PS3 vs. Xbox 360 ports - Microsoft's rebuttal

In response to GamePro's article, Microsoft's global marketing director, Albert Penello, offered the following response:

"We have to disagree with your conclusion that the trend of Xbox 360 versions of games being best is changing, especially when you look at the entire catalog of multiplatform titles available. We also feel there were some key features of Xbox 360 games that deserved a little more play in your reviews. For multiplatform console owners, Achievements and Gamerscore have to be listed as an influencing factor to purchase the Xbox 360 version; their success and popularity is undeniable. The fact that other consoles have not implemented anything like this across every game should not be a reason to leave these features out of consideration. Plus, with Xbox 360 the capability for controller rumble comes standard, not as a future option and you get all the benefits of Xbox LIVE and its community of more than 10 million members.

'The cold, hard truth' is that Xbox 360 has the best games - and industry reviewers and consumers agree. Xbox 360 has more games with an aggregate review score of 90 or higher than the competition combined and multiplatform titles regularly sell better on Xbox 360. The majority of games are still lead developed for Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE simply makes games better. The competition between platforms is great for gamers and in 2008 we are going to continue to work with developers to push the boundaries of our platform and the LIVE service to make sure the best game experiences continue to be on Xbox 360."

[Silellak]

Wow, all that marketing bullsh*t and he left out the simple fact that Gamepro was flat-out wrong about PSN having dedicated servers for CoD4 and Burnout when it was shown that both games use peer-to-peer connections just like XBox Live.

You'd think saying "The 'facts' you used in your article were wrong" would sound better than "BUT BUT BUT ACHIEVEMENTS AND GAMERSCORE AND RUMBLE AND METACRITIC AND AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

The peer-to-peer vs. dedicated server revelation alone shot down the entire premise of the Gamepro article, which was otherwise based entirely on opinions like "we like the PS3 controller more for DMC4", which apparently now counts as "proof" the PS3 version is better in Crazy Game Journalism Land.

[Silellak]

You know, at some point, I should really stop being surprised when people constantly "disagree" with posts that contain mostly facts, without actually bothering to post what they disagree WITH.

But right now, it still seems stupid and annoying.

[wAtdaFck]

You should't let diagree's concern you. They're nothing but a mouse print of an unspoken, and more probably, ignorant person.

I have to agree with you and the Microsoft rep TO AND EXTENT, mainly because the reasons stated by the Microsoft rep do not apply to me.

1) In my opinion, achievements are evil. They cast over the game an aroma of, "OMG! I just HAVE to get that achievement!" which leads to, with my experience, endless hours of entertainment achieving something that, quite frankly, I do not find worth my time. I love to experience the game for what it is, an art of a developers own work, not so I can achieve 1000 points. Because ultimately, they can serve as a distraction of what the developers really wanted you to focus on.

2) Rumble is nothing but a secondary immersion device that only proves as an extra feature (a nesassary extra for other people....that includes me). I'm going to get the DualSchock 3 when it comes out :D

3) I don't like paying for mulitplayer

4) Reviews prove a general perception (or may I say, a "prefesional's" prediction of what the genral percetion maybe) of what the gaming public would get out of a game. To be honest, Bioshock bored the hell out of me, and Uncharted is not my cup of tea. But I found Warhawk to be the best online experience ever, and I absolutely loved Dead Rising.

Metacritic is only there to make you feel better about how big your d!ck is in gaming.

[Proxy]

They did seem quite defensive towards an article that most everyone, on both sides, agreed was silly at best. I'm supprised they even bothered to write a response.

Maybe we'll see an official MS response to this comment in a few weeks? "MS responds to Proxy, from the N4G comment section." You just wait.

[EZCheez]

Because you said it's annoying.

Anyway, the mere fact that Microsoft thinks that article deserves a rebuttal is almost embarassing.

[kevoncox]

Ownnnnnnnnnnnage!

Lol, i wonder what's his response!
His article had no facts to it.

[iamtehpwn]

Though it seems Microsoft took offense to it, so it must have pushed some button with them.

[sonarus]

hahaha yes it is true that not all factors were taken into consideration but hey ps3 has free online play no one takes that into consideration. MSoft didnt own anyone if anything to me they sounded a little desperate and upset. They now feel they have to run around saying our version is better than sony's forever. How long will that last? They better come up with something better than that. In the end i am not a fool i have an xbox 360 and i cam quite aware 360 multiplat versions are almost always superior but not because of achievements and gamerscore. I dont give a damn about those. More important to me is frame rate graphics e.t.c. And on that front ps3 is slowly but surely catching up to the 360.

[gEnKiE]

You get disagrees no matter what you post on this site....

[jwatt]

Yes in 2007 alot of multiplatform games performed better on the 360 but you have to remember developers were getting use to the ps3 hardware. Thats why gamepro chose the ps3 performence wise because as of 2008 multiplatform games on the ps3 performed equal to or better than the 360 version.

Although M$ wants thier games to continue to perform better on the 360, they can't gurantee it, because alot of developers are now starting to put more resource into the ps3 version. Like the devs for Rainbow 6 Vegas 2 who said that the ps3 version won't be a port just shows you that things are going to be alot different then last year.

There will still be a few games that perform better on the 360 but not nearly as many as last year.

[Milky]

This is BS. Multiplatforms sellbetter because xbox 360 has more user base and the average score thing is because xbox 360 rushed into the console war a whole yaer earlier, obviously having more games. HE IS A DUMBASS.

[Nostradamus]

Usually, when a multiplatform game comes out, the 360 version gets a point higher than the PS3 version.

It has nothing to do with who launched first, or what the install base is. He is talking about review scores.

[techie]

Microsoft try way too hard. You don't get eejits from Sony saying multi games are better on PS3 than 360. Boring. Noone cares.

[Silellak]

If Penello had least brought up the fact that Gamepro was *wrong* about the multiplayer support in the games Gamepro compared, then he'd have a point.

Instead, he ended up sounding like a whiny kid who lost his ball during recess.

[sak500]

Simple fact that the eijiots at sony have 2-3 games against 30+ games. Sony hyped (lied) their ps2 and ps3 to no limits if they could find even a little proof of multiplatform games being better on ps3 then you would imagine what their B$ sorry marketing dept would come up with.

[SmokeyMcBear]

i think the correct term is idjits deep.

[DJ]

What a pitiful sight, hehe.

[techie]

"idjits"? Meh. It's all Irish to me.

[techie]

Simple fact is, they sound desperate. Gamepro is a bunch of nutters who know little about what they are writing about. Writing to them with that poor sucker PR response is just..."uh whatever" you're all a bunch of tools.

Including you sak boy.

[Mc187]

Ecxpect this to be the first in a long list of microsoft complaining about how even though they got a head start the inevitabley be trailing sony once its all over and done with. This guy sounds like the mart. lol

[SlappyMcTaint]

from their legendary, infamous RROD problem. The cold hard truth is that EVERY 360 will RROD at some point, as there is an inherent flaw in the design.

[mithril]

(Plus, with Xbox 360 the capability for controller rumble comes standard, not as a future option )

PS3 have HDD standard
Blu-Ray player standard
hdmi port standard
remote play standard
free online standard

and in option controller rumble

[xsteinbachx]

Ugh that optional rumble just killed the deal...

/sarcasm

[mithril]

i know, and my wife as a gadget doing rumble and i tape this to my controller

/sarcasm too. ;)

[Boldy]

You do realize that the Xbox 360 also comes standard with not only a HDMI port but also a HDMI chord with the system, right?

Why am I getting disagrees. Alright go to Best Buy and buy an Xbox 360 and prove to me that the Xbox 360 doesn't have an HDMI port and chord.

[mithril]

only new model of Xbox360 have hdmi port the original model don't have hdmi port

[SUP3R]

LOL
The point is, those came standard with the launch of the PS3, while you make it sound as if HDMI support was there with the 360 from its' launch and it wasn't.

To compare the things I got included with the PS3 to everything that you have to purchase separately on the 360 is a losing argument. Microsoft is making the rumble feature look as if it was the most important feature bundled with their console when in fact it should be secondary.
Again I maintain that their lack of future visionary thinking will be their downfall in the long term life of the 360.

Honestly this PR rep really looks pathetic right now to come out and reply to an article like this. Aren't they suppose to be concentrating of other major issues like fixing their public scrutiny for releasing a bugged console?
It seems they just sit in their office and twiddle their thumbs all day.

ha ha ha...pathetic(Phil ken Sebben style)

[Boldy]

When I mean that they had it as standard I was talking about currently. You list on your list the rumble feature for the PS3, but that has come out a little over a year after the PS3 came out.

Edit: Huh, still getting disagrees. Maybe whoever the people are that are disagreeing with me should hop over here... http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N... Apparently I can't even state a simple fact on here any more.

[SUP3R]

So if you're talking about HDMI being standard currently. It would be more than fair to say the PS3 will have rumble standard in June with the launch of the MGS4 Bundle, yes?
Or by your logic it wouldn't count for some odd unethical reason?

[Boldy]

@TTSUP3R
The only reason that I brought up the rumble was because you and Mithril were b***hing at me for saying that HDMI was standard on the Xbox 360. So I just took that off of Mithril's list, I wound't have mentioned it, but being that you and Mithril gave me a reason to, I did.

[moparful99]

Boldy the point is that the ps3 came with alot of features standard that were not standard on the 360.. It took microsoft nearly two years to include an hdmi port on their consoles where as sony is a little over a year in and already bringing rumble back.. Sonys late entry with the rumble has nothing to do with sony's lack of foresight, they were sued my immersion as was microsoft.. Microsoft paid immersion alot of money to drop their suit which is why they had rumble.. Sony just came to an agreement with immersion in 07.

[Boldy]

And my point was to point out an error in his list. You guys have taken this way further than I wanted. I'm done arguing this, END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!

[hfaze]

" Why am I getting disagrees. Alright go to Best Buy and buy an Xbox 360 and prove to me that the Xbox 360 doesn't have an HDMI port and chord."

First, it's either cord, or preferably cable... And second off, only the Elite comes with an HDMI cable. I bought an HDMI 360 Premium when they first came out, and have a good few buddies that have picked up HDMI Premiums, none of them came with HDMI cables.

And the fact that it didn't come with the adapter to allow you to use the TOSLINK optical jack with HDMI really SUCKED. The composite/component cables block the HDMI port. So I'm stuck with component cables if I want surround sound... :-P

[Sarick]

didn't have rumble or analog sticks originally as part of the playstation either.

Once Sony created them though they started appearing in every new console bundle. After that people forgot about the old designs in favor of the new controllers.

I assume the newer PS3's will come standard with a DS3 once they're released. I also believe once those newer controllers come standard people will forget or not care that PS3 launch models didn't have rumble. Simple reason is because theirs included one with it and there is no sense crying over what was.

[FirstknighT]

"'The cold, hard truth' is that Xbox 360 has the best games - and industry reviewers and consumers agree."

You better believe it.

The only ones that don't agree are the sony fanboys.......SHOCKING!

[season007]

some say...
"if Resistance were on xbox 360 no one would care..."

other say..
"if Resistance were on xbox 360 it would've gotten 95 instead of 89 on metacritic..."

well which is true? who knows..

[wAtdaFck]

The best games you say? Thanks for your opinion. I'll write that down.

*noted

The PS3 has great games, the 360 has great games. However, spoon feeding the public of what console allegedly has the best games is just truly damage control. The best games on a console come down to what games the user is looking for, and in what opinion that user would think to be as the best games.

[EZCheez]

Only close-minded people beleive that the best games are all on one console.

EDIT-ruibing-Thanks for helping to validate my point. That's exactly what I'm talking about. He's a great example of who would be close-minded. Although the naive comment is a little unneccessary.

[ruibing]

And you expected MS's global marketing director to say anything different? I envy your naivety.

[xsteinbachx]

You might have a few more games, but that doesn't mean they're better.

http://www.next-gen.biz/ind...

[FirstknighT]

The ps3 has 4 games rated 90 and up with 1 exclusive and 26 games rated 80 and up.

The 360 has 15 games rated 90 and up with 6 exclusives and 84 games rated 80 and up.

So which one has the better games?

PWNED!

[Siesser]

http://www.gamepro.com/news...

When it comes to first-party exclusives (which I'd imagine should be the biggest factor in picking a console), I feel that sony can't be beat. Over half of the games I'm looking forward to are from Sony themselves, and they have a broad spectrum when it comes to what kinds of games they release. But I will admit 360 has had some highly touted 3rd party exclusives its over the last two years.

[gonzopia]

Well, "best games" is a matter of opinion. I disagree that the 360 has better games, but that's my personal view, and it will differ from person to person. That's fine, that's why two consoles can exist in this world.

...the PS3 does, however, have the best hardware - and will soon rock the 360 world with vastly superior optional media capabilities. That much is fact, and can be banked.

[Lucreto]

It is all down to taste. I have a PS3 with 12 games and the only game that interests me on the 360 is Lost Odyssey and that alone is not worth a purchase of a 360.

[Peekay]

but here's why. First IMO - reviews don't mean jack.

Second: Reviewers are generally encouraged to rate games compared to what else is currently out or in a reasonable time period. The 360 came out a year before everyone else and so did it's games. There was no competition.

There were no other next gen games. Just games on the 360.

As a consequence - there was nothing else to rate to - resulting in higher review scores. I think you should be comparing review scores in the same time period for each system. You'll find them a lot closer.

[Seraphim]

Call me what you will but I don't feel the 360 has the best games. Pound for pound I've found the PS3 to be just as excellent as the 360 when it comes to games. Obviously the 360 has a few more because of it's release a year in advance; mind you, none of which I care for anyway. But at the end of the day I'm finding a precise blow for blow when it comes to software on each platform. I own just as many games for one as the next and exclusives are dominant in my collection. The only thing right now the PS3 really lacks [software wise] is a match to the 360s RPG list which includes Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, and Mass Effect. But with titles like Disgaea 3, White Knight Chronicles, and possibly a couple others releasing this year or early next I expect that the PS3 will have a decent match with what the 360 has to offer...

However. He does have an excellent point with achievements. I've been on the fence about which version to buy just because of them. And while sometimes they suck they're still a nice touch to gaming. But never have I based my sole decision of which game to buy or which is better based only on achievements. They don't really make the game better. They just add an additional level of accomplishment to them.

The fact of the matter is that there's no way I could live w/o my PS3 and 360. Both have saved my ass this Winter when there was nothing to play on one them...

and DMC 4 does feel a HELL of A LOT better on a PS3 controller than the 360s. Opinion or Not. The RB just doesn't work well with DMC 4, nor does the Exceed Bar [LT]... And a lot of us PS3 owners do have rumble.

[jmare]

There is such a thing as percentages. If you had 99 high rated games out of 1000 games, there would still be a 90% chance of getting a $hitty game. Right now for the number of out on both systems, the PS3 has a higher percentage of high rated games. Also, the numbers above were just for illustration purposes, just so you 360 fanboys don't get your panties in a bunch.

[robbo918]

The main issue is where he says "industry reviewers and consumers agree". I can think of a lot of consumers who disagree so MS can stop speaking for me. As to reviewers there are just as many reviewers that side with PS3 as X360, so its another point of personal preference.

Overall though what does anyone expect from a Microsoft PR person?

[green]

Not again.He should not have wasted his time replying to gamespots article

[Vulcan Raven]

Way to put that as a future option. To be honest I don't miss rumble.
This article is what I expected, but it is just a defensive strategy for the obvious, they are concerned about graphics looking better on the PS3 with its 2nd gen games. the multiplatform argument is negated by the fact that some developers have keyed in that PS3 owners do not buy games that look like SH*T. Look at COD4, and other games like DMC4 that were built side by side. For all the Xbox fans I am not stating that the 360 has reached it's limits, I am excited for my friend to buy GeoW2 as he is for me to buy MGS4.

[ruibing]

Don't forget reliability and HDD as a future option.

[Potty Scotty]

What about HDMI? I have an Xbox 360 and it's going through HDMI. Even though games like Assassin's Creed don't have a history of crashing on Xbox 360 and the Xbox 360 controller has Rumble. I like the Playstation 3 controller and that's PROOF that the Playstation 3 version is better.

[Vulcan Raven]

because both companies have made adjustments to what the consumer wants but in the article microsoft fails to point that out. Like rumble for PS3 and HDMI for 360.

[Kylen08]

"The cold, hard truth" is that Xbox 360 has the best games - and industry reviewers and consumers agree. Xbox 360 has more games with an aggregate review score of 90 or higher than the competition combined and multiplatform titles regularly sell better on Xbox 360. The majority of games are still lead developed for Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE simply makes games better. The competition between platforms is great for gamers and in 2008 we are going to continue to work with developers to push the boundaries of our platform and the LIVE service to make sure the best game experiences continue to be on Xbox 360.

How the ** can you say something like that? XD
MS folks are fanboys themselves. :P

[Silellak]

Have you ever met, or worked with, a marketing person?

Trust me, they live and breath this sh*t. It's especially fun when you're a programmer and you get to try and turn their lies into reality.

[Siesser]

I've never met a marketing person, but I am an avid reader of Dilbert, which I feel offers remarkable insight into how much they should be despised.

[Spike47]

Actually the ones that disagree are ps3 owners, wii owners, and even owners of xbox360.

We don't live in a fanboy only world. You have stated an opinion not a fact.

YOu my freind fail.

There is no truth, only opinion in this type of article.

When HOME arrives all ps3 games will have achievements and/or trophies plus extra content to use with HOME.

Plus, I don't buy crap that breaks down on me.

But again that is my opinion.

[Marceles]

True, while Xbox owners can celebrate having 1 frame per second in a game better than the PS3, dual console owners also buy the 360 version from feeling they get more out of their package from the achievements. Once HOME comes, I want to see if that affects the 360s third party sales. I guarantee the attach rate of the PS3 will become much much higher.

I also find it funny he's talking about options...this time he feels like something being included is right, but when questioned about HDMI, wireless, SD slots, and a HDD etc., the answer is "who cares? it's the consumer's choice".

[Kaz Hirai]

First "console shortages" and now this? These BUMBLING SIMPLETONS at Nazisoft sure love to make excuses!

MWAH-HA-HA-HA!!!

[sabbath420]

Dude you and others like you are pathetic. The fact that you always resort to name calling and console bashing is a sure sign of fear and jealousy. Why can you not just enjoy what you have and let others do the same. Now it is one thing to have different opinions and argue the points we try to make. That is fun and part of the deal. But no, you sony folks always call names and console bash.

[NO_PUDding]

Sabbath, if you ahdn't noticed there is also a Bill Gates perusing the forums. Take it lightly dude, it's a joke in the Open Zone.

The fact YOU are so defensive makes you seem insecure about your choice of console. Which no doubt with a retort to Kaz Hirai has got to be a 360.

[The Killer]

sorry if u dont like the bashing but u had yours for 1 year since ps3 launched!! now its our turn, u may not like it but its a payback time! and this time it will continue till the 360 is dead distinct 3rd!!
i told the bots to stop it if they dont want to get it back at them later but they thought ps3 and sony is finished and 360 is the new ps2 in this gen HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA AAAAAAAAAAAAA!
get really xbots from now on its on the hard way path left for u if u dont jump in and join ps3 forces!

[meepmoopmeep]

you'll see how bad the 360 side was to the PS3 a year ago... it's called Karma

[captainjy]

If you want to talk facts, this Kaz numbnut is probably 10 years old and still has a 2 inch hardon over his newly purchased POS3 because grandma got a "steal of deal". No matter how you try to spin POS3 and the world that all the Phonyites are living in and regardless of any technical issues that 360 has had, the green console has better game titles, superior online service and quite honestly, more intelligent owners than anything you could possibly hope for.

MS has swiped away many of your once cherished exclusive titles and the titles that are exclusive to the 360, you are jealous of. So go on, go rub nipples in Home and find all your little trophies that you can find because over here in the real world of gaming we have Gears 2, Fable 2, Too Human, Alan Wake, Left 4 Dead and yes, your once exclusive GTA franchise coming. And did I mention that we will soon have exclusive GTA content coming over, yep you guessed it, the one and only best online service on any game console...Live.

[Pain]

Need proof? look at the PS3's roster of games that are crap cuz made on 360 first.

There's a Reason why Most if Not all Multi-plat will be Made On PS3 first.

Its So 360 dose not hold what the game can be Back since 360 is useing old gen tech that can not compeat with new tech.

Its like games made by Valve (half life) all games are made so they can be played on dirt crap systems
or in essence so 360 can still be in the race.

Gta was made on ps3 as lead SKU but is Majorly held back from what it can be so 360 like i said can still be in the race.

[belal]

i read your comment on gamer zone. how can u say that we sony fans are denying ? offcourse he will say that xbox are better! why ? becouse he is Microsoft's global marketing director.

in this case i think its microsoft who are denying the cold hard truth that ps3 multi games works better than the xbox version.

example: cod4,burnout,dmc4 etc

[Snukadaman]

Look at metacritic and see that almost EVERY multiplatform game on xbox is either one or a 5 points higher then the ps3 counter part look at burnout paradise.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

its one point but regardless its better...another example..rockband..hell look at lost planet..the ps3 version is supposedly the "superior" version with "upgrades".

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
nuff said.

[Seraphim]

1. Lost Planet was highly overrated last year. It really wasn't that good of a game to begin with. I've yet to play the PS3 version so I can't say it's honestly that bad, but I think part of the reason for the low scores is simply that it's a year old game and the re-reviews/ers realize that it's not really that good...

2. You can't argue the Metacritic scores, but seriously, what does that prove? Any game with a multi release in the same time frame/date will have scored essentially the same on the each console. More often than not the score from any single review source is the same for both consoles if both games are released at the same time.

Secondly you have to consider that the 360 might have more exclusive listings under it's score. 360 exclusive sources. Like OXM [just an example]. While the PS3 doesn't have as many exclusive sources rating games... You'd have to search each game the Nth degree to see if this influences scores. But at a glance I normally notice the 360 does have more exclusive sources scoring games listed on Metacritic.

and before anyone gets their panties in a bunch. I do own both consoles. I just upgraded to an Elite this weekend, and I've had a 160 GB [60GB version] PS3 since launch...

[liquidsnake]

MAte you do know that there must be the same amount of reviews on metacritics in order to justify the score? Let me learn you some very basic mathematics since you seem to lack that knowledge. If the Ps3 version has 6 reviews and all of them with 8's you'll get an average score of 8. But if only one Xbox review gets a 10 then the average score will be a 10. You know how that works? So basically, metacritics don't mean jack.

[gameraxis]

xbots will always bring up the majority of multiplats, but what is really important is the most recent, and in that there lies the ps3's sucsess. of course the majority will be better on the 360 because of the learning curve of the ps3. but what should be common sense knowledge is that when u see 4 aaa games, cod4, dmc, burnout, and army of2. u realize there is no longer a problem for ps3 devs on multiplats GET USED TO IT XBOTS ur time to shine isss OOOOOOVVVVVVAAAAAAAA

[The Closing]

So defensive lately over such trivial issues.

I for one could give to sh*ts about achievements. There are millions upon millions of gamers. Who has time to take anyones score into consideration? Not me thats for sure. Wow, you just beat a video game you didn't actually save the world. Also rumble always seemed like a useless gimmick to me. Cool, the controller shakes a little, which you don't even notice after two seconds into the game anyhow if that.

[GutZ31]

I'm sorry, but if I was a PR guy for sony or microsoft, I would just end up saying "NO U!" and end the conversation.

The game journalism is taking a turn for the worst, and becoming more and more childish, so why give a grown up answer to a bunch of babys?

[Douchebaggery]

they felt the need to respond

[Wozzer]

How insecure can Micro$oft get?

[sabbath420]

They are stating facts little fella. "Achievements and Gamerscore have to be listed as an influencing factor". "other consoles have not implemented anything like this across every game". "Xbox 360 the capability for controller rumble comes standard, not as a future option". "and you get all the benefits of Xbox LIVE and its community of more than 10 million members". "and industry reviewers and consumers agree. Xbox 360 has more games with an aggregate review score of 90 or higher than the competition combined and multiplatform titles regularly sell better on Xbox 360". Those are facts.

[InMyOpinion]

How insecure can PS3 fanboys get? Look how many of you there are in here. It's pathetic.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

@Wozzer everything in that statement is puuuuuure fact. If you don't think so, prove it otherwise.

[NO_PUDding]

The above 4 replies are a beautiful example of hypocrisy

"How insecure can PS3 fanboys get? Look how many of you there are in here. It's pathetic."

Look at how many of you 360 fanboys are here also. All seemingly banned to the Open Zone?

@Sabbath and you other xbots

Bud, you are very easily misinformed by listening to Microsoft, perhaps an unbiased source of facts would be more useful. It was just the other day I saw an artcile stating PS3 had the highest average score of games across all platforms (including PS2). And how can you trust "facts" from Microsoft. We have had almost 20 years worth of "facts" from Microsoft, and they always turn out to be very misleading. The fallacy that is Microsoft's "facts" is all I need to disprove them.

[captainjy]

I wonder why that is that most of the Xbox fans are banned? Could it have anything to do with this being a pro-Phony site? Hmmm, curious...wake the hell up man. You know damn well why there are so many Xbox fans banned.

[Kleptic]

oops...

[Tempist]

No seriously, bleh.

[SKUD]

Yeah really. Yawn. I guess it was time to feed the trolls again.

[DJ]

They must be Really intimidated by Sony. Their quip about PS3 not having force feedback in its controllers is obviously false. I've had a dual shock 3 since December. =P

[Jazz4108]

Microsoft Rep was asked by another reporter what they thought about the game pro article and that is why they responded not because they felt they needed to.

[BenderDGreat82]

what a beautiful article! I just wish my godamn 360 didn't have those 3 godman lights so i can play these so-called amazing godamn games you tell me about. I swear to god, i just want a 360 that works and then talk to me about quality games.

[Mattearl]

Well godamn it!! hahaha. Thats funny right there! i agree fully!

[trancefreak]

like i said before i owned 4 xbox 360s and it wasn't the Sony loyalty that brought me to purchase a ps3, I was feed up with returning the xbox360 to best buy for a new one. I knew there were limited games when i purchased the ps3 but i took a chance with the brand name and new it would one day that would all change. Now to come to find out i wasn't the only suker having hardware failures it was a phenomenon. Bottom line is Ms lost a customer and Sony earned my $$$ and support. Ms did this to them selves IMO by not rectifying their failures as a console designer so i can careless what gaming experience that Ms employee has to rebut because mine suked. Now im happy with my newer investment :)

[DFresh]

Microsoft had a whole year to work on graphics before the PS3 even came out.
Then if you add in w/ game reviews people begin to realize games on the PS3 looked better than the 360 all along.
ex.)
Use HDMI Cable not component (set to full not limited)
Set to full HD Output
and
turn on the Super White HDMI Setting.
Right there PS3 blew away the 360 hands down.

[mccomber]

I agree about achievements having a sway in my purchasing decisions, especially when I'm in one of the challenges for a prize; but it doesn't necessarily mean I buy a mulitplatform game on the 360 based on just that, it just means I'm willing to play a mediocre game that has easy points. I buy the game for the GAME, not for the meaningless crap that gets tossed in. If it makes the game more fun, great. Otherwise...

The thing about this defense is, they are pretty much all points that can/will change. Rumble is coming to the PS3 for those who care. Home will bring about all sorts of features, some that Live won't be able to offer in it's current form.
I'm glad that MS feels the need to speak up about this stuff though. It means they realize that Sony is very much back in the game, and a threat to their console and service. That of course means that they'll have to step it up to stay ahead, and we as gamers will reap the benefits of that competition.

[LeShin]

"'The cold, hard truth' is that Xbox 360 has the best games - and industry reviewers and consumers agree."

Sorry, but that is one of the stupidest comment I have ever heard, and the marketing director comes off as a retard as do the people who agree with his comment.

Why?

A die hard fan of Mario is NOT going to think the 360 has the best games.

A die hard Zelda fan is NOT going to think the 360 has the best games.

A die hard Gran Turismo fan is NOT going to think the 360 has the best games.

A die hard Final Fantasy fan.........you get the picture I could go go forever.

The ONLY thing that is "FACT" (since there is a poster above me that's interested in "facts") is that the 360 has MORE games than the PS3 and the Wii......and that's it. I and the groups of people that I mentioned won't care if the 360 has a higher percentage of games on metacritic that have a higher grade if the games they actually want aren't on the system. When will people realise this simple "fact".

In addition there are at least three posters above who are definitely in the wrong bloody zone. Or maybe they just failed to read the "Gamer zone posting guidelines" especially the part: "......so leave your fanboyism at the door please"

EDIT: Oops, seems like wAtdafck said what I was thinking before I got the chance lol

[titntin]

Well I never thought I'd see it.

Microsoft must trully be running scared if they have to answer a simple opinion piece on a web site. The article basically said the games are almost identical and we prefer a six axis to control a couple of them. What about that warrants such an MS rebuttal? Big brother getting annoyed it doesn't control the press as tightly as it used to?

Whats next, is uncle Bill gonna post rebuttal comments to opinions expressed on N4G?? Now that would be funny :)

[mighty_douche]

How many bubbles you think he'd have...?

[EZCheez]

He wouldn't have any bubbles. He wouldn't need any because he would buy the website, reduce everyone else down to one bubble, and heavily moderate the forums and comment sections.

All on his own.

[InMyOpinion]

And that's the cold hard truth.

Achievements, gamerscore, rumble, ingame XMB, unified friends list, customizable soundtracks. The list goes on. It all comes free, straight out the box. In all games.

Until you sad Sony freaks have those features, you have nothing at all to compete with. Deal with it.

[strongbad1441]

But you're forgetting that the PS3 has online play for free right out of the box. I mean, if you don't pay for LIVE, the gamerscore, and the unified friends list don't really matter.

[-EvoAnubis-]

Wait until this summer, Chuckles. We'll see what happens then.

[paper]

You sound like Penello, so what part of "comparison between ports" did you not understand?

You lose.

[heyheyhey]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA H HAH
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A HAHA

you fail

XMB is short for "Cross-Media Bar" which is a GUI used in the PSP and PS3 and NOT in the Xbox 360

thus the Xbox 360 cannot have "ingame XMB" because it doesn't implement it in the first place

in short- you fail

EDIT: you really do fail for saying that,

EDIT 2: not one to kick a dead horse but, YOU FAIL!!!!

[pwnsause]

YOU FAIL.

[InMyOpinion]

I got just the desperate reaction I was looking for from you. You just proved what I wrote was true. If not there wouldn't be such a desperate reaction. I really don't see how you can fail in stating your opinion? Logic of a PS3 fanboy I guess.

Anyways, nice pic of your mother. Bit hairy, don't you think?

[meepmoopmeep]

oh yeah, but you're paying for those features and in a couple months the PS3 side will have those and more FREE.. it's you who will have nothing to say anymore. deal with it.

[SUP3R]

A personal attack like that?
You really are taking this a little too seriously to bring disrespecting someones mother into this.
It's a mix of shame and disappointment that is causing you to react like that and it's very uncalled for.

You truly do fail you pathetic soul.

[captainjy]

strongbad, go stroke your BD disc or something. Don't be an idiot man. Don't even throw out the argument about having to pay to play online. It's funny how all you Phony people are fine with spending $600 for your movie machine, but for arguments sake like to throw out $39 for 13 months of Live subscription. It's $3 a month, geezus H.

[InMyOpinion]

@heyheyhey - Ingame dashboard then. I meant what happens when you push the 'x' button on the 360 while in a game, and what does not happen when you do the same on the PS3.

@moopmeepmoop - All of those features are free on Xbox Live. Go install some demos or something.

How is PSN lagshop working? Are you able to navigate it's small content without getting frustrated, having to select everything 3 times before it reacts?

I'd rather pay for something as good as Xbox Live, than having to pay for features like rumble and component cables that should have been there from start. 1 Blu-Ray movie(that you watch once or twice), or a year of full-feathered feature packed online play? Hmmm...

[princejb134]

i agree with you the red lights are a problem
and yes it is true 360 has the largest library of games for the next generation that are a rating of 90 or above
but most of these overall 90 rating games there talking about, the majority of people dont really play them much, only for the gamerscore
gears may be one of the best shooters every created but halo is a ehhh " to overrated and bs in my opinion"

[kenshin22up]

brilliant, do you want a cookie too penello? haha

[-EvoAnubis-]

Companies only refute rumors when they are true. Otherwise, they don't care.

[NO_PUDding]

Especially such a small rumour. GamePro isn't even a well known gamign media outlet. Fair enough if it were Gamespot or IGN, but GamePro?

[niall77]

not every gamem evey dev makes will play better on the 360

theres no need for MS defend this fact and responding to one sites OPINION just seems a bit petty as well as them bringing rumble/xbl into it.

you WONT see sony responding to this story saying there system has a FREE online network and doesnt have "systematic hardware faluire"

why?? because it doesnt matter... its just one site

to sume up I think MS responed in a bad show of fanboy pleaseing flame bate

[Mattearl]

Well of course he's going to say the Xbox is better...

And wow... could you throw some more marketing in that statement?!!

Not that i disagree with his statement, its just you have to give credit to the PS. Its gaining momentum and being successful.

Nuf said.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

They said all of that and the ps3 gamers say Well they don have hdmi and I dont even miss rumble. These A$$HOLZ speak for their lonly selves! As a ps3 gamer now i really miss rumble and the controller hurts my hand and feels bothersome. I hate the slippery trigger buttons and the whole experience at sony online just makes me want to stop playing games and start masturbating to porn on the browser. Its a shame! Xbox IS the best right now and Im not sure anymore if all im doing is looking into a fog of the future waiting for something unique from a ps3. AS a ps3 gamer I know all of the ps3 gamers feel this way and I want to help by telling them not to put up with the bull and demand more from Sony! Sony is supposed to be listening to gamers now since they are not focused on blu ray anymore.

[NO_PUDding]

Seems you already used the internet browser for way too much porn...

You have gone blind.

[xg-ei8ht]

PS3 FOR THE WIN BABY!!!!

You 360 fans know its coming.

Jump out and play beyond.

The time is now!!

[Silellak]

Wrong zone, fanboy.

[arakouftaian]

we have a free blueray movie player in few mounth we have a free thing called home and belive me is good and is fact look at sims how good it sales, and we can play and download free stuf from my playstation do u have any of those? and tell me why the hell i will want 2 play a brietney spears song when im playing a game
? and sure u may do that. be honest the ps3 has more thing 2 offer n is free. we dont have 2 play extra for it and that fell good 2 me and 2 all ps fans we get what we deserve and xbox fans pay for what they get

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

He just gave Gamepro and the PS3 camp a "cold hard" stiff one with out using vaseline. I would ask how that felt, but your to busy screaming out in pain to answer. Gamepay and the PS3 fanboys are going to be walking with a puckered butt tomorrow.

[NO_PUDding]

Yes while Microsoft happily sodomises you with their "facts".

[captainjy]

If anyone was sodomized, it was the BD fanatics who spent $600 thinking they would really get games and not movies. Don't try to act like Phony is innocent. We all remember the rootkit.

[The Closing]

I would seriously consider firing this guy for making me look so damn childish over nothing. People can see right through this, and it makes them look weak on their side like they have something to defend.

[LaChance]

responded everyone knows that the best games are on the 360.Nobody believed Gamepro except for a couple of fanboys (not all though).

No really , honestly everyone knows that at this very moment the best games are on 360.
Im not talking about in a couple of months or years.Im talking about right now.
Wnen you compare the 360 to the ps3 its crystal clear who has the best games

[heyheyhey]

can't help but agree with you there

although a PC/PS3 combo pwns all

you can't get PS3 exclusives on PC, you can get 360 "exclusives" on PC- therefore you get the best of both worlds

now that's whassup

[eagle21]

I don't even understand the need to comment on an internet based article that came to thier own conclusions about the "best". Microsoft has nothing on Sony anymore and they know it. Half the stuff they tout are worthless to most gamers. PSN will trump live by summer E3. That 10 million since 2002 is old news, when Sony is approaching 7 million in 1.1 years. Boo, hoo...Harry Potter Multi doesn't count anymore...Burnout Paradise, COD 4, DMC4 do....and that is where PS3 rules! I know Sony and Rockstar have something special for GTA IV/ HOME...MS is losing worldwide and it's nobody's fault but theirs.

[xSithx]

"you get all the benefits of Xbox LIVE and its community of more than 10 million members."

I love how he brings up a service that costs money to justify the purchase of a 360 game over PS3. Making valid points would be a good start, but companies will try to say anything to justify their product so I'm not too surprised.

Now that I have that out of the way, I own both and I tend to buy the game on the PS3 over the 360 simply because I don't have to worry about the RROD. In my opinion the 360 versions are often superior because of the ability to play your own music and I think the controller is much better. However, it comes down to which system I can play the most on and I have much more confidence in my PS3.

[NO_PUDding]

The Real Cold Hard Truth?

Things are already changing, and Microsoft knows it.

The scary thing is, is that they can do nothing to stop it sliding away. All they can do is whine about individual tiny articles on GamePro. What a fantastic moment for PS3 users who have been throguh the thick of it last Autumn.

[heyheyhey]

Microsoft= hedgehog

it's just some magazine jeez, don't have to tell us your life story just to prove some magazine wrong

[dirtrider]

its only the "best" gaming experience when it actually works! they really need to work on reliability next generation, other than that the 360 is a good system. i also have to say im glad i have a ps3 as well too though

[NO_PUDding]

I hate people bringing up 360's reliability. To the mainstream gamers that buy consoles, those stats are never touted to the customers. In fact the 3 year warranty is usually just a bonus to many customers.

I would if I owned a 360 be buying some multiplatform games for it, even with the threat of RRoD, people blow it out of proportion.

What it is in the long run, is that 360 is just overpriced for what it is, and it doesn't have sufficient features. That is made specifically clear when a representative of MS, has to state that things from PS3 don't come standard, when PS3 has far more things that do come standard that aren't even available for 360 period.

I'd go as far as to say this is an awful media stunt, that AP will get penalised for.

[Blademask]

Desperation.

They understand 2 years and 17 million units wont be enough to stop 1 year 10.5 ps3's.

Its cute how the MS guy responds by bringing up past history.

-Clearly the 360 has more titles (it had a year head start/Dremcast had more titles too
-The article is about current games.

Current games which run better on the ps3. Thats really it. I'm sick of the state of the industry, NO ONE gives credit to the PS3 for anything.

Its IMPOSSIBLE for it to have any advantage over the 360. Such sad logic, when the floor of it is crumbling right under it.

[fredy]

Nothing wrong with the truth....to bother the fanboys here and there.

oh flaim on flaim on.

[The Closing]

But alas there is no need to since you did it to yourself by dropping out of the third grade.

[eagle21]

You know, the thing has to work for your fans to enjoy it right? You have nothing on Sony or Nintendo anymore and you KNOW IT! You didn't make this much commotion about the RROD! They always say something when we are approaching the 15th...lololololololololololol olololol

[arakouftaian]

n xbox is like freezer they r on their last transformation n we the ps3 still not even transform into the super sayyajin and there is still super sayyajin 2-3-4 and then the fucion and all ps3 power is allmost unlimitated hahahahahaha
btw i hope they dotn ruin it up whit the new DRAGONBALL Movie they r making... i cant still belive is comming in few mounths its wird....

[Ri0tSquad]

But what will say when Sony offers all of this but still keeps it free?
Free online> achievements, in-game features.
Sony keeping their online free is making me buy multiplatform games that go online on their system. You guys can ride this short wave of the 360 advantage that it has over the PS3 but it won't be long before it gets them.

[Snukadaman]

You sony ps3 owners were suppose too be playing LBP by now right....hell you people should be in home right now....but the sad truth is your not...your actually waiting for a home beta that a couple of people will be apart of...not the whole sony community...sony is great at showing potential.....potentially it will be a great system..but until then its not.

[Citizen Cook]

its good to see M$ kicking ass!

HA HA HA HA!

[heyheyhey]

you seem to love M$

you do realize what will happen if M$ wins this thing don't you?

on second thought scratch that, you probably have no idea what will happen if M$ win this thing

you really don't and i can't be arsed to explain it to you

@LaChance

erm- i bought UT for PC mate

i bought DMC4 for PS3 because i like using the Dual-shock (you can use the 360 controller with Games for Windows, but not the dualshock)

and i wasn't speaking for the mass market mate- i was speaking for myself

the 360 is irrelevant to me, PS3/PC/Wii/PSP is all i need

[InMyOpinion]

What would happen if MS won? Is MS more of an evil multi-national corporation than Sony? No. Not at all. In what way is Sony better? What has Ken Kutaragi done for humanity? Kaz? Phil? At least Bill Gates donates billions and more billions to charity. No gimmicks, cold hard cash. I'm not saying he's some kind of saint because of this. It's just that your mind is clouded. You choose to see Sony as some kind of underdog hero or something. Ignorant.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

What would be best for us gamers would be that no one "won". We benefit from their competition.

[LaChance]

And by th way most people and the mass market in general prefer playing games on consoles big time.Even you , why did u buy Unreal tournament for the ps3 and not pc ? Why do you get DMC 4 on ps3 and not pc (i know its coming later but still.)and the same goes for GTA4
You see , playing on consoles is wassup !!! you would prefer playing the 360 exclusives on console (play them on 360 or on ps3) right ?

Edit : oh sorry I didnt read your comment properly.Thought you disagreed woth me saying that you didnt need a 360 because of pc.
My mistake.

[arakouftaian]

becuz she pays the bills taht teh xbox3shitit give ur afth3r buying it . they should see how many ps3 owner buy their ps3 and how many xbox owners moms buy their thing u will be surprice...

[Shaka2K6]

All multi-pats AAA's

cod4,Oblivion,dmc4,Burnout ect. best on PS3.

all crappy multi-pats nobody cares about but the xlaves

the darkness,madden,ass creed,turok best on 3fixme.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

And then I ask, do you have anymore?

Now you understand why your pwned.

[caffman]

Just my opinion but I've played it on both and prefer it on the 360

[Raptors]

SMH @ Microsoft even responding to that piece of trash of an article. Sony fans were even questioning it and that says alot.

[ApocalypseShadow]

ports mean nothing if the game doesn't take advantage of the other system.

having a year head start is the one reason microsoft has more games and features.

and the other reason is fans of xbox that turned a blind eye to problems with games and passed out "10s" to some games that didn't deserve it.perfect storm my @ss.

it is the exclusives that win the day.

sony showed right off the bat that they could do 20vs20 multiplayer with no lag.microsoft has not.

sony showed that 1080p at 60fps can be displayed onscreen with highly detailed cars.while 360 racers achieve at best either 60fps at 720 with 8 cars.or 30fps at 720p with 8 cars.and that extra 10mb of memory has not stopped games like halo3 or forza2 from having heavy jaggies.

sony showed that heavenly sword can have tons of enemies with AA,physics,lighting,effects,et c.while dead rising and 99 knights had no backgrounds or lumbering enemies just standing around.

motorstorm has yet to be topped by any racer on 360.deformation of the terrain,physics,multiple cars,great lighting,mud effects,vehicle damage.all at the same time.online or off.a 360 game may have some of these features but not others.

when you hear about ps3 development,you hear about lighting,deffered rendering,1080p,raytracing,obj ects onscreen,larger textures,destruction of backgrounds,high end sound,multiple languages,etc.

when you hear about 360 development,you hear about lack of space,lower resolutions,repeated backgrounds(like in oblivion and mass effect for planets),less enemies or short draw distances,downloads that are smaller or couldn't fit on dvd-9 so they make you pay for it later.

so they can talk about ports all day to save face,but it is the exclusives that are showing what game system is pushing next gen potential.and which one is struggling to stay competitive.

megaton....................

[skynidas]

These games are awesome on both platforms we should stop the discussion

[whoelse]

Well we got accomplishments (and hopefully more) on the way!

[Ali_The_Brit]

i lmao because its like M$ took it to heart and went and responded.

[tweaker]

It wasn't a big controversy at all yet they still replied to that article. Wow, they must have felt that it was threatening their future multiplat lineup. lol

[CaliGamer]

How much credibility did GamePro just get? I think MS looks more desperate than anything responding to a story such as that, they would have done better to get one of their affiliates (1up, GameSpot, or CNet) to do a similar story in rebuttal.

That is too funny.

[deeznuts]

"We have to disagree with your conclusion that the trend of Xbox 360 versions of games being best is changing, especially when you look at the entire catalog of multiplatform titles available."

If you are arguing that the trend is changing, you don't look at the entire catalog. You look at recent titles. That's why you are arguing it is changing.

For a marketer, he sure doesn't use words too well.

[The Wood]

WELL DONE GOONERS

kaka = lunch 4 cesc

sorry

Ms must be on these boards everyday it seems and reading every article which is fair but now its very apparent

[caffman]

UP THE VILLA!!!

Seriously though it was a good game don't you think

[The Wood]

you guys did play well though ill give you that with interest. Maybe we were saving ourselves for those mugs in italy. Luring them into a false sense of security who knows

[Covenant]

Perfect example of corporate-speak.

For a little amusement, take the article and replace every "Xbox 360" with "PS3" and see how it sounds. For that matter, use other words, like "Ford" or "Toshiba" or "Pepsi."

Corporations and politicians...and yes, cult leaders, if you think about it...are experts at this kind of stuff.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

GamePro is a unknown, non-factor site, etc... I would say to you...you are wrong. GamePro the magazine has been around a LONG time and stood the test of time. It may not be the best source for the hardcore fans ...but I see the covers of GamePro mags at all the Grocery Stores and 7-11's of the world. The mag has a pretty big distribution and therefore a good reach.

Which is why MS felt compelled to respond. And I for one was more than glad to see them call out GamePro (the media) for posting up a garbage article that was not factual. We are seeing FAR too many media outlets taking liberties with their "research"...so good for MS for standing up and saying "we disagree".

NOW...I really do wish they had responded to the in-accuracy of the article as well. But... Oh well.

[GETPWNZORED]

"The cold, hard truth' is that Xbox 360 has the best games - and industry reviewers and consumers agree. Xbox 360 has more games with an aggregate review score of 90 or higher than the competition combined and multiplatform titles regularly sell better on Xbox 360. The majority of games are still lead developed for Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE simply makes games better."

"But, but, but, but, but.. teh RROD!11!!11"

[DragonKnight]

Microsoft responded to a crappy article out of fear. You can continue to try to deny it, just like they do, but they ARE afraid of Sony. And with good reason.

[GETPWNZORED]

So, the "DKO" has finally made its/his appearance, eh? It's good to see you, my brother.

In other news, I just beat-off that firebeast dude again, but as Dante. So badass......... You were right about those new modes and combos. That Kung Fu armor is awesome, not to mention the Lucifer spikes. DAMN.

[NMC2007]

Wow, it seems that MS has hit a nerve in the PS fanboy community, I mean when my eye was caught by the heading of this topic I just KNEW!!! there would be over 100 replies, I knew it lol, it's funny to see PS fans on the defensive ALL THE TIME!! I mean Jesus, do you guys get into heaven for defending the all mighty Sony platform?

This place is pretty rediculous when it comes to the comment section, I mean the news is great and sometimes the contributions are excellent but when you walk into the comment section of almost any news thread it makes the awesomeness of this place roll downhill faster than the speed of light.

In other words, you fanboys need to chill out on all the useless bashing because at the end of the day, nobody cares but you, and you probably don't even care that much.

*shrugs*

And as far as the MS guy and his rebuttal, I am glad he did that, because if anyone here did something and then have whatever you did Gamepro'd then I am sure you would set the record straight as well, I am sure if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Sony coming out of the gates to their own defense then the tune of the song would play out a hell of alot differently in this place, you know it's true.

Ah well.

[bee2427]

i agree that its stupid to care about this but its kinda obvious that a major corporation cared about it enough to write a response, its not just another website its the actual company so i think that is why people are sayin that its sad that it was even written but yea the whole thing is immature... and also if your glad that he wrote what he did then you should except other people to express there opinion about it, you cant just say it was a good idea to say that and that its a waste for people to comment about it

[Bizmal]

I canceled my XBL account because it was not worth the fee and I'm a hardcore gamer. Gamerscores although it's fun, gives you nothing but time spent options for the most part. Kill 10.000 people in this game Read the credits in this game. The Leader boards on almost every single game is also time spent. It's not whos better it's who plays more. Every other game you get alittle kid or angry racist. When people loose in game they quit in the middle of the game and since in most games will not let people join the game while it's in progress it becomes offset. The biggest thing of all is the LAG. I think most people play XBL becasue they don't understand what it's like play with a real leaderboard, Lag free, and gameplay that can handle quiters not to mention it's free. This is not about PSN. It's about XBL having a fee. I play every day without lag, with live voice and msging, dedicated servers and I pay nothing.

[LightningPS3]

That's why Sony is doing those things, adding accomplishments, rumble and in game messaging or whatever.

But I don't see what's so special about XBOX live.

I've played warhawk, Resistance, and sports games online with PSN. And I feel I got the true experience of the game.

I've played sports games on XBOX live also. I don't see how being on XBOX live made them any better. You win or loose and you keep your record with that profile just like PSN.

So I keep hearing this OMG! XBOX live, you've never played online unless you used XBOX live. And that's bullshit, it's not that big of a deal.

[Asurastrike]

Microsoft, you make it worse by responding.

[PimpHandStrong]

That MS even had to come back on that stupid flame bait article. Looks like they have some childish adults working over there.

What a joke gamepro was and now MS is swimming in the same pool

[ApocalypseShadow]

if any fan of microsoft can point out a developer who is pushing next gen tech,point them out.

what's the point of having 1080p upscaling if games 2 years after being on the market CAN'T achieve it?let along 1080p at 60fps.

what's the point of having hdmi 1.2 if the latest standard is 1.3?

what's the point of the elite and premium having a larger hard drive if developers can't use them?

what's the point of paying for p2p online gaming when there is still lag,boot offs,and no game achieving what sony did a year ago at 20vs20 multiplayer?and a year later wants to achieve 30vs30 multiplayer.

what's the point of having 10mb for antiliasing if games 2 years later are riddled with jaggies?even first party games from microsoft?

why are games still having framerate problems and texture pop in if 360 is supposed to be easier to make games on?

it isn't ports that microsoft should be disputing.it is the inferior nature of the system itself being one year BEHIND ps3 on next gen tech.360 is somewhere in the middle between xbox 1 and ps3.it's why ken k said xbox 1.5.because no developer has jumped out and praised the system for it's number crunching power over ps3.

if microsoft has to defend its position on ports,then how are they going to defend in-house games when games prove 360's inferior abilities?

show me raytracing,show me tons of characters,show me something that says ports to ps3 make ps3 inferior to 360 when 360 ground up games are lacking.

megaton......................

[Spike47]

in what world do you live in?

Why do you think PS fanboys are defending their console?

Because 360 fanboys are bashing it.

Why do u make it seems as if ps fanboys and xbox fanboys have different characteristics?

fanboys are fanboys end of story.

And no sony would'nt of responded if the article had been the opposite, there have been other articles that bash Sony and the PS3 and sony has'nt done anything about it.

I think it's because they stick to their plan, let the media talk all they want, and then let the numbers talk for them in the day of tommorow.

[NMC2007]

That is why I do not know the characteristics of either side, I don't care for fanboyism myself but I find it sad that fanboys make gamers look like complete morons, and it hurts us non-fanboy gamers that we are associated as one with the fanboys, I mean I love my Xbox 360 but I am not gonna take anything away from the other consoles, I mean if Sony or Nintendo makes something or does something awesome then I will give them their credit.

The fact of the matter is that I am usually called an Xbox fanboy because I only have an Xbox 360 and it's by choice, people seem to think just because I own just that console that I am a cheerleader for it, no, and that sucks, it's places like this and gamefaqs that put the dark cloud over gamers and it's sad IMO, now I bet some are thinking if I don't like it then leave, of course, that is the easy way out, but no, I will stay for the news and great contributions of gamers, and while I do not post much, I will not speak on the fanboyism that this place is bathed in anymore.

So in closing, I have nothing against fanboys, I mean they are what they are and I have nothing against that, besides, fanboys are the Three Stooges of gaming, they are hilarious and if you put Xbox fanboys in the same room with PS fanboys I wonder what would happen if they got in one of these crazy debates in person, are they passionate enough about their consoles to fight or will they just let their mouths do the talking?

Who knows, but all I know is that I am going to play my Xbox 360.

[PimpHandStrong]

the 1080p 60FPS and HDMI 1.2 are facts that no one can argue with.

We know GTProlouge is 1080p and 60FPS

but then again when it comes out some geek will get the real numbers.

Its funny when i hear WE HAVE RUMBLE and Gamerscore.

[arakouftaian]

if u think n4g is redicolous and any other think the same then taht means u r ediculous 2, i know they r stupid things here sometimes but they r good thing sometimes 2 stop beeing rediculous n dont come here or respetc n4g is the best...

[PimpHandStrong]

after reading this

multiplatform titles regularly sell better on Xbox 360. The majority of games are still lead developed for Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE simply makes games better

i guess that year head start is really making them happy huh

Just seen a thing on the History Channel about The Internet. MS wasnt put into a good light. in fact many ppl in the biz say there evil...

[meepmoopmeep]

a shooter platform running out of bullets

[DragonKnight]

Awwwww, did the little game site hurt your big corporate feelings?

I can't believe they are surprised by this. And no, achievements and rumble should not be considered.

Achievements are not for enjoyment, they are for bragging rights. No one buys a game thinking "Oh, I'm going to enjoy killing 3249734912742374298472948712 people to get the Ultimate Pwner achievement because it's fun spending 3 days shooting things up to get it"

What they ARE thinking is "I'm going to get this achievement so I can rub it in ________ face(s) and get a small sense of satisfaction from the fact that I wasted 3 days doing a repetitive action that gets less fun the more I do it."

And Rumble is a luxury feature that any gamer who's been gaming since at least the SNES knows is not needed to enjoy a game, or even play the game.

Microsoft is just afraid, and this unneeded response to a harmless article is proof of that.

[robbo918]

I know online gaming is huge to some people but not so big with me (and there are plenty of people out there like me). If I ever do go online I don't care about achievements or trophies, those are just something for people to be arrogant about and I prefer to not act like a 12 year old. I do like unlocking things, but not to brag, simply to make the game more fun (and WOW I don't need online for that).

I know I am a minority and all that and this is just my opinion (and the disagrees will fly to me anyway lol), but I think gaming was more fun when the "pwn" oriented people didn't exist or at least didn't play. People pretend you aren't a hardcore gamer unless you sit up all night "pwning" people but I disagree.

[GETPWNZORED]

You've been gaming since PS2 LOL. Don't lie again.

[robbo918]

It goes way back to Atari actually. Lie again? When did I lie? OH you mean when I disagree with your ignorant posts, in that case I am a habitual liar.

At 37 years old I have probably been playing consoles longer than you have been dreaming a woman would do what your most recent avatars depict.

[cheetah]

This bullsh*t PR they continually spout is mocking the very people who support their point of view. They are misleading when it comes to sales, lie about hardware superiority and down right criminal when it comes to selling sub standard products to the marketplace.

[zapass]

like your mumbling here is gonna change anything... sure...
keep wet dreaming kiddies: all you xbaboons, you've been pwned, owned, toasted, fried and you know it, that's why it hurts soooooooo bad.
there's nothing you can do about it...
wo hoohohoho woaha hahahahahahaha!

[Rice]

Thats beef rite there...

[jackdoe]

WTF? Microsoft actually responds to a Gamepro article. Sigh. MS should have just left it alone and let the fanboys to duke it out.

[DarK-SilV]

I don't recall Sony replied to the media when ps3 was lunched, 1 full year with bad news and reviews from the media for its console and games...instead Sony worked so hard to overcome all the problems it had. But MS after almost 2 and 1/2 (rrod sill exists).
MS get used to it (now it's your turn)for the bad news.
sorry for my english if its not clear.

MEGATON SHADOW bubble for you...

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I am sorry to say but wasnt there a little handout mailed to journalists by Sony regarding how to "properly" review games after all the bad scores Lair was getting?

Face it...all companies will attempt PR spin when they feel a significant enough of an audience is listening to something that is possibly damaging.

[ReBurn]

I forgot about Sony jumping into damage control mode because of the Lair reviews. Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of people saying that Sony would never do this.

[caffman]

Sony employees changing wiki so that it bad mouthed Halo 3

[HCS]

and megaton shadow is freaking retarded.......

[trancefreak]

Well this competition is definitely good for all of us gamers it should push these to rivals into overdrive to supply us with what the gamers want. Sony got backlashed for its shoty list of games, pricing, no dualshock and xmb features initially. But they listened to us and they realized they a had some stiff competition this time around. And now its paying off tenfold for sony and their beefy full featured gaming console is looking more appealing. MS has done nothing IMO to resolve hardware failures publicly except to warranty it units for possibly another faulty one. Now that really turns me off. Hopefully they'll get the message And stop ravaging their customers wallets at their expense

[Princess_Pilfer]

they're sounding kinda arrogent to me. Pride comes before the fall

[DarK-SilV]

microshit fun girls get used to it

[Doctor Strange]

This doesn't look good for MS to get so defensive over a opinion piece. Everybody going to have their own opinion to what is better or not and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I don't think he really had to reply to Gamepro's opinion thing but 2008 has a hot year already with stuff like this going on so soon.

[ReBurn]

I agree about achievements and gamerscore. Those things add replay value to games if implemented correctly. I sort of hope that Sony does implement something similar.

[Enzo]

I own both PS3 and 360... well kind of :) I had a 360 once and I sold it for a nice gaming Laptop. The reason for that is because all my favorite 360 games are also available for PC like Halo, Gears Of Wars, Bio Shock, etc... Heck I'd even sell my PS3 if it weren't for Socom and Gran Turismo being exclusive to the system.

Not trying to flame anybody just tellin the truth :)

[cyclindk]

Agree: the fact that Xbox 360 and its games (and controller) support it should be considered over its rivals.

Disagree: achievements, whether they affect the sale of a game, has no place in judging how 'good' or 'bad' a game is. Achievements do not dictate whether or not the game does what it's supposed to unless games are designed only to give you achievements in which case I would kill my self.

[CPTN MITCHELL]

what ms needs to do,is fix the problem call *RROD*'The cold, hard truth' is that Xbox 360 has the best games,the most rrod,worst costumer services - and industry reviewers and consumers agree

[avacadosnorkel]

MS is actually offended by one article by Gamepro.

What a bunch of losers

[caffman]

A sony employee.

Pwned I do believe

[Official General]

Just whats the big deal about this achievements system? Microsoft and their supporters keep going on and on about it, like it's The Holy Grail! I'm not a too much into online gaming yet, and I know achievements will mean alot to all those hardcore gamers out there, but come on man! - it surely is not a very important reason to buy an Xbox 360. Who the f**k has time to sit around in front of the TV screen for endless hours on a game trying to get very high scores and be rewarded with cyber-trophies? Certainly not me thats for sure. I mean I love playing games consoles, but I just aint got time for that meaningless achievement bulls**t......got other things to do when I aint playing my video games!

[Official General]

That Microsoft guy is in no position to be telling us as consumers which machine has the best games and features - we decide that ourselves, he just looks like he's whining and moaning.

[Big Jim]

Official General---you said it. I've always thought achievements were a total waste of time. The only thing that getting a bunch of achievements proves is that you have a lot of time on your hands.

[BWS1982]

I'm a gamer not any fanboy, but this reply by MS is fanboyish drivel, it sounds like he's a snotty nosed middle schooler saying mine's better than yours. Why dignify the article if it's such crap? You don't see Nintendo saying "But we have motion sensing focus in our games" or Sony saying "But we have a BD player built in" whenever some crack journalist does a special on his OPINIONS. C'mon MS.

I think they best spend time spinning the RROD catastrophe, not some literary garbage from Lamepro.

[Prototype]

I buy whats fits my tastes, not what everyone else says or what someone else's opinion is. If I based my gaming on someone elses opinion I would have EVERY overhyped game created and argue why its the best basing my arguments only from the internet and/or magazines.

Seriously how does "achievements" and "online" help make a better game? Before achievements and online there was something called innovation, imagination, and having fun. Now companies make it almost mandatory to apply "extras" we don't really need to enjoy a game.

[moujahed]

Hoenstly, what's the use of Gamerscores, and Achievements??? It doesnt give you anything, but a few extra numbers, and tells people how you didnt full complete a game. SO WHAT!!! Who spends their time, searching through a persons gamer score, and achievements???

I had a 360, i didnt care about that.

Plus I dont know why Sony is trying it out, if Sony puts achievements to a better use, A LA Home... then Gamerscore, and Achievements will have a purpose.

[Kain81]

i dont believe this BS

[Citizen Cook]

IF M$ wins? lol

Don't you mean WHEN?
Its only a matter time. Sony's power in computing is crumbling. They've sold off their cell. Probably won't bother making a PS4. They're losing more money on the PS3 than they're making. But unlike M$, sony haven't got the money to back up their failures.

HA HA HA HA!

[Eric1970]

A sign of a company on their heels is when they start responding to opinions/reviews. This just shows that Microsoft is starting to feel the heat from other consoles, thrid party developers and consumers.

A fact Albert forgets to mention is that the 360 was released a year ahead of the other consoles. An additional year for:

1. developers to learn the hardware
2. marketing
3. XBL content
4. and simply a year more of games, so of course it will have more 90+ scores.

He also doesn't mention that Microsoft rushed the hardware, it still has issues or that XBL is a pay service without dedicated servers. Dedicated servers for games is huge on "the other platform".

Last, when the competition passes Microsoft in total unit sells, what will they say. And remember, when it gets passed, it will be in a years less time.

Microsoft has officially hit panic mode.

[wageslave]

"without dedicated servers"

I *LOVE* that the sony-zealots second-guess the Layer 3 Networking choices made by Microsoft.

Here's a news flash, MS knows VASTLY more about networking than you (or I do). Do you even know what "dedicated server" means? What makes you think they dont have servers "Dedicated"? And what would they be "dedicated" to?

I mean come off it, you picked up some technical-sounding language and now you're going to use it to insult Xbox LIVE? Give it a break.

[Expy]

Pretty funny how Microsoft responded to this article.

[wageslave]

Why not? The article is just a mildly-well-crafted lie.

MS's response was both accurate and totally appropriate.

[LJWooly]

I think you're ok, wageslave, but a lot of the time you seem to see Microsoft in a better light than they deserved to be seen.

Microsoft, replying just made it worse.

[Official General]

It's cool to see you guys agree with me here. The hype with all this achievements system is just is almost laughable. Fair enough, everybody is entitled to what they think is good and useful, and I know hardcore gamers out there like all this acheivement stuff, but some people just need to realise that fact that these are just video games here - they are just GAMES not some important record of REAL LIFE-TIME achievements in the REAL WORLD! I just think it's quite funny and a little pathetic as a gamer to sit down in front of a TV screen for hours on end to compare scores with millions of other gamers worldwide. Do these guys really have nothing better to do once they complete or finish with a game? I suppose for all those who do like the system they may well get satisfaction when die for it will read on their grave headstone:

HARDCORE GAMER b.1980 - d.2050

IN 2008 HE ACHIEVED THE BEST EVER SCORES ONLINE FOR CALL OF DUTY 4, WARHAWK, THE CLUB AND UNREAL TOURNAMENT III.

WHAT A GREAT MAN

MAY HE IS SOUL REST IN PEACE.

LOL, just had to have a dig because it's ridiculous. However if there was money invloved, and I mean relatively generous financial rewards for online gaming achivements then yeah that probably would be an incentive to have this acheievments system. If not then take your cyber-trophies and stick it up your a** MS.

[zoibie]

Does Microsoft feel they need closure on this or something?!?

[littletad]

It was a rubbish article intended to get a response. I agree it was foolish for Microsoft to respond. Let incompetent articles speak for themselves. Gamepro is the one in dire need of attention not Microsoft. It would tick off any business company if some online site virtually said one format is better than the other while using opinions as facts.

[wageslave]

The original article was a shortsighted, cherry-picked troll.

Totally without merit.

And, MS is right.

[harpua]

x-kiddies pwned again......(this is getting too easy)

[t-0_ot-]

sabbath420 - Oh, no, no, no.... no. Don't ever say that.. if you like your bubbles you should never say something like that.. You see you had 15 disagrees.. you know who they all are.. Well.. I believe 7 of those disagrees are Kaz.. but thats just what I think..

PS_Family - "take away all the first person shooters and what you have left?" Just because of your name and saying that statement.. I'm not going to say anything but instead laugh at your stupidity.. hahahahahahaha

zapass - I love how you say "kiddies" but yet your the one name calling like two five year old girls fighting. How mature.

[DarkSniper]

The mere fact that Microsoft needed to issue out a Public Relations statement to justify their console shows as an act of desperation and a sign of weakness. Gamepro simply expressed an opinion. The truthful and correct opinion. Developers understand that PLAYSTATION® 3 is the only console where their dreams can fully be enhanced.

Even worse is that the behavior of Microsoft has had a domino effect on it's own Microslaves. Each Microslave on N4G has shown their virtual tears as they beg and cry for mercy as PLAYSTATION® 3 continues to dominate worldwide sales over 360 on a 2:1 basis.

Red Light 360. The game STOPS here.

$niper

[tk]

Yet another MS hype article... the sudden flood of "positive" XB360 news - all of them appearing today... MS is clearly pushing the PR people now to turn this tide...

Hey... fix the RRoD, try again next gen... this is just making you look desperate...

Fact is - whatever the tick box is that you check to prove that the XB360 is "best" - it is dead last, and will fall behind more this year...

[texism]

It's like the one guy who is trying to impress a girl by telling her how awesome he is. Guess what, if you were really awesome, you wouldn't have to TELL HER that you are awesome. It would be obvious enough.

STFU MS. Really pissing me off a lot these days. "Wah wah wah but u didn't sey we r have ahievements and betur gamez." ugh

[Enzo]

Don't really care much about the Achievement Points or those stupid little prestige symbols on Call Of duty 4. To me it just means that you have plenty of time to waste in your hands.

I mean seriously what do you want me to do with all those cyber throphies, show it off? No thanks! I think most people are content to play the games and have fun with it. However if you're one of those Hardcore gamers thats spends all of your day sitting in front of your TV playing videogames while it's warm and sunny outside... then I guess go ahead and do what you gotta do.

Those pretty little symbols on COD4 are also pointless, it just means that you're more of a loser than anybody else :D I'm happy with my 5 star, why in the hell would I want to start all over again unlocking weapons and perks just to get a special symbol?! Why?! Socom 2 had the BEST ranking system period, because you could be a Captain now and be demoted to a Lieutenant next week based on your performance.

AGREE OR DISAGREE? :D

[littletad]

What would you rather have?

[DarK-SilV]