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Nier Automata: Why Nier sequel won't be coming to Microsoft's console

Nier Automata developer explains why a lack of Xbox One port is actually better for the game.

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Nitrowolf22660d ago

And people say japan doesn't matter

Why o why2659d ago

Last gen there was some growing notion being pushed that Asia were becoming less relevant in the grand scheme of gaming........ Sometimes, some of us westerners cant see past our own noses.

Message... People see where they're appreciated and tend to gravitate towards and stay around those places and people. Downplay all you want... Asia every bit as important as the west in regards to the gaming universe. You could even argue more so.

Overload2659d ago

It sums up the whole situation there so well in roughly 5 seconds.

bouzebbal2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

There is the Japanese market and there is something I think more than that: scalebound.

Godmars2902659d ago

@Why o why:

Sometimes...?

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Kurisu2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

I'm really tempted to get this game before Horizon: Zero Dawn. I really enjoyed the demo and I've been wanting to play it ever since. It's different to anything I've ever played before.

I'm hoping that Microsoft have plenty of game announcements set for E3 because right now my Xbox One gets barely any use.

ninsigma2659d ago

The demo blew me away. Literally did not care about this game until the demo but I'll definitely be picking it up. Not over horizon but I'll definitely get it!

medman2659d ago

+Kurisu
Two is better than one.

freshslicepizza2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

lets just say japan is no longer the powerhouse they used to be, why do you think sony moved its headquaters to north america?

https://arstechnica.com/gam...

summary, niche japan games will always do better in japan than overseas. can anyone provide sales outside of japan for the first game? thought not.

DashArrivals2659d ago

Why do I always see you doing pathetic damage control? Everyone knows your deal. But, keep up the good fight. I have no idea what drives you, but I'm sure it's something really silly.

Nitrowolf22659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

What do the sales of the first game have anything to do with it being exclusive? From the sound of it you make it seem like the game didn't sell at all which may be the case but doesn't that mean that they shouldn't have warranted a sequel to begin with?

Your comment even makes it sound like it shouldn't even be leaving Japan and that it is just a japan-exclusive like so many other games there.

freshslicepizza2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@Nitrowolf
"What do the sales of the first game have anything to do with it being exclusive?"

umm, because the xbox does terrible in japan? think

"From the sound of it you make it seem like the game didn't sell at all which may be the case but doesn't that mean that they shouldn't have warranted a sequel to begin with?"

no, i am asking how well the game sold outside of japan.

"Your comment even makes it sound like it shouldn't even be leaving Japan and that it is just a japan-exclusive like so many other games there."

lots of games leave japan, lots dont sell that well outside of japan. that doesn't mean they are bad games. i was simply showing the relevance to the game outside of japan and replying to someone who sarcastically said japan doesn't matter. of course japan matters but they are no longer the powerhouse territory they used to be. even sony acknowledges that, which is why they move the playstation headquasters to the usa.

ShadowKnight2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@Moldybread
So should gaming consoles always do better in there own country? Why is the PS4 outselling Xbox-one in America? Didn't they both launch at the same time?

freshslicepizza2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@ShadowKnight
"So should gaming consoles always do better in there own country? Why is the PS4 outselling Xbox-one in America? Didn't they both launch at the same time?"

what does that have to do with anything i said? sony knows how much more important the usa market is, which is why they shifted their focus to a more prosperous market. and how come nobody can provide any data for how well the first game sold outside of japan? which explains why the game is more suited to the ps4 since the xbox is mostly nonexistent there.

Trez12342659d ago

Power house in terms of sales or quality? Because they're producing top quality games. Japan isn't going anywhere and their biggest franchises are selling well worldwide. Japanese games don't sell well on xbox and there's no need to start downplaying their importance because of that fact.

It's not coincidence that when xbox 360 was ahead in the US all we heard was the Japanese industry. I guess mainland Europeans and Asians should say xbox is not a powerhouse since it sells poorly to say the least in those regions?

freshslicepizza2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@Trez1234
"Power house in terms of sales or quality? Because they're producing top quality games. Japan isn't going anywhere and their biggest franchises are selling well worldwide."

and again, how well did this game sell outside of japan?

"Japanese games don't sell well on xbox and there's no need to start downplaying their importance because of that fact."

did i say they were bad? i enjoy quite a few, in fact valkyria chronicles was one of my favorite ps3 games.

"It's not coincidence that when xbox 360 was ahead in the US all we heard was the Japanese industry. I guess mainland Europeans and Asians should say xbox is not a powerhouse since it sells poorly to say the least in those regions?"

what coincidence? the xbox has never been popular in japan and this going to the ps4 only makes perfect sense but again a lot of that has to do with how well the game sold in japan, not outside of japan. plus when the xbox 360 came out japan it was at a time when more japanese gamers were into console gaming than today. which is why i keep saying how japan's relevance is less than it used to be as far as sales go.

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Chevalier2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

They do well in Europe as well. There are over 740 million people in Europe, so yeah. There are other countries outside the U.S. Maybe take a look at the map and learn about people outside the U.S. This is why people outside the U.S. consider them so ignorant.

Straight up damage control. It's sad that literally every time there is this discussion Moldy jumps in with the same idiotic comment.

Also on the point on sales, franchises build up over time. Uncharted 1 sold 20,000 week 1 whereas Uncharted 4 sold 2.6+ million week 1. If you think that sales will always be 'niche', then look no further than almost every single Xbox exclusive this gen.

Chevalier2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

" can you provide total software sales for the first game OUTSIDE of japan?"

Can you? You assume niche sales and have nothing to back your argument either. Waiting for your proof. Considering you should back up your argument. Or you going to just take it at face value? Oh right maybe you can get us metrics on engagement, button presses etc?!

XanderZane2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

The original NieR sold better in US and Europe, then it did in Japan. Yosuke Saito doesn't know what he's talking about. On the XBox 360 only it sold 3x's more in the US along, then in Japan.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

In all total it barely sold 1 million copies worldwide. Definitely a niche game.

@TomatoDragon
Yet again a Japanese game that sells a lot better outside of Japan. Ni No Kuni is an awesome game. Thankfully Level 5 & Namco/Bandai is bringing the sequel to US & Europe as well. Hopefully it'll make it on the PC/XB1 too. Everyone deserves to play this game.

FITgamer2659d ago

@DashArrivals Moldy doesn't own an Xbox One so he spends all of time on here damage controlling for it.

freshslicepizza2659d ago

@XanderZane
"The original NieR sold better in US and Europe, then it did in Japan. Yosuke Saito doesn't know what he's talking about. On the XBox 360 only it sold 3x's more in the US along, then in Japan."

on the ps3 it sold more in japan and with xbox one sales at half of the ps4 its no wonder they wont release it on the xbox one. not with a niche title that sold less than 1 million worldwide.

Elda2659d ago

You can't take Playstation & it's fabulous exclusive games...lol...smh.

uptownsoul2659d ago

"lets just say japan is no longer the powerhouse they used to be" -- Maybe not...But Japan is still the 3rd (or 4th if you include China) largest gaming region in the world. So...

Realms2659d ago

Moldybread or better yet should we call you Rookiemonster because you have taken his place good job in becoming the most annoying N4G user.

gangsta_red2659d ago

On a bright note though, the prospect of this game is still on the table for it to come to Xbox One.

https://gamerant.com/nier-a...

According to the article it depends on the sales for this game. So lets hopefully see this game does well in sales or maybe we'll get the "niche" excuse, who knows.

bouzebbal2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

Aren't you the one who was hyping up scalebound?
Shut up and try to stop contradicting yourself.
The real question you morons should ask yourselves is: was it a good game?
And yes NieR 1 was great. One more great game you will miss out.. You know, Ps4 owners have a big problem with which game to choose. How about you ? LOL I thought so

trooper_2659d ago

Just stop moldy. It's getting sad now.

rainslacker2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

Maybe it was cheaper or something? Tax breaks. Cool looking building.

Who knows? Who cares? Sony is a global company with headquarters all over the world.

But, the likely scenario is that they opened it in a rather big hub of gaming for worldwide publishing. Almost every game somehow goes through that general region of California in some way. From engine development, distribution, conferences, training semenars, etc.

But sure, you can believe it's because Japan is somehow irrelevant. Obviously, all those Japanese gamers, and those who enjoy Japanese games(or asian games in general) are not worth bothering with. I'm sure more power will get those buyers.

Maybe instead of asking others how well games sold, you should provide the data to back up your point. It's weak to assert an argument and not know the facts behind your own argument, and hope others somehow make the argument for you, knowing full well most people won't bother, so with people like you it somehow just validates your point in your own head, when you have presented nothing but hyperbole.

So I ask you, since it's your argument, how well did those games sell outside Japan? Tell us what you want us to know.

Aenea2659d ago

Ahh, ok, basically Xbox users don't care then? Then this is a waste of an article.............

Major_Glitch2659d ago

@salty Go buy games. Xbox NEEDS sales.

Aceman182659d ago

Oh moldy there you go again with the failed damage control of why a game isnt coming to your console of choice. Not only do you keep failing everytime, but the people who keep agreeing with fail hard also.

I'll be buying Neir once i finish Horizon.

SpinalRemains1382658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

The first game was amazing. It definitely was considered a major let down in sales though.

You cannot downplay the importance of Japanese development in terms of western markets though. It is after all why we are having this conversation.

You continue to downplay the role Japanese games have, all the while you miss out on every single one and you spend time here because you literally have nothing to play on Xbox.

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pinkcrocodile752659d ago

I doesn't matter!. The UK is a bigger gaming money maker than Japan by quite a margin. Pretty good going.

TFJWM2659d ago

Umm what?

https://newzoo.com/insights...

3 Japan $12,432,287,000
6 United Kingdom $3,941,529,000

XanderZane2659d ago

The Japan market is much smaller then US and Europe. So Yosuke Saito comments makes no sense. The game will sell more in the US/Europe. He says they didn't want to split time on platforms, but they are doing just that by bringing it to the PC as well. If they are making it on the PC it should be easy to port to the XB1. No doubt the game will sell well in Japan, as that's their home market, but it will sell just as well if not better in Europe and USA because those markets are a lot bigger. Japan matters to Japan developers. It doesn't matter as much to European or American developers.

Trez12342659d ago

That's true. The problem isnt just Japanese games but some devs feel they have more of a chance starting on the playstation platform and see if the demand is there and then release it on the xbox. I'm sure we would see an xbox release if the game is successful and there's a demand from xbox gamers.

We've seen that with few games already this gen.

_-EDMIX-_2659d ago

"The Japan market is much smaller then US and Europe. So Yosuke Saito comments makes no sense"

Except that comment is made based on a very JAPANESE game. The market might be "smaller" but the US and UK market clearly are not moving huge units of games like Nier buddy. Japan is.

Its PS4 and PC exclusive because the platform moves UNITS IN THE EAST, XONE doesn't.

They know they will get low sales in the west, soooooo why put it on a system that sells crap world wide?

I don't know about this game selling more in the US or Europe bud, I don't know those type of JRPGs to move huge units other then the top IPs like Final Fantasy, Pokemon etc

Nivekki2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@_-EDMIX-_

Nier sold more in the west than it did in Japan. Another day another clueless comment from you.

Mega Lolllzzz aye bud?

Cretin.....

moegooner882659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

I am sure the 700k who bought GTAV on launch on PS3 in Japan would like to disagree about their irrelevance to Western developers. Japanese multiplats almost always sell better on PS4 due to the higher Japanese install base. Nothing to debate about. If SE was pleased with such Xb1 sales for their Japanese developed games, they would have requested Xb1 versions for KH Remaster and Nier A, but they didn't. You seem to know better than SE thu lol

XanderZane2658d ago

@_-EDMIX-_
The US/Europe markets ARE moving more units then the Japanese market. That's my point buddy. Something you completely overlooked, by not viewing the links. They moved more units by a lot last gen, why would they not do the same this gen? I'm talking about the WEST market. Even without the XB1 sales, the game will still sell more units in the WEST. With XB1 sales in the WEST it will sell even more. Why don't you check the Japanese games sales for the WEST Ni No Kuni last gen sold more in the West. You say they know it won't sell. How? They haven't even tried this gen.

Look at sales of Tales of Vesperia on the XBox 360 in the West compared to Japan. Don't be a blind fanboys. I'm waiting to hear the damage control on this. Westerns are playing games from Japan developers.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
Look at Infinite Undiscovery
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...
Eternal Sonata
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

I think my point has been made. Proof has been shown.

moegooner882656d ago

Did you even check your link ? lol Eternal Sonata sold 0.23 million copies on Xbox 360 in the west. Factor the development costs, and then come back and say if it was worth it.

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FinalFantasyFanatic2659d ago

That and people who say those who like Japanese games and hardware are in the minority, defiantly not this gen. Then again, the Xboxs never do well in Japan for some reason.

Kribwalker2658d ago

It is in the minority when these games are selling less then a million, on a system that has 53 million plus users available. Less then 2% of owners are buying these exclusives

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Nyxus2660d ago

"The main reason for this is that the Japanese market for Xbox One is not strong."

Understatement of the year.

OMGitzThatGuy2659d ago

They still think they are only selling to Japanese customers only heh

Nyxus2659d ago

Well I don't think the audience for these kinds of games is really on Xbox One, regardless of country.

DarkZane2659d ago

They realized people on Xbox One don't buy these games, regardless of where they live.

They're only releasing FF15 and KH3 because they said they would before the Xbox One came out and ended up being a flop, so they're releasing those 2 japanese games because they have no choice and to save face.

Don't expect anything Japanese from SE on Xbox One. Also, FF7R is console exclusive to Sony because they published the original.

freshslicepizza2659d ago

can you provide total software sales for the first game OUTSIDE of japan?

pinkcrocodile752659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@DarkZane - Thank Zanzibar for that!! Absolutely right as well, Japanese games have no place on Xbox.

The last thing I want do is to play Japanese games on ANY platform.

I own both PS4 and Xbox One and my issue is not racial, it's more to do with I'll do anything to ensure the death of Japanese Gaming Developers grip on the gaming industry.

Day by day year by year, their grip loosens.

Nivekki2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@zeuanimals

That's not racism, that's bigotry. There is a difference.

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freshslicepizza2659d ago

can anyone provide total (all platforms) software sales for the first game OUTSIDE of japan?

Nyxus2659d ago

What does that have to do with his statement?

DigitalRaptor2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@ Nyxus

Nothing but his insecurity about what Sony fans say about the Xbox.

trooper_2659d ago

Why don't you look them up yourself?

Oh...wait, it has nothing to do with the article!

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XanderZane2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

@Nyxus
True, buy XBox One is strong outside of Japan and the fact the first Nier on the XBox 360 sold better in the US/Europe then it did in Japan should make the sequel a given for those markets. Sure don't release the sequel for the XB1 in Japan, but it should definitely be released outside of Japan.

@Overload
Your gif posts are dumb. This is why I call you a troll.

@moldybread
I already provided the sales.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

Nyxus2659d ago

But Xbox 360 was a different situation. That console was a lot more successful in general. They must have their reasons to not bring NieR to XB1.

_-EDMIX-_2659d ago

LMFAO!!!!!

Because you know they made their money back from the port? They likely didn't make ENOUGH to justify putting it on a platform that is selling that badly. Sorry but those numbers are low, like really low.

XanderZane2658d ago

@_-EDMIX-_
Yeah.. the numbers are low. The problem is they were even a LOT lower in the Japan market. That's my point. The numbers are higher for the West market. You really think the same thing isn't going to happen again? You're clueless. I agree the game doesn't need to come out for the XB1 in Japan, but everywhere else, it should. I think Yosuke Saito point is, "If I can't sell it for a profit in my home country on an XB1, I don't want to sell it to other markets. I guess it would be like GTA selling better in Japan then in US/Europe on the XBox.

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Rangerman12082660d ago

Well look at the bright side, Xbox fans. Atleast Ace Combat 7 will be coming to XBO and PC.

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nowitzki20042658d ago

With all the money they save on games they could get a flight stick for Ace Combat as well.

ShadowKnight2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

This game got a 10/10 already from one gaming site

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SaveFerris2659d ago

Saves on porting costs. In any case, Platinum will be hoping Nier: Automata proves to be a hit, especially because of Scalebound.

Kurisu2659d ago (Edited 2659d ago )

I was looking forward to Scalebound, it was a real shame it got cancelled. I'll definitely be supporting Platinum with a day one buy of Nier: Automata, I think their employees need something to celebrate!

DarXyde2659d ago

In what way? I don't think Platinum absorbed any financial losses from Scalebound. If anything, Microsoft likely foot the bill on that project.

XXanderXX2659d ago

Wasn't what happened to scale bound thier failure and why it was delayed so often.

Trez12342659d ago

We can't really say it was their fault or Microsoft's but very early in the development, both parties weren't seing eye to eye. It wasn't a big suprise when they announced the cancellation.

tyasia02658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Microsoft track record for canceling games speaks for itself.

Platinum on the other hand has worked with tons of publishers and never had a problem.

So I think it's safe to say it was Microsoft's fault.

Chaos_Order2659d ago

Porting costs? But according to people online, all a developer has to do is just flick a magic switch and their game will instantly be ported to another system, and a pile of money will fall into their lap, because every single developer will benefit by putting their game on as many systems as possible in every circumstance, no matter what, and those that don't are either evil or will die a painful death. Are you telling me that's not the case!?!? No way... It can't be true...

Chevalier2659d ago

I honestly thought it would take one person pushing a button and doing all the side work like QC as well. Who knew! s/

rainslacker2659d ago

It could be that way if the developer didn't care about performance, or if the game worked at all.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff218321h ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan6h ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin4h ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_3h ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan39m ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

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-Foxtrot21h ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink13h ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

Grilla6h ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl5235h ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin4h ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-643h ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga1h ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

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excaliburps7h ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla6h ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek13m ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

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P_Bomb6h ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing696h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip3h ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

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Greetings from the newly minted CEO - Shams Jorjani

Operating under the username BigKahuna_AGS, Jorjani created a lengthy thread on the Helldivers subreddit to introduce himself to the community following his appointment as CEO in early May.

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Frostpunk 2 Dev Talks Creative Risks, Supply and Demand, and More

Game Rant speaks with Frostpunk 2 co-game director and design director Jakub Stokalski about everything 11 bit poured into the sequel.

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