E3: Sony's Peter Dille: Xbox 360 not sustainable, HD DVD dead within months

Talking to Gamasutra during a one-on-one interview, Peter Dille, the new senior vice president of marketing for PlayStation maintained that the 360 cannot sustain itself over a 10 year cycle – and also stated that he believes HD DVD will be dead within months.

Peter Dille:
"With the Xbox 360 you've got an inconsistent design, some have a harddrive, some don't, and none of them have Blu-Ray, and the HD DVD will be out of business in a matter of months. Is this a 10 year product? And by the way it doesn't even work. Do they want to be selling it for 10 years and refurbishing them all for 10 more years? I don't think that's a 10 year product. You could disagree with me, or they could disagree with me, but I'd put that up against the PS3 any day."

[iballa]

Let the flame wars begin...

[SWORDF1SH]

.... ms can keep havin a dig at ps3 but the fact wont change that dvd is to small for the next gen and ms have a unrealible product thats gonna cost them millions. thats why ms hope thats sonys price cut will fail because they cant do a price cut for themselves because of the millions the 360 is gonna cost them

[Caxtus750]

he is probably right but am i going to want to be playing my PS3 in 10 years time when i am 26?

I will want newer technology by then and i think the harcore gamer will too.

10 years ago the Psone was kicking off....now that is a LONg time indeed.

[Captain Tuttle]

Good points Chex...

[brianodom]

i've been playing my sega dreamcast for years

[Also Known As]

once the 360 gets the new chips this year any issues that it may have had will be resolved so this guy is full of it.

[marinelife9]

What he is saying is true but it's bad form to openly criticize your competitor in business. Bringing attention to your competitor's weaknesses should be done strictly by showing your own product's strengths. Telling the consumer how great your offering is infers that the competitors offering is weaker.

[Kratosnake]

Here's the thing tho: it's not just about the fact that 10 yrs from now we'll have technology that'll surpass today's, it's just a matter of consumer adaption. Blu-ray is gonna last for atleast 5-7 yrs, there's absolutely no reason for major companies to invest in newer technologies so soon when they've already spent billions backing and promoting blu-ray/hd-dvd.

I doubt it'll be 10 yrs, but it's going to be atleast a 5 year console, unlike 360, which is done i think next year. time for the nextbox, some might say.

[PS3n360]

Ouch man that hurt. I am 36 years old and i didnt start gaming till i was 26. My bet is that you will still be gaming and judging by the reliability of the PS3 you very well may be playing it in 10 years. Gamers are getting older and older people are getting attracted to gamings increasingly adult content. Or maybe I am just a little kid inside still. After all I still skateboard, surf, smoke dope, and play vids.

[tehcellownu]

cant argue with that its the truth..microsoft is never goin to make a profit..and losin billion on defective hardware..who buys a 360 that have a chance to die on u from the first day u play it.. xbots always say the 360 have the games no really the ps3 is goin to have it too..and guess what im goin to be able to play it all the time..and your 360 will be at the repair shop for the 6th time..lol.

[Mycococo]

look at the xbox...more powerful than the ps2 but the potential for the console was seen early on in the consols life.

look at the ps2...the first games were nasty! and then the devs got the hang of it amd maxed out the power gradually over the years.

the way sony designs its processors is for them to be powerful conceptually so that they will be relavent grfx wise for the 10 YEARS OF GAMING. competing with pc and the rest of the consols.

with microsoft...THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN OVERCLOCK BEFORE IT OVERHEATS! lol hahahahaha

[Caxtus750]

hehe il be gaming forever i hope :)

Im not saying ages are bad, sorry if it came across like that. I meant that in 10 years from now I will want to be playing on a PS4 or XBox 3 and not on the PS3 or 360.

In 10 years the Psone (95) has gone to 360 (2005) ...it is a long time when you look back. A whole generation in the middle.

[Texas GMR]

10 years is too long for any type of gaming technology. I don't want to be playing the same game system in 10 years.

The only people playing the old systems are the ones who can't afford the new ones, or they're too young to know better. It's a simple as that.

[sony fan]

Hey fellow sony fans, I must report our desperation is growing right on target. Hey I know, lets keep pretending and hoping blue-ray makes a difference. We would not want to admit we paid a buncha money to be sony's blue-ray pons, even though a DVD 9 is all we would ever need. Hey lets all forget how much we enjoyed Final Fantasy 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 which all had 4 discs and many other playstation tiltes. And even though we liked the feeling of accomplishment from changing a disc after a lot of playing hours lets say we don't like it now. Hey lets all pretend the xbox will still have problems even though it is totally fixed. And Hey WE BETTER FORGET about MASS EFFECT, you know that game which is the most graphically impressive and longest, most in-depth game this year. It must need 10 dvd 9, OH wait just one? WEll, WE STILL NEED BLUE-RAY. In fact now it is the end of the world if we have to get up once every 30 hours to change a dics. We sony fans fan sure do change are inds pretty quick if sony tells us to, but Hey at least their blu-ray players seeing a huge spike because of us. yay
http://forums.xbox-scene.co...

[riskibusiness]

Both the XBOX 360 and PS3 are outdated or near it at least. I want a new one every 4-5 year minimum. 10 Years is a joke!

[JsonHenry]

why would gamers WANT any system to last longer than 5-6 years with the way technology keeps advancing?

[eLiNeS]

Dille Pickle breath won’t be around for 10 weeks after that interview, what a moron!
M$ did everything right with the Xbox 360 even if there were a few problems here and there, at least there standing by it. The 360 is about gaming first and foremost where the PofS3 is about pushing Blu-Ray movies first and foremost. M$ didn't force you to buy a HD-DVD player, they didn't force you to buy a wireless adapter that would be obsolete in a few years with the ever changing wireless adoptions. They have proven there is plenty of room on the DVD9 for this gen HD games. The controllers have force feedback right out of the box where the PofS3 fanboys at first said they don't want rumble anyway but with rumors that it's coming soon they now can't wait for it to come out and of course you will have to buy all new controllers, LOL. So your $600 box will turn in to an $800 box overnight unless of course you only buy one, LOL, because you’re out of money and can’t afford it. Fony had to drop there so called price just to move a couple PofS3’s out the door and now they’re saying there dropping that skew once there all gone, then they took that back and then they changed their mind again, AHHHHH what is it?!?!?!? Fony is not doing well this gen but there Blu-Ray is, I think, who knows, who cares. Up-scale DVD is here to stay. I don’t want to have to replace the 1200 DVD’s I own just for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. The lineup of games coming to the 360 THIS year is incredible and makes me proud to be playing on an Xbox 360. Once Fony takes there head out of there @$$ and give the gamers what gamers want at the right price, maybe holiday season of 2008, maybe I will pick one up, if they drop their boring HOME project. LOL

[SofaKingReetodded]

and I get the feeling that they surf these websites for our feedback because it's the exact same thing we've been saying for months about the 360.

[dragunrising]

D1ck. Might as well say your sleeping with Peter Dille if you believe every word that comes out of "any" marketing rep. With the recent price drop I'm thinking of buying a PS3 (Lair anyone?). Still...if you listen to every word that comes from Jack Tretton and Peter Moores salad tossing mouth your foolish. They all talk bs.

[Watching_N4G]

What a Dille hole.

Sony has discontinued the 20GB and 60GB within 8 months of release.

Whatever Dillehead.

[VendettaWFT]

he made one great point which is what Microsoft should really listen too and that is not abandoning your consumers once a new system comes out. I do agree that this guy said some things that he shouldn't have and he was taking some cheap shots, like an idiot. But he's right in one regards, the way microsoft just flat out abandoned the XBOX users by just not making games for them anymore was just complete and utter Bullshi%. Thats one thing Sony does right, surprisingly, is that they offer their consoles up for a long period of time and support them as well.

[360RULEZ]

blablablabla whatever

sony losers lie to their own fandroidbases about their own products ( hint hint : fake pricedrop ) ... so it's natural that they would lie about other products proclaiming them as dead.

the only "dead" thing is your pridrop, and the 499$ 60 gb PS3, sony droids.

Xbox360 Elite FTW

@Watching_N4G above : amen brother .. Dillehead .. hahahahah

[ilovepswii60]

i actuall agree with him

[iballa]

looking at your picture, i'd say your slightly bias

[Bloodmask]

seems like the biggest fanboy of them all.

Grow up Dille and stop bashing the competition. You are supposed to be a professional aren't you?

Or do you want to do the walk of shame like Ken Kutaragi.

[SWORDF1SH]

is it ok for ms to keep nippin away at the ps3. no its not. ms have been slaggin of the ps3 way b4 it even launched so its only right we can have some sort of retaliation. i say go for it dille. give ms what they deserve

the fact is ms tactics are childish and bullyish and nintendo are jus as arrogant as sony so no company can take the moral high ground

[Omegasyde]

I am not trying to play the devil's advocate on your opinion, but your wrong.

MS, took the first cheap shots. They still have the biggest cheap shot so far, the Xbox guerrilla warfare strategy when Ps3 launched in Europe. There was doez and dozen of MS paid people sladering PS3 and trying to get people to buy Xbox. There was even a article about how MS apologized, and stated they had no affiliation with MS despite the people who did it said so(they actually stated they were MS employees, google it).

Nintendo did trump that by advertzing a Comercial about Sony portrayed as a Fat Girl, and the Wii as a skinny fun Blonde.

"Large and in Charge."? lmao it was funny though.

[Watching_N4G]

On second thought when did MS ever say their system will be a ten year system. Sony should reign in their people from talking trash when they are third in installed base.

[SuperSaiyan4]

This guy is clearly INSANE!

Microsoft never said the 360 is out for 10yrs I dont think the PS3 will in reality be out for 10yrs by itself it will easily have a PS4 by 4yrs or 5yrs.

HD-DVD dead in 10 months??

Oh please this guy is clearly talking like a pathetic fanboy.

HD-DVD offers a better picture over blu-ray on MANY HD-DVD's, the only decent blu-ray movie I have seen so far is Casino Royale.

I know because I have the 360 HD-DVD add-on AND a PS3.

I love my technology and I love my gaming and this guy is just an idiot.

[Bordel_1900]

"HD-DVD offers a better picture over blu-ray on MANY HD-DVD's, the only decent blu-ray movie I have seen so far is Casino Royale."

Then you clearly haven't seen many Blu-ray movies.

[achira]

you have surely no ps3. believe me. at first he is right! and he never said that ms said that it will hold 10 years, but he said ms cannot go for ten years, thats a difference. the xbox360 is inconsistant, and thats the truth, sorry.

[progx]

is one ugly man...

[rubarb23]

lol.

[Pika-pie]

Ooops
Poor Microsoft. They are clearly out of this race.

They are like the leading horse that stumbled over a hurdle before the finnish line. And then had to be put down!

RIP M$

[tudors]

Where do all these moron comments come from.

[radzy]

he really thinks that because sony had the better conference this e3 (they showed the right stuff) he thinks that sony automatically has won the console and media war. buddy when that blood rush settles down , go with your administration and try to work out why you are last in the console race, why sony games is not selling , and start acting your age. you are too old to be a fanboy.

[00]

He has a crystal ball!!! that allows him to see in the FUTURE!!!wow.

[P4KY B]

Moores law says that power doubles every 2 years.
Therefore in 10 years PCs will be 32 times more powerful than they are now.

Both 360 and PS3 will look like calculators in 10 years time.

Who will want a PS3 in 6 years let alone 10?

[Greysturm]

That keep the ps2 somewhere in the best seller lists...

[peksi]

In 8 years there will be such a big userbase that it don't matter if the console is outdated. Only a fraction of the console owners has to buy the game and it will be on number one spot. I'm pretty sure that is where the real money is made.

[Hayabusa 117]

I agree with him. The 360 isn't a 10 year product. I don't think it ever was. 2-3 years from now, we'll have the next Xbox, which will make the PS3 look like a NES. It'll be interesting to see if Sony stick to their guns and runs the PS3 through a "10 year cycle" or whether they rush their next console out like the PS3, because of Microsoft.

And by the way, now that Sony have finally done a press conference that didn't end in tears, are they going to go staight back to their casual arrogant selves? I hope not.

[popup]

Thats a good point.

The PS2 is still selling well but the PS3 would need more than a upgradable Hard Drive to last 10 years.

For some reason the guy in the picture has one of those faces you want to punch too :)

[Silvanos]

Lol in 2 years the xbox 3 will make the PS3 look like an NES, can I have some of what your on?

[Hayabusa 117]

I'm talking about a console, there's no need to take it personal or anything. I was just making the same point that many have already said, which is that the next XBox will be alot more powerful than the current PS3. If it makes you feel any better, the PS4 will also make the PS3 look like a NES.

[Itachi]

hayabusa please wipe the sh*t from your eyes

[AudioRage]

i did not buy my xbox360 to be a ten year console, i bought it to play good games now at a good price with an excellent online service.. now!!

i would not mind in the slightest upgrading in 3-5 years, because at end of day my setup was relatively cheap in comparison to the competition, and ive never ever been so hooked by a gaming console, ever.. i used to buy the playstations, and ive no doubt that they are gonna win whatever war is happening, because for years they had no serious competition (no offence nintendoboys). The xbox360 has been my best console to date, games are excellent, online is excellent, and its just a great all rounder, with so many cool features that keep being upgraded..

What i am surprised at is how well microsoft has done, like sony is a big console manufacturer to go in competition with and noone can deny how well they have done.

And as for the fanboys, who say we wasted money and all that bullshit and how we are stupid and blind and microsoft has ripped us off. blah blah blah.. worry about yourselves, and quit worrying about someone else, i myself made an educated decision to make my purchase and took more factors into mind than anyone, and i throughly am satisfied. Just as i am sure there are many ps3 owners, wii owners, and dreamcast owners who think the same.

[mikeslemonade]

He's stating the obvious. I agree.

[Lygre]

Microsoft doesn't force us to buy HD-DVD. We can buy that as an accessory if we want to. And if HD DVD would die within a few months, we could still be downloading HD films and TV series right of Xbox Live Video Marketplace.

Digital movies that can be downloaded off services like Xbox Live is the future. Not HD DVD or Blu ray. (That's what I think anyway).

[Cook1eMan]

You nailed it! I support you 200% on what your saying. Microsoft always has a fall back especially with market place. Sorry Sony fanboys another lose for you guys. Sucks right(Not)

[kingjkv]

Well good luck downloading a 5 Gig movie. I'll probably be in my thirties by then.

[Maddens Raiders]

SNE stands shoulder to shoulder with the PS1, the PS2, the PSP, and of course the PS3 100%. This is the hallmark of their console reputation and it matters.

[psycho360]

Come out of Ken's behind and see the world around you idiot. Wii and 360 are beating the (rap out of your precious ps3. You are already beating the dead horse (ps2) and it will be dead soon so how come you're talking about 10 year cycle. Only u morons want to force customers to put up with your pos machine for 10 years. The PCs have already passed the next gen consoles so what do you expect the tech would be in next 3-4 years time? Other than your bluray, nothing else in the ps3 is worth the damn even in this day and age. Cell is over hyped and is so watered down that it cannot even compete with 3 core cpu of 360. And talk about ram, 256x2 which is not shared. Comeon my cell phone has more memory. This gen its not about talking what super duper hardware we have or what is the potential, competition is already showing what can be done and people are happy with that.

If you guys can't accept the fact that you cannot ride the wave of success just cuz you were top for last 2 gen and by default you will be this gen as well then you're in for big shock.

[Master of Menace]

Well, Xbots can just keep buying their Elites, and Blu-ray add ons and cooling fans and whatever else you need to keep 360 functional. I'll keep my PS3. And sure Hi-Tech will eventually overtake the PS3, but by then it will be way cheaper. And just like the PS2 will continue to sell up to ten years. I'll feel sorry for the XBOX 720, should be out soon. Hey sak is that a new name? Mmmm.

[30ROCK]

Especially the bit about HD-DVD.

"WAAAAAH Microsoft doesn't force us to buy HD-DVDs, we have HD content rarara"
Oh but MS forces you to pay for online gaming, which Sony does better (not online service, GAMING).
"WAAAH it's better (WRONG) so we want to have our pockets raped!"
And maybe PS3 buyers want Blu-ray because its obviously led to better games - The Darkness extra info, Uncharted, Killzone 2, R&C5, MGS4, FFXIII etc etc etc

[dragunrising]

Everyone one of the games you mentioned that "takes advantage" of blu-ray (besides The Darkness) isn't even fu@king out yet. Stupid fanboy. Omg I got 100 exclusive artwork screen shots on my PS3!!! If there is worthwhile content that doesn't fit on DVD9 they will press a second disc and still pay about the same as pressing a blu-ray disc. Also, I'd just like to throw out there that Drake: Uncharted looks like crap.

[Cook1eMan]

Like sony he seems to claim things that are untrue to make sony look dominate. Lets take this back a couple days ago at E3. At E3 Sony claimed all but 2 or 3 games were exclusive to their console alone. Never once did they say they had a "Timed Exclusive",but for one game that was a multi platform game. This stuned me that sony could lie out there a** about the exclusivity of games when only but 2 or 3 were exclusive to their console. You know what im no way am I a Fanboy to any console as they all have there pros and cons. I'm the kind of person who does anything I can to get the Fanboys to STFU and chill.

[stonedog]

Only Sony has claimed a 10 year life cycle for their machine. Typically the cycle has been 5 years. Logically M$ would release a new console in 5 years time. If Sony wishes really really hard maybe M$ will just vanish. Sony's problem is that like most people and organizations they believe that their position at the top of the wheel is natural and destined to continue. The reality is that it takes hard work to get there and more hard work to stay there.

[Nervsys]

Why are sony's top employees such fanboys. Just keep pumping out this garbage. Makes you wonder whether they are trying to convince the public or convince themselves!

If HD dies so what. Why should microsoft care?
If BR dies then the PS3 is dead.
That is one advantage of the 360. It allows us 360 owners to sit on the fence as far as the HD/BR argument goes.

But then as mentioned above - both PS3 and 360 will be junk in ten years.

And is it me, or does he look really constipated in that picture!

[Master of Menace]

Just like XBOX 1. Picked it up for $10 dollars at a garage sale. It makes a real handy door stop.

[DirtyRat]

Most console last for 5 YEARS so to imply that the 360 is not sustainable for 10 years is probably correct in many ways. By then we'll have an Xbox 720 or whatever, and the 360 will no doubt be available in an ultra slimline form...we'll also probably see announcements from sony on the PS4.

His pointless crooning about HD-DVD being dead is exactly what you'd expect someone from the Sony PR machine to say, just like you'd expect M$ to say Digital Distribution is the future...who is right? Only time will tell.

[Cook1eMan]

At TheDesperado

Yo you need to stick with the facts and throw out all the speculated bulls***. Microsoft lets people set there own pace until to get to the HD era, aka optional HD-DVD Drive. Sony is the forcing people to buy a new HD-TV with 1080p and HDMI ,if they dont have one to enjoy the consoles full functionality. Also PS3's online gaming sucks ass and copies every single option that Xbox live put out. Maybe people will pay for better service that sony cant seem to get right. PS3 has no games and will not be a top competitor in this console war, and if 360 drop $100 off the price sony might as well kiss it's ass goodby. I hate Fanboys and I support every way of damaging there little world especially smashing their consoles while they wait in line.

[Silvanos]

Seek help, you have issues.

[lVlemphizStylez]

cause Live coined Peer to Peer playing...Personal Messages...and Buddy Lists...Get real...PC's were enjoying your "Live Experience" for FREE many years before your Xbox existed...

[progx]

Guess this retard didn't get the memo about the 60 gig being dropped when the stock's gone. Talk about inconsistency...

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

oh yeah, blu-ray players aren't even finalized yet...

[ericbs]

This reminds me of a little marketing tactic called FUD...

[JasonXE]

the Xbox 360 is not a 10 year console. By the 5th year of the console cycle, MS would be releasing a product 10x superior to the playstation 3, adding DirectX 10 to the mix. Whether HD DVD is dead within months is inconsequential either because Microsoft doesn't have a stake in that war. They could release a blue ray addon, and stick with the downloadable movie service if hd dvd fails. The size is not a problem with DVD either with 99% of current games only using 1 disc, and 2 dvd disc is not that much of a inconvenience. The successor to the Xbox 360 should have a hd dvd, blue ray, or maybe holographic disc...

[etownone]

exactly... and when GT5 comes out in 2009... we will probably be hearing about the next xbox coming out for 2010 with PGR5... haha..

i for one dont mind getting a new console every 4-5 years.

[Imalwaysright]

first of all microsoft wil get charged up the ass by sony for the external blu ray drive, sony owns the patent for BluRay,so, either sony wont allow microsoft to have a bluray player, or the bluray player will be around € 300-400

[THAMMER1]

This does not mean they can say what ever they want. Sony needs some humble pie. This generation will be over in 2 1/2 years and Sony is just getting off the finish line.

[caffman]

no wonder there are flame wars!

[etownone]

what freakin BS...... microsoft will be annoucing their price cut very soon, and they already know the sweet spot is $199... dont be surprised is the core drops down to that price for the holidays.
PS3 is still too expensive for the mass market, and those retards at sony are keeping it at $600. Now if sony would have kept the 20 gig and sold it for 300 or 350, then yes, 360 could have been very worried.

and yes Sony had a great E3, but besides KZ2 (which look amazing for a standard FPS) that wont be released till 2008 sometime and GT4 that wont be releases till 2008-9 sometime all the others were ok. The timed exclusives haze and UT3 are coming to 360, and yes heavenly sword and Lair looked good, but were getting bioshock and mass effect this year.

[DrRage77]

Dille is right about one statement in his comments, the xbox360 will not be sustainable for 10 years....but that is because microsoft never planned to have the 360 be it's best console in 10 years. by that time, i would hope that BOTH sony and microsoft have new consoles out. if you think about it, do you really want to be playing the 360 or ps3 in 7, 8, 9 or 10 years? i still have my super nintendo and sega dreamcast, but i have not touched those in years....i want the next best consoles to be out about 6-7 years after these (360 and ps3) get their usefulness finished up with

also, i think he is being a little too arrogant about hd-dvd being dead in 10 months..the latest numbers are that hd-dvd players are outselling blu-ray players in europe by 2:1. it is still too early to declare a "winner" in the high def format war.

this no doubt is bringing alot of flames from both sides fo the spectrum, but i hope people will at least realize that in 3-5 years time, the 360 and ps3 will already be conidered old-gen...we already have quad-core processors on pc's and those are going to be replaced later this year with the next wave of technology, so i really don't think the 360 and ps3 have what it takes to sustain a competitive edge for 10 years

[Cook1eMan]

Sony's system is sapposed to last 10 years. 5 years before sony says they will or if they will release another system microsoft will be already on dx10 graphics not dx9 like this gen. by the time sony comes to finally release there system microsoft might unleash the kick in the ass to sony in form of dx11. Dont laugh, we still have 9 and a half years till sony releases another console. Microsoft 2 consoles in that time.

[Silvanos]

That's what you r going with here.

He isn't saying Sony won't be releasing a new system for 10 years, all he is saying is the PS3 will still be useful for 10 years (blu ray player.)

[Cook1eMan]

He said it will still be usefull but if you havent read any other interviews then how do know the real facts. Sony said itself that if they dont make there profit within a certain time the console will stay until they earn what they were aiming for. The ps3 is fad and is only going to stay alive by sony fanboys which are eventually going to widdle down.

[FeralPhoenix]

Wow, he got this one all wrong, I don't think M$ ever planned on the 360 being their only console for the next ten yrs, in fact I hope not....I want to see their next console in 3, 4 yrs from now. The only difference is M$ has said they will support the 360 much longer than the original xbox which didn't make much money from software due to all the modding and not ever making a profit on the hardware since it wasn't cost effective.

In just 2 yrs both consoles will be pretty outdated as far as specs go, sure they will continue to produce amazing games even when they are outdated, but I like getting a new console every 5 yrs with the latest hardware. If Sony wants to stick with the PS3 without making a new console for the next ten yrs, then I have no doubt it will be around and it will still sell but I will gladly be buying M$'s latest offering....based on everything they learned this gen, good and bad I imagine it will be one hell of a gaming machine.

[Captain Tuttle]

Which I think is just marketing bull like the 4D nonsense, they'll be done in 5 years. This is just marketing stuff, it has no basis in reality. Sony's not stupid you know.

[Rims]

Sony PWNED YOU!

[scriptkiddie]

As fast as technology changes, why would you want to hold on for 10 years, 5 years tops. I hope they do not wait that long to make a PS4, as other systems come out with newer more advanced hardware it will make the PS3 look pretty bad. I know they like saying 10years to make people feel better about spending $600 but lets be real. In 10 years do you really want a game system with hardware that is 10 years old. I hope MS and nintendo doesn't think this way.

[Master of Menace]

Sony probably will release another console before ten years. They are just saying they are aiming for a ten year shelf life for the PS3.

[_insane_cobra]

Hahahahahaahahahaha
Awww, Sony... I love you, guys.

The sad thing is Sony's fine E3 press conference really made it seem like they've finally eaten their humble pie, and then this comes along, together with that silly Reeves interview on GamesIndustry.biz. I guess they'll never change.

[FeralPhoenix]

Sony has some momentum after E3, I like both consoles and I wish exec's what just shut up and let the games do the talking, Sony was starting to shake the bad PR label so please Dille just talk about how great Sony's product is....I have no problem with him commenting on the competition thats part of the game but the whole re-furbishing comment is just lame, because its not like they didn't have any issues with PS2, yet the public stayed with them and they survived....a little humility goes along way.

[M1am1U]

and besides, how many people really think that Sony designed the PS3 with a 10 year life cycle in mind? They know good and well that all three companies will have their next next-gen systems on the shelf by 2016. Come on. And for the last time, MS is well in the process of turning the ship around regarding the refurb/RRoD issues. That horse is so dead it's ridiculous. I always thought the best marketing campaign was to pump up your own product, taking the high road and not bashing your competition like a 6 year old. Why is it that Nintendo has the least "next-gen" system and can manage to stay out of the mud slinging and still sell so well? Hmmm...ah well, just my two cents.

[FFVIIFan]

even MS didn't consider the 360 a ten year product. Isn't there plan to release a new console every 6 years or something like that.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

If it's dead then why are there still movies being made in the format?

Sounds like more Sony BS, claiming victory to soon. Thats sound alot like George W Bush dont it? claim victory but yet here we are still fighing the war.

Sony<--- Lies and propaganda mixed with a hell of alot of bullsh!t.

[FadeToBlack]

I don't want to be stuck with any console for 10 years. If thats the case I will be PC gaming while the console gets left technologically behind.

[Kenshin]

...that Sony will be here for the long-run. The fact of the matter is PS3 is a true entertainment hub and HD will be taking over and MS knows that incorporating it for gaming is not feasible. And the games that we've/will see for 360 has reached or nearly reached its full potential, IMO. In other words, there's little room for improvement. While the Devs has just scratched the surface of the true power of PS3. And btw, Wii, it won't last. Give it another 2-3 years and you will find the Wiis resting and collecting dust.

[psycho360]

Hey KEN, we all thought you left sony. Stop spreading the b$ again on these forums.

[N4GayFanturds]

Even todays TVs are no longer 10 year products. If you think the technology in the PS3 will be at the top of the food chain in even 5 years, then you are sadly mistaken!

BTW they already changed the PS3 well before 1 year is up. Emotion chip. Gone. 20G version. Gone. With so many changes already, who knows what else they'll change in the next few years.

[witchking]

Remember that price cut? According to some sources, your last chance to get the 60gb version will be July 31 in the US.

So, as of Aug 1, the price of the PS3 is... $599.

[sajj316]

I personally think Sony is going for the 7 year full support + 2 years half-support + 1 year 1/4 support plan. Unfortunetly Moores law doesn't necessarily equate to guaranteed success as evidence through the Nintendo Wii. A sustainable plan implies long term and yes this is all marketing. Microsoft has never said anything about a 10 year plan but I think their hardware will not be sustainable 2 years from now. All signs point to Blu Ray being the format of choice. This is why I think the PS3 can be sustainable as Blu Ray is the wild card. Forget the CPU and GPU for a minute. Sony has Blu Ray, Nintendo has the Wiimote. Microsoft has ... Now I think many of you will say Xbox Live. I say, so what. Live is a service. Both Nintendo and Sony have the ability to match it or even surpass it.

[paracardium]

Ps3 will be around awhile. Ps2 is around now for what 7-8 years already. As for xbox they're their own downfall and put a horrid made rushed product out on the market to get a head start on Sony which is backfiring now.Wii well how many diffrent things can you do with wiimote before eveything has been done?

[InMyOpinion]

I don't trust people with square heads...

[Bill Gates]

XBOTS are bitter, and it shows in allot of their comments. Face it XBOTS, Sony PAWNED ALL OF YOU!!...HAHHAHAHHAAH

Sony's engine goes - VVRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM !!
Micro$haft's engine goes - put put put.
Nintendo is just riding a bicycle singing - fa la la la la :)

[witchking]

... but ROTFL. Fa la la la la, indeed!

[AngryTypingGuy]

I definitely think BluRay will beat HD-DVD, however I don't think BluRay is necessary for next gen games. Look at Oblivion. It's long enough. I don't want anything bigger than that, for the sake of my attention span.

I realize more space allows for better graphics as well, but the graphics for the two systems looks to remain roughly equal if not the slight edge going to the 360 thus far. Compression techniques are also getting better. DVD9 is fine for running games this gen.

[rowdy 1]

This guy is speaking the truth. MS should have come out with one design for the 360 with a hard drive, and put a little more tech into it. Now these hardware issues are making international news and everyone's aware of it. When you pay the kind of money that these systems cost quality is the first thing you want. I own a ps3 and my son has a 360. I can see from playing both systems which one is in it for the long haul. Seems that Sony is showing and prooving that they have more to offer. Right now MS is showing me nothing other than HALO 3, but since I'm not a 12 yr old I could care less about it. MS has some work to do.

[killercam19]

Was that the same fa*gy a*s b*tch that couldnt stop saying how nervous he he is at the e3 conference now behind clothes doors he running off his mouth MS should put out a hit

[Nicosia]

wow, what did you expect from a sony employee? Give praise to the other side. Games don't matter, my ass!

[ben hates you]

purchases a core has the intent of buying a hard drive

[Padre784]

at the end of the day all these companies and fanboy/girls can slag off the competition but it will be the consumers that have the last say.

HD-DVD is beating Blu-ray hands down in Europe and vice a versa in the States, Xbox 360 is still selling 2-1 over the PS3 on a global scale and the Wii is flying off the shelves so fast that it's becoming ridiculous.

At the end of the day it's all down to personal preference and price point.

I have a 360 and a Wii and have no intention of buying a PS3 not because I think the machine is crap but because the games I want to play are on the 2 that I own. The PS3 is on paper the better machine but that was the Case with the original Xbox and in that case the PS2 still sold more units because that's where the games were. This time around the opposite is the case, the games are on 360 and Wii and as a consumer I will follow the games that I like. I'm loyal to the games publishers not the hardware manufacturers.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Stop fingerbanging your consoles you trouts

[Odion]

lol has anyone else noticed that this interview seems to have rallied the 360 fans again, we're not as disorganized as we have been the last couple of days.

Arise, arise owners of Xbox!
Fell deeds awake this morn: Sony and Nintendo!
Wii motes shall be shattered, PS3's be splintered,
an Xbox-day, a Green day, ere the sun rises!
Play now, Play live! Play on Xbox Live!

But onto his comments, the PS1 didn't have a 10 year life cycle and the PS2 is not going to survive for another 2 years. Hd-Dvd is beating Blue ray in Europe and the PS3 has no grounds to declare itself a winner when they're in last play and they keep loosing ground every month.

Its a stand alone player lead, you know the important lead, because like that study proved from the same site only 17% of people use their system for playback.

Also I am not going by when Sony stop supporting the PS1, I am going by when the System no longer sold, and that my friend was before 2004

[Snake_Doctor]

What are people who own 2 systems (or all three) supposed to do?
and HD-DVD beating Blu-Ray in EU you got a link on that or is it another stand-alone players lead?

[kurruptor]

PS1, released 9/1995, discontinued 3/2006

nearly 11 years there bud

or if you want to look at games, the last game release was 8/2004... so even there you 9 years of new software being produced

and games were made for PS1 for 4 years after the PS2 was released... so you really cant say that the PS2 won't last 2 more years

[Snake_Doctor]

"Its a stand alone player lead, you know the important lead" why not say HD-DVD is beating Blu-Ray everywhere then?

Counting only standalone players is like MS saying they have cornered the MP3 market excluding ones that start with the letter 'i'.

Toshiba: Suckers, your PS3 BR playing device does not stand alone in its definable box therefore it doesn't exist.

[SILV3R_]

I agree about PS3 but not with the HD format war. Still to early to say Blu-ray will win.

[midgard229]

360 is only ahead because it had one year head start, and considering that it isnt doing so well, i mean sales could be up because the 360's stopped working *shrugs. im not a fanboy, i have a ps3 and will get a 360, but what stopped me from getting a 360 is its failure rate, i know like 12 people who had their 360's fry, not to mention all the stories. i'll wait till they release the batch that works.

my girlfriend has a 360 and thank goodness it still works (knock on wood) but yeah, 360 is doing ok. it'll get better after august. but i actually cant think of any exclusives that are coming out soon except for halo 3 and bioshock....hmmm can any of ya???

[witchking]

Mass Effect, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Ace Combat 6, PGR4, Eternal Sonata, GTA IV with its extra content, Halo Wars, Alan Wake, Too Human, Fable 2, Culdcept Saga.

Not to mention the very real likelihood of a Crackdown 2 and a Gears of War 2.

[midgard229]

DANG ni feel dumb, i forgot bout eternal sonata, blue dragon and lost oddesy, lol i feel dumb, yeah 360 has good games, the only prob is its self destruction rate

[aiphanes]

And they only just got to 11.6 million...The Wii has been out 8 months and they are at 8 million...and the PS3 has been out for 8 months and they are at 4 million...

We already know nintendo will redesign the Wii by next christmas...Sony will redesign the PS3 by end of next year too...Microsoft will have to..make the Xbox 360 more reliable and better looking...slimmer?

HD-DVD is dead...microsoft can not go bluray till the Xbox 720...they will not add it to the Xbox 360....

Now microsoft could get the balls and do something out of the ordinary and put in the HD-DVD in the redesigned reliable 65 nm chipset Xbox 360...this would give HD-DVD a lifeline...but we all know it too late for this...

Sony and Nintendo have it locked up...Nintendos main problem is they have no games..they can not compete against Sony next year...Casual games are good and all but a lot of people really want to play Killzone 2 and Halo 3...and they want something more than what nintendo offers in their MIIs....Playstation Home takes care of this..The ultimate casual games are building into it....

After 1 year...Playstation Home will kill xbox live and microsoft knows it...Sony has been working on HOME for over 3 years....it is not something they just came up with...

After Halo 3 what does microsoft have? I can only see Gears of War 2...but we all know it is going to be as short as Gears of War 1 because of the limited disc space of the DVD...You can only compress so much...Buy the time that game comes out...God of war 3 will be out and so will Resistance Fall of Man 2...

[aiphanes]

They will still support the PS3 in 10 years...By then bluray will be quadlayer and 200 GB per disc...and microsoft will have abandoned hardware design and go back to what they know best...software design...Apple and Sony will be in a partnership for the PS4...

[Salvadore]

360 might not last 10 years because MS never planned it to be one, but it can last for a long time if they release a Blu-Ray drive for it, put a price drop on the harddrive and fix the issues the console has. Whola, you got yourself atlest a console which can last longer then 5 years.

[Makroyale]

Do all you said above, add an Blu Ray drive, add a more powerful processor a new GPU and the 360 will be all set.

[Salvadore]

When BR wins the format race, MS can release an external BR drive like they did for HDDVD. Where did you get the information about " add a more powerful processor a new GPU" from?

[Salvadore]

When BR wins the format race, MS can release an external BR drive like they did for HDDVD. Where did you get the information about " add a more powerful processor a new GPU" from?

[JCDenton]

Sony's PRs sound EXACTLY the same like SEGA's PRs a year before Dreamcast was abandoned by Developers... Not saying that it's going to happen to PS3, but it's just worth mentioning...

There is NO WAY that PS3's gonna stay 10 years on market alone against Micro$oft and Nintendo. In 4-5 years from now, Xbox 720 and Wii 2 (or whatever) will be on market, and PS3 will be obsolete. Sony will stick to their plan - 10 years life-cycle - but 5-6 years from now, we'll be probably looking at PS4...

[BIadestarX]

The average lifespan for consoles is 5-6 years before the same company released another console. The Playstation 3 may still be selling 10 years from now... but Sony is not being very specific about this... selling where? The PS2 keep selling for one main reason... the PS3 price... that's all.. if the PS3 would be cheaper people would not buy a PS2 since the PS3 can play PS2 games and the PS2 would only be selling in those countries where the PS2 is now cheap enough for them to afort it.
Microsoft never promised that the xbox 360 was going to be around 10 years from now. Sony did. I will be happy if microsoft releases another console in 2-3 years... that would be 5-6 years wich is the average of any console... after that.. microsoft could drop the price of the XBox 360 to $99 and milk it like Sony is doing with the PS2 and make it available in countries where they can't afort a $400 machine which probably be the cost of the xbox 720.
It's obvious that Sony does not want to release another console for a while; blu-ray was a big investment... and it will be years before they make that money back... they can't just bring another console and start losing even more money... To microsoft on every iteration of xbox it gets easier.. as they get more experience.... XBox live is already stablished.. and they will not have the same problem they had with the BC. I will own a PS3 so... if Sony promises 10 years.. that's great.
To be honest with you.. I think that would be a good thing.. so we don't have to be fighting over which console is better.
If Microsoft and Sony alternate their console releases.. we can have them all...
Example: Microsoft releases a new console in 2009... we all buy it... and then Sony releases their in 2012... that means that we will always have a console that can almost match the PC in terms of power and not be too far behind.
Will never happen... but I think most of us can afort a console every 3-4 years... and we wouldnt have that much drama.. and Sony and microsoft would make their money.... Why do they have to launch their consoles head to head?

[aiphanes]

Anything is said bad about you..i take it back...and i I will give you bubbles no matter what..I have all 3 consoles and they are all good in their own ways...and I agree with you on what you said.

Somebody said their phone would be more powerfull than the PS3 in 10 years...damn if that happens that would be so cool...but then the PS4 would be 1000 times more powerfull than that phone...

LOL

[jlytle1234]

does it seem pathetic when these guys criticize the competitor? This guy and peter moore should shut the hell up.

[Odion]

Also everyone needs to stop complaining about the dam 1 year lead, the PS2 had it and its one of the main reasons it won, this generation is looking like the last, the middle priced, second most powerful system is winning.

[JCDenton]

PS2 didn't have 1 year lead. It had 1 year lead comparing to Xbox and GameCube, but Dreamcast was the first next-gen last-gen. Also, PS2 was more powerful than Dreamcast, but was weaker than both Xbox and GameCube. PS2 was priced correctly and it was the cheapest DVD player around...

[witchking]

Let's face it, with 3 competitors in the field now, the 10 year plan is not viable.

Nintendo will have to ship a souped-up Wii in the next 2 years. Heck, Americans all have to go to a digital TV by 2009... how are the games gonna look on those sets?

Microsoft has never stated they have a 10 year plan. Never been in their outlook. They're perfectly happy coming out with hardware, reasonably priced, every 5 or 6 years. They decided not to tack on Blu-Ray in this gen, keep their price lower than PS3, and they're reaping the benefits of that (early on). But seriously, by the time 2011 rolls around, we're all gonna be staring at what the PC games look like in awe, and the consoles will need to go through another update.

The PS3 might last 8 years. Might. The PS2 has lasted that long, but now the software is drying up, as developers turn their attention to the new gen stuff. I suspect that Sony will have to understand that turning the crank more frequently but with fewer bells and whistles is a strategy that their competition is going to go with.

[kewlkat007]

I don't believe in a ten year plan, as I've been saying. Technology moves way too fast. As a console, I want the latest at an affordable price every 6 years.

***************************** ****************************** * ************
10 years ago, do you know what kind of technology that was in most PC's?

**1997**
a. -166 MHz and 200 MHz Pentium processors with MMX multimedia extension instructions. Bus speed is 66 MHz. They incorporate 4.5 million transistors."

For notebooks..
b. -150 MHz and 166 MHz Pentium processors for notebook computers, with MMX multimedia extension instructions.

**2007**
Well Today this is available..
c.- Core 2 Extreme QX6800 2.93GHz, 4MB cache, 1066MHz FSB..etc

***************************** ****************************** * ***********
As for examples, I can't imagine in 6 years, how faster things will be, and not just processors, memory and all other componenets. I think this is just Marketing, sony PS3 will be around for like 7-8 years of full support. Hey, I maybe be wrong. But good luck.

[Odion]

Ya and tech has been slowed down the last couple of years, Quad and 8 core processors are being taliored for public use soon and 4 gigs of ram is about to become the new norm!

[kewlkat007]

I just got a Quad-core QX6600, 3GB RAM, PC and upgrading my GPU, when Crysis comes out. So yeah, I think I'm somewhat future-proof. at least for the next 4 years.

8 core Processers, who would of thought eh..just sick.

[Mighty Boom]

Does this guy com from another fu**ing planet or something!? This is what you call damage control.

[Nervsys]

Perhaps the PS3 needs a ten year life span so that there are at least a couple of good games available for it.

The rest of us will be playing with xbox720 or something. Whatever it is, it will blow the PS3 away in 10 years. In fact in 10 years my phone will probably be more powerful that an PS3.

[CNIVEK]

By 2016, Apple could have a 200 GB iPhone, with the power of 4 Macs, for only $799.99! :D

[timmyp53]

he represents their gaming division well. This is just flame.

[Bullseye]

Doh! Wrong thread.

[CNIVEK]

Last gen, Sony promised the Moon and Stars with the Emotion Engine, claiming the PS2 would be a home entertainment hub for the next decade, providing visuals never before achievable.

Then the XBOX comes out and dumps all over the PS2 visuals, using standard PC components.

The PS2 was NEVER able to achieve graphics like the XBOX, even with late titles like MGS3, SoTC, and GOW2; Ninja Gaiden, Thief:DS, Riddick and Splinter Cell: CT dumped all over those games...and came out MUCH earlier. Yet, Sony is still milking the PoS2, and ruining next-gen gaming in the process (Stuntman: Ignition is the latest crappy PS2 port to grace next-gen consoles).
MS wisely moves on to their next platform, so they can improve upon what they learned from the inaugural XBOX, and made a no-apologies, clean break from the outdated Box. Thank you for caring about the quality of games, MS.

Fast forward to today, when the scenario is eerily similar to before, except that MS had the 1-year headstart, instead of Sony.
The 360 has proven to be at least equal to, if not better in some cases, to the overhyped Cell-driven PS3 hardware. Sony once again overpromised with the PS3, showing bogus CGI to the world with games like Motorstorm, KZ2, Tekken 6, DMC4, etc back in 2005. MS, on the otherhand, showed nothing but REAL games, even repeating the Halo 1 faux pas, by showing rough PDZ and Too Human footage, rather than wait until they were ready. With FNR3, PGR3, Kameo, Oblivion, GRAW, Gears, Lost Planet, etc., MS showed fairly early why they dropped the XBOX, with no apologies.
However, they wasted little time in hinting at a 360 successor, and will likely follow through with a PC/Cell-beating successor within 4 years time. They NEVER mentioned a 10-yr. strategy, because they knew the PC would be leaving the 360 and Cell behind withing 2-3 years. Their next console will need to be 4-6 cores, 1-2 gigs of RAM, and will likely use a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray hybrid, or even Holographic disc technology as a storage medium. Sony, on the otherhand, will still be milking Cell, and pushing Blu-Ray, until at least 2016.

So, Mr. Dilleweed, you're correct: the 360 isn't sustainable for 10 years...and MS knew that going in. You see, they aren't arrogant enough to believe ANYTHING in the electronics industry is "future proof"; hell, after 3 years, most "new" tech is obsolete. Sony SHOULD understand that, since THEY are the big, bad tech gurus, who've been doing R&D for decades now; problem is, there's a double-edged sword at work, that forces them to stick with said technologies too long, so they can recover their costs, and make a huge profit down the road. That's all well and good....but the end user suffers from it. Give MS credit for paying attention to what gamers want, and not the shareholders.

[unbiased]

There is no way on earth people will be playing 360 in 2016

[Morratut]

MS isn't bothered about blu-ray or hd-dvd. 9GB DVD's are fine for GAMES. I have yet to see a 360 game on 2 discs. If it does then oh lord lets put another disc in. ::SHOCK:: You know I hated RE4 when I had to put the 2nd disc in on my GC.

This guy is full of it. I will be playing my nice new shiny Xbox 3 in 3 to 4 years anyway.

I own a 360 and a PS3 but I have to admit MS are doing great things whilst Sony are just full of sh1t.

Blu-Ray does nothing for games.

[TruthHurts]

"With the Xbox 360 you’ve got an inconsistent design, some have a harddrive, some don’t, and none of them have Blu-Ray, and the HD DVD will be out of business in a matter of months"

if you think this in anyway isn`t true you have SERIOUS problems.

lets go over it.
1.360 has hardware issues. CHECK.
2.Only some have a harddrive. CHECK.
3.No 360 has BLURAY (regardless of how you feel about it) CHECK.
4.BLURAY is definitly beating HD-DVD. CHECK.

so whats this about him being ARROGANT.
Stop looking for reason to HATE Sony.

@no biz

Iam EXTREMLY biased. BUT,that doesn`t change what i said.
like it or not, its the truth.

and YES, ps3 will catch the 360 and it won`t happen overnight.
but you know as i know this e3 helped them ALOT.

@Morratut
Yes, they are TRYING to sort it out.
but it does change the past/present.

Yes, 360 has more games right now.
but, we all know PS has it ALOT of GREAT games coming starting w/ LAIR.

it doesn`t change w/ ive/he said.

[Morratut]

Yes the 360 has had some problems with the hardware but MS are sorting it out.

Mine has a harddrive so I don't care about anyone elses. It hasn't affected the development of games has it? The 360 still has the best looking game currently.

I'm glad my 360 doesn't have blu-ray. I don't want a film format in my console making any more expensive than needed. I've got my console for games, simple.

I don't care for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray neither does MS. Films are going to be downloaded in the near future. MS are releasing the video marketplace. It will be Itunes but for films.

You can keep the crappy physical media. It's not needed in games yet. Oh by the way this is where you say 'yeah but Resistance xxGBs'. I say yes the data was uncompressed and duplicated because of the slow bluray drive, you know to keep it fast.

[nobizlikesnowbiz]

Your extremely biased. Your opinions won't sell PS3's.

Be honest with yourself. PS3 still has a very much uphill struggle, just to get back into the race with the 360.

[TruthHurts]

i cant believe you look at it like that.

OK
1st- "As for new media format Blu ray- Hd-dvd has nothing to do with games,they store the same info as a dvd9 just more of it"

ok, why aren`t they still using Cds then? their cheaper and faster.
storage VERY VERY much matters.
compression is a tool, not a way of life.
if so we`d still be using CDs.
every new system has NEW storage. DVD is not a GODSEND.
So, id rethink that.

2nd- "Hard drives, technically the 360 was designed to not need one"

not true.
in open world games the harddrive will be the only thing allowing them to be on 360, in years to come.

you can`t streaming open worlds (sandbox games) off mulitple discs.
that why GTA said the 360 held back their dev.
people w/ a core system will MOSTLIKELY not play GTA4.

So, i understand you love for 360 but, you are completly INCORRECT.
the 360 is not a bad system,they just made bad choices (in the long run)

the 360 is for where videogames are at.
the ps3 is for where videogames are going.

[Morratut]

The reason why we aren't using CD now is because we would have games which are what 7 to 10 discs? That would be silly. We aren't not at that stage with games and DVDs.

The only reason why Sony put in Blu-Ray was for films. No game driven reason why we need Blu-Ray or HD-DVD yet.

The PS3 is a similar beast to the 360. The PS3 has no ace up it's sleeve. The PS3 is no super machine. The 360 and PS3 are very similar in power.

Yes the hard drive wasn't included by MS in one SKU which still astounds me to this day. However I bet the vast majority do. Developers know this and can plan ahead i'm sure.

[Daz]

10 year thing i agree with but was 360 going to last ten years anyway. i think microsoft said 5 or 6 years not 100% sure.
Also it seems blue-ray in winning but it might take while to change from dvd to blue-ray.

[TheExecutive]

there is no way that it will last 6 yrs... I think its got 2 left and in '09 they show off a new xbox.

[chrisin3]

Embracing new technology is always a good thing. 8 Core Processors are here. Learning to develop using the PS3’s architecture and technology is difficult; however, that just makes the developers better at what they do.
When you have to write more complex code to do something in the game and to harness more technology, you become more proficient at coding in general. Even though it's a hassle at first, you always learn to appreciate it in the end. They go back to do something that was once hard, and it’s suddenly that much easier. People experience this in other facets of life as well. There are many developers out there who like a challenge. They are the ones who will push the hesitant developers along. Things are shaking up...that's assured.

The PS3 may not last 10 years, but the PS2 is still popular at 6 years. It's not that large of a stretch, but it may not go the whole 10.

To say gamers aren't annoyed at the Xbox 360's hardware failure rate is untruthful.

He may have overstepped his boundaries with what he said, but gaming business execs are always saying controversial things--it defines the gaming genre.

[Bullseye]

you know what? On the first point about the standard hdd, i agree one hundred percent.Microsofts biggest mistake was to release a hdd-less 360 machine.Regarding the 10 year life cycle argument,everyone knows its not MS's intention to have a 10 year life cycle,so that's a mute point.Besides, I personally think any console will not go beyond a 5-6 year cycle in technology terms, at least.I don't know why ,but Sony's thinking on many issues relating to next-gen consoles seems, a bit odd!
If you buy a latest spec T.V, it may well last beyond 5 years, but most people would like the new technology screens by that time and doesn't that thinking apply to most electrical and electronic goods?I think we are gonna see some really good s/w from the PS3 over the coming years, but lets face it, in terms of graphics power and technology, next-gen consoles are already 'old hat'As for memory, you can buy a compact flash card with way more memory than either of the next-gen consoles have! I know some Sony guys are thinking, but it doesn't mean Sony won't release a PS4 before the 10 years.Well, in that case,whats the point of the 10 year argument at all?

[consolecrusader]

Some say "Well I am not going to be playing the 360 for 8-10 years."

Why not?

Ok so as a consumer your ok with paying $400-$480 for a 360, then in 3 years they come out with a better console and paying for it again? That is not the way the game industry should be run. Companies need to gives us 6-8 years at best with each console. Microsoft is a dirty farmer milking at the tit of the cow, us the consumers. They keep trying to come out with new gadgets every 3 years thinking it is like the PC industry where a new computer comes out every 3 months.

I am happy knowing PS3 will drive my entertainment for the next 8 years.

[Bullseye]

i'm sure as hell not saying i won't be playing my 360 or PS3 in ten years time, of course i will. Hell i still play my Atari 'woody'from time to time,but predominantly, i play my 360 (don't have a PS3 yet),because its capable of giving me the most immersive experience currently available on a home console.When MS releases a new console in three or so years time, i'll be waiting and ready for the new gen and unbelievable s/w that will bring. C'mon, in reality 5-6 years is plenty for a games console.Anyway,if people didn't want one that soon they wouldn't buy it would they? Question,do you still have your 6 year old PS2? So why the PS3 then?

[BerkleyJ]

@CNIVEK

Last gen, Sony promised the Moon and Stars with the Emotion Engine, claiming the PS2 would be a home entertainment hub for the next decade, providing visuals never before achievable.

Then the XBOX comes out a year later and less than maybe equal to PS2 visuals, and using sh###y games no one liked.

The XBOX was NEVER able to achieve gameplay as good as PS2, But the CT's graphics dumped all over those games...but and the gameplay sucked. Heck, Sony is still selling the PS2, and still releasing games for it in the process (Stuntman: Ignition is the latest crappy Xbox port to grace next-gen consoles).
Sony wisely moves on to their next platform, so they can improve upon what they learned from the inaugural 2 past consoles unlike MS, and made a no-apologies, clean break from the outdated Box. Thank you for caring about the quality of games, Sony.

Fast forward to today, when the scenario is eerily similar to before, except that MS had the 1-year headstart, instead of Sony.
The PS3 has proven to be greater than, if not way better than, to the overhyped standard pc hardware 360. PS3 With FNR3, GT4, LittleBigPlanet, Oblivion, GRAW2, KZ2, RFOM, etc., Sony showed Microsoft fairly early why microsoft's console is losing the console war, with no apologies.
However, they wasted little time in hinting at a PS3 successor, and will likely follow through with a PC/Cell-beating successor within 5 years time. They NEVER mentioned a 10-yr. strategy, because they knew the PC would be leaving the PS3 and Cell behind withing 2-3 years. Their next console will need to be 6-8 cores, 4-6 gigs of RAM, and will likely still use a Blu-Ray, or maybe Holographic disc technology as a storage medium. Microsoft, on the otherhand, will still be milking standard pc hardware, and pushing already lost HD-DVD, until at least year 6257.

Cnivek you say the oringinal xbox won because it had better graphics and came out a year later. But now you say the Ps3 lost because it had better graphics and came out a year later. Your messed up in the head. btw i have both consoles dont hate or like either more than the other. 360 Nothing beats TDU and FMS2. But You also cant beat Motorstorm and RFOM

[e-ray]

I can't see the HD-DVD dying that quickly, especially the way it's outselling Blu-Ray in Europe (3 to 1). However, I do believe that in order to have better gaming, they're going to need more space on their discs (case in point: MGS4). Only having DVD's for their games really restricts many game makers' ability to make games that stand out from the competition.

Regardless, Peter Dille doesn't have much class going about this in such a way...

[BerkleyJ]

Since the release of the Ps3 in Europe and the UK Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD like 5 to 1 or something I read

[e-ray]

HD-DVD players are outselling Blu-Ray players in Europe, 3 to 1. Check your stuff before you make yourself out to be an idiot.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...

[lalaland]

They quote sales of "standalone-players" , of which there are very few Blu-ray players available in Europe at this point in time. And more importantly they are excluding the PS3 in that "study".

As someone else pointed out on this thread, that is like MS claiming they've nailed the portable MP3-player market, excluding any players starting with an "i".

Blu-ray is beating HD-DVD in Europe. And in the US. And in Japan.

[vitaminjayz]

right to put an end to all this xbox 360 vs ps3

ive had a 360 and apart from more games it has nothing compared to the possibilities are endless and i got so fed up with 3 ring of lights on 4 xbox 360,s ive moved over .

anyway as for the 10 year backup i think sony will be there longer for the customer than microsoft just take past history psone only stopped production of the console and software 4 years ago and the console came out 1994 ,then we have the ps2 production started in 1999-2000 they are still selling ps2 and games now the new pink console and now new games like the new harry potter and transformers have been developed just check the xbox and ps2 on www.game.co.uk and see for ur self no new games for xbox but new stuff for ps2 .

this is cos sony cares about supporting there products and user base

i think long term sony will come out ahead .

so flame me u xbox fanboys but u have no ground for ur blindness do not judge before you have played on a ps3 and ps3 has only been out 5 months and some great stuff is coming out already the 360 has been out for just under 2 years and all you lot talk about is gears of war and halo 3 ..........well by end of the year we will be talking about lots more than 2 games ..

i rest my case ..

[BerkleyJ]

All those 360er's looking for instant gradification or just dont have the extra hundred bucks to afford a better system are either blind or lieing to theirself in the end it will all blow up in their face

[Morratut]

I have both consoles.

I currently play my 360 a lot more than my PS3. It has the best selection of games, the best online network.

I can't wait to see all this untapped potential of the PS3 come to fruition. Upto now though I don't see anything on the PS3 which can't be done on the 360. Nothing Sony has shown me makes me believe my PS3 is a super super console compared to my Xbox 360.

I keep myself firmly rooted in reality.

[sabbath420]

sony is so damn arrogant and self righteous it's pathetic. This is why I despise the sony corp. I will never argue that they helped change gaming for the better and that they do make some great games but I have not bought a sony product of any kind since the ps1 because of the lies and arrogance. 10 years my ass.ps3 wont keep up with 10 years of tech changes. hddvd dead in months, what is this guy smoking and how can sony keep letting reps spew bullcrud.

[BerkleyJ]

But HD-DVD is Dieing and fairly rapidly at that do some research

[Scions Wrath]

I have a 360 and PS3 and overall considering most things - im with PS3. A good article.

[razer]

I also own both systems and my 360 gets played a hell of a lot more than my PS3. While the PS3 feels thrown together software wise and online wise the 360 feels well thought out and unified. The PS3 is going to need a 10yr life cycle to catch up in those areas (j/k). I do think MS's biggest mistake is not having an HDD in every machine and I do think that MS has some PR work to do with reassuring their existing customers and potential customers that the 360 hardware issues are being fixed and are already fixed in a lot of cases and if there is a problem they offer the best warranty of any console.

But this guy is the reason why I've always not liked Sony. Their stupid arrogance is what has landed them square in last place and although it's great the they are now saying "It's about the games". They should of focused that message more from the start like MS did. This person needs to give MS more credit because they are stomping a mud hole in the PS3 and even KZ2 ain't gonna save it.

[Kokoro]

But the HD-DVD dead in 2 months is kinda rough, I mean, you never what may come out.

[uxo22]

I don't beleive that sony will even try to carry the ps3 for 10 years as their main console. They may expect it to be around that long, but by then they will have already made a newer gen console. This guy is blowing smoke, it's one of the oldest tricks in the trade. He wants you to buy a PS3 with the thought in mind that it will last you forever, and it just may, but will the support be there from developers (The big boys) in ten years, if Ninetendo and MS creates newer generations in 5 years? I think they'll just and leaving you holding the ball. Also when he said that some xboxs have HD and some don't, technically that's true, but all xboxes are Hard drive ready. That comment IMO is really just smoke. In ten years I believe that BLU-Ray and HD will be destroyed be digital distrubution.

Am I the only that feel that at the same time Sony is pushing Blu-ray, they are also starting to look at digital distro especially with the introduction of the 80 gig model of the ps3. It's like a girl telling you that she likes you, but the other guy is getting all the kisses..lol

Anyway, although I love my PS3, I am keeping a close eye on Sony, cause I'm not sure they care about anything but winning and making money. For them the customer is secondary. Also, where the hell are my demos. Is this asking too much?

I'm not trying to bash the PS3 it's a GREAT console, Be for those who are loyal to Sony just because their Sony, yep I am bashing Sony. I have been screwed by them with Vaio laptop warranties at the job on too many occassions. I will NEVER trust them as a company ever again.

[BerkleyJ]

Demos comming: Madden, Skate, Heavenly sword those are the ones coming very soon and my personal favorite littlebigplanet demo but who knows when that will be

Sony will bring out a new console they will just continue to sell Ps3 as long as its still selling kinda like ps2

pleasing customers and making money are proly equally balance at sony as they are fairly broke

[sabbath420]

Not only demos but why can't the ps3 play music from in game? that was a big deal to me last gen. And now it is a seamless process on the 360.

[uxo22]

Does anyone know if they are going to make the PS3 Divx compatable? I get a log of "format not supported" error when I try to view different movie formats. I hope that fix that soon.

[airforcex]

This 10 year concept is a way for them to justify losing to MS. I would be pissed if in 5 years MS doesn't como up with a better machine. What you fail to see is that MS forced SONY to enter the next gen market before they wanted or needed to. By doing this, SONY is now playing catch up, and failing to do so. And to the little boys that keep saying that PS3 games look better than 360; the only game to do this was Oblivion. R6V, GRAW 2, Splinter Cell, Fight Night, etc. etc. look better on 360, acording to 1up, Gamepro, Gamespot, etc. When I buy an Ipod I want my music now, not in 08. If the good games aren't coming till 08, why is the PS3 even in the market? So they can whine about third parties? Also, who plays PS1 games today? The ten year concept is their way to justify to investors their evident loses.

[airforcex]

So you are part of the PS3 religion. Faith that someday the promises will be fulfilled. Yes, when you buy something you want instant gratification. Did you even go to school? Name another product you would pay $600 for so that you can use in a year or so. If you bought a PS3, good for you. But don't come up with stupid arguments. You buy a Blu-Ray player to watch movies today, not in a year. Isn't this the reason HD-DVD is dying; content? Apply the same rules to your PS3.

[airforcex]

So is the 360. But accept the facts. The 360 is selling more, has the most games, and the better looking ones. This is similar to PS1 vs Saturn, and kinda like PS2 vs Xbox. Embrace the fact that PS3 has the better movie format, and all the nice things it has. Embrace the fact that the 360 is and will sell better for a several years. And if the Xbx720 comes out in 5 years and you want to keep playing old gen, that's your choice. In five years I'll be buying the next gen, like I've done since the NES days.

[fopums]

this man is hardly competent enough to be in his current position at SONY, Im a huge SONY supporter and I dont condone his openly attacking the 360 thats arrogant and stupid.

though he's spot on about hd-dvd, but thats not even news, every one all ready knows blu ray is winning and 360's dont have built in hd-dvd drives so if or when hd-dvd goes out its not like thats a real big deal for 360 owners, MSOFT could very well relase a blu-ray player and he would be eating his own words.

[WANDA]

Sounds like a corporate puppet to me.

Look, HD DVD Blu-Ray doesn't mean anything.
All sony has to do is make sure Blu-Ray doesn't fail.
Microsoft couldn't care at all about HD DVD.

Digital Distribution is the future anyway. Look what iTunes and Napster did for music.
6GB movies can easily be downloaded with faster internet (I live in japan and have fiber optic HERONET)

The 360 isn't meant to be some technological orgy of endurance. Apparently the PS3 is... Okay, so in 8 years I should be able to buy one for $50 dollars or less, based on the price plummet of EVERY CONSUMER ELECTRONIC EVER. Great sony, that's cool that you can last so long. I hope you do, defy history or marketing, maybe defy gravity. But I'm not buying the 10 year plan.

This PR is ridiculous. I have a 360, and as much as I don't care about "console wars", I have to point out the obvious:

OWNING A 360 is better than OWNING a PS3 right now.
And I'm only worried about now, later I'll worry about later.

And hope to god I don't die from my cocaine/guitar hero binges before I get to see the PS4 50-year plan.

[razer]

Well said! And you are in JAPAN??? WOW!! That really says a lot since the 360 doesn't seem to be well recieved there.

[Zinswin]

One of the most scathing and truthful comments so far. You have spoken the truth.

[Master of Menace]

More and more people are being put off by 360's breakdowns. I alone know several people who have dropped their 360's for PS3 and are not looking back. Let's face it, if your not happy with your XBOX 360 what is the next alternative, a Wii? Please don't kid yourself. PS3 is the only other choice for HD console gaming. And the PS3 has proven itself to be a quality product. So now people aren't just paying the extra money for all that extra functionality. They are paying for the quality. Who wants a console that has a 1000 game library, if it's going to breakdown, or possibly breakdown while your playing them. This is something everyone's overlooking. Microsoft's reputation is in tatters, and it's only the hardcore keeping it alive. Sony is going to take advantage of this. It would be wrong not to! Ps, sales figures in Australia!

[WANDA]

Australia?

Here let me try...

Democracy is obviously not as good as communism, remember CHINA!
See, SEE CHINA!!! w00t

Xbox breakage is not a big deal. It's covered. Microsoft is giving everyone 3 year warranties, and the 360 isn't 3 years old yet. No breakdown is not yet covered, or reimbursed.
If there are 1000 games for a systems and it breaks while i'm playing it, i'll just turn it in a get a new one.

Your name is "master of menace" and you attached pictures of hellboy, that means your friends must suck and their opinions only counts as much as dille.

Just kidding but seriously, in the casual gamer market, breakdowns aren't nearly as important as price.

When's the last time your mom bought verbatim discs because memorex broke down?
She wouln't know or care.

[airforcex]

Why do SONY fans come up with fake arguments? People being discouraged? Last time I checked it was 2:1, with 360 having sold almost 12 millions versus 3.6 on the Sony side. Why don't you guys wait and see; if in a month from now things change, you would have a strong argument. But all I see here is people making stuff up. Saying that PS3 games look better, which is not the case. Talking about momentum, when the system sold only 82k last month. Even if they sell 120k this month, you must remember that the PS3 had a backward momentum for a while. Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD isn't even a factor. People don't care about this, and neither does MS. External drive? Statements about how the 360 could do Blu-Ray if needed. Hint, hint...The 360 is about games, and so far they are kicking butt in this regard. Say what you want, but people wont buy a $600/$500 dollar system, even if it drives your car. SONY dug it's own whole. Maybe $100 bucks cheaper would change things. The facts are clear. Accept the facts; things could change in 08. Who knows. Stop making stuff up.

[airforcex]

LOL,

When the sun is in the right angle, and the moons falls from the sky, and Lord Third Party embraces the 3, then games will look better. He who plays cool games now knows nothing of the cool PS3 game that will ship in 2017.

[gta_cb]

dont really know what to say about this, i know that there is more chance that BluRay will win as PS3 has a built in drive, where as the HD-DVD is an add on, but i was actually considering buying a HD-DVD because of the recent news of no PS3 price cut in the UK. guess im gonna have to hold off even longer to finally start up a HD-DVD/BluRay collection

[Erocket76]

I guess all these 360 fans have all day to post on here because there Console is in the shop. It's funny how fear will make people get on message boards to defend there choice. I am so glad I didn't waste my money on that piece of......... Whatever the 360 price is, plus all the money to add on everything just for HALO!??!?!! I let my little cousins with HALO 2 play Resistance and they all liked Resistance better. I love how M$ shoots their whole load on HALO!!!!!! I almost p-ss'd myself laughing when they pulled out that Puke Green 360 and the crowd just got silent. WAY TO GO M$!!!!!! What a huge announcement!!!!!!!!

[gta_cb]

welcome to n4g.com (as it says you joined 3 hours ago.

now my personal opinion is that you are either a complete idiot as the Xbox 360 isnt a "piece of........." and also there not all in the shops, i have had mine since Octoboer 2006 and havnt had a single issue with it, also IF mine does break, i have a 3 year warrenty on it oh and guessing that from all the Sonyfanboys that are in here, they wont last long after 12months, so i am covered, also wanna make clear im not a MSfanboy, and i plan to get a PS3 sometime this year (prob at christmas time) so when i see a comment like yours, i just wanna say your full of sh!t.

[WANDA]

Wait... Hold on, little cousin opinions count toward something now?
In that case...

Your mom and every woman over the age of zero has cooties.

Don't you know how silly you sound?
Yes, the Halo 3 Console is hideous.
When was the crowd not silent?

My console isn't in a shop, and hasn't been. Ever.
No, the PS3 will not marry you.

[progx]

Sony making all these stupid moves, still no games, ridiculous price.

EDIT: @94: because it doesn't have any games...

[God of Gaming]

Well just like last gen.. Xbox 1 was a more powerful system in all areas over the PS2 and we all know how that battle ended.

Its all about games... thats all that matters.

[daveman3]

he speaks the truth, now xbox 360 fanboys lash out with stupid comments like ps3 has no games

[Ashira]

Is it just me, or does this Sony employee seem really arrogant? I won't comment much on the whole 360 vs PS3, but this guy seems to have a problem with anything that's not PS3.
Come on! The whole world is not revolving around the PS3! Give some credit to someone/something else than your own.

[psycho360]

IF SONY keep saying this B$ and have the same arrogance, they might not last 10 years themselves let alone their consoles.

[Boink]

their arrogance is why they are in so much trouble in the first place.

you had a good e3 sony, but you are no position to trash talk yet...

[GTProwler]

I enjoy all this fanboy brawling that this site has, you all should start a church or something and build golden statues of all these people you so back up. If M$ losses money to repair consoles, so what? its not coming out of my pocket and the only reason fanboys should be greatfull that there is competition because we probably wouldnt have such powerfull consoles today. Well at least that what I think and to all fanboys, no I dont have a link to back it up.

[Stiffler203]

what is this big head mother fuker talking about. Both formats aren't popular at all no one whats to bring in the picture that Standard DVD sales are smashing both formats. I'm out like a scout on a new route!

[indabayou]

Who wants to play a system for the next 10 years...with all its outdated software and technology....Microsoft doesn't want its system to last 10 years b/c MS understands that consumers get bored playing systems with the same old graphics and we want new technology after about 5 years of your product and Nintendo understands that also....if you want to play old games then the companies will make sure that all there old games are backwards compatiable or something like that.....personally i don't want anything technology wise for 10 years....i love getting my hands on new technology and love to play with it....so i love the idea of getting a new Xbox 5 or 6 years after the old has come out...it gives you something to look forward to....this man forgot about Nintendo and how good they can be with there consoles......i don't know who called these new consoles next gen but i think that they were wrong for doing that....i think that they should be called mid-gen gaming consoles b/c i don't think that next gen will start until either hd-dvd or blu-ray win the format war...and i think that Nintendo understood that this is not the time for next gen or these are not next gen gaming consoles....and said that we (Nintendo) will wait until 2010 or later to really show you what next gen really is then we will compete with MS and Sony on that level but until then we will make or system fun.....and i say that we will see next gen happen either 2010 or 2011......so i am waiting to see what next gen really looks likes...cross your fingers

[Shaka2K6]

Nothing but the facts xbugs, i see the tears all over the place here.

[iceice123]

Are they expecting a miracle? THe 360 will have dropped price and it will be twice as tough for them.

[psycho360]

Yes facts he read off his toilet paper after taking a dump.

[XXChallengerXX]

This fanboy stuff is getting old, all this ranting, If you all backed up your favourite systems by playing them, and not standing by them, We wouldn't have half this bullshit, I was a 360 fan, Its a great machine, great games, But deep down I have always been a sony fan, and to this day even though I own both I think they are both excellent consoles, Who cares if you have 3-4-5 years whatever, Enjoy the damn thing. the future is bright right now for any Console owner, so why dont we all just get along???

[Maddens Raiders]

"Who cares if you have 3-4-5 years whatever, Enjoy the damn thing. the future is bright right now for any Console owner, so why dont we all just get along???"

..why? Because man has a natural propensity for violence, war-mongering, and pitting faction against faction. (speaking of Faction how about a next-gen Red Faction ~ that game was great>) So naturally when there is a red-hot hobby, lifestyle, occupation, passion, w/e you want to call it as big as gaming, then the aformentioned qualities will surely creep into this forum (gaming) too, as we have all witnessed over the past few years.

When I was growing up, there was a light grumble about Sega vs. Nintendo and who was best. Now it's grown into a full on World War with no end in sight. Yet.

[Eagle Eye]

Peter Dille is a idiot. We will all be playing PS4 and Xbox 720
in 10 years. This whole thread is a joke. I cant see anyone who is sane agreeing with this one. 10 YEARS? Yeah right

Edit: Plus 360 Hd Dvd is only a side dish. Everyone knows 360 life support is regular DVD not HD DVD. And Dvd is not gonna die anytime
soon.

[Whoooop]

but this guy gives me the chills.. He should STFU. I just watch him talk and I'm just waiting for the second he gon screw up.

He talks like a fan and not like a company employee even if his job is to market a product by any means possible.

I don't know why he's the only SONY representative or employee that I don't like to see or hear talking.

PS: I'm PS3 fan and owner..

psn: whoooop6 - I always forget to write my ID. :) add me fu*kers

[Daewoodrow]

Now that's the Sony talk i'm familiar with! That very same attitude that made me decide not to buy a PS3 in the first place. I was wondering how long they could hold their tongue for. Looks like they can't shut up their employees forever afterall.

[Whoooop]

Well I don't like that type of thing either and I really don't like Peter Dille, but that is never going to make me decide to NOT buy their product.

If their past consoles delivered, if the product is good and if you like the Playstation brand, something like employees talking crap shouldn't make you decide not to buy it.. I guess you simply don't like it and the 360 appeals more to you..

But if that's how you feel, well there's nothing we can do, can we??.

[Daewoodrow]

Well, to be fair my opinion was later ratified by a plethora of other reasons. But I wont go into that, nobody comes here to listen to opinionated ranting.
Interesting argument you put forward there though. Is it rational to hate a product because of the behavior of its representatives?
Maybe not. But i'm a proud man, and if I am going to part with a large amount of money, I don't want to be plagued by the thought that the guys who profited are arrogant pricks.

[zedane33]

ITS BECAUSE IT IS A HOME ENTERTAIMENT SYSTEM!

ITS A MULTIMEDIA POWERHOUSE THAT DOES ALMOST ANYTHING

WITH FUTURE FIRMWARE UPDATES, EXPECT THE PS3 WILL NEVER GET OLD

+edit+

why disagree with me? this is whow they market the ps3 right?
well i think blu-ray will also play a mjor role in reaching the ir goal. even if they release the ps4 ps3 will still be around like the ps2 cause they know how to support their product.

[cmrbe]

I am pretty sure the PS4 will be out in another 4-5 years.I think what Sony meant with the 10 year cycle is that they will support PS3 that long before they stop completely. In developing countries like where i live i still see PS1 and alot of PS2 which are mostly use and are still being sold here because generally thats what people here in these parts of the world can afford. I still haven't seen a PS3, Xbox or Wii being sold here. To me this is more of a affirmation that if you buy a PS3 rest assured that Sony will support your investment for 10 years even if you don't buy a PS4. Sony almost did it with PS1 as well as PS2. Hell there are still alot of games coming out for PS2. With the technology they packed into PS3, I don't see any reason why PS3 won't be revelent to third world countries like mine in 10 years time.Sony is a global company that thinks globally and long term.

[Evil Rant Monkey]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think the PS3 has had a great start, or anything that's worth my time right now either. OMG RFOM!!! This 50 year old Dilldo guy thinks that because he has a Blu-Ray drive, the PS3 is going to be better!? Give me a break. This guy wouldn't know a good game if it was eating his mom out! Start releasing some good games (not ports) and a good online service and I'll consider making the investment. In 5 years I'm going to want something better then the PS3 anyways.

[trueltie5]

Does anyone remember Vince Mcmahon trying to start a football league ? Why does the Xbox remind me of it....pull the plug...the Xbox machine sucks...I think Peter Moore himself KNOWS HDDvd is going to be dead and Blu Ray is the winning format. Microsoft should give this up already move on and jump into some other industry...I wonder whats next ...Microsoft Automobiles ?

[kornbeaner]

For all the 360 fans that said his comments are out of line, stop being hypocrites. Aren't you the same fans that were praising Mr. Gates when he commented on how Sony could put their name on bricks and the Japanese would be stupid enough to buy them just cause it said Sony.

This is what takes place in this market, even Reggie Fils-aime talks mess about these 2 companies. But what he speaks is the truth at least for the time being.

Back to Dile's comments. Fact is yeah the 360 is leading the race right now, but the cuts they made to reach that goal does not speak well for the "Hardcore" consumer. The GPU they used is the best out there in any console out now, that includes the PS3's but everything else in the box is out-dated. The DVD format is to small for modern games that will be coming out and the fact that they took a step backwards after they established the whole concept of a HDD being included in console and released a SKU without an HDD leaves developers a little short-handed as far as the added help a HDD brings to production.
The CPU is already out-dated and the box itself has been reported to have a very high number of break-downs. Having games is all well and good(fact thats the best part of the 360) but if the machine is breaking down on a consistent bases and not allowing gamers to play those games or limiting their time with the games then whats the point.

Having a Mercedes is great, but if it's always in the shop what was the point of buying it?

<EDIT> @gogators

Pick your poison, the main point is you have 4 M3's and thats great I wish I could afford those, but you are the exception to the rule. You can afford to enjoy your money, even if that means you might have to invest a little more into those products later on. Financially I am not where I would like to be right now, so I always have to be a little more careful with my money. I have to make sure that whatever I buy right now last me for awhile. And to me that's why a PS3 makes sense. Yeah it's a little more expensive then the competition but all the added features it has (Blu-Ray, WI-FI, Memory card reader, etc) and the reliability that it has shown makes it a safer bet for me. Games are a little scarce at the moment I have owned 5 PS3 game I usally finish them and traded them in and see what else I can grab, but since the 1.80 firmware update I have gone back to playing some PS2 games that I missed or just didn't finish and it works out. Different strokes for different folks I guess but it seems your in a better financial situation to go with more enjoyable product (at least for now it is *360*) then I so more power to you.

P.S. Since you have the money get a Yamaha R1, I ride a FZ6 and let me tell you when you hit open road there is nothing greater.

@sjappie

You know that DVD started as a movie format,right?
the CD format started as a music format.
The fact is there has to be an evolution in storage format.
Not sure if you are old enough to remember times when we used plastic covered memory chips to play our games. The reason why we don't use them any more is because the space for information is limited so is the speed in which a machine can retrieve information from it without causing it to melt before our very eyes is also limited.
I don't care at the end which format wins whether it's blu-ray or hd-dvd. Fact is that this industry has shown throughout history that a bigger format for it's games have been needed in order to give it's consumers the best possible product. If not so why didn't the PS2 and Xbox use a CD format for games? Cause it just wasn't practical. Am not saying that Blu-ray is needed now but games will soon need more space then a DL-DVD and as far as I see it Sony is the only company that has prepared for that move to take place.

[gogators]

but I'd say the 360 is more like an BMW M3. Despite it being in the shop from time to time, sometimes more, it's still hella fun when it's not. I've got 4 of them, and two have gone down and two have not. It's still frustrating when they do, but there's just a corincopia of very good and a handful great games that make it worth it to me.

[sjappie]

MS doesn't care about hd-dvd or bluray, and why would they care. Is the socalled death of hd-dvd gonna have an effect on great games coming on the 360? Hell no, off course not! They're not dependant of hd-dvd.
The fact that you associate a discformat for MOVIES with the alleged downfall of a GAMING company, shows how brainwashed and misinformed you are.

Edit: @ kornbeener: I know what you mean, but it still doesn't matter to MS what happens to hd-dvd, since they have already made the choice of going with the current dvd-drive. And so what if more space is eventually needed? I don't care if I have to change a disc every 30 hours or so. And still great big games fit on dvd as it is, so we'll be fine.

[DFresh]

Sony
Is right about a lot of things more and more people are starting to replace HD DVD w/ Blu-ray and the proof is there.
Sony by far came back with an amazing come back at E3 and it seems to me they won the console battle.
proof from E3:
Microsoft 34%
Sony 46%
Nintendo 20%
That's a 12% lead Sony has achieved
Technology will only improve on all sides in the end even with Microsoft and Nintendo.
Be honest everyone we can't even keep up with the times in electronics anymore.
Sony says 1080P is the new best resolution but in 10 years it will only change to Ultra High Definition from tvs to games we as consumers are only getting robbed for our money.
Remember when the PS2 came out it was $300 now it's $600(after price drop $500) who knows what will happen with the PS4 and gaming consoles.
Even me as a PS2 owner when I heard the PS3 was twice the money I was outraged game consoles are too high now.
I'll still buy it because now I have a job but it's still too much for a consumer to purchase even $400 for the Xbox Elite is still high.
But as a result Sony won but I hope video games never die out ever.

[btkadams]

lol i dont even want to contribute in the flame wars for fear of being eaten alive.

all i can say is that all of his points are totally correct, but you can bring up a lot of points too that say the complete opposite and support 360. just because he says that ps3 is the better option doesnt mean his points are complete bs, he may be bias but his point still makes sense.

but i wouldnt take him too seriously, 360 isn't the failure he may hope it is, its gonna be a great competition for sony

[Stretchystrong]

This dude is a pompous prick. This is why there was so much negativity towards the playstation brand last year. I thought they humbled themselves, this dude needs to be squelched before they get that pompous mentality again.

[Bolts]

The console and the HD format war is far from over. HD-DVD dead in a couple of months? LOL!! Let me know when LOTR and the Star Wars prequels are Blu-Ray excluesives, thats when HD-DVD is really dead.

[AAACE5]

I didn't bother reading everyone elses comments cause there are too many, but I had to speak about this.

The 360 isn't meant to last for 10 years! Basically what MS wanted to do with 360 was create a next-gen platform that was cheap in price. Sony has this idea of a platform that can last for 10 years.

$600 is the number we are looking at here. Now sony would like for you to believe that for that price you will be future proof.

1) The ps2 had all kinds of problems like "Disc Read Error", so people still remember that when they look at the price tag for ps3.

2) They say ps3 will lead by the year 2009, but by that time the new Nintendo and MS console will be coming out.

3) By 2009-10, the ps3 should be about $400. MS new console will have more power than the ps3 and whatever cost effective DVD format is popular at the time... and the price for their new console should be about $400.

4) The worst part about the whole thing is, by that time Nintendo will probably have a console as powerful, or more powerful than the ps3.

5) Don't let these people fool you, technology gets out of date pretty quickly, look at cellphones and computers(about every 6 months, something new comes out), home consoles have a longer lifespan averaged at about 5 years.

In closing..."FUTURE PROOF"...Huh...huh...HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Marketing people are hired basically to get you to believe whatever crap a company wants you to believe. The same goes for MS and Nintendo!

[AAACE5]

Don't worry about HD-DVD and Blu-ray, they will both probably be replaced by new technology by next year! Like the HVD technology, which is said to hold 300GBs of data. Or even the TVD technology. Or something else new.

So sony can boast the blu-ray tech, but I can guarantee you... it won't live past 2010!

[Adamalicious]

OK - when they say 10 year life cycle they DON'T mean 10 years till PS4. They mean that they'll be in production for 10 years. Remember the Playstation? They built them for 10 years. PS2 is on track for the same. As the costs come down and the price comes down these "older" systems take on new life in markets other than Japan, Europe, and North America.

New hardware is always going to be affected by competition. I would think that Sony would like to bring PS4 in say 2013, but who knows what the market will dictate by then - that's what matters ultimately.

[MasterX]

Hey all Ps3, 360 and wii fans.. Follow your heart. Dont let anybody tell you what system to bye.. Like me.. I love my 360. this Dille will be eating his words... Mark my words... ITS GONNA BE A WAR:)

[xionpunk]

The point of the whole 10 year cycle is more about people who want a cheap alternative to the cutting edge. take the ps1 for instance. it launched in '94 in japan (i think)people were still buying them in 2004.
I for one will have moved on to the Playstation 5 that plugs into your skull to play games. I also expect it to dispense magical beer. Hmmmm off topic...

[_--DEEP--_]

although it may very well be around that long , along side the new Box , ever thing of that? hd-dvd and all Online service and dash updates (8) forever and a day(8) forever and a day(8) :-) anyway DLC is where MS wants to go, no matter what drive format is the winner imagine MS bringing Xbox360 and the new box together in the same game no matter which console you brought the game for