Bethesda Was “Surprised How Few People Wanted to Take Part in PvP” in Fallout 76

Pete Hines says the team wants to keep building upon the Wastelanders update.

[NecrumOddBoy]

Fallout 4 is being developed in dreams. It's a better community.

[FullDiveDerail]

all this stuff will get removed..people are playing nice right now but its not legal for Sony to profit on other IPs like this. Yes this stuff has happened before

[luckytrouble]

Except Sony isn't profiting on those games. They already got their money for Dreams before the game has even been installed to the buyer's system.

If somebody remakes another IP in Dreams, that's just how the cookie crumbles. I find it odd that people seem to think any fan based recreation that can't actually be sold is somehow super protected. Now, if Sony actively promoted those other IP games as a reason to buy Dreams, they could get in trouble, but imitation has been going on for months and months since the original Early Access launch with zero consequences.

If you're considering fan projects that got C&D'd across the internet, that happened for reasons that ranged everywhere from using original game code to make the project, to simply being too ambitious to not end up resulting in ad revenue or otherwise. They were different beasts one and all.

[Shadowsteal]

How is sony profiting off other's IPs?

[cammers1995]

The others may nay say you but it's definitely true what you say. I helped develop a silent Hill little big planet 2 world and it was removed due to copyright infringement.

[plexdk]

They profit indirectly, from people who buy dreams, to play these creations

[maelstromb]

If anything, these companies that own the IPs will likely send a cease and desist to the players responsible for the development/re-working of their IPs within the Dreams landscape. Although, these circumstances open a possible new legal problem for said companies b/c I think generally copyright pertains to original works, but according to copyright.gov "...does not protect facts, ideas, systems, or methods of operation, although it may protect the way these things are expressed." So, in the case of Bethesda and Fallout 4, they may have legal ground if they pursue Sony and Media Molecule for the latter part of that statement... though the optics of them bringing a case would not look good for them, nor do I believe they would have any chance of winning either. In the end, I firmly believe it would do more harm than good for Bethesda's already tarnished image/reputation regardless of whether they pursue legal action against Sony and/or Media Molecule or the players developing the content.

[Profchaos]

Little big planet has a million Mario remakes scattered across its three titles in unaware of any legal action there

[GamerRN]

Yeah, all going to disappear. You can't just use IPs penned by someone else...

[sprinterboy]

I'm lost for words at your comment, I'm dumb founded.

[jambola]

what about fighting games like soul caliber? amazing that they can make characters from anything and not get
in trouble
it's almost like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

[Muzikguy]

I haven't given the game much thought but I think when PS5 drops I'll pick up Dreams as well.

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It's funny they would think that people even wanted PvP in the first place. That's not what Fallout is about, but then again I haven't played the games either. I do have Fallout 4 still yet to play

[lelo2play]

I thought Fallout 76 was dead already...

[ChrisW]

It's been quite sometime since I've played it... So, I don't know

[georeo]

Wait...there's online play in dream's?

[MasterCornholio]

How about the number of people that are playing the game?

[Christopher]

FFA PvP in a world where you do nothing to stop gank mentality? And people weren't interested in it because only the top 10% ever really progressed? Color me surprised.

[rainslacker]

I think if the game had been what FO players consider fun....and I do discern that group as their own thing....then maybe the people would have been willing to play PVP in FO76.

Should still have PVE though, because some people prefer that. It's a tricky thing to switch up a staple of a franchise, or even just go a specific way with a franchise that was known to do well in both areas. Imagine if Borderlands went full on MP. Like you had to play with a team. While that's a popular feature, a big one at that, I think one reason it's so successful is because it has strong SP campaigns which can be just as fun to play over and over again. FO76 went stronger in the other direction from it's core, while mostly disregarding it's core, and then making a buggy crappy game on top of that.

[JackBNimble]

They could simply have pvp and pve servers like ark does.

[Kaedro]

More like: Bethesda Was Surprised How Few People Wanted to Take Part in Fallout 76

[cammers1995]

They're idiots if they thought people actually wanted an only online fallout game. Nobody asked for it.

[Magic_Spatula]

I actually wouldn't mind a properly done Fallout MMO. This 76 was just a rushed cash grab by Bethesda. If an actual Fallout MMO does happen, I hope Zenimax Studios makes it instead. They've done pretty damn good with ESO. Sure, it was meh at the start, but it's miles better now than what it used to be.

[Name Last Name]

Pete Hines
"Well, I mean at the end of the day, our intention was always, we're going to put this out there, see what folks think, and then cater the stuff that we do later to their reaction.”

lol thanks for the Beta

[rainslacker]

Would have made more sense to put this in as a feature of the core game, and see how it was received. If reception was luke warm, even though it was a good effort, then they'd have their answer. If it took off, then they could milk that like Activision milks COD. They'd still get their service model cash cow, the FO fans would be happy.

They're finding out like some other publishers that catering to one crowd, that can bring huge success, isn't always a prudent business decision.

[-Foxtrot]

All 100 people

A record

[MWH]

All 100 fake accounts.

[LordoftheCritics]

Fake accounts coz even their devs wouldn't play it.

[Kabaneri]

Biggest problem is that Fallout's combat is trash, it plays like an FPS from 2002.

[Good-Smurf]

OK maybe you mentioned average to bad 2002 FPS.
Because when I think of 2002 FPS,007 Nightfire and MOH Frontline comes to mind and those are great FPS.
Fallout 76 can only dream to have such great gameplay like those two games.

[TheColbertinator]

Frontline had a brilliant campaign

[Smokehouse]

I’ve never played a fallout game and thought “wow these controls are great and would make an excellent mp game”. Hence why I’m not surprised.

[TheOptimist]

Humanity has surprised me by being invested in the game. Standards are pretty low.

[Twinblade]

Next time release a fallout game with single player, with an optional online.

[AlphaTrion187]

Facts let us decide not u cram it down our thoughts

[Rangerman1208]

Personally, Fallout is one of those games that's personally better played in co-op than with PvP. Because of how clunky the combat is, PvP feels more like a chore than it needed to be.

[Asuka]

KEKW

[thepatientgamer]

Surprised by how few people want to play this game

[FullDiveDerail]

It's because we just wanted a game like Fallout 4 that we could play with friends.

[cammers1995]

Then they're stupid. Nobody asked for an online only Fallout.

[Silly gameAr]

Im sure there are people that asked for an online Fallout game, just a better quality online game that didn't look like Bethesda crapped it out, and sold the dump they took for 60 bucks.

[glennhkboy]

... which Bethesda did.

[JohnnyRico305]

Maybe if their game engine wasn’t so old people would wanna take part ijs

[AK91]

Bethesda your idiocy never ceases to amaze me.

[smolinsk]

How the f could you be surprised by that.. In a game like that it's obvious a game that has a lot more potential as a co-op game.. How stupid could they be.. Amazing

[toddybad]

Tbf I actually have some sympathy, which is unlike me as i generally hate online only games.

If you had a fallout world where everybody came out and either worked together or didn't and set up factions.....in a way that sounds like a realistic potential fallout world.

[kryteris]

PVP would have been great if it complimented the game. The problem was that there wasn't really a game in that mess of code.

[GameStallion]

Shows how out of touch Bethesda is right now. People wish they would have been working on another epic single player campaign, not a lazy cash-in mess of a game. I think the success of Fallout Shelter ruined their identity and made them greedy.

[carcarias]

Maybe the game mainly attracted fans of the single-player versions; people who may want to add co-op when they feel like it but otherwise are happy with a wide open sp style experience.

[Ninver]

They must really think their s**t dont stink. Either that or they have way too much faith in this garbage juice game.

[jjb1981]

EDIT: Bethesda Was Not “Surprised How Few People Wanted to Take Part in PvP” in Fallout 76

[BlaqMagiq1]

I'm surprised by how many people wanted to take part in this game

[Endyo]

The combat of modern Fallout games is one of the weakest components outside of the inclusion of the VATS mechanic.. and of course that's just some weird derivation in Fallout 76. So why would people want to mix latency in with that?

[jlove4life]

Real title is surprised no one wants to play at all until done right not buggy cash grab

[isarai]

1)people barely play it period let alone a PVP mode no one asked for
2)fallouts gunplay is basic, bareboned, and unsatisfying which is fine for an RPG as other things carry the gameplay, but for PVP it's abysmal.
3)with the pay 2 win microtransactions in place you've destroyed any chance if an even playing field
4)so f#@k off

[jznrpg]

Well when I think Fallout the last thing that comes to mind is PVP . They should have PVP servers for people that want it and PVE for people that don’t .

[Lord_Sloth]

Why? It's a low number that takes part in the game in general.

[PorkMuffin]

I’m surprised fallout 76 is still a thing

[Mefdar]

The game doesn't run well enough to engage in pvp. Bethesda Studio games run notoriously bad. When they're willing to make improvements to that ancient engine or develop an entirely new one then people will be more willing to engage in pvp.

[CrimsonWing69]

Well, that’s what happens when you’re out of touch.

[Orionsangel]

Just stop, Bethesda. You're embarrassing yourselves. Fallout 76 is a disaster and there will never be a silver lining to it. You screwed up. Move on to the next project.

[Vithar]

fallout never had multiplayer..... why would you think people wanted it?

[PressPlayBros]

You're shooting and combat was NEVER fun, so much that the game required the implementation of V.A.T.S., which would never work in a multiplayer setting. It's probably the weakest part of every modern Fallout game. WHY is it surprising no one would want to take part in PVP? No one says "Fallout" and thinks "First Person Shooter". Focus on what your good at, know what your game is and what your strengths are and build on those and stop trying to be something you just simply are not.

[JasonMoore22]

Fallout should never be PVP if they wanted to do something different they should have done a normal game that could be Solo or CO-OP not PVP

[ChronoJoe]

Well the game controls like trash and is altogether poorly designed for PvP, so that might be a contributing factor here...

[xX1NORM1Xx]

Uhhh there would have been more but you decided to cripple the PvP system from the get go forcing us to get consent for murder...

[GamesAsAService]

I will write the thing I always write when it comes to any article about Bethesda and their woes.

Skyrim was one of the first games that immersed me completely. Never before had I played a game in which I was completely intrenched and engrossed in the world that BGS had created. I wandered the entire map, clearing location by location with stealth and archery. I looted, discovered secrets, made alliances, and wandered this world.

Never did I feel compelled to do anything. The mystique of the world combined with my OCD to clear every location (for the benefit of loot and fast travel for when I would inevitably start to quest) created a very enjoyable gameplay loop for me to pursue. The quality of the atmospheric story telling was unparalleled then and even today. I still have a hard time to find a game that enchanted me to that degree. There at BGS exists a core competency that allowed for this experience to feel amazing.

Now there were things that were obviously lacking. First person melee fighting mechanics felt clunky (which is why I primarily invested in stealth and archery), the game was graphically underwhelming, performed poorly.

This being the first BGS game I had played, I assumed that with whatever their next title was, they would improve the areas they had lacked in. I had subsequently played and thoroughly enjoyed dishonoured. A game with tighter first person melee controls that felt really good and responsive. The stealth and mobility added a level of creativity to the approaches you can take. It felt more alive. I thought that maybe elements from other games under the Bethesda umbrella that had better mechanics in certain aspects would find their way into mainline BGS games.

Part 2 incoming...

[GamesAsAService]

Fallout 4 was a refutation of that. Gun mechanics that felt antiquated and graphics that were equally underwhelming. Also at this time, BGS no longer held the monopoly on Best RPG or Best Open World Game. Games like the Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, Breath of the Wild, Farcry, all showed that Open World Games did not have to be the buggy, horrid feeling games that BGS had made us believe is what we would have to accept in this genre.

The gaming public got a glimpse at the possible and now required more. No longer were we willing to turn a blind eye to poor optimization, or games that looked like they were from a previous decade. No longer would mechanics that felt horrible be tolerated.

BGS needed to get with the times. People still cherish their games from a point of nostalgia, but we wanted to see BGS games step into the next generation. This required a foundational change is their approach, starting with the game engine. What they were doing will not be sufficient going forward.

However the hubris of previous successes blinded BGS to valid criticism and they felt they were on the correct path to begin with. This led to the horrible fallout 76, and to a lesser degree ESO. Both underwhelmed. BGS still stands stubborn and defiant.

This terrifies me and leave me with no confidence in their ability execute on Starfield, or the next Elder Scrolls. These games must impress as they represent what is next for BGS. If they disappoint I am afraid that BGS will join Bioware as a studio in decline and past its prime.

Please BGS, listen to your fans, prove the doubters (myself included) wrong. You still are the only company that makes a truly fascinating world that I really want to explore. The vibe of these worlds is your core competency. Get help for the rest. Your mechanics, graphics, and other tech all need a facelift. Get the help you need to make this a reality.

At the end of the day I would never write a 12 paragraph essay if I did not care about BGS. But I do, and so do many people in the gaming community at large. We still look ever hopeful to a game that is generation defining. You have done it before and we want you to do it again.

[jambola]

So they were surprsed that people wanted fallout? over 1 on one fights?
wonder this was a disaster