual hands on experience with the games (barring Forza and PGR, since i don't care for racers much; i only saw my roommate play those)

i think that goes down as the longest post i've written in a comments section *EVER.

sorry everybody! i didn't realize it would be that long when i started! it was supposed to just be a few lines!

[Raptors]

The fanboyism on this site is out of control...

[FF7numba1]

agree. but its like that all over the internet. Just have to bring your best argument with some provable facts.

[skylar2000]

Ive seen many dumb people and None more dumb than sony fanboys. They think their best game is uncharted and heavenlyswap but the 360 can handle those games like nothing. Probably would only use like 10% power of the 360 as oppose to using like 95% of the ps3. LOL. Now who got owned? that's right@!

[FF7numba1]

too bad you wont be able to respond but its not about brainwashing. But you do know that sony has been delivering since 1996. Why wouldn't their fans back them up.

[scrillakiller]

THIS KID SMOKES TO MUCH POT.ANYWAY SEGA CANT BE COMPARED TO SONY NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE.AND KYLAR LAY OFF THE CRACK I DOUBT 360 COULD DO HS OR UNCHARTED

[Xbox is the BEST]

know I smoke the Best

[FF7numba1]

I love it how Microsoft got their fanboys thinking their gonna beat sony. Really at this point the only company can beat current king of consoles(sony) is the old king. Nintendo was the old king and their ones sony need to worry about.

Microsoft is just trying to earning some pocket change they could careless about winning major console market. If they do then hey their happy. However they aren't looking for it and their not expecting it.
Bottom lines is M$ is just trying to make a buck from simple minded gamers.

[lockload]

Add it all up the ps3 still isnt making any ground worldwide as a whole, even if they ps3 outsell the 360 worldwide by 400,000 a month (whihc they never will) it will take then 2 years to catch up

[Cullmatose]

yo guys-

ive had problems with my 360... i would like to no if it would seem worth it to trade it in or sell it, and go get a ps3 80g(for backwards compatibility)and because its starting to seem like a better console, what would you guys think...?

[KingKirchner]

well, If I were you, I'd keep the 360, but still try to get a PS3 ASAP. It's always better to have the best of both worlds. BUT, if you can only have one, I would reccomend the PS3 if it appeals to you and if your 360 is having problems.

It's your decision though man, so go with what you want.

[The Killer]

xbox 360 fans
1) xrots
2) xrats

please help me to choose one of them to name them from now on with this names!!

thats what i think!
xrats sounds more cooler then xrots but xrots sounds more like the truth about the rotten RROD of 360!!

[crippler666]

It does not need to, it took Sony 7 years to sell the PS2 to the numbers it did. The PS3 is just a year old, not even that in PAL territories.

The PS3 has done well considering the delays, price and lack of games for half the year and too many the second half.

The PS3 needs to sell consoles, not be number 1. The Sony big guns are out next year and I do think then the lay of the land will be different. I don't think it will be number 1, but definitely not as far behind.

[JACKRABBIT]

I for one don't mind paying for LIVE. Yes sure i wish it was free like PSN but it's worth paying 50.00 a year. For one you get to demo all the arcade games before you decide to purchase them.Unlike the PSN where you have to buy them and if you don't like them oh well your up s**t creek.Like i was with Calling all Cars. If $50.00 bucks is to much you can always pay it monthly.I think it's around 7.00 a month. A lot of people spend more then that on fast food in one day.

[The Dark Knight]

Ohhh another one of these threads , doesnt surprise me, and it always has a question mark because its all talk with sony they prove themseles, therefore sony will not win the next gen war, your freakin kidding right??its at the bottom of the list?

ps3 fanboys are so pathetic, they all probably live in theres moms basment still, waiting for a new game to come out, and of course he says they could win he works for sony you morons , god how stupid are yous, now disagree with me cause you know that the ps3 is a flop and wont win, it will be at the bottom of the charts till the next gen,

now go play your 2 games you have..... and then you might get another 2 next year, wow!!! what so theres killzone 2 and mgs that all i hears yous talk about haha yeah have fun with that, while im still trying to ctach up on my games cause so many are out, Sh!t even medal of honor just came out for ps3 and ive had it since the dawn of freakin time,

yeah good luck with winner the war and all, pffft ps3 fanboys can suck it , luck wont even help you console :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D: D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:
have a good day looking at your dusty ps3 :)

[smokinjoe5403]

Jesus I've seen rabid sports fans before, but I don;t think I've ever seen such a rabid hatred between game machine supporters before. Do you guys really care that much about either one? First of all unless you guys own stock in the company who gives a sh*t? From what I can tell none of you are CEOs for either company so shut the f**k up.

I own a PS2 still and am looking for which to buy and from looking into it it looks like it comes down to a couple things and tell me if I'm wrong:

PS3 offers the easier way to get a combo machine (blue ray built in)

Xbox has Halo3 (who gives a sh*t about Bioshock.. and Mass effect is a FPS in disguise as an RPG...are the only exclusives xbox has FPSs?)

I'm not home often and I work a lot (sales) so internet gaming isn;t a big concern for me since I've never really gotten into it before anyway...and niether do my friends.

Is there anything else I should consider? to get a combo HD DVD player/game system they seem equal in price and while I like first person shooters I liked the wide variety of different exclusives the PS2 offered. From what you bloggers know which is the better option?

please keep it to the basics..I don't care for the bias supporters of a monopoly like MS..nor do I care for the Sony bias, I just want facts. can someone help me out?

[Jandre02]

I was gunna argue yet again, but its pointless. You already see that the PS3 is outselling the Xbox with a higher price and less games.

Next year the price will be the same, and MGS4, FF, and GT5 are better than anything the Xbox has had or will have.

LBP and Killzone2 have more potential than Mass Effect and BioShock had a few months ago. They are bigger projects, and touch a larger demographic than those games. (Well atleast LBP does.)

Socom has one of the most loyal fan bases ever.

God of War is arguably the best game ever, and really deserves GOTY IMO.

Both BioWare and 2K have games in development for the PS3(rumored, but most likely true)

Theres no reason why current Xbox owners won't buy a PS3 as well...other than us nerds on this site most people will probably want both to play all the games, and the PS3 will be more affordable

Get over it. 6 million consoles is nothing to overcome in a year. Especially if the Xbox360 goes into hibernation again while the PS3 is rolling out AAA titles better than anything you have all year long.
(The Xbox only sold 2.5 million between Jan and August.)

And people say "Xbox isnt just going to let this happen, blah blah blah."

Well unless they can make games in two months to respond it wont matter. And sure u can say that they can drop the price, but price isnt the issue. The Xbox not being a playstation is the issue. If Sony and Microsoft switched consoles and swapped names I think Sony would have had nearly 30 million by now, however thats not the case.

Sony is selling more once again and by will pass the 360 by next September.

Mathematically speaking, that would mean if Xbox was to sell roughly the same, Sony would need to sell 8 million or so before August.

[Raptors]

God of War is arguably one of the greatest games ever??? Are you kidding me??? The game is good but to say one of the greatest ever? Wow. I know you love Sony but you make Nasim/Shmee look like an xbox fan.

[IRONMAN_X_357]

let xbots be stupid and the wiitards be confused, and of course the SONYFANTARDS who put anguish on the haters (:

[Ikanago]

I think the last point about a global market is very valid. PS3 is doing much better in Japan and Europe now. Just because it is lagging in US behind 360 doesn't mean it's over for SONY. I think it is really picking up steam and it is too early to tell (SO many possible PS2 owners who could upgrade to PS3). It's not like SONY is going to close their doors and stop making their console no matter how bad it may look now.

I honestly don't understand all this fanboyism. I own all three last gen and next gen systems. I love PS3 (with HD TV) and I don't regret my purchase. For me, R&C was worth it. I think it's an awesome game and I really like PS3.

A real question will emerge if SONY can't pick up even more steam NEXT year. But, you need to wait till then. The next tide of games (MGS4, LBP, GT, FF...) will really show whether PS3 can shoot up or just fall further behind. If PS3 can't push units with those games by next Christmas with their lowered price next year, things will be looking much worse.

[SilverKiller]

the xbox and the PS3 are good consoles, you have pros and cons in each of them, only one thing cross my mind now...

Blue ray is wining the war thanks to the Ps3 so in the end, if blueray wins the format war all of the companies need to adopt blueray disc (including MS) so if MS release a new console in the future they have to adopt the format so they are going to pay sony for it.

so why all the people that already have an xbox don't want to support the HD DVD (buying the one that can be adapt to the 360 if you do that i think Sony is going to lose at the end, the console war and the format war so maybe you are not going to see a PS4.... think about it ;)

[AngryTypingGuy]

It is inevitable that as the PS3 lowers its price, it will sell more. The same goes with the other two, but let's face it, the price issue has affected the PS3 the most. Only hardcore gamers that have the cash and people that wanted the cheapest BluRay player on the market have previously gotten one.

Now that it's become more affordable, of course sales are skyrocketing. You think the next gen systems are selling well now? Wait until the prices drop even further. The question is, when all is said and done, what system will more people want? That remains to be seen. One thing is for sure. No one system will be dominant like last gen. Well, maybe the Wii, but it's not really next gen.

[360Crusader]

PS3 Kicking 360 ass in Europe in Japan? Okay dont get me wrong Europe is one thing but Japan? Enough with the comparisons in that racist market.

Greg Miller chief editor for the PS3? Hmmm okay

Neither one of them said anything about PS3 running the show. Just talking about bettering itself. Which I agree that they will.
But in the end all I heard was 2 guys speculating and constantly comparing the PS3 with the 360. Like almost saying this is what the PS3 needs to do and be. Which makes perfect sense.

[skagrerrrr]

boxing...anyone?

[whoelse]

My video keeps changing after around 10 seconds after its starts.