Square Choosing Xbox360 Over PS3 Was A Failure

Square Enix is a company that represents the best of the best when it comes to the RPG genre in the game industry. The problem is that Microsoft isn't the definitive console for this type of audience which has left a bad taste with many gamers after the exclusivity of games like Star Ocean, Infinite Undiscovery, and The Last Remant.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Approving this just to see the crapstorm. Past that, don't actually care not one bit.

[Bungie]

hiphopgamer bashing 360 again

what a surprise

OT i think square did a good job supporting both consoles

[doeman]

and i was doing such a good job of avoiding hiphopgamers news articles for 2 months.

[Blaze929]

dammit i REALLY fell for it this time. I need to really start looking at the names that submit these stories now.

[KillaManiac]

Noone can deny that he isn't correct, but we knew about this when SE announced all the exclusives for the 360.

So....thanks for the info we already all knew?

whats next...
"The Wii has alot of shovelware!"
or maybe
"Square Enix to continue making Final Fantasy games!"

its all "duh" information is my point...

[BadboyCivic360]

Nice cover pic, does that mean this article is flame bait?

[FamilyGuy]

Hopefully SE does learn a lesson from all this. There must've been a LOT of money involved to sway SE into failing to make an obvious choice like making their games for the PS3 as well.

Anyone else here picking up Star Ocean 4, despite what critics said about the 360 version?

[Dragun619]

I mean come on, Infinte Undiscovery wasn't even good and it didn't sell well along with The Last Remenant having framerate/load times problems. All three titles didn't sell what was expected not even close considering that Xbox360 had a bigger install base nor did any of them had a good story.

Now, they're trying to make a u-turn by bringing more titles such as Star Ocean IV, Nier, Front Mission,FFXIV, and FFXIII Versus to the PS3. But of course, it doesn't make up for the low quality of games they have been releasing. You know I used to not doubt the quality of their games, but now I have to worry if their games even have a good gameplay or Story.

I'm still looking forward towards FFXIII but I'm really disappointed with the recent hate/ reviews on it. I think Square Enix has really fallen from the position of being a top quality jrpg developer. Maybe Level 5 or another developer can take their spot.

[kaveti6616]

It is so ironic to see fanboys from both sides criticizing HipHopGamer's title choices because most of the time the very same fanboys are prone to saying the same things.

The PS3 fanboys on this site have been saying that Square Enix made a stupid decision by choosing to support 360 more than PS3 for a long time now. I would think you all would agree with him now, instead of saying, "Oh, here comes HHG again..."

[nix]

that's why all of you fell for it. as for the "story", wow! i just learnt a new thing. thank you hhg!

EDIT:

@Dragun619: i think From Software is doing a good job when it comes shelling out great RPG. just look at Demon's Souls. or maybe we all will have to wait until FFVsXIII comes out.

[tordavis]

ok HHG

Worldwide Sales

Star Ocean
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Lost Odyssey which is exclusive to Xbox
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

It will never find a home on PS3. Microsoft financed and published the title. Hironobu has issues with Sony but could create titles for the PS3 if he wanted, just not Lost Odyssey.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

White Knight Chronicles
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Currently sold less than Lost Odyssey sold 110,000 in Japan in 2007. That's amazing considering the installed base.

Folklore
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Infinite Undiscovery
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Last Remnant
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Blue Dragon
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Tales Of Vesperia
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Notice how low and how close the sales are

Eternal Sonata
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Video should have been titled:

Is the JRPG A Dying Breed? Or Is Final Fantasy the WoW of Consoles? Or Will the Japanese Only Spend Money If The Title Has Final Fantasy In It?

Do you research before posting articles like this. Square actually sold more RPG games than the competition. I think JRPG's as a whole are failing on both platforms. Final Fantasy is an anomaly and always will be. Different characters, different stories, same title. You could put Final Fantasy on ANY of the JRPG's that I mentioned and they would have sold more.

[Ravage27]

i don't think anyone can deny that he made some good points.

Star Ocean was the 2nd biggest JRPG franchise after FF and SE made one of the most retarded move this gen by making it a 360-exclusive. Bet they are feeling pretty good about themselves right now...they probably killed the series. Last i checked, it's struggling to hit half a million and while there will be a PS3 release soon, i'm pretty sure it will not attain 50% of what the figure could have been had they chose to make it a ps3-exclusive or multiplat in the first place. It always amuse me when i think of japanese gamers kicking SE in the balls by shunning the 360, that's what you get by accepting bribes and thinking only of the short term.

[Noctis Aftermath]

@familyguy: i will be buying SO4 day 1, i felt the inclusion of japanese audio pretty much sealed the deal for me.

OT: everyone already knew this, square tried going for the western market and just expected the japanese market to follow them wherever they went(console wise) but learned the hardway that most JRPG fans stick with the playstation brand(handhelds not included).

Edit: @tordavis - How can you compare Tales of Vesperia 360 worldwide sales to ps3 japan only sales?

[Digitaldude]

Well a huge part of the market is in Japan since its a JRPG. and 360 is apparently dead in Japan.
So it makes sense in a way.

[tordavis]

@noctis - I'm not comparing sales, just showing how JRPG sales are low for all companies.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

@tordavis

using vgcharts of all things lmao

[reintype]

but I bet Wada's bank account would beg to differ.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Ok, stepped away for awhile and came back to see the fallout. About what I expected. Tordavis has a great point, and it's one I've gotten into areguments with HHG and writers on his staff, back when I cared; no research whatsoever.

It's like they just make up random bits of bullshit made to draw in hits, which is why I never go to the site and discourage people I know from doing so either. HHG is the World Weekly News of the gaming industry, and I tire of seeing more bullshit articles from the site on N4G. Seems more appropriate to BadJoystick. I mean, it is comedy, after all, with no factual basis whatsoever.

[immortal84]

I will tell you why square-enix RPGs didn't sell that well on xbox 360:

First of all, can you give me a JRPG from Square on Xbox 360 that has an average of 80 on metacritic? No.

So, the first reason is JRPGs this generation from Square weren't of high quality. Second reason is JRPGs aren't selling good in Japan or any region this gen. Of course FF XIII is going to sell like hot cakes in Japan, even if Square release it on N64.

Lost Odyssey (worldwide sales) sold better than any other JRPG on Xbox 360. It's the second best selling HD JRPG this gen after FF XIII. Why? because it's a good game and it's was being made by Sakaguchi, the father of the final fantasy series.

@ tordavis:

You are right.

[Dragun619]

Ok I don't about you but I'm pretty sure if they're going to support Xbox360 and not PS3 I would think SE was expecting alot better results with their support for Xbox360 especially with Star Ocean IV, a Series with quite the fanbase yet it didn't sell well in Japan or worldwide.

Then SE decided to finally release a game on the PS3, and guess what, it sold more than all SE's Xbox360 titles combined on its first week in japan. Hell, Tales of Vesperia sold more on the PS3 than it did against its year old counter part in japan, what would happen if they released the PS3 version released world wide.

The Argument about Jrpgs not selling well on neither console is because most of them suck or it just doesn't appeal to anyone. And I notice you didn't even mention the sales for recent Jrpgs. The sales for Valkyria Chronicles and Demon's Souls sold great especially since it heavily relied on word of mouth and It also fared far better than xbox360 latest jrpg title Magna Carta 2. Wait, and we'll see how well WKC, Star Ocean IV, etc does on consoles.

As for Jrpg being a dying breed. The PS3 says different
PS3 jrpg line up

- White Knight Chronicles
- Final Fantasy Versus XIII
- Final Fantasy XIII
- Final Fantasy XIV
- Resonance of Fate
- The Last Rebellion
- Trinity Universe
- Atelier Rorona
- Ar Tonelico 3
- Agarest: Generations of War
- 3D Dot Heroes
- Trinity: Zill O'll Zero
- Neir
- Tales Of Vesperia
- Star Ocean IV: The Last Hope International

[Obelisk92]

I can get past the fact you used vgchartz for sales comparison, but you can't deny that 90% of these games SUCK.

That's actually not good for the fans. And the hating starts.

The less are the fans, the less are the sales.

[starvinbull]

Couldn't agree more with this article.

Breaking your fanbase up like Rockstar did and Suare Enix did, in the long run will hurt both their businesses.

Speaking honestly, I am not half as excited about GTAV as I should be and would have been if R* hadn't ballsed up the release of GTA4.

It feels like they stalled after the release and haven't been able to satisfy their fanbase like they have done with past releases.

Square have a history of making very high quality cutting edge games whether new ips or not. This generation their best offerings are FF13 and The World Is Not Enough(DS game). Splitting your fanbase is sometimes inspired but clearly it hasn't worked as their output and the attributable sales don't tally.

Really all I'm trying to say is that if you have people who are loyal and will buy your product then you shouldn't play games with them or try to manipulate them. Not releasing DLC for PS3 or not releasing Japanese focused games on the best popular platform available in Japan are two examples.

[SaiyanFury]

I'm forced to agree with Dragun above. Most people associate JRPGs with Japanese platforms. Microsoft's endeavour to capture the Japanese market with JRPGs obviously didn't work. S-E is releasing the definitive version of SO4 on the PS3 replete with Japanese voice overs, a first for the series. I'm also looking forward to the western release of Tales of Vesperia. There are so many great looking JRPGs coming to PS3 it's almost a torrential flood. Amazing games like Demon's Souls and Valkyria Chronicles served to whet our appetites. Now the main course is coming.

[sikbeta]

Lets get this straight

Is not only SE choosing x360 a failure, is the new "polymorphic content" strategy that simply $UCK$, SE want to make games everywhere like if it was a big Publisher but this strategy is not going anywhere

FF13 and FFvs13 are the last hope and SONY will going to buy stocks to save SE one more time

[gaffyh]

@tordavis -

1. Regarding Lost Odyssey exclusivity, it could come to the PS3 (Ninja Gaiden Sigma anyone?) easily. And it seems that Sakaguchi didn't like Kutaragi, and Kutaragi is no longer there so it's possible.

I know that LO is a great game, and it at least deserves 1 million sales, and without a doubt I know it would have sold that much on PS3 easily.

2. White Knight Chronicles has not been released in the US or EU yet, so it really cannot be compared.

[tordavis]

@Gaffy

Microsoft owns publishing rights for Lost Odyssey. It will never come to PS3.

[EVILDEAD360]

This is far from the first time this elitist PS3 argument comes up and thanks to HHG recycling the same old f-boy rhetoric it won't be the last.

The funny part about it is we disprove these silly points exactly the same way Tor did. Just show the ACTUAL results of the RPGs released this generation on both platforms and you kill all the noise.

It's laughable how one side will tote Final Fantasy Vs. or the fact that FF13 is exclusive in Japan..but if the 360 gets a couple of timed exclusives mainly to help spark some sales from the Japanese market then it's the end of the world.

Who cares if they werent massive blockbusters..I had a blast with Star Ocean 4..is it close to the Monster RPG that is Final Fantasy? absolutely not..but it definately wasn't some mass failure to bring it to the 360.

Lost Odyssey proved that when done right an Japanese RPG will do great across the board. And boy was Lost Odyssey done right.

It's a new generation though..The Elder Scrolls, The Fallouts, The Mass effects are the order of the day..

Next HHG..Why Mass Effect 2 should have been a PS3 exclusive?

Evil

[sloth4urluv]

Anyone else feel like they have just been Rickrolled?

[Sez]

now you know better than that. you have been here long enough to know that you can't use vg chartz for anything other than ps3 system sells. you can't use it for anything other than that. lol

[Christopher]

Square didn't choose 360 over PS3, they chose both. As long as they make a profit on both, it was far from a failure.

[rockleex]

Finish him!

[rockleex]

Square Enix was just plain retarded in deciding to release those games EXCLUSIVELY for the 360.

The most profitable choices were either:
1. Multiplatform = largest possible audience
2. PS3 exclusive = largest single console JRPG audience

But they decided to go with number three:

3. 360 exclusive = miniscule JRPG audience

Not only did they fail in maximizing profit and sales, the quality of the games were also horrible.

[bacon13]

Yet another terrible and flamebait driven article from HHG. Let the hate commence! But a solid point has been made. The fan base for RPGs does not reside on 360.

[vhero]

its HHG again but he has got a point it was a failure. They did it though as they still made just as much capital from there games not through sales but cash out of MS own pocket. So who really failed here SE? no... MS did as they never got all the RPG players to switch consoles. Most of them just hang on to psp and wii until PS3 finally got the games.

[kingnick]

If anything SE's early seventh console generation games would have been worse on the PS3 as they were obviously rushed to 360 and lacked the polish of last gen JRPGs.

SE is to blame not the Xbox360 but keep deluding yourself PS3 fanbois.

[GrandDragon]

You racist pricks, this guy always comes with interesting news and information... he is interesting and at times has a fresh perspective.

What he said in this video was 100% correct, even his opinions are all obviously correct given the circumstances and back history of games performances. Sqaure Enix decided to launch games exclusively for the Xbox 360 and whilst the games performed better than most other JRPG genres in the West, they WOULD HAVE sold far more if they were released on both consoles.

At the end of they day Sqaure Enix has learnt that the exclusive "incentive" for JRPG's on the Xbox 360 is none existent. They should either make it clear from the get go weather to to make the game multi plat or Sony Exclusive.

We all know that in Japan the PS3 install base is far far superior to the Xbox 360, and given that JRPG originated in Japan, a Sony exclusive will NO doubt sell well.

So what Sqaure Enix decided to do with Final Fantasy XIII is perfect for maximising their profit and sales.

[Redgehammer]

you know what else is a failure? Clicking on a HHG link.
GrandDragon did you just call people racists because they disagree with the HHG's take on the gaming industry? I did not see any racist related comments, and to accuse people of racism because they disagree with someone is tantamount to complete stupidity. I am also amazed at your ability to divine someone's race by the text they type or by their avatar. Normally I am not offended or bothered by any of the opinions presented on N4G; but you Grandragon have earned my vote for Prick of the Day.

[evrfighter]

tordavis destroyed this comments section

that is all.

And I like how vgcharts loses credibility when it's convenient for the ps3 fanbase. But is the goto source when it's pro ps3.

[JasonXE]

AHHH crap. Seriously i thought this was an actual news story till i saw hhg on there. Damnit now i can't go on regular news story without knowing it's him or not.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[gintoki777]

its called buisness............

[NewZealander]

ahhh hipflop gamer again.

[Chubear]

...A F-A-I-L-U-R-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! HA! Serves them right too. lol

[Saaking]

Indeed it was. SE felt all high and mighty, and I laughed when they saw failure after failure. They need Sony a LOT more than Sony needs them.

[CHAD ROGERS]

does not need the traitors of square enix. Their games have gotten so bad since they stopped working exclusively with SONY. Traitors will not be missed. I boycotted them- everyone else should too- until they come crawling back to SONY, and humbly apologize to everyone of us true gamers.( y'know people who have a PS3)

[pixelsword]

The same thing happened to Tekken 6, it went multiplat and sold less than previous titles in terms of time out last I checked. I think Sony fans feeling betrayed was part of it, as the Final Fantasy series was never a PS3 exclusive game whereas every incarnation (as it were) was on a Playstation of some type.

Namco going for the fast money wound up burning them; especially since some people said the 360 version looked better I think.

I still don't agree it was a *total* failure, though.

[The Lazy One]

Who said anything racist?

@all others
tordavis raises a great point. JRPGs that don't have final fantasy in the title just don't sell like they used to.

Personally I'd attribute it to many japanese developers making their stories so ridiculous and over-written that the stories just stopped being interesting. It seems like every time you need to know what happens next in a JRPG chances are it will be something unrelated to the story so far, and that it will happen in a 30 minute monologue.

[pixelsword]

I understand where you're coming from, but in the cases of Lost Odyssey and Last Remnant, there was no "like they used to"; they were new titles.

But I do agree that JRPG's aren't mopping up like they did in the 8-64 bit days.

[The Lazy One]

JRPGs is they. In general, new or old franchises, they aren't selling like they (JRPGs) used to.

[Pika-pie]

Tis true though. MS paid a shed load of money to secure some JRPGs from Square-Enix. What happened:-

Infinite Undiscovery - HUGE FLOP!
The Last Remnant - HUGE FLOP!
Star Ocean 4 - HUGE FLOP!

[DAVID BRENT]

..

[Persistantthug]

Bubble on general principle

lol

[Eamon]

Flamebait article here we go

[belal]

he is actually right, i mean when SE was making s3 exclusive games, they did MUCH better software wise and HW wise for sony. but for xbox all they manage to do is like 40k and hw sales goes to like 15 k then down to 2k again lol.

[bobdog626]

Do you Know that the 360 install base is close to 40mill Right now.That's 40 mill People ! Do you Think Square is Stupid! I don't Think So.

[Christopher_Walken]

Let me guess who this is

oh right

[GameGambits]

You need to find this HHG and stab him in the face with a saudering iron! Tell him he's talkin at you all wrong...it's the wrong tone.

xD

Anyone have sales #'s for the JRPGs we all value highly from before this generation of consoles? I bet you games like Legend of Dragoon, Suikoden 2, Chrono Cross, Grandia, Lunar, Alundra, Xenogears, etc all had even crappier sales #'s than this current generation of JRPGs. Honestly all I've ever hoped is that the developers make enough to keep their company a float and give me more games of the same quality. Unfortunately, a jump over into this generation has not given us as big of quality games as in the past.

I don't care if they sell 20 million or 1 million---whatever the quota they need is all I want from the game to meet.

[xLordOblivionx]

Soldering iron, perhaps?

[Shadow Man]

So don't take it so seriously Droids and Bots.

WWE VS TNA= Monday Night Wars!!!

[Doc Sony]

Give it up Shadow Man, hate all you want. He's just spitting facts no matter how you slice it.

[Shadow Man]

WWE Bret Hart VS TNA Hulk Hoga!!!

Vince McMahon VS Vince Russo

Monday Night Wars Are Back Brother!!!!

[chidori666]

wow shadow man.. you are one of big fanboys of 360 and sayng this?

hypocrite..

[menoyou]

First of all it's NINTENDROIDS not Sony Droids you imbecile. I don't know where you people get this from. There is no such thing as Sony Droids.

Anyway, Square-Enix has sucked ass for 2 generations now. Who cares about them? Only retards.

[AliTheBrit19]

Haha you PS3 fanboy lot are a joke

When HHG is supporting the 360 you hate them, when they say anything anti-360 you love them

They could release a cure for cancer, HHG are still trash

[chrisulloa]

TAKING HHG SERIOUSLY
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[tawak]

WWE Bret Hart VS TNA Hulk Hoga!!!

Vince McMahon VS Vince Russo

Monday Night Wars Are Back Brother!!!!

-- uhhhh he/she? likes muscular guys =)

[blair_enigma]

that actually makes sense hiphopgamer, wrong move for SE. tsk tsk. ps3 only or multi, not x only. lets hope they feel the sales the x boys are giving them

[seifer085]

with this guy this time.........

[ApocalypseShadow]

the merger of square and enix changed the company.and enix was known as a company that didn't care for graphics and took forever to improve over 2D.

http://www.google.com/url?s...

name something awsome coming from them after they merged?

do you believe gamers are getting the BEST from square enix?

do you wish for games unannounced while they put out side stories that don't matter to you?

do you wish others were in charge of the company?

do you find that the sound quality has faltered and is not blowing you away like before?

really doesn't matter who they make games for.the square you knew is no longer there.good games but no longer great games.

[Xi]

sakagouchi leaving and starting mistwalker.

[Obama]

Well when mistwalker can produce 1 AAA jrpg I will call it awesome.

[Xi]

After all you're the same person that spouts nonsense about reviews and sales mean nothing for playstation games.

kinda hypocritical don't you think?

[mastiffchild]

But Mistwaler being "awesome" is overstatinmg it a lot, imo. BD was pretty dull, imo, and I also feel LO got more props from gamers(not really from reviewers who were, as usual, up and down for yet another jrpg to the point where, often more than other genres , I just don't take many seriously any more)because of the standard of other current gen jrpgs being so "meh".

I mean, I felt LO had tons of great ideas but didn't go far enough with any of them and it left the great story a little on it's own while the battle system was just a little to staid for my lioking in this day and age. It's their best 360 game but "awesome" it isn't, not for me ansd not when I compare it to the true classics of the genre. Close but no cigar. Then again I didn't think IU ewas that bad even if I can accept it still isn't what we should be expecting from SE.

[Obama]

BD and LO couldn't pass the 80 mark on average, so it's not me who are judging this games really.

[CBaoth]

unless you're one of the sheep. I guess common sense ain't so common.

[Obama]

The average of the reviews tells you roughly how good a game is. You can say some reviews are bias (like Edge) but overall the average serves as a good measure.

[jc48573]

I watched the entire thing and I could finally understand why people hate this guy. i am really not sure how well the rpgs did in the 360 consoles, but i am pretty sure they did so so in terms of sales. I don't think the games would sell a whole lot more on the ps3, so this guy is just full of guesses. the only thing i want to say is that both consoles are not built for longevity and I think that's something we oughta talk more about.

[JD_Shadow]

Umm...

Check the sales of the games he mentioned in Japan, and then check the sales of the PS3 only FF13 in Japan. PLEASE tell me you're not going to speak without looking into and thinking about what he's saying.

And HHG, the only thing that you were erroneous on in this vidicle: why didn't you bring up FF Versus 13. That's by Nomura, a Sony fanboy, and that game is looking effin AWESOME! I don't know if I just didn't catch it or not (will have to watch it again to know for sure), but I didn't hear a mention of the game anywhere.

[Torkith]

Tales of Vesperia (PS3) released in Japan selling 140k in one day, the 360 version didn't even sell that in one month+. The PS3 version was released more than a full year later. Yes I know that it's not Square, but it's an RPG regardless. We'll be able to see what happens with Star Ocean 4 soon enough though, though the game wasn't great imo.

[CryWolf]

Square Enix drop the ball when they went exclusive to Microsoft console only Square should have notice that Star Ocean, Infinite Undiscovery, and The Last remnant was a complete failure in Japan and worldwide not counting America.

if that is true Lost Odyssey is coming to the PS3 O MY GOD THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! and Mistwalker Studios would have a better chance of getting a lot more money worldwide cause of the people that waited for this RPG.

[CrazyOrange]

LOST ODYSSEY is microsoft's IP so it will never come to PS3, and it dosnt seem mistwalker working on ps3 game, since sakaguchi said himself he doesn't own a ps3 yet.

[CryWolf]

And you keep forgetting that japanese companies aren't like american companies look what happen between Nintendo partnership with Sony that didn't do so well and the samething is going to happen with Lost Odyssey developers watch.

[TheTruth2009]

To say that "Square Choosing Xbox360 Over PS3 Was A Failure" is only true for one section of the Gaming Industry...

PLAYSTATION 3 SUPPORTERS.

Let's recap. Shall we?

Square Enix wanted a partnership with someone that would allow them to further penetrate the Western World.
http://arstechnica.com/gami...

Square Enix also wanted to expand their tentacles into more business ventures and needed more revenue to do so.
http://www.siliconera.com/2...

Lastly, Square Enix wanted a larger piece of America. The largest Userbase in the World. And XBOX360 is the best selling HD Console BY FAR in its home country.

As far as Microsoft is concerned, it knew that it could kill three birds with one stone:
Diversify its games lineup with more RPG's to emulate the success of the PS2 last generation.
http://www.neocrisis.com/ar...

Achieve more Market penetration in the Japanese market.
http://www.afterdawn.com/ne...

...and the best part, deflate the PS3 by stealing Final Fantasy XIII.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/te...

Now I'll admit, the quality of RPG's that were released like Infinite Undiscovery and The Last Remnant felt rushed and were mediocre knockoffs of the Final Fantasy Series.

But Square Enix siding with XBOX360 has already done its damage.

TO PLAYSTATION 3.

So go ahead HipHopGamer.
Continue to think that it was an error in judgement.
I know that YOU and the other PS3 Myopians see how well Final Fantasy XIII is performing in Japan and are thinking what could have been.

Just like with GTAIV.
And Devil May Cry.
And Metal Gear Rising.
And the Assassin's Creed Series.
And all the exclusive downloadable content.
Etc., etc.

And it hurts. I know. Sorry.

Square Enix got what they wanted.
Microsoft got what they wanted.

And Playstation 3 got what it deserved.

That's what you get when you take your eye off of the proverbial "Gaming Ball" and release a BluRay Player instead of an actual Gaming MACHINE.

NO. ONE. CARES. Deal with it.

[ssipmraw]

your bubbles are delicious

edit: lol the truth is out of date

[shutupandplay]

How is it not a gaming machine? It had better games than the 360 throughout the entire year, including GOTY, and has the highest rated exclusives of the entire generation. If the ps3 is just a blu-ray player, then the 360 is just a dumbed down PC.

[reintype]

For someone stating that NO. ONE. CARES. You wrote an awful lot.

[Consoldtobots]

"As far as Microsoft is concerned, it knew that it could kill three birds with one stone:
Diversify its games lineup with more RPG's to emulate the success of the PS2 last generation. "

guys...... this part alone SCREAMS "Im a bleeding idiot"

[insomnium]

Your hate for the PS-brand is really something else. Care to make a list about why you blame Sony for everything that's happened (whatever that is)?

You say such stupid things that I'm beginning to hope you get a taste of something similar in your own personal life.

Please try to answer my points in that PM I replied to. You can answer me there even if you don't have bubbles right? Are you really that affraid?

You are right btw. MS HAS been trying to copy the success of PS2 and now it's trying to copy the Wiis success. Talk about unoriginal. I really cannot understand how can anyone root for somthing this pathetic.

[PopEmUp]

"NO ONE CARES"

[keysy420]

them siding with square has done them damage im not the only one that has los tthere intrest in ff13 because its multiplat. ive seen what i scapable of being done on the360 and it really sucks. so fo rme square lost me when they decided to make games on the 360 knowing that they were getting away from what they usually did like taking advantage of a system and its power. squsre is a joke right now and hopefully ff13 vrs will help them redeem themselves.

[weazel]

Another day eating cheetos and toasted sandwiches made by his mom, sitting around his basement/bedroom in his underwear, writing humongo-essays to sap everyones patience. Do you have a real job dude? There's no way you wrote that in your lunch hour!
(Snow day for me!)

[NiiGhTx]

Im pretty happy GTA IV was on 360. Why? Because since Microsoft payed huge money to Rockstar, GTA IV sold more on 360, and again Microsoft payed Rockstar for DLC, all that good amount of money goes to Rockstar and they'll make GTA5 a PS3 exclusive. HAHA

Agent and GTA5 FTW.

Rockstar and Sony for the win.

[DJexs]

i like people who use out of date facts.

[unrealgamer58]

who cares square has dissapointed me time after time. I just don't care about that company (back to demon soul)

[Shendow]

360 was never build for RPG games but was mainly build for FPS game and that is all it was really build for. PS3 was build for any type of game, you don't even new to get use to a new controller if you played any of the games on PS2.

Plus theirs alot more FPS games on the 360 for a reason.

[Consoldtobots]

NOT defending the 360 here but how do you "build" a console for FPS?
is there a dedicated bullet time processor I dont know about?
Now if you said MS SUCKS at marketing and supporting JRPG on their console I would agree with you. Thats not even getting into the hardware limitations it has. Which I guess could assembled into some form of argument that the PS3 is better suited to handle next gen rpgs.

[Eamon]

Consoldtobots: Bubbles for the humour mate. You made me LOL in real life.

I'm not gonna assume that Shendow was referring to "target audience" when talking about building for xbox/ps3 etc.. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about.

It all comes down to marketing and console image. Xbox 360's current image is a console mainly for online gaming and FPS. When you think of jRPG games or action games, people would refer to the PS3 because of PS2's image. Sony had a huge variety of game genres on the PS2.

[Rowsdower]

oblivion was released a full year on the 360 before the PS3
the first xbox had two great rpgs kotor 1 and 2 and morrowind
then there is fable 1 and 2

look here:
http://games.teamxbox.com/i...

[Shendow]

Look at the 360's controller, eveything little thing is build good for a FPS (In less fanboys don't think it is?) now look at the list of FPS games for the 360, Microsoft could care less about RPG games or anything outside of a FPS game (Or shooter game).

Plus their hasn't even been any games that aren't FPS on the 360 that sell well. I don't think its marketing as much as when you think RPG games, you think PS3, PS2 but not Xbox.

[CryWolf]

Bots are losing their exclusive RPGs from Square and Mistwalker when will Microshit learn japan and the rest of the world will never cross over to Xbot 360 cause it was the biggest failure in history of gaming,

All these big japanese companies got money throwing at them to develop games for a complete failure of a console that haven't got any real Next-Gen hardware or software and the fact a lot of the developers companies are exactly lossing money cause of xbot its just sad how developers just rush in to development for a console that just fails.

[N4Garbage]

What RPG besides FF has sold?

JRPGs as a whole this entire generation have been failures critically and sales wise EVEN in Japan.

The 360s JRPGs consist mostly of new IPs and are all average in scores.

Folklore
Valkyria Chronicles

new IPs that sold miserably yet reviewed as great on the "suspected" JRPG success maker Ps3.

Would it have made a damn difference if all these games went multiplat granting SE a few dollars probably still not even profiting over development costs?

If SE took the time to make games there games would be good. Pointing at the 360 because they lack the skills and time by a money hungry developer/publisher is just RETARDATION.

[CBaoth]

VC is approaching 800k sales, the same as LO, making it tied as the second highest selling JRPG. For a new IP, the franchise gained considerable steam after its anime dropped in Japan. With the sequel slated for the PSP, I easily see this passing 1 million.

Folklore isn't an RPG. Fanboys loved to include this game initially because, frankly, there wasn't much in the way of RPGs on the PS3. As a PS3 launch owner I can freely admit it. But it's really just an adventure title with tamagotchi elements. No leveling, just silly dresses to find. And the narrative and its delivery were horribly dull and static, thus we see why it sold 150k.

I do wholeheartedly agree with you about JRPGs in general though. Japanese devs have stagnated with the same formula for the past 3 generations. Most of us didn't notice or care because we were enjoying the same great gameplay but with 3D polys instead of 2D sprites. Now, it's been there, done that. How many times does the spiky-haired, angst ridden hero whose suffering from amnesia or lack of a proper background story that must save the world have we played before? It's no wonder that WRPGs are destroying their Japanese counterparts in sales. F3 (4mil), ES:Oblivion (3.5), Fable2 (2.5), ME (2), and even DA:Origins (750k so far, PC not included) is nearing the 1 mil mark despite the Xmas window and the extra competition.

As far as Square is concerned, who cares that they went multi. Just don't go releasing titles exclusively for the least selling system in your home market. That'd be like Epic releasing Gears3 but not in NA.

[bjornbear]

funny, when we talk of 360's game failures you resort to sales.

PATHETIC

VC is superior to ANY JRPG you will get on the 360, even FFXIII

deal with it.

[Edito]

Man if u realy think Square supported the 2 platforms then u are one of the biggest idiots i never met lol...

[DelbertGrady]

Square only making JRPGs that don't attract the western audience is and has always been a failure. Ever since FF III was released in the US. FF VII was an exception but that was released before western developers started making RPGs for consoles. On consoles you either played JRPGs or no RPGs. Not so anymore. Games like Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect and Fallout 3 are way ahead of anything Square has achieved this gen.

[seifer085]

like me that really don't like western rpgs it's been slim pickings, good thing FF 13 is so close!

[Senden]

Yheir failure was their decision to release sub par games on the next gen format.. their failure was merging with enix and finally their biggest failure was letting Sakaguchi go. Games like The last remnant, Infinite Undiscovery and that darn awful space fighting sim they made wouldn't have done much better on the ps3.

[PirateThom]

Exactly, it's lack of quality control more than anything else.

There's just no reason to buy anything with "Square Enix" on the box anymore.

[TheReality2010]

And Reality sets in, doesn't it?

Shall I open your eyes for you, fanboys?

SQUARE ENIX'S 360 EXCLUSIVE GAMES DON'T DO WELL. Do any of you honestly think it was smart of SE to make an exclusive RPG for the 360? HELL. NO. And here's why.

Look at the sales of The Last Remnant. Sad. Look at the sales of Infinite Undiscovery. Sad. Does anyone buy anything other than shooters on an Xbox platform? No.

"Hey, you wanna play a good RPG?"
"Sure! Do you have a PS3?"
"No."
"... PS2?"
"Well, yeah, but this game isn't on there"
"....?"
"It's on the 360!"

*plays the game*

"Shall I pull my eyes out now or later?"

Here's the deal, folks. The PS3 naturally sells RPGs better than the 360. Somehow, 360 fanboys are greedy enough to deny it. They want ALL games to sell better on the 360 when that isn't the truth. They want to live in a world that just doesn't exist. WELCOME TO REALITY.

Time for another wake-up call...

Did you know why there was never a PS3 version of The Last Remnant? BECAUSE THE SALES WERE TOO POOR FOR THE GAME ON THE 360. Yes. Too poor. But I thought all 360 games sell well? Wait, reality set in and it turns out ONLY 2 GAMES ON THE 360 HAVE PASSED ANY PS3 GAME. And, surprise surprise, THEY'RE. BOTH. SHOOTERS.

Ever wonder if it's possible to sell a game to half of a country's install base? Turns out it is. Who's done it? SQUARE ENIX WITH FFXIII ON PS3 in Japan. Half of the people who own a PS3 in Japan bought Final Fantasy. Oh, and it's only been less than one month. HOW CAN A SYSTEM THAT CAN'T SELL GAMES DO THAT? Right... we're in a real world, where REALITY applies.

Ladies and Gentlemen. Open your eyes. Reality hurts.

[Doc Sony]

AMEN !!!

[insomnium]

you are actually quite good. Keep it up.

[TheTruth2009]

Looks like you're still suffering from using diversion tactics again. But I'll even answer your statement directly. Unlike you. :-)

You said:
"The PS3 naturally sells RPGs better than the 360. Somehow, 360 fanboys are greedy enough to deny it. They want ALL games to sell better on the 360 when that isn't the truth. They want to live in a world that just doesn't exist. WELCOME TO REALITY."

Here's some REALITY my friend:
XBOX360 Multiplat RPG's:
Oblivion - 2.9 million
Fallout 3 - 2.85 million
Dragon Age: Origins - 1 million

XBOX360 Exclusive RPG's:
Fable II - 3.36 million
Mass Effect - 2.12 million

PS3 Comparable Multiplat RPG's:
Oblivion - 1.12 million
Fallout 3 - 1.87 million
Dragon Age: Origins - 500,000 copies

PS3 Exclusive RPG:
Demon's Souls - 540,000 copies (Ugh...)

Wow. It seems as though the PS3 pales in comparison to the XBOX360's RPG sales for this generation from where I'm sitting. Dispatching your Fanboy Goggles would allow you to see what is really happening.

You see Mr. Reality2010, you're right. XBOX360 DON'T buy RPG's.

Crappy ones.

The JRPG Market is dying along with the Japanese Console Market. Western Developers like Bioware, Bethesda, and the like have taken over the genre with WRPG's. And Square Enix knows this fact. That's why they reached out to Microsoft. And Playstation is a dying breed. It was spoken about at TGS last year. And articles are written regularly about it.
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

So continue on with your myopia.
But stay on topic.
We'd love worthy adversaries. For once.
Man_Of_The_Year and I are getting tired of making PS3 Fans look bad.
But you need to tighten it up a bit and stay on topic.

See you next thread. :-)

[Man_of_the_year]

Your Quote "Ladies and Gentlemen. Open your eyes. Reality hurts."
-yet it seems to be you and your blind following that seem to refuse to open your eyes as the reality just may hurt.

You made a CLAIM that JRPG's and/or WRPG's sell better on the PS3. TheTruth2009 has provided you with some PROOF that your OPINION is incorrect thus is not REALITY which you speak of but rather misconceptions and lies.

However, i believe in these trying times, everyone has the opportunity to prove themself. To...back up their views of what "REALITY" is and where they find this information which they base their "REALITY" on.

SO. TheReality2010. Provide your sources, links, proof as to where you attained your information from that JRPG's/WRPG's sell better on the PS3. If you can supply us with this proof, then i would be more than happy to agree with you.

If you cannot supply us with this proof, than your "REALITY" is nothing but fantasy. And hopfully the blind followers that grasp off your every lie will open their eyes and realize that following such mis-informed / informing leader doesn't help their cause of making the PS name a strong name like it had once been many years ago.

Again...please supply your sources as to where you base your OPINION on.

[Tony-A]

Uh oh.... Reality is getting to TheTruth's head, is he?

I never thought I'd see the day. I'm glad you're getting a taste of your own medicine, buddy =)

[The Maxx]

I don't know. I have been reading ALL the comments here and WOW there is a lot of reading.

Just an observation.

TheReality2010 makes a comment and presents it as fact. Has at the moment 16 agrees but TheReality2010 didn't provide any proof to his statments.

TheTruth2009 makes a comment that contradicts TheReality2010 and backs up his comments with proof. Yet has 7 disagree at the moment.

Man_of_the_year asks TheReality2010 to provide the proof to his comments with sources so that he can agree with the other 16 that have agreed. And yet still no proof added since the 8 hours that TheReality2010 first posted.

I'm sorry, but from the outside looking in...i don't understand how someone can make a claim with no sources or evidence and claim it's reality. On top of that, have 16 agree's. Why are people agreeing with someone that doesn't provide proof?

Atleast TheTruth2009 provided some kind of proof and source to back up his claimes. In a court of law, TheTruth2009 would win as he was able to provide evidence for his point of view.

[Dawn_Of_Ashes]

am i the only one who wasnt able to liste more than 15 seconds of his sh1ty video.
Why he's doing that? most of the people laught at him and what he say most of the time doesnt have any sense.
I think this guy is a foocking attention whore and by posting his crap here he get what he need...

Oh btw hiphoplamer, LEARN TO SPEAK GOD DAMMIT!

[aaronisbla]

Before you tell someone to learn how to speak, try learning how to spell correctly.

[rbluetank]

i believe SquareEnQ used UT3 engine for

Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remnant, and ect.... loading times/frame rate issues and ect. people deal with these issues in the gears series but in an rpg it is not exceptable... these issues make the game more of a grind then it has to be... i can not blame people for passing on these games. SquareEnQ used a crappy UT3 engine and add it with a even more crappy story/gameplay. SquareEnQ/M$oft expected a million plus sales... lol

[zornik]

"360 was never build for RPG games but was mainly build for FPS game and that is all it was really build for. PS3 was build for any type of game"

B@llsh@t..... this is the biggest BS i ever read on this site.I was a gametester for a western RPG (open world)and there was one big problem for the X360 version of the game.....RAM.
512 MB ram was a 'limitation' for the X360 version and 2 X 256MB (like in the PS3) was a 'handicap'.
Big developers own the money and resources to find a solution but small developers can't....the X360 is the only option for some extra money because the PS3 is NOT so 'friendly' for all types of games as you think.
With the money and resources the PS3 is a monster(don't get me wrong).DragonAge:Origins is a fine example of PS3 power under a big developer.

[Meryl]

Of course they made the wrong choice as for people pointing out VC and folklore those were nice games, the JRPGs like TOV have actually sold almost the same amount of copies despite the release gap (more sales in less time on PS3).
Star Ocean will prove once again that JRPGs belong on the PS3.

[-MD-]

Don't be mad they chose the 360.

[pippoppow]

Their base prefer Western RPG and shooters. Mass Effect and Bethesda games have shooting mechanics in them catering to those shooter fans.

SE releasing those games exclusive, timed or otherwise on a console that predominantly prefers shooter mechanics in their games was a bad decision financially.

There is no doubt sales would have been much better if those games were released exclusive to the PS3. Maybe all this nonsense about JRPGs dying wouldn't have gained traction in the media.

[fingazblank]

I wish some thug4life homez would drive by this prick!

Seriously, it makes me wonder, why is it called the hip hop gamer show, he thinks he's hip hop, he should write he's own stuff you know like Jay Z does (joke, wait for the irony) He sits at his pc, choking one off to phatbootyshaking1287 youtubes channel, then hits up on the N4G site and gets creative.

What a moron, sometimes i think, with div's like him. We should at least have homes for these Cats!

[Cuzzo63]

So dis black guy dat has dis street image or wat ever and dat means a he watches booty shakn youtube vids. some of the comments on dis guy are very ignorant.jus dnt see where his show that talks about video game news wether u agree wit him or not. gets these biases, hypocrit sometimes racist comments. u people kills me.keep doin ya thang bro

[keysy420]

sounds like your hating that he has a show, is black , and has more information and friends in thr industry as you do.fanboys are mad at the guy for every reason under the sun becuase he said something bad about the 360 that must make him all type of names. but that is cool you cant hate someone or be a hater on them unless your unhappy with your own life. everyone who comments racially or negatively is probably some looser with no friends.
If my comment stirkes you at heart them you know who im talking about

[rezenu]

I don't know this guy very well but love him or hate him...he's right.

[Blackcanary]

Till me who was in-charge before Mr Wada took over and why did he live?

HHG do think u can help me out mate or anyone one else on this site know the answer to this.

Cause they was doing a better job than wada.

I haven't watched the video yet.

[Meryl]

I can't remember who was in charge, but what I do remember is there was a huge bust up after the merge with Enix, alot of staff left(including the father of FF), to form Mistwalker so they could develop the games they had envisioned for years (yet got denied).
This may explain why Final Fantasy is not the same anymore, because they have lost quite a few of their original staff, it also might explain why Lost Odyssey feels like the real next Final Fantasy instead of the later editions (after FFX).
Finally only Nomura's team seems to be holding SE together at the moment, as he was in charge of Kingdom Hearts, and anything he touches normally is a masterpiece, KH:BBS seems to be nothing short of pure excellence and FF:Versus seems to be the next best FF

[Blackcanary]

Meryl

[Demon5500]

I would wait till March 2010 to make your mind up guys, cos by April will see if squire made the right choice, I bet we see a lot more games going to 360 from them in the future?

[Meryl]

I think the PS3 version is definitely going to sell more than the X360 in America and Europe, come march 2010 SE should definitely see the advantage of now just developing for the PS3.

[aaronisbla]

He makes a valid point. I'm not saying they should have stayed exclusive but when trying to gain more buyers of your games, don't kick the ones you already have in the nuts.

IIRC, FF13 is the first SE game on the system that will hit in the states, why is that?

They should have went multiplat from the start and not choose one or the other if they wanted to increases sells. It also wouldn't have hurt if the games were actually worth buying either. The games they have released this gen have been sub quality games.

SE has really dropped the ball this gen so far, hopefully FF13 and VS marks the return of good games from their camp

[Ngai]

You see what i'm saying?
You feel me?
Like it or hate it.. he's right though.

[stonecold1]

said it well i do agree because there hasnt been a next gen title finalfantasy until it came out in japan and the series have all been over the psp dsi wii xbox 360 ps2 and ps3 is nearly 3 years and pal regions and they had made a final fantasy last year and sold bad on pc xbox 360 so they canned the ps3 version because it sold badley on xbox and pc and now final fantasy has been pushed back to march and they releasing at the same time final fantasy 13 should have been out 2 years ago on ps3 but the xbox 360 is holding development back on the ps3 version because of m$ i will wait till final fantasy vs arrives exclusive to ps3 and at least it wont be downgraded to fit on a dv.d cant wait till vs comes out that the real next gen version of final fantasy this final fantasy 13 should ve been like vs but not much anymore

[wc326]

...... reallly who cares

[kewlkat007]

Final Fantasy X(worldwide) was the last really good traditional-based JRPG that was considered really good by most.(though many on this site hated it, just realized).

How do you blame the Xbox 360 for the "quality" of what Square-Enix has brung out, when they have not been the same for a while now? Or at least, since the father of the series left and other prominent figures.

Sales + Square-Enix does have a correlation with PS, since the PS brand has been a strong one for them the last 10 years. So yeah, any Square JRPG that have came out since then might have sold more ona PS console, especially with the Japanese PS base.

Looking at the quality of the games developed/published by Square-Enix on the Xbox 360, these games are just not "Final Fantasy" type games, neither have they been what we have been used to when Squaresoft was around.

Lost Odyssey was a great game though the review scores are not 90s like most Final Fantasy games. Then again not many Traditional JRPGs on next-gen have been hitting that of a high score, since everyone waits for Square to set the standard. Now I understand why some only hate this guy when his topic does not represent their views. Typical

[bjornbear]

but this is epic BS.

[dameon77]

Man this guy is so full of it how come he didn't mention FF 13 did the worst of all the major FF titles. but Dragon Quest is selling leaps and bounds over anything else on the DS. So maybe Square should put all there games on the DS

Plus how can you try to compare FF with those other IP's they sucked i played all of them and they sucked bigtime so that is not MS fault that is Square. So dude stop hating on the xbox.

[Jamescagney]

Has anyone seen the 360 that I lent to HHG? It's got a Borderlands case, he told me he needed it for his show for some reason. I hope he gives it back in the same condition.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Well, I can tell you one thing.. It won't be played so you don't have to worry about that.. Unless you painted a Sony logo on the side.

[Aleusia]

a reformed Xbot?

[divideby0]

breaking news...another developer tries and fails something...look at all the stupid developers making crappy ports for the PS3 and the game not selling on that console.
Borderlands was so broken on the PS3, I never opened the game and returned it after going to GBs web site and seeing all the problems. I rented it this week for the 360 and the game is totally MEH..graphics are terrible on the 360..pop ins, fog, little draw distance..and top of meh gameplay...so glad I didnt buy it..
and this week Bayo....another crap PS3 port...leave it on the shelves..
hence...developers are just money hunger ho's and its good to see them fail, when they dont deliver

[cygnuszero]

Lolzers at failing to mention Oblivion and Mass Effect, each of which sold millions of copies. This article is total fail due to selecting the average RPGs to discuss, and omitting the great ones.

The 360 is clearly the RPG console of choice for these dev's. Why is that? It's in 6 million more homes. Some people tend to forget that the bigger your target audience is, and the bigger the install base, the more money you make, and the last time I checked most game dev's like money.

[devilmaycry2020]

This post is the definition of fail.

[turtiturt]

If i remember correctly, he said he was gna have news of the so called ps3 premium service this week, where is it?

[Rowsdower]

both cases in classic conditioning ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... That goes for his naysayers and supporters. There is nothing worse on N4G than an HHG post and the comments that follow.

There should be a rule that no one involved in a gaming blog or website can post or approve their own articles or the articles of their staff. Maybe then interesting and well done pieces will rise to the top, instead of this boring repetitive sh*t. I hate how people work N4G like this, maybe its just me but it is ultimately a disservice to this community.

[Elginer]

Talk about misinformation out the @ss. First of all, Infinite Undiscovery and Lost Odyssey are Microsoft owned IP's. So your statement of Lost Odyssey originally meant to be a multiplatform title is complete and utter trash. As Tordavis said, JRPG's on the whole worldwide sales wise are the decline. The reason that Square-Enix decided to produce titles like The Last Remnant and Star Ocean 4 on the 360 was because they wanted to try and touch a wider install base. This has been something that Square has been striving for since the beginning of this generation, which is why they now own Eidos.

Also games like The Last Remnant and Star Ocean 4 were of unusually low quality. Star Ocean 4 more so. Really, most of this video article is nothing but hearsay and misinformation. With absolutely no facts to back up your statements. I understand you have a passion for gaming but if you want to be taken seriously, you need to actually do some research and sound like an intelligent individual. All your doing is making yourself look like an @ss.

[Rowsdower]

his shtick is getting old

[Marty8370]

Square Enix only when crapbox exclusive on early titles cos it was out first.

[LiquifiedArt]

Its pretty much spot on and to say otherwise is ridiculous.

[Rowsdower]

i'll give you that, the title exists, good job.

[JJFNIGHTS80]

How the hell you know if Square Enix choosing Xbox 360 over PS3? Well you J.A. first of all look at Final Fantasy XIII just launch in Dec. and Final Fantasy Versus, Versus is is only EXCLUSIVE IN JAPAN ONLY. Check out your resources FIRST BEFORE YOU KEEP BASHING SONY PS3. SUCH A DUMB A$$.

[donalbane]

"The problem is that Microsoft isn't the definitive console for this type of audience." The assertion that PS3 and 360 are somehow so fundamentally different they would attract significantly different audiences is so outlandish I can't even believe I'm wasting the time it takes to point it out. If you want to point to the low sales of several recent Microsoft JRPGs, blame the Japanese devs, not hardware manufacturers of their customers. Japanese game development, with a few recent exceptions like Demon's Souls and Bayonetta, hasn't kept pace with standards set by prominent Western games. Just ask Kojima and Inafune, who have been very vocal on the failure of many Japanese devs to evolve in step with the West. If you start from the premise that the PS3 is awesome and the 360 is flawed, you can't be objective. More of the same from this A-hole. Will not watch.

[edgeofblade]

You heard it here, folks. PS3 = definitive console, so Sony isn't going to make a PS4...

[hazardman]

Come on dude really!! You as a PS3 fanboy should know better..One of the main reasons SQE went exclusive with some of these games was because at the time PS3 if you remember wasn't doing that well because it was expensive.. And we also don't know for sure that these games being released on PS3 only, would have made any difference..The games weren't even that good. We still have FF versus and who knows maybe Kingdom Hearts stays PS3 as well..Also SQE has an extensive catalog that I think should be shared with every gamer not just you PS3 fanboys..In the long run it's also about making money. SQE isn't gonna ignore almost 30 million gamers just to keep the PS3 fanboys quiet.

[Knightofelemia]

I wonder does this clown know FF13 is a PS3 exclusive over in Japan of course Xbox won't see sales of the game.

[hazardman]

I agree with a lot of what you had to say, but to say Playstation is a dying breed is a little ridiculous..I don't know where Reality gets his info from saying that only 2 games have passed any PS3 games. Seems to me, games that come out on Xbox just sell more,exclusive or multi-platform.

PSN:Hazardman79
XBL:lexhazardman79
XBL:Hazardman79

[Tony-A]

"I don't know where Reality gets his info from saying that only 2 games have passed any PS3 games"

Best-selling 360 games:

Halo 3
Gears of War

Other than those, the PS3 has managed to reach any other 360 exclusive in sales. That's what he means.

[Advari]

HipHop needs to go back to school to learn better english my IQ went down a bit after watching this.

[Kyrue]

Can this guy sound more ghetto? Maybe he acts as a translator for dumb ghetto folk who are too dumb to know what's up in the gaming industry. Either way, I feel retarded for listening to this man speak.

[hazardman]

You sound very ignorant!! I don't mind the street slang, but when he interviews someone I think he should do it more professionally. I also think it's hard for me to agree with a lot of what he says because of him being a PS3 fanboy. He should call it PS3 Gamer Show.

[Darkfiber]

Square? Best of the best? Haha maybe 10 years ago but they are pumping out pure sh*t now. I bet FF13 would score 2 points lower from everywhere if it was called anything but final fantasy.

[egm_hiphopgamer]

Don't underestimate Square, I know they haven't been living up to their name for the past few years but Final Fantasy 13 has already gotten them back into their stride, and with upcoming releases such as FF 14 and versus 13, along with some new IP's you guys don't know about at the moment they are ready to kick ass for real

[Raoh]

I don't blame square for wanting to go multiplatform but dismissing the ps3 and trying to go 360 exclusive was a bad move.. especially for an RPG company..

but they are not done.. i expect to see ps3 japan exclusives = 360 american exclusive

[edgeofblade]

I appreciate the experiment. Either way, it was wise to send their SECOND string RPGs to Xbox to test the waters. I still think they would have made more money out of a true multiplat arrangement.

[dkgshiz]

Were a company that is known to make JRPG games on a Japanese console. So this gen for no reason at all lets make JRPG games on the xbox 360! Which barely has any support in Japan might I add. Oh, boy.... Sorry Enix you guys fuked up. Look at Sony they gave life to you with FF7. This is how you repay them?! Oh well your loss. I give the "Biggest Dip Sh!t Award" to Enix this gen. I mean seriously. Every game they made on the 360 bombed due to the fact theres no 360 support in Japan. What a bunch of mokey spunk.

[edgeofblade]

This only proves one thing: JRPGs come from Japan. But we already knew that...

What you aren't accounting for is how most American JRPG fans are dub-spurning, Harajuku-shopping, Ramune-drinking Japanophiles. Their opinions aren't informed by any fact, but by what the "cool" uncool kids are doing. Do you really expect 15-25 year old, social outcasts to validate anything? And heaven forbid they take RPGs and try to make them mainstream hits on a system other than Playstation. That would be blasphemy...

The Plyastation/Japanophile religion has this nasty little denomination of RPG players, and they are the ones making sure JRPGs never innovate. This should not be a reason to praise them. This is about bias. Pure, conscious, unrepentant bias.

[gumgum99]

*Eats his Subway Sandwich*

A New Year. A New Article from HHG.

[ExposingLames]

ya, and on top of them making the RPG for a console thats not very RPG friendly, there is also no denying that because its multiplat now the PS3 owners get a dumbed down gimped version of the game, so i say screw squaresoft

there were a great developer and they could have made this game on a ND or GG level but instead they chose to gimp it and try to get more $$$ and i hope they get it cuz i want quality and obviously this FF lacks that, i mean look at the way they changed the core of the game anyways, so long squaresoft, give the XBOX FF14 15 16 and on also ill stick to my exclusives that are made for my system and to date no multiplat joke can touch

[artsaber]

I don't quite get all the hate towards HHG. Perhaps some of his pieces in the past rubbed folks the wrong way, etc. But I found absolutely nothing wrong at the core truth of his statement. Yes he may have gotten a few facts incorrect or mixed up, so what, fine. Point them out and move on. But to assume he is ignorant because you think he is "street" or "ghetto" is about as big of a mistake as someone believing they can beat up someone else simply because they are homosexual or small, etc. Yeah it is a bit off or skewed, but too many people fail @ drawing conclusions based on assumptions.

I personally know a guy as street as it gets, but I'd be lucky to meet 5 people on this site that can beat this guy intellectually. This guy can do it all on a business network: program routers and switches, build servers, build business networks, manage active directory, exchange, build virtual machines/servers, program sharepoint, write a helpdesk program in and out of sharepoint, and these are just the surface skills he shows, not even his tricks of the trade.

Yes he keeps it real, he is the same way on the basketball court as he is at work... street. How does he get away with it you ask? He possesses more skill in one mind and hand than 3 other people you'd need to hire to replace him. Supervisors realize this, and this "ghetto" dude has a job for the life of the company, you can bet your dollar on that.

Street/Hood/Ghetto =/= Stupid

Some people on here make a good point. What if it wasn't HHG but CG (Country Gamer) or (Rock Gamer), something that more people on this site MIGHT relate to. Your comments wouldn't be close to the same and you know it, but your biases towards HHG shows, no matter the content of his videos. If they were all predictions with 99.9 percent accuracy, there is a good pool who would hate on the 0.1 inaccuracy. I know folks will disagree, but I try to find the use in the info that HHG tries to pass. I don't care if he is street or hillbilly, all I care about is the data, the accurate portion.

All of that to say: Yes SE fvcked up, it was a bad deal, they didn't capitalize on the fanbase that THEY established in the past from the PS2 era. FACT

EDIT: The inability to keep an open mind is why so many people flock to shooters without trying a variety of great sleeper games. Demon's Souls, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, and so many others come to mind instantly.

[Karum]

Their biggest mistake was making those games exclusive in Japan where the 360 userbase is miniscule in comparison to every other console, both home and hand held.

They should have had them multi-plat at least in Japan and could probably have left them exclusive in the rest of the world and done much better.

Any console bashing aside, it was a fairly horrible business decision from Square Enix to give a console with such a small userbase in Japan some exclusive games. In NA and Europe you could have justified the exclusivity as the userbase is so much bigger but having them as exclusive 360 games was just retarded from a pure business point of view.

[artsaber]

Worst business decision software-wise that I've witnessed. Be proud of those lack of sales SE, you've definately earned it.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

But having FFXIII exclusive to the PS3 in Japan is a good thing?

A lost sale is a lost sale.

I don't know considering its done worse than all past FF games in sales so far, while something like Dragon Quest is blowing the doors off. Like someone said above, maybe SE should just stay exclusive to the DS since they obviously have the real money making base established there.

MS published 2 of those JRPG's so business wise it was not a bad move for SE. They want to break into the west, MS wants SE to dev on their system and need exposure in Japan. Sounds like a good deal, if the sun doesn't rise and fall on the almighty PS3 brand.. Console bashing aside of course.

[violentbydezign]

Square should have stuck to it's roots which is Nintendo and Sony PS3 Why buy milk when you got a Cow @ home.

[massapeal]

i really don't care because i am not a big rpg fan but i do own 360 and a ps3 but the main game that i am waiting for is GOW3 out of the hole line up and i might get GT5 but i will wait for the review for this game...

[ScubaSteve1]

lol ff 14 is NOT A RPG its a MMORPG

[Envision Skylimit]

I Agree!!!

[dkgshiz]

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[dkgshiz]

No idea who thought about releasing JRPGs on the 360. I mean the 360 is notorious for its shooters. Why would FPS gamers want to play JRPGs? DURP!!! Its easy to tell why there games bombed.

[Tripl3seis]

SE dropped the ball hard with this one how the hell as a company are going to make rpgs for a console that dosent sell well with rpgs? that i dont get because if you noe that you have a history with the ps brand of selling rpgs and and in return you will make money and on top of that you are back stabbing youre fan base? but ooh well is there lost not mine.

[CaulkSlap]

Omfg I can't even listen to this guy. We all know it was a really stupid move. Who knows what the hell they were thinking.... etc.

[dkgshiz]

MS tried to expand there audience on the 360 to a new selection of games. Well, it backfired. 360 gamers only like shooters its very obvious.

[Paracelsus]

"The reason that Square-Enix decided to produce titles like The Last Remnant and Star Ocean 4 on the 360 was because they wanted to try and touch a wider install base. This has been something that Square has been striving for since the beginning of this generation, which is why they now own Eidos.

Also games like The Last Remnant and Star Ocean 4 were of unusually low quality. Star Ocean 4 more so."

Not really, no. The reason why SO4 was on 360 first is the fact Microsoft has indirectly paid for the tri-Ace engine, funding Infinite Undiscovery, a "while you're at it, throw SO4 in the package as well" kind of situation. This not even considering the fact that IU wasn't probably wanted from Microsoft itself, it likely was just a low-tier tri-Ace IP (Radiata Stories) whose platform hadn't been decided, and that they happened to buy.

[DJexs]

when he said that microsoft is trying to establish the 360 over in japan the only way they can do that in my opinion is if they lower the price sony is a very very well and high rep brand in japan I remember reading somewhere that the psp is most used by the Japanese teen generation right now sony has a tight grasp on the Japanese market and if microsoft wants in they have to drop the elites price.

[Why Dis 0]

keep crying

[UltimaEnder]

What a sad sad, and little person, get a life HHG!

I really hope people don't take this as news and think it's true, could really confuse people and talk like you actually know what you're saying.....oh well!

[Justin_bristoe]

the truth is ps owners really have a little much to choose from.oblivion only sold poorly on ps3 because it was a 360 exclusive ported over to the ps3 as i'm sure we all know just like bioshock they came out late and nobody was really dying to play these games anyways. and fallout didn't do that much better on 360. dragon age came out at a time when ps3 exclusives rained for 40 days and 40 nights of course it didn't do great.for 360 owners that game was like a small pig thrown into the wolf pit.u guys were dry all year.ofcourse the few games u got from 3rd parties were gonna fly out.and don't dare mention demon souls,this game had been out for months without a soul knowing due to no promotion so to sell like it has is great.i didn't know this game even existed until i saw it on a utube video.name a 360 game with underground success with zero promotion??

so the truth comes right back to being ps3 has tons of exclusives and plus the 3rd parties to choose from.u guys have halo gear l4d and forza plus 3rd parties to choose from.this leaves tons and tons of money for u guys to lead in 3rd party sales even though thats not always the case and even when u do lead its not some huge difference u should be talking about. comment back on that fat boy slim

p.s.jrpg's dying????? are u smoking crack? there is a high demand for them in fact why the heck do u think ff13 sold like 10 dollar benzes? white knight chronicles ffv13 nier star ocean international.why do u think all these ps3 jrpgs are coming out?? why do u think ms went through all the trouble of pushing all those half azzed rpgs out? ......because they know ppl love them.they just sold crappy on 360 because they were rushed and on 360 in general.playstation is rpg land and thats where rpgs are always gonna shine.but you'll see in 2010

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

god forbid ONLY MS was willing to pay them off in god only knows how much money to get those games exclusive, not MS's fault Sony didn't make offers. The day and age where the console name alone brought loyalty are over as production prices etc.. are rising, devs. are trying to find ways to break even... and even possibly to allocate funds to other games due out. I don't see a problem with it.

Sony fans still get Squares biggest franchise FF is still coming to PS3, so whats the b!tching about? hell, I don't see what people see in that franchise anyways. Sony fans will quickly say Halo is a beat to death franchise with only 1 game, but what number are we on for FF and you're all hyped?...

I personally never played a Square game ever, not on any Nintendo, Sony, or MS console... the only 1 that might peak my interest is the Remake of 7 if it happens, since I heard how BA it was! but turn based RPGS are lame to me so I don't know!

[Renewman]

Once again good show HHG. As for the people calling HHG a PS3 Fanboy, you are an idiot. Just a few weeks ago on the GamesonSmash podcast, HHG was DEFENDING the 360 about Natal and other things Microsoft has done. It just goes to show how nitpicky and fickle the N4G population really is.

[EVILDEAD360]

Let's be 100% honest...

Microsoft has always been clear this generation in regards to it's strategy in regards to Japan. Lure prominent Japanese developers to make exclusives for it's system in order to build it's install base in the country.

Japanese RPGs are easily the biggest genre in that regards. Final Fantasy is obviously the biggest RPG franchise in the universe and the Square Enix cash cow. (and the biggest 360 coupe of the E3 2008)

We all saw this as an impending PS3 exclusive. I commend Square Enix for working with the 360 and offering exclusives for the system. Sure, the 360 gamers didn't get the cream of the crop, but in regards to the japanese audience Star Ocean 4 was indeed a big pick up for a timed exclusive.

The funny part is to see the title get the usual 360 hate when it was released, but check the comments today and you see the 'Im buying the PS3 version Day 1'.

Who guarantees that every exclusive is going to sell and be a massive success. The 360 has had the most overall success with RPGs this gen but are not at all considered a 'definative' or even viable audience. Did anyone complain that Final Fantasy 13 is a PS3 exclusive in Japan? Boy, that would been been a really interesting Japanese showdown of numbers. Did anyone question companies that support the Wii, bringing hardcore games like 'Mad World' and Dead Space' to a family platform and fail to sell?

Are these REALLY legitimate criticisms or is it just another weekly smear attempt at the 360 from a clearly biased PS3 fan with a media outlet. Is this the first time? How many remember the HHG show where the new Final Fantasy screenshots came out and they were used in a show to prove how the 360 was holding back the PS3?

At the end of the day, (Hate it or Love it) this won't change the fact that the 360 got Star Ocean 4, and will soon be blessed with Square Enix's crowning achievement of this generation.

Evil

[GiantEnemyCrab]

No, of course you won't hear a single complaint or peep from these hacks about FFXIII being exclusive in Japan. All those 360 owners being screwed and are forced to import an english version if they want to play it.. Nah, lets just cry about Sony not having it all!

[bozebo]

This isn't exactly news. We all knew that was going to happen before.

[xcox]

i can hear xb!tches crying

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA!

[ichimaru]

I dnt know rather to laugh or shake my head at the title, this site is kinda sad. Really who approves this, then again i used e chew ppl out over companies that couldnt care about anyone.

[Platinum_k]

iunno why.. but his slang is just awful

maybe if he acted just a bit more professional and less clit* clat* i would consider everything he says..

but to me.. this guy makes all PS3 fanboys looks bad

including me =S

[cyberwaffles]

in square enix eyes: money speaks louder than words. it's the only reason why they got heavily involved with the 360.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

thats all i have to say about him and his ten page commeent

[dtrain21]

You jus got owned ! ! ! I like this back and forth smack talk but i'm starting to side with TheTruth2009. The Open Zone in N4G is why I come to this site cuz its hilarious. Keep it up Droids and Bots

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Ugh..

You don't know the circumstances with the development of the existing JRPG's SE has done for the 360. Maybe they had the dev kit's much earlier than the PS3 and just did not have the time to port them. Also, SE has been wanting to break into the West and I know MS was very interested in having them develop for Xbox and they made a deal. What's wrong with that? Sony could of done the same thing and actually they have, dismissing the Xbox and only supporting the PS2. Didn't hear the whining elitest attitudes on that one.

The games were mediocre and that is why they sold poorly so these "masters of the JRPG" are stuck in old game mechanics and far too reliant on the Unreal engine this gen. FFXIII seems like they are getting back on the right track but then I look at Neir and say WTF.

This elitist attitude is sickening.. SE owes the PS3 NOTHING.

"The problem is that Microsoft isn't the definitive console for this type of audience which has left a bad taste with many gamers"

translated: Butthurt PS3 fanboys are mad because SE doesn't bend over backwards for their system and their system only.

Why cry about the fact that MS does what they need to in order to build the Xbox brand? When Sony launched the PS1 they had to build the brand just like MS has to do.. I know you miss this stuff HHG because your PS3 fanboy goggles are on so tight..

The main difference in sales is Japan, which would of been greater but if those same JRPG's were released in the US exclusive to the PS3 they would of more than likely saw similar sales.

You come to a bunch of conclusions based on what you read on the internet and your own assumptions. You have no proof or facts to back up any details of the deal between MS and SE. The only thing you do have is that sickening PS3 elitist attitude that the gaming industry rises and falls on Sony and that for some reason they deserve it all. I don't ever see you writing this type of garbage about Agent being exclusive considering GTAIV sold more on the 360.

Was it really a failure? You have no details of the money involved and SE have opened up their games to a whole new platform..

[gidion27]

Should be disclaimer that article is from Hiphopgamer in the title. That way I save precious download time.

[hoops]

This is a BUSINESS. Not a happy loving fanboy areana.
The reason Square and ALL other game devs this generation have gone platform is because of MONEY and the increasd costs to make next generation games.
Only 12 year old fanboys still in grade school cry like babies stating:

"You BETRAYED ME SQUARE!!!!!"

ALL GAME DEVS THAT HAVE GAMES EXCLUSIVE TO ONE CONSOLE GET PAID HUGE MONEY AND FUNDING IN SOME FORM TO KEEP IT ON ONE SYSTEM. If you think otherwise...LOL Pass on the pixie dust 12 year old and welcome to the real world of doing business.

[Britney Spears]

you don't get it. if it's for money then why didn't ps3 get star ocean day 1 and last remant as well?

[CrippleH]

Got owned by britney spears.

[Platinum_k]

3/5 of those 360 games are still shooters!(more like aim and press the drigger button)

plus all those 360 games looks like crap (visuals&graphics)

BOOM!
yeah, the truth is hurting...

[gameman]

and they are trying to make it up with sony see SO4 it's way better on the ps3 then the flopbox and after the sales of ff13 they are now going to be sorry

[Paracelsus]

"You don't know the circumstances with the development of the existing JRPG's SE has done for the 360. Maybe they had the dev kit's much earlier than the PS3 and just did not have the time to port them. Also, SE has been wanting to break into the West and I know MS was very interested in having them develop for Xbox and they made a deal. What's wrong with that? Sony could of done the same thing and actually they have, dismissing the Xbox and only supporting the PS2. Didn't hear the whining elitest attitudes on that one."

Again, like before it's "no".

Namco at first said that Vesperia was on 360 first because the console was out first, and then said that at a certain point during development they could have switched to multiplatform development (it happens a lot of times, it's not they desperately needed to release Vesperia in 2008), but they didn't for "certain reasons". Why didn't they do that when it was crystal clear that the X360 had no chances whatsoever in Japan?

Ok, it's possible they actually thought it could have been a ToS-kind of hit (absymal Japanese sales vs awesome US sales), even if you do NOT risk one of your biggest IP on a console which is dead in the market where your IP sells the most. Anyway, it didn't work like they hoped for, they got average-at-best sales on both fronts. Luckily for them the strategy did pay off because the Japanese PS3 version sold way better than the 360 counterpart (best result for a Tales of since Abyss, and it's a PORT), all things considered, but what about SO4? It's a straight up port with dual audio and target switching and a not-so-good word of mouth, what will happen with that? Worldwide it sold less than half than the prequel (which is actually a sequel), and it will end up selling less than expected on PS3, all of this after the TLR and IU bomba (don't let the massive US overshipping of both the games deceive you, you could find them at half price pretty much everywhere after one month). Wow, what a deal. This not even mentioning that the hardware boost 360 enjoyed in Japan could have been PS3's, helping FFXIII sales which as you can see are suffering from the lack of userbase. If you want to "help" 360 to increase the base, at least make FFXIII multiplatform in Japan too. ._.

Fact of the matter is: you 360-only owners can very well rejoice about the 360 massive -Exclusive- support, support that nonetheless was totally uncalled for, unnecessary and most of all destabilized the Jrpg homeconsole market for over two years, because the only console that could have withstood the DS Jrpg reign was c***blocked for all that time. Even the Wii suffered from all of this, because regardless of how weird the userbase is, they didn't have Jrpg support either except for when it was too late.

They should have been multiplatform titles from the get-go, that's all it needs to be said, because the only one who really profited from the whole thing was Microsoft, the companies involved find themselves with a hat made of money and a bunch of screwed IPs in their hands.

[StarCSR]

1. JRPGS just aren't that popular anymore
2. The JRPGS of this gen weren't very good, except for Lost Odyssey
3. Square is the one who made all choices and made all games...MS had nothing to do with their choices.
4. Lost Odyssey sold almost as much as Arkham Asylum on 360. Or at least: it's been played almost as much on Live.