Bethesda: PS4 Mod Update

Bethesda writes: "After months of discussion with Sony, we regret to say that while we have long been ready to offer mod support on PlayStation 4, Sony has informed us they will not approve user mods the way they should work: where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition."

[Herbalistic]

This really sucks for gamers at the end of day

[Bansai]

What possible reason could Sony have to deny gamers free mods? Wtf... #4theplayers my ass.

[TwoForce]

Well, that's suck really. I think Bethesada have been with Microsoft for so long. Not trying to say is bad thing. But if you look back, Bethesada is never friendly with Sony really. Bethesada has favor MS ever since XBOX 360.

[Bansai]

Yea but it's not Bethesda that shut down the project, it's Sony, they don't want to allow free mods on their platform, I'm really puzzled as to why, I've been waiting for that to happen, maybe someone could finally add some better weapons to my F4 experience. :/

What a bummer, seriously.

[-Foxtrot]

I know I'm raging at this

Sony were open as a book last gen, now they are crawling back in their shell...what the f***

Now I'm not getting it and I wish I never bought Fallout 4

Pricks

[Ashlen]

I don't believe Bethesda really ever had any intention of adding mods on PS4.

[Nitrowolf2]

Wow this ticks me off, I was really hoping to play mods on f4.

Sony you fd up

[Mulando]

Like it was in the past, the company that have an advantage in the console market, does not innovate anything, if it costs any money (free download/update servers/space and a potential security-risk). If there is any mod that could crash the system, they might find a way to crack the system. I could think that this is sonys motivation behind this.
But still... that is the problem with a closed system like a console.

[Gazondaily]

Yelp!

Not good Sony. Sort it out!

[freshslicepizza]

No mods, no EA access, no external drives, no cross play with other consoles. Looks like Sony is trying to wall itself off more and more because the PS4 is selling so well so they don't care.

[DragonKnight]

If any of you have been following this then you'll probably be on the fence about who to believe on this.

Bethesda have not been kind to Sony or Playstation fans. We all remember how broken Oblivion is, how broken Skyrim is, how long it took to get the DLC, and how MS got first dibs on mod support.

That said, there are reasons to take Pete Hines at his word this time, even though normally he's an arrogant mouthpiece.

While both the Xbox and Playstation consoles use proprietary sound formats to curb piracy, it is rumoured that the difference between the two comes into play with file size caps and memory usage.

MS has allowed a mod cap of 2GB whereas Sony only 900mb. MS has allowed more memory access while Sony has restricted it. It seems Sony is unwilling to budge on this.

Sony are to blame, as is Bethesda for giving special treatment and doubtlessly just springing mods on Sony on a whim think "we're Bethesda, give us what we want."

But there's 2 more people/groups to blame. They are Geohot and those like him who took advantage of Sony's good graces with PS3 features by making ways to compromise security, and the fanbots who consistently railed Sony on security even after the PSN hack, spreading FUD that identity theft was happening and that Sony was to blame. Sony listened to the market, and more importantly shareholders, and tightened up their security sphincters as a result. They now have 360 era Microsoft's attitudes towards cross play and security and you can't really blame them.

However, this is a kick in the teeth, and in my own personal opinion, if Sony does not address this, they lose the privilege of claiming they are for the players and have the best place to play. Because, at least as far as mods go, they don't.

[darthv72]

I really do think Sony and MS have switched roles this gen. Some things Sony didnt do last gen that MS did... they are doing now. And same with MS in doing things this gen they didnt last.

[Harkins1721]

Besthesda wanted to do mods differently than Sony. Its on Neogaf.

[freshslicepizza]

@DragonKnight,

Good read and if I remember correctly Microsoft also had caps for indie game sizes and patches being limited which hurt the game Fez. Ironic how things have now flipped

[SaffronCurse]

Bethesda and Sony seemed to always have issues with one another.

Not surprised.

[DragonKnight]

@moldybread: Yep. Last gen MS got flack for those caps big time. This gen it's Sony doing it.

@Harkins: Link?

[vickers500]

Anybody else notice Sony becoming a holes the moment Jack Tretton stepped down and Shawn Layden stepped in?

I had a bad feeling about it then. Looks like I was right. Tretton was a gamer, and an all around awesome guy who listened to the consumers. Layden is a suit whose only interest is his own paycheck.

[NewMonday]

so you don't brick your console, mods are not compatible straight forward

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Christopher]

*** they don't want to allow free mods on their platform***

This really does suck, but I don't see where this is mentioned at all. Sony worked with Bethesda and said no finally to whatever it was they were trying to do. We don't know why, and I'd LOVE to hear a response from Sony on this. But, it doesn't mean they didn't want mods on their platform, it could just mean that what they wanted something Bethesda couldn't deliver, meaning they could have asked for more than what was possible at this time. I'm certain part of the problem was due to some limitations on Sony's end, but I don't think they were due to power or technical elements as it relates to software.

[Bansai]

"Sony worked with Bethesda and said no finally to whatever it was they were trying to do."

There's been posts on reddit and gaf that actually shed some light on this:

"The beta was cancelled/mods delayed because Bethesda was at a roadblock with Sony refusing to help. The way the post makes it sound is that Sony was ultimately not willing to play ball on this, therefore severely restricting mods and Bethesda didn't want to release mods like that. Would partial support be better than no support? I'd say probably, but that last bit is speculation on my part.

At any rate it's been no secret in the mod author community for months that Sony has been yanking them around about this. Sony assured them it was possible before they announced it, they announced it, then Sony wouldn't make it work. It's very unfortunate for everybody involved but no one more so than PS4 players who are being robbed of something great."

[madmonkey01]

can only assume its some form of security

[morganfell]

It actually isn't Sony. Sony stated that every mod had to be vetted by Bethesda and they (Bethesda) have refused to provide the personnel necessary to do this. The insiders are well aware it is Bethesda:

https://abload.de/img/untit...

There isn't one single logical reason why Sony would wish to disallow a feature - mods - that would then make their product - Fallout 4 on PS4 - less attractive. Being thoughtless and saying Sony doesn't know what they are doing isn't a comeback or a counterpoint. People need to stop and employ common sense.

[DragonKnight]

@morganfell: Yeah, a random image with no names is proof. i hope you're not a lawyer.

[gangsta_red]

@Morganfell

A screenshot of some text messages...well.. I'm convinced.

[morganfell]

You two should do your homework. You look ridiculous. This image was posted at Neogaf. I don't like that site nor the people that run it but they do have contacts all over the industry. Anyone posting an image such as this and claiming it real is subject to be banned. Bishop - if you know Gaf then you know who he is - reached out to his industry people and verified it is absolutely real from someone working on the inside. If nothing else Gaf doesn't play games when it comes to such posts.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

It doesn't let you blame Sony which is what you really want but instead shows who is actually at fault. Sony is determined not to have the mess that has happened with the Xbox.

EDIT: What is really laughable is Bethesda put out a remark and no one even bothered to question it. They just took it and ran with it. Bethesda, the company that for whom Todd Howard works and possesses one of the most indictable histories of dishonesty with their games. Look at the Xbox. No one is calling Bethesda and saying, "Hey this mod is crashing my Xbox. No, they call and blame MS which is entirely wrong.

[DragonKnight]

@morganfell; You post a random image, with a url that means nothing, filled with text messages with no identifiers in it, and we're the ones that look ridiculous?

Tell you what, I have an igloo on the sun you can buy. It totally has not melted from the extreme solar temperatures, and if you need proof I can show you a totally legit picture.

Consider that all mods to be put on consoles must be uploaded to Bethesda.net. Meaning Bethesda already has quality control set in place. Mod creators HATE Bethesda.net and use Nexus instead. The idea that mods aren't on PS4 because Bethesda won't QA test them is factually erroneous because, again, Bethesda forces all console mods to be uploaded to their network, and not through any other network. This is why you won't see nude mods on consoles for example.

A bit of basic common sense goes a long way, but you'll believe anything that protects Sony no matter what it is.

[gangsta_red]

OH!! An image of a text message from Neogaf!

Well that changes everything...I am double convinced!

Is there anything you can tell me to triple convince me? Maybe a screen shot of a message that says "This is sony and it's not our fault".

[morganfell]

Doubling down on your errors only makes the both of you twice as wrong. Instead of stopping to investigate you opt to redouble your efforts to headbut that brick wall. Good luck. Seeing how little you know about the way Gaf functions as regards such mattes disarms you in any such discussion and leaves you squarely in the camp of the uninformed. Most core gamers understand quite well how matters operate at Neogaf and when they certify such an image it is because their solid contacts have found it's veracity beyond reproach. Good luck in your blind, uninformed hate. It will not in the end, serve you well.

[DragonKnight]

@morganfell; "Doubling down on your errors only makes the both of you twice as wrong."

If anyone is doubling down here, it's you, and you're the one looking the fool for doing so.

"Instead of stopping to investigate you opt to redouble your efforts to headbut that brick wall. Good luck."

Your idea of investigation is taking NeoGaf at their word and believing a factless image. Because NeoGaf says something is legit, it is? What kind of evidence is that? Oh, because people who lie will be banned? Right, this coming from a cesspool SJW site that banned Boogie2988 for not marching in anti GamerGate lockstep. Yeah, NeoGaf is SOOO credible. It's not like the industry hates that site... oh wait.

"Seeing how little you know about the way Gaf functions as regards such mattes disarms you in any such discussion and leaves you squarely in the camp of the uninformed."

I also have a car that runs on positive thoughts alone. As long as you think happy thoughts, the car will move. I have a video of that too. It's totally legit because you can't lie on the internet without being banned from the internet.

"Most core gamers understand quite well how matters operate at Neogaf and when they certify such an image it is because their solid contacts have found it's veracity beyond reproach."

Close your thesaurus.com tab for a second and actually use your brain. First of all, you don't speak for anyone but yourself, so don't go dragging anyone else in here looking for support. Secondly, anyone that takes anyone else's word at face value deserves the snake oil they buy. Just because NeoGaf swears to you something is real, doesn't mean that a lie has not just been spoken. My "solid contacts" tell me that it's actually Nintendo's fault. How are you going to prove I don't have said contacts?

"Good luck in your blind, uninformed hate. It will not in the end, serve you well."

Your verbosity actually makes you look pathetic.

[frostypants]

@Bansai: "Yea but it's not Bethesda that shut down the project, it's Sony"

That's based only on the statement made by Bethesda. We don't know what really happened. There are two sides to every story.

Sounds to me like Sony wanted SOME control over the mods coming through. I don't completely blame them. There is some history of consoles being hacked via fake game updates (either the Xbox or the 360, don't remember which, could be hacked to run Linux and install pretty much anything this way). So it could be a security precaution. It could also just be Sony trying to prevent people from putting up creepy pervy mods before Sony could review them.

They didn't say Sony refused to allow mods. They said Sony wouldn't allow people to load any sort of mod they wanted. To me it comes off as Bethesda not getting things 100% the way they wanted it, and went home pouting. They've always been a little jerkish towards Sony.

On a related note don't be surprised if some sort of controversy arises on the MS side of things if they are truly giving these mods the same level of openness that Bethesda apparently demanded of Sony. MS may regret this.

[TheCommentator]

What possible reason could Sony have to not include a 4K player in the Pro? Or enable cross-console play, which devs have also been asking for? Now it looks like HDR will only work with Sony tv's via the HLG format too (Look it up!). Sony's 4 the players alright... only Sony fans are the ones getting played and it's Sony who are the players.

This is 4 the Control

[sAVAge_bEaST]

That is some straight BS.. Sony is doing it wrong, in this instance. We Need Mod Support!

[kneon]

What Morgenfell is saying sounds very likely to me. Bethesda have always had the worst QA in the industry, so it's not surprising they don't want to do more of it, that seems to be how they normally operate.

[nveenio]

The reason is because they don't want to allow unvetted code on the PS4. They want to be sure that software (mods) don't cause harm to users' devices. But Bethesda wants mods to just release without any oversight. In other words, they want to allow mods without doing any extra work, and Sony is saying, "No, you're going to have to make sure these mods don't cause harm."

It makes sense to me on the surface, as a lot of people would use mods without realizing that they can break games by doing it. My son will be especially saddened, as he was looking forward to mods.

[nX]

Developing mods would technically make you able to find security holes that give you the ability to do all sorts of things with the console. Bethesda probably couldn't guarantee Sony that this won't happen so they had to cancel it. Certainly disappointing, but not quite surprising.

[Bansai]

@nX

Papyrus is the scripting language fallout 4 uses and it is literally only used in bethesda games and cannot interact with anything else unless people modify other libraries (impossible on console).

As for the new "proof" - lmao, it's laughable Sony thinks bethesda would have the resources to QA all community made mods, noone does that, Sony wanted a reason to shut this down, so they made an impossible request, typical.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Absolutely if the issue is on Sony I would seriously like them to address it as I was actually looking forward to purchasing Skyrim on PlayStation 4 maybe not this year but at least sometime next year.

[Nitrowolf2]

I'd like to know why exactly to. This is utter bs

[Goldby]

I read something about the fear itll open backdoor access.

[joeorc]

It's what it always boils down too..the Graphics API and middle ware tools and game engine they use for Bethesda games are made with DirectX and Windows OS in mind...

That has not changed since the PS3..you think Bethesda would go out of their way to make their game engine really to take advantage of the PlayStation Hardware over the Windows Platforms that they made the priority platform over the years..?
For the past decades?

And people expected this to be any different this time with Bethesda?

Shakes head..I saw this coming a mile away. Good thing Bethesda did not promise PS4 mods for Fallout on public stage or anything....Oh'wait a min

Why Fallout 4's PC Mods Are Coming to Xbox One Before PS4
Bethesda's Pete Hines explains why the company partnered with Microsoft for the exciting new feature.

Last updated by Eddie Makuch on June 16, 2015

This week at E3, Bethesda officially announced a potentially exciting new feature where Fallout 4's PC mods will be playable on console, starting with Xbox One before coming to PlayStation 4 later. Some fans might be wondering why Bethesda aligned with Microsoft instead of Sony, and now Bethesda explained.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

[LexHazard79]

@Goldby, I heard the same reason for not allowing external drive support.

But Im wondering how the Xbox One and Wii U can do and they don't.

[ChrisChambers]

@joeorc

Actually what it boils down to is Sony saying no to mods.

[DragonPaw]

@Golby I remember the Wii being hacked through an altered Twilight Princess save. A mod could possibly glitch the system into a vulnerable state especially if that is the intention.

[Mr-Dude]

Bethesda's putting a lot of spin on this. This is their problem, not Sony. They're counting on the internet to raise a stink and sway Sony. Propriety audio means Bethesda doesn't want to pay. Texture / memory issues that could affect performance means that the game won't run well, which makes sense. Why should it? Textures coming from all over the place from modders all over. I get that this is something that people want, but the reality is that nobody purchases the game for the mods. The core experience is what's sold on the box. Everything else is a cherry on the sundae. If players are really more interested in the mod support, they really should go to the PC. However, blaming Sony for how the hardware is constructed, just doesn't make sense. Reminds me a lot of the Unreal Engine fiasco with the dev blaming Epic for inadequate tools and support when every other developer was doing fine.

Bethesda is hoping for some slack to make something over-promised and under-delivered. Never forget the abandoned ps3 performance of Skyrim. ABANDONED. This is not a Sony issue. Send the pitchforks elsewhere.

@Ginpachi
People here are not retarted, but really uninformed or just fanboy. Ask a good informed PC player or modder the same question about this topic, and he/she will probably say the same.

[Ginpachi-sama]

@His disagrees care to explain y u downvoted him? Cuz he's only spitting facts

[joeorc]

@Mr-Dude13m ago(Edited 12m ago)
[Bethesda's putting a lot of spin on this. This is their problem, not Sony]

Thumbs up..this was Bethesda's games..Sony was not the one that was implying or set out a promise that their company in the end just never kept..

And it's not completely cancelled also go to the links, they said it's cancelled as of right now unless Sony changes its mind..which means exactly as you and I just pointed out.

From June people:

Jul 20th 2016

Despite Hines' assurances, however, there is actually plenty of evidence that higher-ups at Bethesda were fully aware of PS4 mod problems during E3.

[At the convention, studio producer Todd Howard mentioned certain licensing issues and storage limitations that were barring the project from coming to fruition.]

Notice that?

That could very well mean Sony may have to pay a licence fee for say a codec that Microsoft uses, so as to get the Audio codec fix....!

In Hines' defense, he may not have been informed of these hindrances at the time. It's also possible that an entirely new roadblock has cropped up since then that wasn't known in June.

Shortly after the reveal of console mods in "Fallout 4," it was said that user-created content on Sony's console would be available by June. Towards the middle of that month, we were made aware of the limitations described above. The quizzical situation was fully stalled about a week later when the PS4 mods beta was delayed indefinitely. Beyond the occasional tweet, that's all we're able to share at this time

http://www.designntrend.com...

But sure it's all Sony's fault..

[little-witch]

@Ginpachi
Fanboys... and denial. If people would actually put facts or a good answer back would mean that they werent a fanboy. Now they just click disagree because..

[_-EDMIX-_]

As a day-one PlayStation 4 owner and as a lifelong PlayStation consumer I don't know if I could entirely say that Sony is not at fault , you have to understand that PlayStation 4 is still Sony's platform and if a developer is saying there mods can't work because of something very specific, I can't really just disagree with them in that regard as it's slander and it's very clear if it was not true Sony would come out and make a statement.

Does somebody here who works in the game industry who was actually specifically developed on PlayStation 4 know if this is true or not? You would have to consider the statements that this company is making are really huge they're not something slight or small it's a very big company making a huge statement about a console makers platform...

[2cents]

Fallout is all about the Mods.
Broken, glitchy, often pointless but sometimes magical mods.

This is specifically about fallout. They wanted to bring mods to console for a long time, with All the caveats in toe.

Doesn't matter if it makes the game better or worse, its about the freedom to mess around.

Xbox did it, we were then told that sony will to. Now this has happened and gamers have every right to be pissed off.

No excuses, and that is all I can see in your post. Bottom line, we were told it would come to both Xbox and PS, Bethesda and Xbox made it work...

[Yetter]

" but the reality is that nobody purchases the game for the mods"

For Bethesda games, many many people purchase these games for mods

It really is as simple as this, they work on Xbox, they don't work on PS4. PS4 is more powerful than the XB1 so why can't Bethesda get them to work? Because Sony won't remove the restrictions they need to

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Because nothing's is ever Sony's fault, ever.

[gangsta_red]

So if this is the case, why are there mods for the Xbox One?

The PS4 is more powerful with architecture that is easier for developers to work on and yet Bethesda can't get mods to work on PS4?

[JD_Shadow]

@joeorc: While you can probably try to say that, I highly doubt that to be the case here. Look at the language that is used in the update. Bethesda is blaming something specific here, and they put it in pretty clear language that is hard to take out of context: a conflict over who should have curation control. Bethesda wants it to work a certain way (they clearly specify what they want), and Sony is dead set against that. It's not hard to see, knowing how Sony has reacted to any kind of user generated content designed for their platforms that they cannot have complete curative control over. And it's clear of how Bethesda thinks mods should work, since they've been more than supportive to the modding community. It's a conflict of ideals which might not be easily fixed because of deeply rooted the two sides' beliefs to this sort of thing is.

[Exvalos]

If that's the case then sony should say something, instead of keeping there mouth shut like they always do

[Ginpachi-sama]

This is prolly more about Bethesda not being able to show good security methods.

And do i guys remember that skyrim bs Bethesda pulled last gen i wouldn't trust them if i were sony they're too close to Microsoft

[Christopher]

I don't think it has to do with security. Are we saying XBO lacks in security?

The only reasonable thing I can think of, other than Sony just being obstinate, is this is an issue with how Bethesda wanted to do something that would cost Sony due to licensing fees over how Bethesda wanted to implement it. Licensing fees that MS doesn't worry about because they own the tech/patents.

Again, I think Sony needs to come out and be as honest as possible with us here. Either they wanted to limit the mods to a point that wasn't worth it to Bethesda or they just couldn't afford it for one reason or another. We deserve to hear the why.

[JD_Shadow]

@Christopher: And we know of Sony's track record of this in the past. They haven't really been friendly to user-generated content that is not in an environment that they cannot have complete regulatory control over (because Sony thinks that kind of content is somehow the most insecure thing they can think of). Bethesda might've wanted some authority over what is approved, and because Sony wants to be the final curator (for whatever reason they have), and because Bethesda is saying no way to that, it's probably more of an issue between who has the final say of what mods are approved. If Sony really thinks that this could create a security loophole, then Sony REALLY needs to think about how "secure" PSN actually is (which is not well at all, believe me).

And I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Sony to say anything about it (though silence can prove their guilt here). Remember the radio silence we got whenever anyone tried to ask for any kind of update on that PSN outage in 2011 (and remember the way some people on this site acted like to those that dared to blame Sony for ANYTHING during that time?)? "If we shut up for a long time, people will forget it even happened". Hell, have we yet to get a reason for the PS Plus price hike yet, despite people calling Sony out on that? I like Playstation as much as the next person, but some of Sony's decisions lately, as well as them just not saying anything when getting called out like this, is getting old REAL quick!

[DarXyde]

It actually sounds like both Bethesda and Sony are to blame for this. Read the context:

"Sony has informed us they will not approve user mods the way they should work: where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition."

Sounds like Sony is either (a) against mods entirely or (b) imposing some restrictions. I don't think they're against mods entirely--why would they be? They knew this was a feature that would eventually make its way to PlayStation. I think the latter is more likely. For all we know, Bethesda is withholding mod support because Sony's policy could be something as basic as "no nudity". Technically, even with a minor restriction like that, Bethesda can still claim that users can't do **anything** they want.

Interpret that as you all will. I'm not sure what to think, honestly.

[Master of Unlocking]

I'm not sure it's because Sony said "no nudes in mods" or anything like that to be honest, they've always be known to be more tolerant about that than all the rest ever since the prime days of the PS1.
In my opinion it's rather a case where they said "alright to mods with a few exceptions, the ones that could be used by hackers as a backdoor, we don't want the 2011 fiasco to repeat itself", and Bethesda responding "it's all the mods or no mods at all *slams the door when leaving* with them bitching all they want with Sony as they're in Microsoft's bed anyway.
Anyway, I hope Bethesda and Sony will manage to reach a deal, no mods on Playstation 4 for those two games is unthinkable when they'll be on xbox. You gotta remember Sony agreed to have mods available for Unreal 3 on the PS3 last gen, when MS had refused. I don't think Sony have changed their opinion on the subject at all. Here's hoping they'll work something out, with most mods available and some not making it, it's too important a feature not to have.
But I'm really extremely curious to know the details on this one...

[Antifan]

Software issues/a lack of software is preventing mods from coming to PS4. Sony would have to come out of pocket, which I don't see them doing.

[neutralgamer1992]

First EA access
Now this

Come on sony please don't be arrogance once again like you were after success of ps2

[Mystogan]

lol. guess I could add mod support to the xbox one feature list.

[kassler]

But what's exactly is the reason? Would sure like to know. I was really looking forward to mods on PS4.

[IIFloodyII]

Sony better explain why they've finally said no after waiting so long, especially as they work great on Xbox One. If they don't, or give some bs answer like they did with EA Acess, I'm done buying Bethesda games on their platform ever again.

[TwoForce]

Well, that's kinda similar. But Their relationship with Sony is low ever since 360 day. Even so, I wasn't suprise. Bethesada favor MS more than Sony. And again, I agree.

Edit : @gamer1134 Well, it is Sony fault. I know. Even so I know Sony will fall and Microsoft will rise ever since 2014. But look again, Bethesada never have strong relationship with Sony. So I wasn't suprise after I read the article.

[gamer1138]

Favouritism has got nothing to do with it. Sony is responsible for this. Plain and simple.

[kevnb]

really, bethesda self published oblivion for ps3 when 2k wouldnt.

[XBgamer]

Yeah that's right blame Microsoft!

[MatrixxGT]

I keep seeing people talk about how it's Bethesda fault because they don't like Sony or didn't get along with PS3?

Really, Sony are the ones that came out with a complicated to develop for console.

So much so that the biggest point of ps4 was to make it easiest console to develop for, and if I'm not mistaken if you watch the 2013 ps4 reveal event from February that year I remember Bethesda praising the thing up and down saying it's exactly what they wanted from Sony.

You guys can spin this anyway you want but there is plenty of pissed people that bought fallout 4 because mods were promised and now one console gets them and another doesn't.

It's like the internet doesn't know how to react to Sony being in the negative light.

[Herpofderpopol]

When did bethesda suddenly become so believable? Does no one remember bethesdas treatment of their fan base and especially the PlayStation side in the past?

[IIFloodyII]

I don't really have any reason to doubt them here, as they showed it's possible with the XB1, but if Sony can explain why they've said no now, and it makes sense (not some bs reason, like they did with EA Access) I'll be just as annoyed with Bethesda.

[DillyDilly]

Every developer has their preference or there would not be exclusive deals & games

[Herpofderpopol]

That was my point in another comment, everyone is jumping to hate sony, on the word of devs who are well known for lies and neglect of their product, without a word from sony. Ridiculous.

[Liqu1d]

I do. I also remember the state Far Harbor launched in on PS4.

[Chevalier]

You mean the same Bugthesda that wouldn't patch their own game of a major glitch? Yeah we should believe Bugthesda.....

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

http://www.ign.com/boards/t...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

The mods were already up and running, albeit in beta form with some issues, on the PS4. The fact that they come out all of a sudden and say it's cancelled on Sony's behalf is very peculiar.

[Christopher]

Yeah. This tells me Sony isn't against mods in general, but there was obviously something with how Bethesda wanted to implement them that made it 'not possible' to Bethesda.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed I believe consumers at least needs some sort of official answer to why this company's mods cannot work on PlayStation 4.

In regards to the Electronic Arts access from PlayStation 4 I completely understand why they may not want such a service on their platform but I would still like to hear a reasoning for the mods from Sony themselves.

[shammgod]

WTF

[ThatGuyDart]

Let me just say this. From the start I couldn't care less about Fallout 4 mod support on PS4 and I already have Skyrim nodded heavily on my PC (Love it).

However I will ask my fellow PlayStation fans if I am the only one who feels fed up with Bethesda's treatment of us. Skyrim on PS3 was basically them trolling us. That thing was beyond broken. Now they cancel PS4 mod support after promise that it was coming. This has got to end. PlayStation Nation needs to hit Bethesda in their wallets until things change. We need to start boycotting them and let them know that WE are the consumers and they need to get a grip, fast.

[YinYangGaming]

Oops, looks like someone didn't read the actual article and now looks silly :P

[TwoForce]

I read the article. It is Sony fault, but the think is that Sony is never been friendly with Bethesada ever since. And EA acces, that was BS from them.

[LexHazard79]

@two Force, you need to have a shirt made with " Sonys not friendly with Bethesda" it every comment now. Lol...

[gamer1138]

Read the article before you start spouting BS. Sony is the one behind this.

[joeorc]

@gamer113828m ago
[Read the article before you start spouting BS. Sony is the one behind this.]

Go to the link and look at what Bethesda stated..

All it stated was Sony denied it because they did not or would not approved how the mods were going to work on the PS4..so how is this Sony's fault if Bethesda does not work within those restrictions..of said platform?

It's nice to say from our standpoint if you want mods your going to have to bend your entire platforms to our games will, in how it works..not us as a game studio that's independent from you and it is us that wanted to put Mods on a game we wanted to release on said companies platform.

Never mind every game Bethesda has ever released for every PlayStation has been broken one way or another..why would this be any freaking different?

[Herpofderpopol]

And you believe bethesda? After everything theyve done, theyre suddenly incapable of lying when its become a good time to hate on sony apparently?

edit: lovin those silent disagrees.

[Paytaa]

You the same guy who wears a Guy Fawkes mask before commenting on the Internet?

[Tobsesan]

Gj dont buy bethesda games and make em exclusive to MS !!! YOU CAN DO IT!!

[Condemnedman]

playstation nation lol hilarious

[Number_9]

Lol I know right?

[Erik7357]

Holy crap this is so stupid, you do know this is SONYS fault and THEY TOLD BETHESDA THEY CANT DO IT...bethesda has 100% wanted to do it and apparently has been able to months ago. Sony has just held it off and now has officially canceled it.

How about being fed up with sony?

[esmittystud101]

If you asked me one of the main differences between PC gaming and console gaming...........Mods would be number one. Doesn't bother me that mods are not coming. Buy the PC version if you wana mod. Same with GTAV. It keeps the separation between console gaming and PC gaming.............which is already dwindling away day by day. Especially when it comes to guys like Phil Spencer who is making it there number one goal to combine the two.

[TheOptimist]

You would rather say that all the gaming hardware are merging into one and in the future we could have a universal platform (PC is my best guess), and the only cost that we would pay for would be the software and online services. That'd be great and then gaming industry will flourish even more.

[joeorc]

@TheOptimist28m ago
[You would rather say that all the gaming hardware are merging into one and in the future we could have a universal platform (PC is my best guess), and the only cost that we would pay for would be the software and online services. That'd be great and then gaming industry will flourish even more.]

And what Operating System would we be using..for that PC? Hmm..that's right there is the Problem..many say oh , but the PC is an open platform..yes it is but for gaming it's really not..many games new are only really released for only one single Operating System..that is Microsoft's Windows OS..

Why should the game console market end up the exact same way..that does not breed competition, it is designed to stifle competition.. How would it be competition is if any and every game is released only for Microsoft's OS only..?

It's pretty much that way already in the PC industry..and gamers want the same thing to happen to the game console market?

Atleast in the game console market, there is choice between Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft.. Eliminate that and if Sony and Nintendo would do as many it seems suggest to release all their games on PC ..than where is the competition?

There would in effect be none.

[TheOptimist]

@jeorc

I totally agree with what you have to say, but competition doesn't necessarily mean that you have to keep changing hardware. Games and online services are a major factor in driving each company's income. They could have a service like the XBLA or PSN on the PC. You can play PS multiplayer games only by paying and all. I'm sure the big corporates can figure out something about differentiating them, so that we can change our hardware whenever we want, not whenever they want us to and not having to pay a whole 400$ or 300$ to experience one game of 60$ that you'd like to play

[Erik7357]

Agree, console gamers are all sad they don't have mods but PC has been had this amazing world for years now. It's funny how they care so much about them now.

[Tetsujin]

I'm more upset at Bethesda than Sony over this. Sony never officially said "Hey, we're providing mod support on X date." Following delay after delay, then finally stating "Sony is the reason we can't provide mod support for our games."

I blame Bethesda for providing false hope only to be shot down later. This will be remembered in the future when they release newer games down the line. Granted I do like some of their games, however this is unacceptable to say you're bringing something to the console only to say later "too bad so sad." A better response could have been something like "we're working with Sony to see what can be done" and leave it at that. I'm glad I stopped my sub with ESO back in Aug, and after reading this probably won't start up again unless they really do something to bring me back.

And for those who will try to twist my words, I'm upset at Bethesda stating something with a date, then later retracting it. I don't like being told something is coming then later saying no because of a decision by Sony. What gets me is how they already had some of the groundwork for it only to later say "cancelled." Something doesn't seem right about this.

[Ace Killa 08]

Maybe Bethesda would've met the original date if Sony helped..... we will never know.

[Tetsujin]

If Bethesda knew day one mod support was going to be challenging on PS4 they could have said at E3 back then "Mod support coming to XBOX and PC first, PS4 we're looking into" and left it there. At least then it doesn't setup for disappointment if it was cancelled, because nothing was 100% concrete. I still want to hear Sonys response to all this though to hear both sides of the situation. I don't like being told to look for something only later to be told "no" and some BS response.

As far as Sony helping, until we hear both sides of the situation all we're going off of is what Bethesda says. With Tekken 7 Harada mentioned having custom sound issues with the PS4 because of how Sonys policies are, however he didn't say "Oh its coming." He stated what the problem is, and he's working with Sony to try to find a fix for it, not providing false hope. So I have respect for Namco for at least saying they're working on it FIRST before providing an official release date.

[OldGuyStillGaming]

Based off reading comments on older articles no one here was going to buy the definitive edition of Skyrim anyway so why do you guys care now?
I doubt anyone has been waiting for the Fallout 4 mods on ps4

[LexHazard79]

It sorta like when they showed the 4K comparisons of Rise of tomb Raider and how great it looked on the Pro. And all I was thinking of how most of the fanbase on the site was crapping all over it for an entire yr. Ill buy it on sale, in the bin, not gonna play it. Oh my how time changes, which is fine because everyone has right to change their minds.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Oh shit... But Mods are awesome!?

[quent]

Maybe Sony are aware of some weird FW exploit that would be possible in conjunction with modding, just a guess

[OMGitzThatGuy]

If that's the case then Sony needs to fix their OS if allowing someone to download a game file would leave them open for a hack.

[Servbot41]

Well the good news just keeps pouring out of Sony these past weeks. And by good I mean "Haha who ****ing cares about the consumers and fans? We have the lead, they'll do whatever we want!"

They did the same thing after the PS2 leading into the PS3, and it burned them for half of an entire generation. Looks like we'll be seeing a repeat once the mid-cycle consoles all release.

[TwoForce]

Even MS will get cocky just like 360 era.

[LexHazard79]

I think MS truly learned their lesson when they launched Xbox One. Almost left for dead and all the money they had to spend to turn things around and make Xbox great again....its not there yet but there trying like hell. But certain people only see what they want. Others with less bias in them would give credit where its due.

[TheOptimist]

Sony is becoming apple now.

[LexHazard79]

Funny right because thats what MS wanted to be for a long time Apple.

[DanteVFenris666]

Please don't be so extreme. The pro is just a slightly better version of the ps4. Have some improved settings that all. Not much more is needed in this midgen console. It's an optional upgrade or a nice console for those who will be buying a ps4 for the first time.

The Scorpio is rumoured to be much more powerful. and that's fantastic as well. There is nothing wrong with differences amongst the competition.

Gamers these days after no mans sky they just go on the next thing to hate. Do you guys ever run out of things to crap on?

[aconnellan]

It really seems like it. Here's Sony in a nutshell this gen:

- No Fallout 4 mods

- No EA Access (they claim it wouldn't be of value to their users, without offering the choice)

- A hold on Rocket League cross play (granted, we still don't know 100% what's happening here, just that the ball is in their court)

- No UHD drive in their next console, even though they develop the damn things, so can implement them at cost value

- No external drive support

- No backwards compatibility (again, they decide on behalf of their users that they wouldn't want it)

- a mid-gen console that, by and large, only has a small enough power boost to cash in on the 4K crowd, and not much else

[Chevalier]

On the topic of crossgame play. Sony has no problem it seems with it. Just look at FF XIV cross platform play with PC, how come Square is having such trouble with MS and releasing it on Xbone?

[Majin-vegeta]

Anyone else member the problems with mods on x1 with people downloading them illegally or something like that?I wonder if that was the reason they cancelled them

[YinYangGaming]

Mods work perfectly fine on Xbox One Majin, nice attempt at deflection from the actual story here though.

[Majin-vegeta]

Obviously you're reading comprehension is rusty m8.This is what i was referring too.
http://kotaku.com/some-fall...

[Fishy Fingers]

Haha. Give him credit for trying.

[Sm00thNinja]

Really? Making shit up is pathetic this never happened. Your comprehension of that article is flawed people were taking credit for other people's creations. There was nothing illegal going on just hurt feelings

[Antifan]

No. The problem is software based, ps4 limited memory and lack of audio codec, unless Sony pays out of pocket. Nothing to do with copyright.

[MasterCornholio]

"where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition."

What do they mean by anything exactly?

Edit:

https://bethesda.net/#en/de...

OK now I understand where some of the issues are coming from.

"KNOWN ISSUES WITH PS4 MODS

1. PC textures are used. Memory and performance issues may occur. We are working with Sony on optimal texture exporting support in a future update.

2.Sound files are currently not supported. PS4 sound format is a proprietary format. We are working with Sony on sound file processing support in a future update.

3. PS4 Mod Storage limit is approximately 900 MB at present. Please do not upload mods larger than 900 MB. We are working with Sony to increase this limit."

With that said it appears that they knew they were going to have issues. In my opinion they are no better than Sean Murray. Bethesda shouldn't have promised mod support for the PS4 I'd they knew they were going to have issues.

[TwoForce]

I could say that player will use to exploit everything what they want. Just my guess.

[Antifan]

Why would Sony give a damn about exploits in a game? That's the developer's concern, not sony. If that was the case, The Division would have never released on PS4.

[joeorc]

@MasterCornholio42m ago(Edited 1m ago)
"where users can do anything they want for either Fallout 4 or Skyrim Special Edition."

[What do they mean by anything exactly? ]

Exactly, and thank you for posting the issues lists.

And look at each and everyone of those issues..I wonder which platform and design for those mods were made for in the 1st place..Microsoft's platforms 1st other platforms 2nd...

[Sound files are currently not supported. PS4 sound format is a proprietary format. We are working with Sony on sound file processing support in a future update. ]

Right here so which platform audio format was Fallout 4 mods made for in the 1st place? Yeah you betcha it was made for PlayStation 4 first right?...And people are blaming Sony for this?

Is the metric of Sound files format must be measured always by Microsoft's standards..screw everyone else's platforms right?

Gwiz15h ago(Edited 15h ago)
@JoeOrc

[Most people do not realize how relationships with these companies work.
Bethesda hasn't been a studio that impressed Sony and you're right about many things you said. ]

Exactly, and I Might add many say..I want to see what Sony's explanation or Excuse is going to be..

Yes. ,So Sony is going to throw Bethesda under the Bus , and further hurt their relationship with Bethesda?

It's very simple..

Sony: would most likely say something along the lines like this ..

"We are more than willing to allow game Mods on the PlayStation 4 and would be ready to work with Bethesda anytime in hopes to revolve any of these issues from bringing mods over to the PlayStation 4 system."

Hell they could also add in with how successful Play , create & share content has been highly Adopted by the PlayStation user base, we would love to add in such value to our PlayStation Users with further our great partnership.
With Bethesda!

Call it avoiding the issue or killing with kindness boiler plate response..it would be it is , what it is.

@OMGitzThatGuy

[Sony wanted a special codec that only they can access whereas all other platforms have open codecs.]

Excuse me...

So Microsoft's Audio codec is open source? No licence fee? Really!? That's very interesting..

[OMGitzThatGuy]

READ IT CAREFULLY. Its not about it having to be a Microsoft supported codec it's that Sony has a codec that they wanted to be special and the console wont play any other codec and Sony wont give access to the codec. Its not their fault that Sony wanted a special codec that only they can access whereas all other platforms have open codecs.

[Minus2trill]

well im pissed off at bethesda for serveral reasons. Last gen they were one of my favorite game companies even though most of their games was a mess on my preferred console. After realeaing a high graphical, vanilla fo4 out of pure laziness because they was banking on mods to do their jobs for them. Now i dont get the mods and im stuck wit all these lackluster dlc , which they made less of than they did from every other fo game that came b4 it. On top of hiking up the price on their season pass and only gave us 2 big dlcs n a bunch of building bs. For the rest of this gen im going to have to play tight with my wallet with them

[thisgamer503]

Considering it's SONY who cancelled mod support, speak with your wallet toward them.

[joeorc]

@thisgamer50330m ago
[Considering it's SONY who cancelled mod support, speak with your wallet toward them.]

On a game IP that Sony does not own?
It's Bethesda that cancelled it, not Sony..but yet here we are..blaming the company that does not own the IP, but yet is the one who is to blame for all the implied promise that Bethesda stated..not Sony..but sure thing ..go right ahead blame away.

@thisgamer50322m ago
[@joeorc

Did you read the article? Sony made the decision to not allow mod support.]

Did you? Sony refused the way the Mods Work on how Bethesda had them work on the PS4..Sony has not said they will refuse to allow mods at all..it was Bethesda's choice to cancel them instead of keep working to resolve the issue with the games mods in how they could work on the PS4..

Bethesda made mods to work on the PS4, and that means they knew what restrictions there were in place..Sony is not at fault for what Bethesda said they could do , when it's clear they gave up on working out a solution for their games mods working on the PS4.

It's not Sony's place to bend over backwards for one' companies mods for a game that may have or cause trouble on their network or game system..you and others are looking at this as only Sony has to bend to the will of Bethesda's coding , and not the other way around.. Why should Sony change their policy in place for just Bethesda's game only?

The issues were posted above found in the ps4 mods how hard is that to understand..the audio format was
Sony's own codec..why does Sony need to change that for Bethesda's game?

It's very clear Bethesda's always coded for Microsoft's platforms 1st everyone 2nd , nothing wrong with that that's Bethesda's choice, but do not try to say or claim it's Sony's fault for not choosing to break their policy over for something that could cause them trouble or harm their system ..but the negative news is doing its work anyway..so what ever..believe what you want to believe.

@thisgamer503
[It should also be noted just for the sake of clarity that user generated content like levels are not the same thing as mods.]

It's very clear by this response you have no idea how the PS4 games Dreams works..that is not just user created "Levels" inside of a game.... Dreams is itself one giant modding Tool & game all rolled into one!

[thisgamer503]

@joeorc

Did you read the article? Sony made the decision to not allow mod support.

@Christpher
Edit: Okay I retract my previous statement. Bethesda did in fact decide not to allow mod support. This only comes after the fact that they would have to modify how mods work in the first place just to work on ps4. Not bethesda's fault that MS actually has the more open ecosystem this gen. Sony could certainly loosen restrictions to allow mod support. It doesn't seem to be hurting MS any. Also, the fact that they are already denying mod support for skyrim shows that Sony is not willing to work to get mod support.

It should also be noted just for the sake of clarity that user generated content like levels are not the same thing as mods.

[Minus2trill]

Was it sony who provided a game that lacked in gameplay or was it bethesda before being a smart ass why dont u actually read what i said. I actually dont give a damn about the mods i just wanted a good full experience.

[Christopher]

***Did you read the article? Sony made the decision to not allow mod support.***

Did you? Because Sony didn't make the decision, Bethesda did.

[game4funz]

How does something so simple and clear still get defended. Sony said no.

Gamers have a problem? Direct your disappointment where it's due

[Ace Killa 08]

I don't understand how it's the developers fault. They wanted to work with something and probably got a thumbs up with the idea by sony. Then the actual work started and it was realized that there were limitations, something that probably could never be fixed or probably could have, but in the end Sony said no. So why is it Bethesda fault for being ambitious, but being hit by a wall by Sony that did not want to help nor provide some tools to the developers.

[SpaceRanger]

Because the issues were known since the start.

Is it that difficult for you all to read??

[Number_9]

Last gen it was Microsoft's fault for having a closed system and having too many limitations and restrictions on indies but now that the restrictions and limitations are on Sony's console it's the developers who are at fault.
Do I have that just about right?

Indeed, why should Sony increase the size of limitation from 900 to 2gb and make things easier their own fanbase when they can keep their restrictions and have that very same fanbase defend them for it?

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Ok the issue was known, guess what they tried to fix it and Sony didn't want to help and instead said no to those features. They could have enabled mods then you would have no sound and then say its their fault because Sony wont help them fix it.

[P_Bomb]

I wonder what the issue is? Sony has always been pro user generated content (LBP, inFamous 2, Buzz, Folklore, Modnation Racers, Dreams). Weird

[MasterCornholio]

I believe the way you create and publish content is very different than Fallout 4.

[Tetsujin]

Some of the reports I've read the mod support does need some adjustments between both PC and Xbox. Biggest one disabling achievements/trophies while a mod is active, which if you're using a mod for pure cosmetics I don't see the reason (cheats I can understand but not something to make your character look different). Something else I was thinking is mods are developed by the community 100% which means they aren't made using PS4 specific hardware, so if something was to break/brick the console someone would be held responsible. Which then brings up another point of potential exploits through mods.

The games you mentioned were all made in game, so they were made using what was available in game only, and not made with outside hardware (like another PC). So from Sonys' perspective it's a safety concern over just blatant no. Does this excuse the no mod support? No. But after clearing my head I can see some of the reasoning behind it.

Distribution is another factor; seeing how with the PS4 it was probably under a different parameter than how Xbox and PC does it. I want to hear Sonys' side of this, however, I'm still calling Bethesda out for providing false hope instead of just saying "we're working on it" and leaving it there.

[joeorc]

The PS4 dreams game from Media Molecule has freaking Mods , and can use 3D printers to print your own content in a 3D physical, share each other's content uploaded..but yet Sony is the one against Mods..because Bethesda's all about PlayStation all of a sudden?

Sure thing ..the proof by Bethesda's own actions all last cycle and ..this cycle ..yes Mods are coming to the PS4..but were going to release on Xbox & Windows PC 1st..oh their being worked on..sure they are still coming..

Update after over three months..well Sony will not change how mods work on their platform around how we made our Mods Work so we're going to cancel the Mods for the PS4..

But Quick everyone Lets all blame Sony for Bethesda's actions of not wanting to change how they coded their mods mainly to work on playstation instead of how its on Xbox & PC 1st and ..

oh yes PlayStation Users you can have mods also, but it's upto Sony to change for US. In order to get them.

Middle finger Bethesda, oh yes were still charging you more for the same game , but provide a solution for mods as long as you adopt Microsoft's solution instead of your own...
I say Pi$$ off Bethesda over your B$..

LMAO

[Lon3wolf]

Aren't they all first party titles though?

[joeorc]

@Lon3wolf

Last time I checked , PS4's do not come with 3D printers , or the fact Sony allows you to use in 3D renders to upload and make assets to be used in Dreams..

Sony despite many here trying to say or imply that they are somehow some way against Mods ..Sony shows proof otherwise..

In LBP for one , you could make your very own model like a piece of miniature terrains and upload the scan of it and use it as a mesh on LBP substance assets.

I should know , I actually did that ..had complete unique texture substance scans to put on wood, steel, brick..cloth etc.

And look at my disagrees, I infact did this..anyone who is a hard core LBP player infact knows you can do this , by turning your scan into a sticker..and wallah, instant unique substance mesh..that you created by making a physical piece model..and making a custom mesh sticker to add to LBP building substances..

My moon rock terrain mesh is proof positive of that..but go right ahead keep those Disagreement's coming..

While Dreams the most recent example of using exact developers in game assets ..that's right the exact same assets the actual developers them selves use to make content, Sony and Media Molecule is opening up all developers assets to users!

The game itself is the game engine itself for dreams. And yet people here are trying to imply Sony is against user created content. Or Mods?

Taking the word of a developer studio that has proven time and time again to not really give a hoot about PlayStation gamers Quality Assurance of their games running on PlayStation systems..but more that they go out of their way to provide more preferred treatment to really only Microsoft's platforms..yeah sure ..what ever people.

This is coming from a Fallout gamer fan..I have been playing since wasteland..the original, Fallout 1 on Pc, Fallout 2 , Fallout brotherhood of steel, Fallout 3 + vegas and Fallout 4, hell even the Fallout brotherhood game for the PlayStation 2, i own all of them..but I'm not blind to the truth.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Those games are just glorified level editors whereas Fallout 4 mods lets PC users create and upload to the game. Those are "user generated" fallout is "user created"

[thisgamer503]

I feel like I walked into the twilight zone. How do so many gamers not know the difference between user generated content and actual mods?

[philm87]

Easy decision to sell Fallout 4 now!

[Mr_Writer85]

Yet they will charge the same price....

[Number_9]

You mean like Destiny on Xbox One? And this isn't even Bethesda's doing since Sony's restrictions are what is keeping mods at bay.

[Mr_Writer85]

So because another game, by another company, published by another publisher struck a timed deal with Sony for paid content...

It's okay for Bethesda to say they will bring something to the PS4 version of the game the X1 version, then have cancel that, yet still charge the same price?

I fail to see the connection...Destiny is a shitty deal, but you knew before release that content would not be there.

[phoenixwing]

Not a happy camper. I don't own either game but this made it easier to not buy now.

[Felix313]

I'm amazed that anyone believed them that mod's were going to be released on the PS4.....

Looks to me like Sony was wanting mods to meet a quality benchmark while Bugthesta wanted to just slap em the console with no quality control to ensure they don't crash the game/system.

[Sm00thNinja]

Except mod support on Xbone is pretty heavily monitored and we'll input. So the quality control is there

[kevnb]

and last gen Sony was the one who actually supported some mods in unreal tournament, had free online, and had backwards compatibly (before they removed it). The biggest sign of their greed is that a slim ps3 with custom firmware can use the ps2 software emulation no problem. Despite all this I still think the ps4 is the console to own for now, and it isnt as if I like everything microsoft does either.

[Herpofderpopol]

And just like that, a company known for its bullcraps , "it just works", is now completely believeable. I'm gonna wait for Sony to say something about this before I judge,because unlike most people here I actually remember how bethesdas treated their fan base, especially the Playstation part of that base.

[iNathan]

Bugthesda can stop making games for Playstation altogether that i will not miss them, their games are full of bugs and crashes, i mean i couldn´t play Skyrim on my PS3 it got so so so bad back in the day, played it on 360 though.

[Ozmoses]

oh well

[InTheZoneAC]

Sony probably asked, "what kind of performance issues can we expect?"....Bethesda said 15 fps only in worst case scenarios....lol...

I have never cared for mods and for those that do would game on pc. However, people are whining at Sony for this, yet are probably the same people that don't play these games, already played it and had no intention on playing FO4 again, or want to take the negative PR from Skyrim and push it on Sony...

[OMGitzThatGuy]

So releasing FREE mods that MAY have a impact on performance that is 100% USER chosen is worse than allowing PAID games to release that is GUARANTEED to have performance issues. Like have you not seen all of the games that have been released on PS4 that runs like shit?

[InTheZoneAC]

I have probably around 100 games and none them run poorly. What games are you talking about?

There is obviously a reason behind Sony not allowing this, we don't know why. Instead of spazzing and complaining about a game you're probably not playing or going to play(because no one was buying skyrim at $60 anyway), go enjoy everything else...

[vickers500]

So OBVIOUSLY this means Bethesda will now price the ps4 version lower since it's less of a game, right?

Just kidding, of course they won't. They treated ps3 owners like shit, why would they be any different with ps4 owners?

[cash_longfellow]

Before we get worked up about this, we should probably wait for the other side to respond first...but I know how most gamers are...gun jumpers.

[ocelot07]

I hold my hands up. I put the blame on the mod issue on Bethesda since they seem to struggle when it comes to developing for PlayStation. But this is bad on Sony and really disappointing. Since the PS4 launched Sony has not done to much wrong in my book but this and the whole EA access thing annoys me.

[Sm00thNinja]

Daaaaaaaaamn don't buy the PS4 edition

[Liqu1d]

"Don't buy the PlayStation version" should be Bethesdas slogan.

[Monkeycan8]

Honestly, I don't really care.

[Sm00thNinja]

I don't get it Sony was the first to be so open with Model support I had Masterchief in Unreal Tournament for ps3. Something isn't adding up hope Sony releases an official statement too. Mod support is a game changer

[Christopher]

With how vague Bethesda's statement is, I really hope Sony responds with something substantial and descriptive as to why it isn't happening.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Bethesda pretty much said its because of 1. Not being able to use player made textures correctly and 2.Sony keeping their super special audio codec closed to the public so mods wouldn't be able to feature audio When Sony made their codec only available to them that pretty much shot any user created mods that are not already built into a game in the nuts. Hopefully one day they allow other open source codecs available to the system unless that is 100% hardware based.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I like how people actually believe Bethesda. By Sony's fault they meant that Sony wouldn't give them special treatment.

I should clarify though, that it sucks regardless. Only people who lose out here are sony only console owners.

[Alexander1Nevermind]

Come on Sony. I ordered Skyrim for the PS4 and want my Mods. Its hard as hell reading all those damn books!! (for the record I'll be getting the upgrade on PC for free).

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Might wanna cancel that since you have the PC version.

[peewee11016]

Action speak louder then words. Put your wallet where your mouth is

[Battlestar23]

With this and Sony going to charge people real money for update's for games on PS4PRO i think it's time gamers tell Sony to leave the gaming industry for good.

[Phantom68]

There is no charge for pspro game updates

[InTheZoneAC]

by the amount of disagrees and agrees is it safe to assume at least half the people on n4g are completely retarded?

[sullynathan]

wow

[geddesmond]

Wow really. I have been waiting months for those mods o Fallout 4. To hell with Sony on this one. If anyone from Bethesda is reading this. Sorry guys I was waiting on mods before buying your DLC, I won't be buying the DLC ow without mods and I won't be buying Skyrim now. WTF Sony, this is the things MS do to there install base. How things can change.

[DillyDilly]

People whined about Microsofts ORIGINAL POLICIES when they first announced the XBOX One funny how the tables have turned

MS also lets users have EA Access on the X1. Sony turned it down because they deemed it "not of interest" to their customers ( and so they can promote their own PS Now service ).

MS brought BC to the X1 after customers demanded it. Sony refuses, again, to push people towards PS Now.

MS offers a 4K player with the S. Sony doesn't because they deem 4K streaming to be where the interest lies

It is funny how the tables have turned in terms of policies & fan friendly stuff

[thisgamer503]

100% agree. Unfortunately I don't think the openness says anything about the company itself. I think that whoever is the underdog for the generation tends to be more open. PS3's ecosystem was FAR more open than 360's. Now that the sales have turned, so to has the direction of the company's.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

Microsoft is in a position where every time they listen to the fans it helps them out in the long run whereas the position Sony is in puts them into the mindset of Profit > Games. They denied EA access because if they allowed it the gamers would see the games that EA access is giving to its members and that would makes some cancel Plus memberships and that forces them to gives free games for the month that are not those games. Then, its "Why ask for BC when you cant buy the games again with PS Now".

[Lethaltare]

Realistically if you have been waiting this long wasn't it kind of obvious it was going to happen? Mods are better on the PC anyway, console mods are pretty pointless imo. Each to their own of course. I don't think this is a big of an issue as it is. Seems like a lot of people want to hate on PlayStation at the moment.

[joeorc]

[Seems like a lot of people want to hate on PlayStation at the moment.]

Let them freaking hate..serve more haterade, many said how this site is festered with PlayStation fanboys ..while during all ps3 cycle PlayStation gamers put up with snarky gamer forums meme little videos of Sony : How you killed a brand..Sony has no games , Sony just crammed Blu-Ray down our throats.. Blu-Ray is not needed.

8years of Haterade, what more being dished out..many cried how Microsoft was such the victim, this cycle..only three years in..LMAO

It's clear while certain companies were talked about how innovative kinect was or how Sony has no innovative drive and just Xerox copy the Nintendo Wiimotion controller idea, never mind Sony showed off real proof of concept idea for PlayStation Move in 2000 at SIGGRAPH and a freaking year later Nintendo gets pitched on the Wiimotion concept in 2001 after both Microsoft & Sony Turned it down..but yet Sony was the one who coppied the concepts..Memed Dildo controller's ..whas ever the clever meme all last cycle.

How is that working out now..Wiimotion, kinect? Meanwhile Sony with the PlayStation Move proved without a shadow of a doubt it works not only for AR but also for VR as well..just look at OculusRift and Vive with their motion controllers many PlayStation gamers are used to the hate , so what a little bit more

..Haterade comes in more flavors besides salt ...

Perfect example:

@JamesBroski

[They really don't give a heck about players anymore because they're leading this gen.]

Is that why unlike kinect & wiimote Sony is still supporting the PlayStation Move with games being made in VR that can use it..or about how Sony wants to make sure all PS4's have now HDR instead of having to buy a whole new console for it?

Backwards compatibility is easy to do when you do not have a unique architecture like the CellBE processors SPE and ring Token Bus that you do not have to emulate...

With the xbox360 single RISC processing core..

@Number_95h ago
[The PlayStation defence is strong in you my friend]

Defense? No what I am just pointing out is facts, not freaking conjecture..which is more than I can say for a group of gamers on these forums and their recent actions in recent weeks.

[Number_9]

The PlayStation defence is strong in you my friend

[JamesBroski]

Supporting the PS Move? Lol how is that a good thing? They're only using it because they don't want to spend money on developing a better controller. Like the Vive. I actually bought the Move and got ripped off because there was only a handful of games supporting it. inFamous 2 was amazing with Move support though. But pretty much everyone who tried all VR devices said that the weakest feature of the PS VR is its controllers.

On the PS4, there are already games getting a lot of frame rate drop, I can't imagine how this will be when the PS4 Pro will be here. It can only get worse. Especially with HDR.

They already have PS Now which plays PS3 games on the PS4. That would be better than nothing.

[JamesBroski]

The game runs like crap on PS4, I was hoping a mod would actually fix that since Bethesda don't seem to care about optimizing it.

Increase PS+ price
PS4 Pro screwing up early adopters
No backward compatibility
and now this?

They really don't give a heck about players anymore because they're leading this gen.

[InTheZoneAC]

I have a ps3 and so should you if you're gong to complain about BC

Is Scorpio not screwing early xbone adopters? Is xbone s not screwing early adopters?

ps+ price, how hard was it to extend your service before the price increase? It went from $4.17/month to $5/month, quit crying. Don't take this as me defending their reasons either, YOU PEOPLE need to stop whining so much.

and how is ps+ worthless? It used to be 1000000x better than what xbox live offered and I agree it doesn't seem as good before, mainly because there's less to offer on really just one fairly new console. PS+ forced M$ to actually make their service worth it for those that have blindly shelled out money for nothing before....

[JamesBroski]

The problem here on N4G is that everytime someone complains about a certain console, he's labeled a fanboy of the competition. I don't even own an Xbox One so I don't care about the scoprio at all. I hate their exclusives.

PS+ is a ripoff since it became mandatory for online mp, I stopped paying for that a few years ago. Even games for PS3 and Vita are worthless. PS+ used to be freaking amazing, but now Sony relies on online mp to make its value interesting.

People like you, swallowing everything and defending big corporations are the reason why people get fucked.

[Brian360]

yet another reason to drop Sony and get a decent gaming rig

[Deviwolf]

we need to blow this up. we cant stand for this. this is really really bad.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

What is going on with Sony? It's like they are on a mission to ruin PlayStation again.

Wasn't this for the players? Someone contact Shuhei Yoshida ASAP!

[yay111]

Sony really tripping over themselves atm e.e

[Cy]

If I was a bit more cynical and if Sony had a bit less goodwill stocked up this gen I'd be wondering when mods would start showing up only on the PS4 Pro. From what Bethesda said though, it sounds like Sony wanted to be able to censor any mods they didn't agree with. Good on Bethesda for not giving in.

[Killz4Twinkies]

Terrible

[JLynn943]

Can't wait to read how this isn't Sony's fault (coming from someone who has had every PlayStation and no Xbox systems). First cross play in rocket league and now this. If it was Nintendo doing this they'd be getting demolished.

[InTheZoneAC]

you have plenty of players on ps4, if you're that concerned about cross play go play pc or xbox...

[Chaosdreams]

Sigh. Well I was already watching F4 collect dust, but I think I'm going to trade it in now. This is a shame, since Skyrim has lost a lot of its mph for me to pick it up. I was excited for the mod support.

We clearly don't know what took place behind closed doors, but truthfully I've never been all that impressed with the quality of work that comes from Bethesda when it involves stability on a Sony console. So if Sony said no, we should be asking, why? Why did they turn it down? What was the thought process behind it? Did the mods function as they should, or were they a mess that Bethesda had no intention of fixing, so Sony said no?

All we have is one side of the story. Still, this is a shame.

#NoReasonToBuySkyrim
#ByeFallout4

[phantomexe]

Yea this sucks i preordered skyrim for the wife. She was so looking forward to this. I hope some news ppl are diging more into this story. There no reason to keep it preordered.

[2cents]

For the players?

Bad show Sony.

[BillytheBarbarian]

Sony gamers hate wrpgs. They want crybaby jrpgs. Why cater to the haters?

[Good-Smurf]

What a bad sport if this is true,greed had finally ruled over Sony's head and now they starting to do some questionable decisions,Microsoft got pushed to the corner and they forced to do the "needs"
They come back,while Sony getting reckless and over confident and their greed outbalance the need.
They better come out and rectify this issue sooner rather than later.

[Naydenspears]

Sony better get their shit together

[TimeSkipLuffy]

That is sooo Sony... I am a PS guy and will probably always stick to the PS brand but Sony always had a narrowed kind of thinking once they are in the lead. They really need to feel the pain to be second place again. That make them stronger when they released the PS4. ahhhh Sony man...

[Tobsesan]

Guess it wasnt pro enough

[rightway]

The level of hate Sony is getting right not is through the roof. I see lot of gamers turning their backs on Sony.

[Master of Unlocking]

What you're seeing are actually just xbox trolls who never owned anything Playstation, I really don't know how you fail to see that, except if you're one of those trolls. It's called the vocal minority over the silent majority .

[EpicSandwich]

Kinda funny games reaction to the ps event painted a clear picture of all Sony fans especially when the DIE HARD supporters like kfg got let down so hard. I have only had a ps4 this gen until the gears slim drops. Sony has pushed me away, their games have let me down (love uncharted) but their business decisions as of lately and the ps pro is going to sway me back to scorpio especially when it's much more powerful

[TheColbertinator]

Bwahahaha

[Chuska]

Wow, really disappointing.. Was on the edge about Gttn Skyrim.. Mods def had tipped the scale.. Now prolly not. Atleast not till it decreases in price..

[lunatic0001]

For the players... seriuosly...let's put the fanboy aside and really question Sony on what happened...they started then gen so good...they took the lead by a large margin...then we have no ea access..no external HDD support yet...raise the price of plus with out saying why...now this...honesty...I wish they didn't have such a huge lead because they think they are invincible again...I want the Sony that started this gen right not this Sony we have now

[scark92]

Let's see how well Skyrim Remastered does now...

[DefenderOfDoom2]

Maybe in the future they can work this out . Use the most tech savy people from ID Software, Bethesda and SONY and figure it out . SNAP MAP for DOOM 2016 works great on PS4 , i know it is not the same as Mods for PC ,but it a step in the right direction for PS4 and XBOX1.

[Malacath]

What are Sony playing at?

Seems that being the number 1 selling console has turned them into arrogant pricks.

They say they are for the players but then they deny the players the choice of playing mods.

I was on the fence whether to get the ps4 version or xbox one version of Skyrim. Now I know for certain it wont be the ps4 version.

[WellyUK]

Good guy Sony at it again

[LAWSON72]

Blows my mind some of you Sony ponies are defending this BS.

[Phantom68]

The best thing to do is that everyone here who disagree with this writes or tweet Shuhei Yoshida and Bethesda asking for the issue to be addressed.
Complaining here won't do anything.
The more people do this the more we get a chance of getting Sony to listen.

Here is my tweet to both Yoshida and Bethesda. Do the same please.
https://twitter.com/mygamin...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Sony wants their walled garden...lets not forget EA Access also is a service that PlayStation feels is not a good value for their gamers.

[josephayal]

Dear sony, I feel like i need to cry, but it just won't really happen

[paddy95]

fuck sony and konami

[Kokyu]

Well there is anothwr shot in the foot keep going sony its like all the right moves you made in the last three years are coming undone.

[fluxmulder]

All those poor PS4 players, waiting for this for so long. Microsoft must be laughing at this.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

It amazes me how many still defend Sony over this.

[CrimsonWing69]

Sony won us over by feeling like they understood gamers, bringing it back to the games and the gamers. When people got upset with Microsoft's vision Sony told us they're the place to go. So WTF is going on now? Like they are doing a 180 and going full r*tard on us.

Think about it, they gave us the most powerful system in the gen and were doing what gamers want...now with the Pro and Scorpio coming out they're the 2nd strongest and they're being ridiculous with not letting us have cross-play or mods...on the other hand Microsoft said yes to both.

I'm at a loss here, I don't want to bounce from a console in the middle of a generation, but I want the best system and one that's really dedicated to gamers and what we want.

[Chevalier]

Still more games on PS4 though. Games are still the main reason to get PS4, ones you can't play anywhere else. All the features aside don't change that fact.

[Lenrulesdaworld]

If he's not gaming on win10 PC/has a pc capable of running them, then he can't get them anywhere else but on an xbox console. Guys make it seem like you can play xbox games on ps4 or wii u or mac. Xbox also has a ton of games, great ones as well. Taste in games are subjective and more doesn't always mean better and that's a fact.

[MAULxx]

As joeorc said...
"[Considering it's SONY who cancelled mod support, speak with your wallet toward them.]

On a game IP that Sony does not own?
It's Bethesda that cancelled it, not Sony..but yet here we are..blaming the company that does not own the IP, but yet is the one who is to blame for all the implied promise that Bethesda stated..not Sony..but sure thing ..go right ahead blame away.

@thisgamer50322m ago
[@joeorc

Did you read the article? Sony made the decision to not allow mod support.]

Did you? Sony refused the way the Mods Work on how Bethesda had them work on the PS4..Sony has not said they will refuse to allow mods at all..it was Bethesda's choice to cancel them instead of keep working to resolve the issue with the games mods in how they could work on the PS4..

Bethesda made mods to work on the PS4, and that means they knew what restrictions there were in place..Sony is not at fault for what Bethesda said they could do , when it's clear they gave up on working out a solution for their games mods working on the PS4.

It's not Sony's place to bend over backwards for one' companies mods for a game that may have or cause trouble on their network or game system..you and others are looking at this as only Sony has to bend to the will of Bethesda's coding , and not the other way around.. Why should Sony change their policy in place for just Bethesda's game only?

The issues were posted above found in the ps4 mods how hard is that to understand..the audio format was
Sony's own codec..why does Sony need to change that for Bethesda's game?

It's very clear Bethesda's always coded for Microsoft's platforms 1st everyone 2nd , nothing wrong with that that's Bethesda's choice, but do not try to say or claim it's Sony's fault for not choosing to break their policy over for something that could cause them trouble or harm their system ..but the negative news is doing its work anyway..so what ever..believe what you want to believe."

[Tetsujin]

I agree with your statement 100%. After cooling off I'm actually surprised at how much "anti Sony" propaganda is going on right now about this. The majority here probably stopped playing the game months ago because of the BS Bethesda pulled, yet the same people jump on here whining about how it's Sonys fault for something Bethesda cancelled on their own free will. In fact, most of these people can't even read - "our way" not "full mod support." So all these "anti Sony" idiots only read the "no mod support" instead of "our way of distributing mods."

Harada (creator of Tekken) mentioned something about a sound problem with the PS4, but never officially said yes/no to the question of custom soundtracks per stage like Tag 2 had on the PS3.

[medman]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Some people are going to be highly upset.

[Germany7]

Wow, Sony really wants to screw PS4 users, what a terrible time for Sony gamers...

[EpicSandwich]

What pisses me off more is so many fanboys on this site just turn a blind eye to them and literally think they can do no wrong.

[Wallow]

Anyone want a fallout 4 collectors edition for the ps4 unsealed? Lol been trying to sell it for awhile.

[KingOfArcadia]

Bwahahahahahahaha

[BoneMagnus]

I have Fallout 4 for the PS4; looks like I'll be getting Skyrim for my XBone.

[Condemnedman]

and Sony want to charge for hdr upgrades to their games! ! greed

[Condemnedman]

it's good to be xbox gamer 👍

[MadLad]

Playstation is for the gamers.

[Gwiz]

@JoeOrc

Most people do not realize how relationships with these companies work.
Bethesda hasn't been a studio that impressed Sony and you're right about many things you said.

Bethesda pointing at Sony after they had to help them getting DLC to work for the PS3
is not going to make things better.I'm telling you most gamers do not understand this situation
and sure Sony is far from perfect but they are probably fed up with them.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

son'y been doing some very questionable things lately. it's like they're testing the waters to see how much they can piss off their consumers.

[godfire21]

I'm curious to hear what sony's answer is and than how gamers find the truth between the two companies.

[BofS]

so...bethesda lied to us......

[Deathdeliverer]

I'm shocked Sony said no to something. This sucks.

[DillyDilly]

They have said no to

4k Blu-Ray
Real Backwards Compatibility
& now mods as its unlikely any other future game with mod support will get it on a Sony system

Could the next Fallout / Elder Scrolls be Microsoft Exclusive because of Sonys unwillingness with stuff like this ?

[formanbradley]

Good thing I got tired of waiting for them and sold Fallout 4 for 3 and New Vegas. I've already gotten all trophies in 3+NV, and I still have more fun in them than the game that just released... sad.

[EricHonolulu]

I am still gonna buy Skyrim for PS4. I just like the experience how it was intended to be. I have Skyrim for PS3, but I assume the one for PS4 will come with all the DLC content.

[Number_9]

How it was intended to be is with mods

[spoilerjerk]

I did try many of the mods before I sold off my Xbox One S recently. As a non-PC gamer I was eager to see what all of the fuss was about, I left feeling kind of "meh" with the experience. Firstly, the fact that achievements are disabled on ALL mods was a huge let-down. It is understandable that mods that boost your character like any god mode cheat would disable achievements but things that make the game "prettier" should not. At the same time I didn't feel they added much to the actual gameplay experience. Maybe because Fallout 4 was really just a shooter with really bad building mechanics but I don't think PS4 users are missing out.

[Redx165]

Of course Sony and their arrogance...

Why are we stopping the future of console gaming? Why is it that Microsoft allowed this?

Sony lately is making me want to become a PC gamer.

- High Prices of a shit network
- Their arrogance to gamers
- The lack of basic features like BC or a UHD in the Pro

[DillyDilly]

The Amazon page for the Skyrim PS4 Remaster has PC Mods listed as a feature

https://www.amazon.com/Elde...

[Marugo]

Dammit we need sonys statement for this, such a dissapointment :/

[Boog_89]

You mean I will never get my Paladin Danse Buzz Lightyear :(
With this news they lose my interest in PS4 Skyrim. Won't be buying without mod support.

[SojournUK]

Maybe Sony are afraid people will find a way to use the mods as a way to inject unsigned code to exploit the system?

[XMarkstheSpot]

Got off work, smoked a bowl, then stumbled in here. I decided not to put my input into this because it doesnt effect me. But what does are the comments and my god this is gold. Im really enjoying these comments from certain people right now

[Scottyabanks]

Official: I will not be finishing fallout 4. Trading it in immediately and will not purchase the skyrim remake. Bethesda has f'd over ps gamers far too long. Too many other games far more worth spending my time on. Screw them and their bs.

[gamertk421]

Classic.

[Lordani66]

I'm trying for the third time to write a comment here, ehhh. So, stupid idiots believe this crap? Read this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Sony doesn't want crap to be released on their consoles, that causes games to crash like it does on Xbox One, so they tell Bethesda to do stability checks on mods for F4 and Skyrim HD (google out xbox one fallout 4 mods crashing), but bethesda the laziest devs ever refuse to, and they cry on the internet how much evil sony is for not letting mods on PS4. Fuck bethesda, one of the worst developers nowadays, that are so lazy they work on a 12 years old engine, and are too lazy to do the basic things, so they have to lie.

[LoveSpuds]

This is a shame but then, the public have demonstrated time and again that the will try any exploit they can that could allow access to hack a console.

I suspect that is the reason and I cant say I blame them, ultimatelybits the likes of GEOHOT and the gamers who use the hacks that are to blame in my opinion. Its a real shame because its the rest of us honest gamers who pay the price.

[xMANB3ARP1G]

Somehow I doubt this is on sonys end entirely (i bet more accuratly sony didnt wanna offer to much acess to the system to prevent hacking and piracy well microsoft dosent care at this point as the ship is already sinking either way were only getting a partial truth)
Todd howard is a pansy who likes to miss direct ppl like how skyrim dlc was having problems due to ps3 but every outher developer in the world can make dlc and release it at the same time on both. I'm starting to belive they wanna be a first party company for microsoft. All that said I won't buy anouther fallout or elder scrolls game on anything but pc I it's a bummer I was looking forward to buying skyrim yet again (4th time ps3 pc vanilla pc goty then ps4) but the lack of mod support and the price have already killed the port for me I hope ps4 users at least get a cheaper price for a game with less then half the content.

[NohansenBoy]

People, please come to PC. PC and the community will treat you right!

[PunisherRevenge]

This is unfortunate hopefully Sony change their minds in the future it sucks for their fans not allowing mod support.

[Hellsvacancy]

Since becoming a PC gamer I now more than realize why so many say "game on a PC" you avoid all this kind of bs

[CoDsuperstar]

PC MASTER RACE

[Livecustoms]

'4 The Players' my ass, disappointed in you Sony, personally i stopped playing fallout but feel sorry for the hardcore fallout fans on ps4.

[Exvalos]

Sad thing is sony won't even say anything, first there not allowing cross play with xbox and now there denying free mods wtf sony

[Artemidorus]

Is it just me or this year for Sony is ths year of the asshole?

No extras, raised prices, lacking new consoles. Might return to Microsoft dare I say...