Dragon’s Dogma 2 releases to mixed user reviews, as microtransactions criticised

Players can pay to edit their character, resurrect the dead and other actions.

[AdonisIsBeast]

Who cares as long as it’s optional

[phoenixwing]

paying to edit your character is kind of crap as far as microtransactions go

[Xristo]

I hate any/all MTX in a paid game (especially a full-price game)... but know that you can spend in-game currency (RC), which you get from killing mobs, to completely remake your character.

[phoenixwing]

@xRisto how much did it change the gameplay though? Changing your character would have probably not cost any rc if they weren't hellbent on getting money by making it inconvenient

[koga88]

You can literally edit your character using in-game gold, dropped from monsters or obtained from selling items, as soon as you reach the first main town. You can even use Rift Crystals obtained from other people using your pawn or dropped from monsters to change your entire character or Pawn. It's paying to avoid doing something that is literally in the game.

[PRIMORDUS]

They are lucky there using Denuvo or their game and all future DLC etc. would be for free. 🤣

[phoenixwing]

@koga you completely missed the point i was making but go ahead and act like i'm being the wrong one

[lucian229]

you can pay ingame currency though; why are ya so derp

[Crows90]

Capcom cares quite a bit....hence why it was kept from reviewers and initial impressions.

As far as optional...yeah...ALL mtx are optional. That's not the problem. The miss the mark entirely.

Heck buying the game is "optional" too.

The fact that they were hiding this is scummy as hell. I was going to buy this day 1 or day 3. Now I'm reconsidering the purchase entirely because as the reviews point out...there are certain design decisions which have not changed but funnily enough seem to be remedied by these mtx...

In other words they may have left certain features in the game in order to monetize them. So the mtx affected the development of the game in a negative way.

[garos82]

I'm certainly not buying it anymore. It has affected at least one sale from me. I'll pick it up second hand

[peppeaccardo]

Very close to buy the game at a discounted price but not anymore.
Bad business practice and hence they do not get my support/money !

[warriorcase]

It wasn't kept fromreviewers s though. Twitter reviewers are saying there was mention of mtx's in the reviewers guide

[-Foxtrot]

STOP. USING. THAT. SHITTY. EXCUSE

God damn man

Look how DLC changed after Oblivions horse armour, within 10 years most developers took the absolute p***. What was said then aswell? “It’s only optional who cares?” Now look where we all are.

There’s no half measures with these things, when will people realise this.

[jwillj2k4]

Oh it’s gonna get worse. Ng+ locked behind mtx, “cool downs” preventing you from playing for more than 3 hours at a time unless u pay the mtx for unlimited access, main campaign bosses, in-game music, certain dialog, difficulty modes, certain npc interactions, all locked behind mtx, etc.. etc. gonna end up being like the NBA 2k games eventually paying for cross overs and shit… They gon get mid-evil on our asses.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

I can guarantee most of the items you can buy with mtx and ingame currency wouldn’t exist in ANY paid form if the main goal wasn't monetization. If the goal is to give idiots who are willing to pay for basic game features as mtx a way to do things faster then the only ones the mtx hurt are the non paying players as you are now locking features behind a grind that you chose to put in the game that you are essentially admitting to creating some type of time sink. I have never heard of a game locking basic character editing behind a ingame paywall, it’s usually just an option.

[Chard]

Takes two to tango though - unfortunately people buy this garbage which incentivises the behaviour. It's an inevitable outcome of the profit motive

[Christopher]

https://i.imgur.com/unISlGa...

[mariopasta]

omg is that real?

[thorstein]

@Mario

Yes. And so are resurrection "Wakestones." You can find them but they're rare.

[mariopasta]

@thorstein Wow, just wow

[victorMaje]

Buying the game is now very optional too. If you don’t know why then you don’t get it.

[shinoff2183]

Because it's only a door way. That's why we care. We've already seen some shit since Mtx was introduced.

[Rimeskeem]

1. DD2 is an ARPG with 8 different playable classes
2. There is no multiplayer aspect to the game
3. You can only have one character (have to pay for more)
4. You cannot delete the character unless you go into the game files
5. The game is $70 dollars upfront

Having to pay for more character slots in a game that *features* 8 playable classes is pretty much not optional for an ARPG.

[Angyobangyo]

Judging from steam reviews, gamers care. Not plastic gamers. Why didn’t Itsuno mention such MTX would be available in-game? Why weren’t the MTXs there for review copies?

[Kiryu1992]

Who cares is how all this started. The many many excuses. Please keep defending these greedy publishers and unfair tactics. We be gamers are the problem

Horse armor

$10 online passes if buying a used copy

Cheat codes gone and are replaced by micro transactions

Unlocking stuff by playing games behind micro transactions and XP boosters

It’s only cosmetic

No one is being forced to spend even though publishers are literally making their games more grindy to force people to play

Full priced games have mobile game type micro transactions

$70 priced games because higher development costs while making record profits and laying off record number of employees

And to play the game early pay us extra $20-30 on top of full price

Release games now and promise to maybe fix them later only to abandon the game

Day one patches that make the games worst

If it’s your favorite game defend the publisher if it’s not hate on another publisher for similar content

[EternalTitan]

How is it optional?

[kenpachi]

Must have picked up some EA crew to put this in the game

[robtion]

Yeah these are really bad ones. Directly impacting gameplay too. Super scummy move. I hope nobody buys them.

[CrimsonWing69]

Yet Helldivers 2 gets a pass? Y’know a GotY contender by the name of RE4 had them and so does Devil May Cry V. The funny thing is I enjoyed both of those games thoroughly without having to buy a single microtransaction.

What I do consider a valid complaint is not being able to start a new game or being able to edit your character. That’s kind of a seriously baffling decision, but then I think how I played Dragon’s Dogma 1 and I never edited my character and I just did a 100% playthrough on a single file and didn’t start a NG since. So, I don’t think these are really going to impact me, but I can see how it will others.

[Crows90]

Helldivers 2 is a live service game where everything is obtainable in game with incredible ease.

Not sure about re4 or DMC but nobody is giving anyone a pass ...this article is about dragons dogma 2...not those games.

What is valid are in game features made to supposedly force you to think carefully only to have a surprise online store offer solutions to built in problems for more money.

[Goosejuice]

Those same things they are selling can be found Ingame as well. U can buy the character editor through merchants with gold. Don't get me wrong..I dislike these mtx they are doing but you don't need to buy them to be able to get them.

[CrimsonWing69]

Oh my bad, I can’t bring up games with microtransactions that nobody had a sh*t fit over. My mistake.

I love how people move the goalpost.

[Crows90]

@goose
@crimson

All mtx sucks. I'd rather helldiver's not have them because it makes me wonder if the rate at which you collect materials. That said. The games features are all fully enjoyable and aren't affected by the mtx.

That's not the case with dragons dogma 2...they left in place features that are supposedly part of the challenge of the game only to let you buy your way out very conveniently. I didn't look through all of them but I've heard some are rare but can be purchased with more money now. Even more so in a game about managing weight load there's a tent, I believe, that you can pay more money for that weighs less than your typical tent...not all sure on all the mtx and I'm aware that you can purchase many through in game vendor but they're incredibly useful mtx that are obtained much more slowly in game...or even a limited amount of them.

Instead is selling fast travel...just let us don't for free....or instead of selling cosmetic changes...how about letting us do it for free...

Nothing in helldivers comes close to this abomination

[Angyobangyo]

One is a single player game and one is a live service game. One is $40 vs＄70. And most importantly, one game is there to spread democracy.

[Ironmike]

It's not incredibly easy for certain things in helldivers though u still have grind quite bit but u ate correct in saying u can eventually get enough medals to purchase stuff

[Moegooner]

Read your comment again and maybe, just maybe you might realise how dumb it was.

[CrimsonWing69]

What was dumb about it? That I pointed out the hypocrisy?

[garos82]

It was extremely scummy that capcom hid this from reviewers. I have no doubt this game is good but these type of microtransactions don't sit well with me. They've lost a sale from me

[Lionsguard]

I was going to pay full price to support this game because I've been waiting for it for forever but I think I'll wait until I get it for free from Epic or a Humblebundle monthly.

[Redemption-64]

I am not defending Capcom, as I am not a fan of MTX in single player games. I do however belive they were open to reviewers about having MTX in their game. The reviewers just decided to leave that part out. Which is very disingenuous. There are some companies that get away with these things. Image if this was done by EA, Ubisoft, or even Activision? I am positive those defending Capcom, would have had their pitchforks ready if the companies listed above did this

[anast]

That's why reviewers can't be trusted. In fact, they are not reviewers at all. They get free codes to talk about stuff they don't understand nor care about.

[Sanctusone]

I mean it was pretty obvious to anyone with eyes...one of the items you get from deluxe edition was in game items.
1500 Rift Crystals - Points to Spend Beyond the Rift (A)
Which honestly I figured they kept a similar mtx system like DMC5 and the optional red orbs.

[Lionsguard]

1500 Rift Crystals doesn't mean anything. The first game had Rift crystals too, you just earned them by people hiring your Pawn and you get it from certain quests.

[anast]

A reviewer's job is to point out the obvious of a product as though they were the consumer. This means reviewers, to do their actual job, would need to review the complete game: the edition they are reviewing, how they got the game, technical aspects, story, and monetization scheme. Since, it is obvious that MT's are a part of the game, it would need to be reviewed. This way people can be informed, so they can decide if they want to play this style of game/monetization scheme.

For example, AC Origins was bad with Mt's. I had to farm side missions or pay to advance the story. This was after I already did close to 25 or more side missions. While I was grinding there were constant reminders that I could pay to ease the grind. I would have never bought the game if it were reviewed properly.

[Inverno]

Apparently it's all just stuff that's obtainable by playing the game. Made for the idiots that buy games but don't wanna play through em. Just don't include em? You just released a 70 dollar game, people are buying it full price, there'll most likely be a paid expansion, people will buy that too, why include mtx?

[robtion]

Yes, this kind of thing leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.
All this kind of thing does is make customers feel like they have been tricked and destroy any good will they had built up with fans.

[ZeekQuattro]

They just had to do it huh? Sneaky. Sneaky.

[Brazz]

Realy Capcom? You had so much wins lately, why tarnish such good track with such greed attitude!?

[Psychonaut85]

If they’re just cosmetic or TRULY optional, I don’t tend to care. But the problem is things like AC: Odyssey, where they intentionally create the grind to be too slow, or otherwise make the experience unpleasant, then try to sell you a solution to the problem they created. In a full price game. Not sure if that is the case here. But if so, it’s scummy. Especially when you’re also giviny people frame rates in the 20s in town and NPCs drawing in like 3 feet away from the character. Nah.

[robtion]

You should care even if they are 'just' cosmetic. That is a ridiculous excuse that greedy companies use and people should not go along with it.
Cosmetics in games matter. They are one of the main rewards people strive for in many games, especially in a game with heavy customisation and role playing elements.

[Psychonaut85]

I see your point. I don’t like it in a full priced game like this, especially when you have things like Spider-Man that have like 30 suits, plus more added later for free. But it doesn’t bother me to the extent that monetizing aspects that interfere with game mechanics does.

[Armyofdarkness]

Sneaky fucks, exactly like RE4. But I'm just playing it like the MTX doesn't exist. Great game btw!

[isarai]

Ugh, I would've known they were charging to re-design your character i wouldve bought it used. Sh!t move keeping this hidden for us to find on release. 😒

[blackblades]

I see why steam receiving nothing negative reviews. Was that the reason?

[isarai]

Well the PC version is a mess in the performance department also, so that's definitely not helping

[anast]

The reviewers knew. Capcom didn't hide anything from them.

[Murdability]

Big ole yikes

[8bitAssassin]

So first terrible framerate across the board and out the gate and now a game that should not need nor have MTs, period?

I'd like to first say a big fat F & U to you P.C elitists, who sword swallowed this game to death. Then I'd like to say F & U to the clowns who lauded this game, because there was others releasing the same day. Congratulations on eating that crow with mustard.

[Chocoburger]

Stop buying games day one. Wait weeks or even months after release, and stop being surprised when publishers do scummy business practices.

[Rebel_Scum]

Nah I’ll buy the games I want day 1 thanks. All these companies will have reporting data on mtx payments.

Buying the game has no impact on mtx. If no mtx are bought the practice will die out because there will be no return on the investment to create them.

[Chocoburger]

Actually its the opposite, buying the games, and not buying the micro-trash-actions only makes things worse. Adding micro-trash-actions is trivial, doesn't take time, whether they are purchased or not doesn't affect the publisher. Whether the game is purchased or not will in fact affect the publisher.

Keep making the industry worse for everyone, including yourself. Thanks.

[blackblades]

The games shouldnt be released with all the issues. People shouldn't be forced to wait fpr them to fix there game when the game is already out. The devs should know if there games are a mess or not via testers. They must be skipping out on testers to cut cost or something.

[robtion]

That is good advice but not realistic for most people.
People are excited and have waited forever for a game they are not going to wait extra months or years voluntarily.
Publishers need to be held accountable. I think these kinds of things should be regulated to stop greedy and unethical MT practices but it won't happen.

[Chocoburger]

The embarrassing need for constant instant gratification.
Publishers need to be held accountable, of course, so what shall we do about that? BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY RIGHT NOW! Problem solved! Congrats.

Or, perhaps, not buy everything immediately? Not pre-order broken micro-trash-action filled games? I know the correct solution, but it appears that many do not.

[anast]

I've waited years for this game, but I can't buy it. Not because of the MT's, but because of the Youtuber and Celebrity pawns.

[robtion]

@Chocoburger As I said you are correct and it is good advice but it is not going to happen. It's not how groups of people work. Greedy companies know that and it is why they continue to get away with this kind of thing.

[Michiel1989]

Why Capcom....just why....
Do NOT support this shit people, pirate it and play it but whatever you do, do NOT give capcom money for any part of this.

[raWfodog]

Nah I can never condone pirating a game. If you don’t want to give the company any money for their product then that’s all well and good. But that doesn’t justify you stealing their product.

[Michiel1989]

A new sense of pride and accomplishment once you paid your way through a bossfight.

[Valkyrye]

Crashes and freezes on PC, wonder what could be causing it cousin Irdeto?

[H9]

Capcom being Capcom, they thought because not many people raged about this practice in RE4 they will get a pass here as well

[SDuck]

but is the game good?

[Firebird360]

My only gripe is the framerate on consoles.

[bamboo313rd]

I say screw them. Download a trainer if you're on pc. Infinite gold!

[PRIMORDUS]

Oh well since EMPRESS pirate person or group is not around anymore (that's what I read on Reddit) I guess Denuvo will not be cracked and if this game was cracked all future DLC would be free along with that microtransaction shit.

[psplova]

Just in case anyone is wondering how these mtx's actually work in the game, this video explains it for you.

https://youtu.be/QDqC2TgB01...

[TheKingKratos]

Actually if you guys played the first part ... You don't need to pay for any of that

All of it is in game and can be bought using in-game currency

The problem is that they should have said that from the start for people who don't know or didn't experience the first game