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Phil Harrison: Stadia starts an "inevitable and one-way shift" away from consoles

Google VP also addresses concerns about bandwidth caps and those cryptic game teases shown before the keynote.

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Eonjay1899d ago

We will see what happens with this. Right now if it became the only option out there most of us around the world wouldn't be gaming. Technology and internet infrastructure still need to advance to make it viable for everyone.
Let's see where this goes in 10 years.

uth111899d ago

people were having the exact same discussions 10 years ago around Onlive, and mony people's internet quality hasn't improved much since

SuperSonic911898d ago

So Shuhei Yoshida was there at the keynote.
Well that is very interesting indeed.

I wonder what is the deal with SIE games going to Stadia.

ShadowWolf7121897d ago

@Sonic

Yoshida attends Nintendo and Xbox events too. Has for years.

Where's them PS games on Xbox and Switch, yo?

tehpees31897d ago

@uth11

And On Live was early and didn't have a large scale company like Google backing it. Like I said yesterday believing it will fail is extremely short sighted because if a company as big as Google or Apple enter the market you know they intend to be there to see it through.

Having Google's hype behind it instantly gives it an advantage over On Live because people trust Google rather than just a random brand name that just popped up out of nowhere.

SuperSonic911897d ago

@ shadow

For the record let it be known by all that the rights to all Spider-man consumer products tied to the movie titles are owned by Sony.

Activision: "We are thrilled to accept this award from LIMA," states Plager.  "It underscores the tremendous worldwide appeal of the Spider-Man brand among the vast array of high-quality licensed products available in the marketplace.  This honor recognizes the hard work and dedication of everyone at Treyarch, Activision and our partners at Marvel and Sony."

The Spider-Man vide o game was developed by Activision through a license from Spider-Man Merchandising LP, a 50/50 limited partnership comprised of Marvel Enterprises, Inc. and Sony Pictures Consumer Products Inc.  Spider-Man Merchandising LP oversees the licensing and merchandising for the Columbia Pictures "Spider-Man™ 2" motion picture as well as Sony Pictures Television's new "Spider-Man" animated television series.  The "Spider-Man™ 2" motion picture and the new "Spider-Man" animated television series are both based on the Marvel character."

So yeah Sony had lots of their own stuff published on Nintendo and Xbox and PC.

You guys are just lazy to do your homework.

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Fluttershy771898d ago

We, the hardcore gamers won't support it, but what about the casuals? ... I see this, if its done right, as a great option for them
and @uth11 Do you hear what you are saying? Led Zeppelin's song 10 years gone... and it has improved! maybe not for you, but last 10 years the changes have been drastic

optimus1897d ago (Edited 1897d ago )

@fluttershy....i don't mind it at all...people were hesitant on converting from cd music to digital and now finding a record store is like coming across Stonehenge and marvel at the years that once was...the last time i bought a cd was over 5 years ago (only to rip it on a pc so i can listen to it as i had no cd player) same goes for dvd's. and here we are, people STILL enjoy their movies in their digital iterations, some people are even selling their physical counterparts, cleaning their dusty shelves, racks or boxes; people are just afraid of change but eventually they conform, accept, and learn to embrace it...as far as games go...

picture this possible scenario,(remove all the lagging problems people ASSUME it will have).... say the next assassins creed comes out next year for all consoles including stadia...except it's $60 for the physical and digital versions BUT on stadia it's $15 day 1...no need to wait for download or patches. and you can play it just about anywhere you go with no problems, do you really think people aren't going to flock to that option? that's what google is banking on.

Fluttershy771897d ago (Edited 1897d ago )

@optimus Well of course reality is what it is, but we are allowed to be against it. I don't like my music digital,in fact I buy the music I really like - you'll probably laugh - vinyl (better sound quality). I hate netflix (I can never find the movie I want to watch there, and the quality is sht) I buy my movies on Blu-ray
In this day and age, maybe you can't find a record store (I do support the local one and I think we all should), but I'm able to find even new albums releases on vinyl online, easily...
I really don't mind about what the masses chooses to do... Consumers as a whole are easily manipulated... Oh yeah it's so cheap, hey $15!!!... at first... then one day you'll find yourself paying for extra save files.
You'll find yourself waiting for the ads to end because they are interrupting your favorite Metal Gear Solid moment. You'll find that you don't own any of the games, and probably you want to replay an old game you liked, but it isn't there anymore, because it wasn't popular enough... Who cares? You got Assassins Creed!!!

optimus1897d ago (Edited 1897d ago )

@Fluttershy....that's basically my point. you can be against any form of new media but it's not going to matter much if it's convenient and makes money. buying your media in physical form is fine but you limit your consumption of it. where you and people like you were once considered the masses of the industry, are now a niche group. where you might find the unique sound of a needle scraping in the grooves between the tracks of a vinyl record endearing, others love the noiseless transition of tracks on a cd or mp3....

yes, consumers are easily manipulated which is why companies pay millions to put their ads on tv's...and consumers won't mind it if said product brings a level of convenience with it...cable companies are losing customers by the thousands on a monthly basis because of the convenience (and price) that comes with streaming...gaming is no different... i have a whole rack of games i USED to play last generation and some this generation. the more i look at it the more i realize it's just taking up space...selling or trading any of those games will profit me enough for a decent lunch for 2 people...not really worth the hundreds i spent on them originally....ownership is overrated at that point...plus, games will never die if their roms still exist somewhere on the web...the many roms sites today is proof of that.

however, if i had access to them in digital format and access to them anywhere at any time then i would likely play a few of them again should the nostalgia strike me without worry of getting something scratched or my disc drive suddenly not working...again, convenience is what will drive the industry forward and google and Microsoft are seeing this now....

having in game ads interrupt your game is just mere speculation on your part. we're talking about a subscription service here; no different than the music streaming services that are commercial free with a paid subscription.

Stevonidas1897d ago

With Phil Harrison running things, they're sure to fuck something up. How that guy keeps getting hired is beyond my understanding.

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XiNatsuDragnel1899d ago

I want this to fail tbh so can we have options in the future

SuperSonic911897d ago

How about PS Now on PC?
Its the same idea isn't it?

XiNatsuDragnel1897d ago

Still not successful and meant as an option not a permanent thing

mcstorm1897d ago

Tbh I think Google are going the wrong way about it.

I think Microsofts vision of having a choice of cloud and console is the direction people/companys will go.

The way its seems its going to be sold is xcloud will be for casual market but also an added extra to play your owned games on the go./away from your home console.

For me that's a better option. Adding services in there like game pass is also a bonus. We also don't know what 3rd party games will be on Google service. For it to work they will need COD, Fifa to name a few. I also think it needs to be cross play to because of the small user base it will have at the start.

For me I think this is the start of a new way to play games with just a device connected to the Web but I also think Sony Nintendo and Microsoft have the advantage because of the big name exclusives, having full consoles and then offering this as a service to.

Only time will tell if this will be a hit or not but for me I'm more interested in xcloud than this from what has been said but when all said and done we won't know what they are like until we get to play them for our self's.

2pacalypsenow1899d ago

The last thing we need is Google dominating another sector.

I hope this fails, leave gaming to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo.

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crazyCoconuts1898d ago

MS is better positioned than Google here. I'm assuming the power advantage on the cloud won't amount to that much when you factor in the REAL resolution you get with compressed and dynamic streams as well as the fact that new and more powerful consoles are on the way in a year or two.

Shikoku1898d ago (Edited 1898d ago )

They will be announced this year dude bank on it

Thundercat771897d ago

If MS power of the cloud is as powerful as the power of the cloud in Crackdown 3, then they are in trouble.

Dragonscale1897d ago

That depends on what ms plans are and its not looking good tbh. Dunno about Sony but can't see Nintendo going down that route tbh.

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Kurupt1898d ago

Honestly hope it fails...i like traditional consoles and my physical copies..so Google can f*** off with ur "I'm taking over and that's that"..

JackBNimble1897d ago

I really don't think traditional consoles are going anywhere anytime soon.
Until 5G infrastructure is mainstream without data caps then streaming can only remain limited for most people.

bluefox7551898d ago

Yeah, no thanks. I hate that I'm forced to use Google products as it is. I won't be buying their sh*tty game service.

SephirothX211897d ago

A lot of people speaking prematurely here. Just because you don't like the idea of something, doesn't mean its shitty. You haven't tried it yet. Streaming is the future. It's just a matter of when. Consoles for people with poor internet. Streaming for the rest. Network speeds and infrastructure will improve to the point where input speed differences are negligible. Consoles don't come out quickly enough to be able to take advantage of current technological breakthroughs. Streaming will allow much faster hardware upgrades. A game company will eventually not provide both options because it will not be viable due to the hardware differences between the console and the hardware in the data centres that is being upgraded a lot more frequently.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher22h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack22h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics5h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Fishy Fingers21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan7h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens526h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

outsider16243h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus2343m ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

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-Foxtrot20h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows903h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast2h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake3h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel19892h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon42m ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

romulus2335m ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

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helicoptergirl20h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan20h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

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Evercade Alpha Reveals Affordable Mini-Arcade

This looks fun and affordable for fans of Retro Cabinet games.
Introducing Evercade Alpha, the first Evercade-compatible arcade machine. This bartop-sized arcade gives you everything you want in a home arcade machine with one big feature - full compatibility with the Evercade cartridge ecosystem.

darthv721d 23h ago

I like the Mega Man one more as it has a better variety of games. Strider, Carrier Airwing, Final fight... The other is all SF. Plus i like that i can pop in any of my evercade carts to play as well.

Garethvk1d 22h ago

As long as it is durable; it's a deal.

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Sony Says The PS5 Is Its “Most Profitable Generation To-Date"

During Sony’s recent business segment meeting and investor presentation regarding its game and network services, the PlayStation company revealed that PlayStation 5 is the company’s “most profitable generation to-date.”

It’s the top slide of the presentation, showing that in its first four years, the PS5 generation has already hit $106 billion in sales, having almost caught up to the PS4’s total $107 billion generated.

Operating income for the PS5 generation has also already surpassed that of the PS4, having now reached $10 billion.

ApocalypseShadow2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I wouldn't doubt it. They released a high quality system. A lot of high quality games from themselves and their support of 3rd party developers and indies. They released many high quality remakes and remasters. They released a high quality GaaS game going against the naysayers thinking Sony would abandon single player games. And they most likely are profiting a lot more than PS1, PS2 PS4 and the loss leading PS3 that drained all their profits.

Now, I'll wait to see what's cooking tomorrow. But can you use some of those profits to better support your high quality VR headset? Because, by supporting it, you can sell more games and more systems and make more profits?

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I want RPGs for PSVR2! Good ones of course

shinoff21832d ago

If it had some rpgs I would buy right fking now. It looks dope and alot of fun, but it's biggest game resident evil 4(maybe) I've got no interest in. I'm not a fan of racing games, even with that metro game coming i was never much into that series. Rpgs would be fantastic.

MrNinosan2d ago

Lemme know if ya wanna play some Zenith 🙌
Bought it at release, but haven't played it more than 1-2 hours but for sure on my "todo list".

Cacabunga2d ago

Normal when they released mostly cross gen games so far. That’s a lot of money saved..
We haven’t seen what PS5 can do yet. 4years in and PS4 games still look great to me. The gen leap isn’t quite there yet.

--Onilink--2d ago

The interesting metric for me is the $106billion in operating income/profit (not sales as mentioned in the article) reaching the same as the PS4 did with only half the consoles sold.

In particular because they all are supposed to be making the most per hardware sold after a few years when manufacturing costs are down.

So even putting inflation aside(and the higher console price), it is interesting that they could reach PS4 $ with just half the consoles sold.

Maybe there is more to the metric thats whats seen at face value, but they have clearly been making a lot more money than before on the software side (with also less games released I suppose, given its only been half the generation so far)

VersusDMC2d ago

The bulk of the money has to be coming from the 30% cut on all games and microtransactions. Especially on all the free to play juggernauts like genshin, apex, fortnight, etc.

--Onilink--2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@Versus

They are definitely making a lot on that for sure (which the $70 price increase factors into as well), but its not like many of those games werent around for the PS4 too.

They might be counting the gen as a whole and not just PS5 itself (so extra profit from PC sales, whatever that may be)

PS+ price increase and different tiers probably amount to part of that too.

But in general, its still quite a surprising metric. Half the time, half the consoles sold, less first party games released so far and still already making more of a profit than last gen is quite something, and as mentioned, there is probably more to it that we dont know, after all, since we are talking about operating income, all the expenses they have also factor into it, so it is also possible that they have found ways to significantly reduce that + all the means of increased revenue that appear to be factoring into the equation

All in all, just an interesting situation from a business perspective

porkChop2d ago

It's for the whole generation, so it would likely be including PC. They also make much more profit on digital sales vs retail, and digital is far more prominent these days. The generation also started at the height of COVID when everyone was home, spending far more money on gaming/hobbies. It makes a lot of sense for this gen to be more profitable.

Abnor_Mal2d ago

This will surely shut up all the new trolling accounts trying to spread lies and non facts in other articles comment sections before this article is posted.

Hofstaderman2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Obscurely, those trolls or troll will not show in these articles as the truth is contradictory to his or their orchard-sized daily dose of copium and hopium.

Tacoboto2d ago

Or... They're intentionally trolling you guys specifically. Because they know it upsets you so easily.

Name-dropping Orchard, after this many months? How long has it been and he's still in your thoughts?

Elda2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I'm quite sure the individual is reading these positive comments downvoting & seething at the same time. Edit: It just downvoted my comment...lol!!

Hofstaderman2d ago

No I'm entertained by this individual. I love unhinged people, they are so interesting lol.

repsahj2d ago

Wow! I am super impressed that in just 4 years, ps5 already caught up to the PS4's. Congratulations.

JackBNimble1d 16h ago

That happens when half of your games are cross platform. I'm still waiting to see what the ps5 is capable of, because they sure haven't pushed any limits.

And where are all these ps5 exclusive games?

sagapo2d ago

Not really surprised as Sony barely has any competition at the moment.

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