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Microsoft studio investments appear to pay off in Xbox Games Showcase

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Rimeskeem1407d ago

Well, at least we know those devs are good at making CGI trailers I guess.

King_Noctis1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

I might be wrong, but Forza Motorsport, Halo Infinite, Grounded, The Outer World DLC, and Psychonaunt have their gameplays shown.

IRetrouk1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Forza had no gameplay shown, it was an in-engine video.

King_Noctis1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

“ Forza had no gameplay shown, it was an in-engine video.”

I don’t think we need gameplay for a circuit racing game. It would just look boring, at least for me anyway.

Edit: you’re right, I just had another look at the video, it is in-engine and not gameplay. I thought we had a mixture of both. But I believe that if you had played a Forza game before, you would know what you are getting with this one.

IRetrouk1407d ago

What? Of course you need to see gameplay! What kind of statement is that? You cant point out a games gameplay if there is none....

Hakuoro1407d ago

Sony showed game play for GT 7...

LordoftheCritics1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Doesn't matter if they were shown 1 sec or 20 seconds. The idea is not to do just the minimum.

Were you satisfied? I wasn't.

dietis_h1407d ago

@king: why should we NOT see gameplay? why is it that you guys keep defending microsofts crap?

Atticus_finch1407d ago

Forza was running at 30fps. So no.
The other games where probably running on PC.

oasdada1407d ago

The outer world's and psychonauts are also crossplatform games and grounded looked like a last gen game.. way to sell thr "most powerful" console ever

tontontam01407d ago

Forza Trailer is @30 fps, does that mean the game is 30fps?

S2Killinit1406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

That halo showing looked sub par at best. Whatever it was.

Latex741406d ago

No forza game play at all

gamer78041406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

In engine graphics so In between cgi and gameplay.

VersusDMC1406d ago

Outer Wilds DLC and Psyconauts 2 are coming to PS4 as they were in development with other publishers before Microsoft bought them.

umair_s511406d ago

Lol. Gotta hand it to you PS boys. There is nothing that looks close to Forza Motorsport visually. The quality on display was second to none. Take off your fan goggles and look.

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AngelicIceDiamond1407d ago

You buy studios 2 years ago what do you think they're gonna show? It's either announce nothin and you'll be in here crying about MS having no games. Or show early stuff and still cry. Either way ppl like you are gonna cry anyway right? I mean am I right? Catch 22?

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crazyCoconuts1407d ago

I knew they wouldn't have much just looking at the studios and what they've been working on. Sony has a similar predicament, though not as bad. The f'in crazy thing to me is that the 2 things that had lots of time for development and refinement ( Halo and Forza) were a disaster and a no show. It's inconceivable

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dietis_h1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

why did they even have to buy studios in the first place when they have every opportunity to match sony on exclusives?

stop making excuses for them. its getting pathetic now.

crazyCoconuts1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

@dietis you're both right. We shouldn't make excuses for Microsoft not acting until recently to take games seriously. That strategic error is going to follow them no excuse can save them at this point. Angelic is also right in saying it's going to take a lot of time for those investments to pay off, and we can't expect those studios to be ready with AAA exclusive games yet. I would add that even when they are ready with games, it's UNLIKELY that those games will be at the level of excellence that Sony's games are at because Sony has somehow cultivated absolutely amazing studios and they're at the top of their game. So we have to temper expectations. Even with that, their Halo/Forza franchise should have been in a position to impress and they didn't, which puts Xbox at an even bigger disadvantage.

Xb1ps41407d ago

No you’re not right for the simple fact that those developers didn’t just start existence when they were bought, simply put I found it hard to believe that not a single studio purchased had a single game in its chamber well into development..

15 studios and they all needed 4 yrs plus for a game?

ThereGoThatManQ1407d ago

Votes say you’re wrong.

You guys forget Sony is also in the console run and they are doing fantastic. It’s not our fault if Xbox has bad business

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IRetrouk1406d ago

Slish, halo has had about 5 years, forza has had 3, they had more than just those devs and the new ones they bought, they have had plenty of time to have games ready, a whole gen and a half infact, I was honestly excited about this upcoming gen from ms, but going by everything they have said/done/shown so far it has all really tempered my excitement, it's almost like they dont know what they are doing, it seems crazy to me that they have yet to show any series x gameplay 4 months before release, it's made it a honest wait and see for me.

sinspirit1406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

So, what's your actual point? Not to criticize them for waiting so long to at least prepare for this generation, let alone doing nothing all last gen?

So, we shouldn't criticize them because we know the reason why they're not prepared? We should do what then? Trust that in 3 years of waiting that they'll finally have gameplay of games from these CGI trailers?

They waited so long to act. They played with 40+ million consumers who already bought their console, saying that sales don't matter, while running the biggest PR campaigns, running buzzwords, and exploring methods to get more customers rather than focus on the ones that were there. Then finding ways to squeeze more money out of those same consumers without providing games. They only finally did something just before next-gen and found it's too late. Now they are going to launch a box that isn't ready content wise and exploit early adopters again by relying on old tactics and spin again. If sales truly didnt matter, then they would be delaying the console, maybe even allowing a few more improvements to actually make the performance difference enough to notice, and allowing devs time to get quality experiences on the hardware. No, they want to play with hope again and try to release it this year to strike the market they aren't even ready for, while confusingly trying to act pro-consumer with PR statements that they contradict.

S2Killinit1406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

@AngelicDiamond
At this point crying might be the sane thing to do. Or else you can wait till E3

@CrazyCoconuts
“Sony has somehow cultivated absolutely amazing studios and they're at the top of their game.“

I agree wholeheartedly. I believe the reason has to do with Sony’s background in entertainment. So, when it comes to storytelling, Their studios draw upon that collective experience.

Off point:
I have a hunch ND’s next franchise will be a superhero society. Something along the lines of the Sony owned Amazon Prime series “The Boys” (awesome btw) and “My Hero Academia”. I think The cards you collect in TLOU are foreshadowing their PS5 franchise. Anyone else get this feeling?

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Bathyj1407d ago

The biggest disappointment for me was ninja theory. Seriously after all the boasting I heard about graphics not only did they not have any gameplay they didn't even have another trailer just a stupid announcement about it Dev diary on location scouts.

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Bathyj1407d ago

I get there will be more events but MS had to really knock it out of the park here.

Let's look at the timeline of events here and realise that momentum is a hugely important thing leading up to launch.

MS had good momentum 6 months ago. They were all about their power, Sony were saying nothing, except their hardware reveal which I really liked but many found too boring.

Then in a matter of months MS have their 3rd party "gameplay" reveal which everyone hated. Sony meanwhile have TLoU2 and GoT state of plays which are fricken awesome. Both games release and are critically acclaimed and sell by the bucket load. Epic side with Sony and show off UE5 which blows everyone's minds, the the PS5 event happens and makes the Xbox show look decidedly average.

So it's fair to say momentum has shifted drastically and Microsoft had a lot riding i6n this. And they dropped the ball big time. Halo looks terrible graphically. Unpolished and current Gen looking. This is their flagship game. Hellblade their graphics tent pile was absent. Nothing looked next gen except medium. Everything else was just a trailer.

And it was all on PC. I don't mean the games will come out on PC I mean the trailers were literally running on PC.

Sloppy sloppy work Microsoft you're not giving me any reason at all to jump in on your side. It's a new gen and I will buy whatever console looks like it will give me the games I want. I saw nothing to entice me to get a second console when I already know I'm getting a PS5.

Atom6661407d ago

Can we really blame devs nowadays for not wanting to show off gameplay of games still in development?

I think the media and many, many gamers have proved that they lack the maturity to appreciate that games change throughout development. When we're not screaming downgrade on games from top devs like CDPR, we're counting blades of grass or mud physics.

There reaches a point where gameplay has to be shown imo, but the mob attacks over every little thing.

Take the guys at Insomniac. That Miles Morales game launches in a few months. For their big trailer, they show a CGI intro, in game cinematics, and what might be 5 secs of player-controlled gameplay.

Sure, we'd love to see 5 minutes of actual gameplay, but do we really want 4 months of people criticizing puddles again? Busting out their 10th grade geometry notes to show us how the angle of the sunlight in one screen is off by 15 degrees?

We share a lot of the blame for why we don't get a ton of gameplay anymore. Unless gamers and the media change their "everything is shit" attitude, expect to keep seeing those "cinematic" trailers.

chiefJohn1171407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Well said. That's I said stop focusing on graphics so much and pay attention to the actual gameplay. Halo is a perfect example they released actual shots of what the current build look like, days before the demo and it's good. No complaints but an early build demo ppl couldnt STFU about graphics. Now other devs seeing this and probably won't show off gameplay now till weeks before actual launch.

oasdada1407d ago

We cant blame the devs but comon man keep ur pr on a leash.. specially that greenberg guy and big ol mouth phil.. phill good guy havent done a thing past 7 years and people hail him as a hero.. all he does is talk BS

Atom6661407d ago

I feel like a lot of the problems would be fixed if they just said "deep dives into individual gameplay will be shared in seperate videos where we can really show things in detail. For now, we want to give fans of a variety of genres a look into what we have coming." Then do your little 1-2 minute trailers and release more vids on your media channels later.

I would have tossed Greenburg a long time ago myself. I have to believe he's really good at something else behind the scenes, because I don't get it.

I like Phil, and believe he's got their division in the right place overall. He can't take 100% of the blame all the time, just like he can't take 100% of the credit. People act like it's a one man show over there. Why don't people call out Booty for any of their disappointments in 1st party games over there? What about Loftis? Where is Ross to take the fall for Halo criticisms?

But on topic, if I was a dev, I wouldn't show gameplay, I wouldn't engage with people on Twitter, and I wouldn't kiss the media's ass with review copies and free merch.

I probably wouldn't be able to sell many games that way, but dealing with the constant hate and bullshit would push me over the edge.

stuna11406d ago

That's funny you should say that! "I think the media and many, many gamers have proved they lack the maturity to appreciate that games change throughout development ". Because as it stands the vitriol comes moreso from the Xbox camp when looking at that issue! Why do you think it's always a contest concerning multiplatform games? Everything hAs to be better on Xbox even when it isn't!

You know something is wrong when you have to base your argument on a 3rd party game to support your claims! Right now it's not even subjective that practically the majorty of Sonys 1st party games have literally decimated everything Microsoft has released almost this entire generation, whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd party. Yet we'll have the odd one in the crowd try to make the comparison, when in all actuality there really isn't any comparison. Why do you think Microsoft pushes B/C so tough? because that is the only area they can effectively compete in at the moment.

Microsoft themselves know they have a problem, especially if They've seen the meme of the character models of Joel from the Last of Us, and the model of that gorilla creature in Halo!? There you have a 4.2 teraflop console effectively competing with a 12 teraflop console or PC equivalent and besting it visually! Something is wrong with that picture.

Atom6661406d ago

@stuna

Close your eyes and pretend it's some time between 2013-2017 (up to the time of the X release).

Now read your fanboy rant again and enjoy the irony with me.

(And I know it's the weekend, but that's no reason to skip a dose of adderall.)

stuna11406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

You should know when a person ain't got nothing, when they have to belittling and resort to name calling, but have yet to offer a counterargument!? Adderall is the best you can do? Lol.

Bathyj1406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

Obviously releasing gameplay is a risk anytime you put something creative out into the world it's going to be judged and you might not always like that judgement. But if your product is of good quality then you will standby it.

Look at when Killzone shadow fall was announced. look at when Horizon was announced and more recently look at when the new ratchet and Clank was announced.

All those games looked amazing and they didn't have to hide behind smoke and mirrors.

Don't make excuses. Halo infinite looks current gen and worse still it looks incredibly unpolished graphically. This game should be nearly complete and going into the bug testing stage.

If you like it that's fine Microsoft is apparently very good at drawing a lot of customers that are very forgiving to them. But don't act like all the Xbox fanboys and Microsoft themself haven't been screaming world's most powerful console for the last 6 months. And this is how they prove it with their flagship title? So not good enough.

Atom6661406d ago

@stuna

I think I made my point. You on the other hand, tried to make 17 points in some incoherent venting session.

Focus, son. Try not to spew a decade's worth of fanboy bullshit to me in a single comment. Got to learn to space that shit out.

@bathy

I'm not trying to speak for "all" of any group or a corporation. I'm not sure why you took it to Halo when that is the one game no one can say that they didn't show footage of.

The point I made is in response to the "no gameplay" talking point. There's a valid reason why devs don't want to show gameplay, which is to my point.

But just so we're clear, I'm going to play Halo, because I'm a fan. I'm going to play a lot of games on PS5 and Switch too, because I'm a fan of their games too. Some will show me CGI trailers, and some will show me gameplay during their reveals. Somehow I will muster the mental strength to overcome this incredible challenge that befalls me.

And somehow I won't spend hours of my day hating on games for the sake of it.

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medman1407d ago

The games look interesting. The only caveat is no gameplay. I get it....they're all super early in development. But it kind of makes you wonder....Microsoft has been trailing in console sales from the start of this generation. Halo Infinite was supposed to get released on xbox one, but was pushed back for the launch of series x. I find it incredible that not one single Microsoft first party studio has a game designed from the ground up for series x that is due to launch in the first year of the consoles release. Not a single one. Staggering disappointment.

I hope all these titles turn out to be great. I look forward to playing them. It's just extremely questionable how all of them are so early in development.

EazyC1407d ago

They would go straight into my gaming 'Room 101', along with rebooted titles and microtransactions

GOULDYBOBS1406d ago

@bathyj Please elaborate on what ps5 games appear to be "next gen" in your opinion? Other than a cell shaded platformer ratchet and clank 8. FYI I am not biased to either consoles if anything I steer towards PS (pc gamer who has owned every PlayStation). To me it would appear to be ps4 with better loading times but then my opinion might have been jaded having had a 1060 6gb (equivalent of a pro) and now a 2070 super. Personally I am disappointed in both consoles offerings and am only interested in HZD2

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Automatic791407d ago

Xbox has a lot of games in Development. We know this for over a year since every interview Team Xbox has been telling us. Gamers wanted Xbox to improve and they are. I am impressed with the launch lineup. I absolutely think if Xbox pursues their plans of realizing 4-5 solid games a year we are going to have a beautiful generation. I am pushing for more positive dialogue on this website(whenever I provide opinion). Please feel free to share comments, good or bad. I will be glad to respond.

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2cents1407d ago

it is admirable that you are trying but after being here over a decade, nothing changes except the user names. The vitriol xbox faces here is beyond comprehension. I gave up trying to have debates and conversations here a long time ago. There was so much good stuff shown, for games coming soon and in the works. I am more than pleased and will be picking up the series x day 1. I really am looking forward to the new gen and gamepass is by far the best element of this, knowing that everything shown will be coming to the service. Once x cloud goes live... it will be hard to put down, but n4g will find a way. Good luck with you attempts to encourage positive dialogue, it brought me out of the shadows to comment.

djplonker1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

@2cents

Ps fans for years: halo gears and forza are overrated and overused

Xbox fans: Noo thats not constructive criticism but boy those halo gears and forza games are amazing best in genre.... Sony has nothing like em.

"12tb power vs 10tb Lololol xbox beast"

Halo trailer drops:
"iTs aBoUt ThE GaMeplAy"

Remember sony announcing games that years away from release and that wasn't okay according to xbox fans?

Well those same people are saying its ok if xbox does it.

2cents1407d ago

Nothing anyone says here is new. Same old arguments. Heard it all before. A total inability to stick to the topic, bringing in every argument, excuse and the kitchen sink.
Same from both sides, all bias fans are full of sh*t. Its just there are way more Sony diehards here so the xbox camp and every article is totally swamped by the stench.

Day 1 for both ps5 and xsx for me, I'm really excited for it all, I just don't express it here anymore. Waste of time.

djplonker1407d ago

@2cents

"its just there are more sony die hards"

Almost as if sales do matter....... Get outsold 3 to 1 then expect 3 sony fanboys for every 1 xbox fan.

Simple maths

2cents1406d ago

Simple math does not help improve dialogue.
1 idiotic xbox comment, brings 3 idiotic PlayStation comments. So your assessment leads to reinforcing my first point that this place is overrun by soy bias. Which it clearly is. Also your sideswipe comment about sales also bring to light the point I made about people not sticking to the point being discussed and argue point not brought up assuming everyone thinks the same. For so many this is a competition , whereas for me, gaming is a way of life, every generation being better than the last.

I don't need you or anyone else to like xbox to make me feel better, or vice versa.
What I would like is for people to get along and realise that we have so much in common when it comes to experience gaming and we should have so much to share and talk about in a positive way. But no, not here, not ever.

Whatever the case, enjoy your games and console of choice, maybe let others do the same. Change happens when we change, or you can just continue to flame the fires "because everyone else does". Be different. Be better. Peace.

RauLeCreuset1406d ago

"1 idiotic xbox comment, brings 3 idiotic PlayStation comments. So your assessment leads to reinforcing my first point that this place is overrun by soy bias."

Automatic79 said they were pushing for more positive dialogue. The first 3 replies, including your own, were complaints about Sony fans. Ironic.

djplonker1406d ago

"Whatever the case, enjoy your games and console of choice, maybe let others do the same. Change happens when we change, or you can just continue to flame the fires "because everyone else does". Be different. Be better. Peace."

So you want everyone to be different...... By acting the same way?

Huge logic

2cents1406d ago

The desired outcome of my comments are to assist in constructive dialogue by highlighting the issues that hinder it.

Not by adding to the hate. Read my words as you may.

And with this toe dipping, I'm already done with this place again.
So long and thanks for all the fish.

JohnnyRico3051406d ago

I have 1500 saved for both so I’m just waiting for the preorders to pop up and boom. I’ll have both before Christmas

Automatic791406d ago

@2cents

I appreciate your follow up. We need more like you on N4G. I understand where you coming from. Every so often I give myself a break from N4G and then return. Not sure why I pursue positive dialogue. I don't see why so much hate. Maybe I want to hear an explanation/opinion rather than trolling. Overall, thank you for your response. Also, super hyped for Xbox Series X, especially for Halo Infinite, The Medium, Crossfire X, State of Decay 2, Avowed, Fable, Stalker etc.

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Atticus_finch1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Stop blaming PS fans.
All the constant chest beating and nonstop hype coming from Xbox works against them when they don't deliver. And they didn't.
Lackluster graphics, running on PC, no release dates, 30 fps and games years from finished.
I wouldn't be very happy, but I have standards.

monkey6021407d ago

Thats a great attitude. Fair play to you.

Others will tar everyone with the same brush. From both sides. Not everyone who has an issue with how Microsoft is handling things at the minute is a Sony fanboy. Plenty of Xbox fans have been underwhelmed lately. Microsoft would have always gotten grief for the showing that was inevitable but their touting prior to the showcase is what has really got them in the crosshairs.

Jokes and memes can be made without volatile intentions. I've loved the memes since Thursday. Same as the laugh I got out of the PS5 console reveal a few months ago (and I even like the look of it)

What I would say though is pressure put on Microsoft now can only be a good thing. They're a disaster currently. If backlash is all that's going to sort them out then so be it.

Personally I worried GamePass was going to have an effect on the quality of titles they would release in the future. Ive yet to see that fear be eased. I simply don't have enough faith in Microsoft built up over the years to trust this will work itself out either.

Phil Spencer is con man and Aaron Greenberg is a pleb. Wouldn't mind seeing both get booted to be honest.

All this aside I genuinely hope you and whoever else is excited for it get what you hope for and Xbox does right by you

Automatic791406d ago

@Monkey- I disagree with your comment about quality The Outerworlds, Forza Horizon, Ori 2, Halo MCC, Hellblade, Gears of War, Minecraft Dungeons etc are proof that on Xbox GamePass they have quality games.

monkey6021406d ago

Oh I dont deny the value of Gamepass. So far at least.

Forza, Outer worlds, Gears 5 and a couple of other were great examples of games to get on launch day as part of the service

Bleeding Edge, State of Decay 2, Crackdown, 3, Sea of thieves were not.

My issue really isn't with how gamepass has been so far. Its more how I fear its going to become. Once that foothold is built. The effort will made will drop. Games will become more half baked on launch and "early access" or some such phrase will be used as an excuse. I can genuinely see Microsoft pen the excuse that they want the community to help develop the game into something perfect or some nonsense.

I can already see it with Halo Infinite and the new Forza. Theyre not numbered sequels because they are going to be games as a service. Ongoing attempts at making a bare bones launch into a good game over the following years

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Hakuoro1407d ago

You forgot the /s after the title.

TheHunter811407d ago

It was a PC games showcase. MS already confirmed everything that was shown was running on PC. The real value and what the show was really about was their game pass. There is no reason to buy an Xbox.

Automatic791407d ago

Hunter not sure it was a PC showcase the way your comment paints it. Xbox is showing games far out ahead as many gamers have been asking for.

RazzerRedux1407d ago

His point is those games were running on PC and will be available on PC. There was more PC gaming in that show than Xbox gaming.

Poopmist1407d ago

PC is the clear choice this gen I think if someone were to only pick one

sampsonon1407d ago

God help us all if what MS is doing to gaming becomes the norm.
Sony, i will pay $70 per game as long as you stay the course.

chiefJohn1171407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Hell no I'm not paying $70 for a 12 hour gaming experience idk why you or anyone is okay with that.

IRetrouk1407d ago

What was the last sony 12 hour game? Had to be an indie game surely? Almost everything they have released this gen has been almost double that, if not more......

chiefJohn1171407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Off the top of my head R&C was a 10 hour experience. Majority of non open world/semi open are 12 hours or less. Which is why you see soooo many games going open world nowadays as they last 24 hours or more. It's why MP games are held in higher regard than linear SP games from a value standpoint cause it's more gameplay time for your dollar.

DRambo1407d ago

You get more value from games if you are shit at them.

anonymousfan1407d ago

R&C was not price at full 60 $ retail when it released thus its shorter campaign was still a good bang for your buck.

IRetrouk1407d ago

R&C took about 10 hours to go through the main story, the side stuff took longer, it was also a cut price release, not a full priced game.

So again, what full priced sony game only lasted 12 hours?

Nobody was talking multiplayer vs single player or which is held to a higher regard, you just pulled that from your arse.

Elda1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

That's what having a job is for,to buy things that you need & want including entertainment no matter if it's $70 especially spending that much to own.

chiefJohn1171407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

Multiple devs have said it Phil Spencer has said (y'all took it as him saying SP was dead) and gamers wallets says it.
Knack was a short game although it was a launch game so I'd give a pass. Spiderman was around 12 hours, give a hour.
Detroit
Forgot the name, the game you have powers. my friend had beat that quick
And Uncharted 4 was barely longer than 12 hours barely maybe 14 hours
Tell me I'm lying about any of these games (can't confirm the superpower one tho)

You also said R&C was full price so you should want to keep it that way. Many of those games aren't worth $70

IRetrouk1407d ago

That reach must hurt man🤣
All you are counting is how long it takes to finish the main story, your being dishonest and you know it, so yes you are wrong.

I didnt say r&c was full priced, i said it was a cut price release.....

So I'll say again, other than indies almost every game sony has released has taken longer to complete than the made up figure you stated. Like it, dont🤷‍♂️

chiefJohn1171407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

R&C price comment was a typo I meant to say you said R&C WASN'T full price so you should want to keep it that way. Sorry bout that there.

Uhhh yeah! I'm not including filler content and fetch side quest. We talking the main story. By a % extremely few gamer actually 100% games with side quest. RDR2 side quest is good as the main ones and I still wouldn't include it in this topic. But I'm glad to see you admit the main story for those games aren't that long.

IRetrouk1407d ago

I can see this conversation is going nowhere, you can be as dishonest as you like, I'm just glad you can admit to such a thing👌👍

oasdada1407d ago

Yea 12 hour amazing game vs a 100hour slog.. u keep that

oasdada1407d ago (Edited 1407d ago )

@cheif u say u dont wanna include filler and side content in the playtime but what are u arguing about again? Sea of theives with 0 hour main story? Halo 5 with 5 hour story? Crackdown with id say half an hour bland mindless story.. i could go on forever man... So decide what u want.. a short narrative experience or a long no context filler game that u are actually fighting over.

Hakuoro1406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

chiefJohn117

At least go to https://howlongtobeat.com before you start spewing lies about game times.

Spider-Man just the main story averages 16.5 hours main + side quests is 24.5 hours and 33.5 hours completionist

Uncharted 4 is 15 hours main and 28 hour completionist

Detroit is 12 hours, but it's got a ton of replay-ability so it has a 28.5 hour completionist

And from my experience HLTB times are way faster than an average 1'st play through for nearly every game.

chiefJohn1171406d ago (Edited 1406d ago )

Oasada halo 5 story was longer than 5 hours
And MP is not filler and for many games the main selling point. was crackdown even $60? Doesn't matter cause it a trash game regardless and not worth the price. So it also fits in my statement. I'm not about your fanboy war I'm here to keep it a buck not defending ANY short or trash Xbox game either

Hakuro oooh my bad you list 2 games 2 hours longer 😲 man how did I mistake that...🥱 Anyway like I said I'm not paying $70 for short gaming experiences. If I can get 100+ hours out of it without question I'll pay $70.*
*AAA experiences
(Lmao he actually listed games a couple hours longer like that impressive you only prove my point. You guys clearly used to short games)

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Senua’s Saga: Hellblade 2 launched last week to solid reviews from both fans and players. But its playercount? That's another story.

helicoptergirl3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

That's awful. This combined with the really low Steam numbers paint a disastrous picture imo. Really bad timing too because Tango was closed down for a similar thing. Great reviewed game, and low sales and/or player count. Hi-Fi Rush reviewed a hell of a lot better and it was widely loved by everyone, Hellblade 2 nowhere near that.

I know the rumor is that the studio has their next game already green-lit, but if I worked at Tango, I would be furious. "Why do they survive while we get binned?" I'd be telling myself.

But the suit woman will have you believe "Oh we have different metrics for the success of one studio compared to another studio. We judge each studio and game on their own set criteria" or something like that, I'm paraphrasing here but you get the idea. But no one who works there knows what the hell that even means. I mean the DLC for Redfall was getting worked on days before they even got the news their studio was getting dumped in the trash. So what are these mysterious metrics to let studios survive and others perish? I bet this is all hogwash, I bet MS don't even really know. They just had to make cuts and certain studios just found their way on the chopping block. Someone had to bite the dust, why not you?

Well I bet all this does nothing for the confidence of other employees in other studios. The truth is you have no idea where your career will be in a year from now working at one of their studios that aren't the mega big ones. MS just have too many studios to manage efficiently. "We'll just throw money at them and buy them and worry about the details later on. I mean we can do it, we're Microsoft."

darthv723d ago

...have you seen what the top 10 consists of? Its things like fortnite, roblox, CoD, apex... etc. This being a new game that has a niche appeal is actually surprising to see at 23. Its also the 33rd top paid game on the PC through the MS store.

tay87013d ago

Those are dreadful numbers any way you slice it dude. They hyped this game to hell for the last 4 plus yrs. It was supposed to be xboxs big game this yr. Ninja Theory is probably sweating right now.

Scissorman3d ago

And it's already slipped out of the Top 100 on Steam. Meanwhile a port of the 4-year old Ghost of Tsushima is sitting comfortably at #8.

RiseNShine3d ago

One of the biggest games of the year, a multi million sequel and heavily advertised game, at 23 most played? There's no way to justify those numbers.

darthv723d ago

^^heavily advertised game...?

I mean, I knew the game was coming but outside of a boot screen ad for it, there has been little to no marketing. And yet it still managed 23rd. Make of that what you will.

Elda3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Here in the East Coast on NY/NJ on cable tv Hellblade 2 has been advertised pretty well. I see the commercials every day at least 3 times a day for the past 3 weeks. It's even advertised as YT commercials.

Chevalier3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

What an idiotic comment. Let me guess the next comment would be GTA V outsold everything so....

Absolutely terrible numbers all round for this game. Ghost of Tsushima at number 8. Good games going to sell regardless of excuses

CobraKai3d ago

Nice try on spinning it but it debuting at 23 isn’t a good thing. It’s one of MS anticipated exclusives.

Cacabunga3d ago

That GP adds no value to a game..
ninja theory got it all wrong, from being sold to MS to only prioritizing graphics

jwillj2k42d ago (Edited 2d ago )

23 is high just shows how shite Xbox lineup is. Game should have come at 70’s.

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RpgSama3d ago

What a disaster, 2 failures in a row for Ninja Theory, first Bleeding edge, now Hellblade 2, any way you slice it these are not the numbers the most awaited game of the year for Xbox should show (before Activision purchase), also player numbers is extremely low and even more surprising considering is day 1 on gamepass.

Crows903d ago

If they worked on heavenly sword instead then they would have something worth playing and waiting for... unfortunately that won't happen.

Terry_B3d ago

It means that it will be the..50th? 75th? most played xbox game in June.

anast3d ago

I think it's well below 75th on Steam.

CrimsonWing693d ago

That people played it 🤷‍♂️

Terry_B3d ago

The graphics are great though *fixed it

ChasterMies2d ago

The lowest common denominator isn’t after great games. Look at xDefiant player numbers.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

Not sure how I feel about that game yet.

Scissorman3d ago

If this game cost more and took longer to develop than Hi-Fi Rush, then I would worry if I were Ninja Theory. Projects may have been greenlit, but the increased scrutiny over at MS may very well put them on the chopping block. The incredible irony here is that it was PlayStation players that pushed the original game passed its 1 million copies sold milestone. With that purchasing power cut out, and the Game Pass effect having trained Xbox players to not purchase games, it seems that the sequel may have been set-up for failure.

italiangamer3d ago

And that's exactly what pisses me off about Hellblade 2 not being on PlayStation, Sony promoted the original game and I bought it basically on D1 back in the day because I liked what I saw and ended up really enjoying it!
I really hope Hellblade 2 is next on the porting list because I would buy it in a heartbeat, asshole microsoft robbed me of this game!

darthv723d ago

Just get an xbox. Then it will be YOU that is robbing Microsoft. Gamepass is a hell of a deal and an addictive one at that.

AndrewM3d ago

No darth, buying an Xbox only helps xbox lol he can play gamepass on com if he wants to take advantage of them destroying themselves.

Scissorman3d ago

If anything I would say that these sales figures and player counts may actually fast-track its PS5 port.

Bathyj3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Just get an Xbox? You're kidding right? No one paddles out and jumps on a sinking ship.

I wouldn't buy an Xbox for this lacklustre game and I wouldn't sign up to gamepass if I did. People want to trade their long term sustainable games industry for a short term saving, go ahead and see how it turns out.

Actually we're seeing how that turns out. Unsatisfied Devs. Mediocre games and a failing Microsoft games division.

Rhythmattic3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Hay Darth.. "Just get an xbox"
so.. explain.....what is Xbox ?

GotGame8183d ago

You can play it on PC. Heck you can play it, on just about anything, if you have decent Internet. It is an amazing looking game.

anast3d ago

@Darth

I would have. But ES6 is coming to PlayStation after all, so there's really no need.

MrDead3d ago

darthv72 activity promoting studio shutdowns with that comment.

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Hellblade 2's Excellent Presentation Goes Far Beyond Its Graphics

Hellblade 2 has great presentation, and that includes more than graphics.

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anast4d ago

74 user score on meta. I wouldn't say it includes much more.

PrinceOfAnger3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

81 meta-critic
Steam user score 85% from
(2,677)..

Death stranding
7.4 user score

Last of us part 2
5.8 user score on meta..

Days gone 71 meta-score.

MrNinosan3d ago

All you proved with those numbers is that Xbox fanboys do everything they can to make Sony games look bad and Xbox games look good, while Sony fans mostly are busy playing games instead of review bombing Xbox games.

romulus233d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Death Stranding
82 meta-critic

The Last of Us 2
93 meta-critic

Figured I'd give some context since you conveniently left those scores out.

MrNinosan3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Btw, why not use Meta for every game or doesn't it fit your agenda?

Current Gen scores:
Hellblade 2 - 7.4 User Score (81MC)
Death Stranding 2 - 7.6 User Score (85MC)
Last of Us Part 2 - 8.1 User Score (90MC)
Days Gone - 8.5 User Score (71MC)

Death Stranding on Stean has 91%
Days Gone on Steam has 92%

anast3d ago

Low player count, 23rd played, the game isn't doing well.

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Crows904d ago

Let it die already. Nobody cares...they should have expanded the games systems

Inverno3d ago

Yeah and many games before it have done what it did and more. Why are we impressed by features that have been standard in many games before? Sites are gonna keep up these fluff pieces for a while longer while everyone has already moved onto some indie game that costs less, took less time to make and does more with gameplay. So many games have been killed off by negative reviews and negative opinion pieces for being more of less like Hellblade 2, but nah this one's special.

EternalTitan3d ago

It dosent even go beyond beyond its mediocre combat.
Graphics will get outdated in a mere two years.
And there is no combat system to hold it up.

PrinceOfAnger3d ago

I hope NT show their next game Project Mara in the coming showcase

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Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II Review: A Technical Masterpiece Weighed Down by Mediocrity | CBR

Senua’s Saga: Hellblade II continues Senua’s struggles against her own reality, but undermines its nuances for an Xbox epic that’s lesser in design.

Jin_Sakai4d ago

Hellblade 2 looks incredible but the gameplay is a linear slog from the looks of it.

gold_drake4d ago

yea, you are essentially walking around in a straight sort of line or corridior for the most part and just ... look at stuff.

Sonyslave34d ago

It funny seeing some of these sites that praise the 1st one but not the sequel.🤔

piroh4d ago

Both games have the exact same metascore 81

MrBaskerville4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Maybe because it's different?
Personally I liked the puzzles and combat more in the first one and the story was better.

Bathyj4d ago

From what I've seen this game is worse in every way except graphics

Chevalier3d ago

Yeah agreed! Funny seeing idiot Xbox fans who called the 1st game a walking simulator trying to sell this on graphics alone. Then now 'cinematic' games are cool? Talk about flopping like a politician

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Chevalier3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

"You call people idiotic because you’re actually autistic."

Ouch your IQ is pretty damn low if you think Autism is anything like what you're saying. Lol. Nice spam account. Can't refute anything so just need to make a new account in desperation.

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Chevalier3d ago

"Only a low IQ person would have a comment history that only calls others idiots.

Only one idiot on N4G - you.

P.S. I reported all your comments. Calling people idiots is against the rules"

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andy854d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I'm confused how it's locked 30 on Series X tbh. Admittedly my laptop is a touch more powerful than a Series X but I'm getting 90-100 fps with low settings. Which is still absolutely stunning btw, even at low settings its the best looking game I've played (i play on high though, which I'm getting 60 with DLSS quality mode). I guess it's a CPU thing but surely it was possible

Skuletor4d ago

I noticed the same thing with Gotham Knights, when I was getting over a hundred fps and wondering how the consoles were stuck at 30.

Elda4d ago

The game is mostly walking around while hearing voices, then puzzles then battle sequences then a talking sequence then repeat.

Doomeduk4d ago

I have some stick drift on my controller,I started the game and an Amazon parcel came after a short but enjoyable chat with the driver I returned to see the end credits rolling

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