Mod Stuff: Regarding PewDiePie and Warner Bros. News...

We want news on N4G, but sometimes that news isn't news but is just tabloid articles aimed to spread misinformation or have titles and person-of-interest attachments just for the purpose of making it bigger news. And, today, the PewDiePie incident is one such thing.

Now, you can watch PewDiePie's video, linked in the first comment below, if you want. Note: I don't link it here since it embeds the video automatically and I don't want it to do that as a "promotion" of PewDiePie, this is just a promotion of good journalism.

But, here's what it boils down: People are saying PewDiePie didn't disclose that he was sponsored by WB for his videos relating to playing Shadows of Mordor, but he actually did disclose that information at the bottom of the videos. Furthermore, the people are saying he got paid for a 'good review' of the game. That's the thing, he didn't review it, he just does gameplay of it. People are merely attaching his name to this because he is well known rather than actually going after those who didn't disclose any information about the deal with them and Warner Bros.

What does this mean for N4G? We will be failing any news that places blame on PewDiePie for this action solely because he's a notable name. We will be failing any opinion piece that focuses on PewDiePie in a light that says he didn't disclose his actions in this situation.

This isn't about us liking PewDiePie or anything. This is about our job of not just spreading lies for the sake of hits. We think that if your site was hit with similar claims that were unfounded, you'd want the same level of support from an aggregate site to combat lies being spread about you and your site.

Thank you,
Christopher

[Christopher]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Null1980]

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't take the time to fact check the claims. I wouldn't have been surprised if he did in fact do it, but that's good to hear he disclosed it. I'm not a fan of his, but that doesn't justify misinformation.

[Null1980]

@Gr8b8m8 That's cool. I don't have time to launch my own investigation, nor do I care to. Whatever.

[RegorL]

@Gr8b8m8 watch the new PewDiePies video...

At the time of producing the video he disclosed more than was required as there were no rules...
the rules came later!
PewDiePie is not under investigation!

[Bimkoblerutso]

The sad part is that it is still unethical for a media source to accept bribes (and yes, it was a bribe) from corporations for ANY kind of positive coverage. It sort of just went unnoticed a couple of years ago because a lot of media sources like to camouflage the practice as "sponsoring."

In reality, people are just arguing over whether or not Pewdiepie was asked specifically to (or not to) disclose the fact that he was paid by Warner Bros. The outcry should have come long ago.

[Liqu1d]

@Grb8m8 You're actually the one who's misinformed.

[assdan]

@Gr8B8m8. This happened when disclosing sponsorship on youtube was still in a grey are. WB is at fault for not properly telling youtubers how this should be disclosed, and nowhere in the article does it say that youtubers are being charged with anything.

[DarkOcelet]

I love how people disagree with facts.

I am glad you did this post Christopher.

[DarkOcelet]

@Gr8b8m8

That was in 2014, the FTC didn't release guidelines specifics to Youtube till 2015. So Pewdiepie didn't do anything wrong here. If it was 2015, i would say that he didn't disclose it properly but it wasnt.

Hopefully this clear things up :)

[Zorkaz]

It's really brilliant that you've taken the time to do this. Just boosts my esteem of this site :D

[Zorkaz]

@Gr8b8m8
You need to remember that this was back in 2014, when you didn't have to disclose anything AT ALL. WB didn't require that anybody disclose it. Unlike many MANY other Youtubers, he did in fact disclose it. He's not being investigated either. Even if he had broken the law, investigating him would also mean that they'd have to investigate EVERY SINGLE YOUTUBER INVOLVED. That's a lot of people. I did my research, I had a look at the case, he's not guilty of anything. How about you do more research next time, huh?

[Kleptic]

yeah, I've never even watched him but was well aware that he doesn't make reviews, doesn't do anything related to steering consumer decisions, etc. He did absolutely nothing wrong. WB was under investigation from what I understand, not various youtubers, and even they're clear of any wrong doing simply by noting this as promotion, not deception.

There are lines between ethical and legal matters. This slides safely through both (some youtuber was paid to promote a game in a potentially positive light that ended up doing extremely well critically anyway? No court is going to waste time with that). The biggest aspect remains that he, as a content creator, DOESN'T TRY TO ATTACH OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS on subjective matters...like pretty much the REST OF THE MEDIA IN GAMING. He just makes videos of himself playing various games...and either likes it, or doesn't, and that's it. He gets paid at times by publishers for exactly that...to make videos of himself playing the games...when this occurred, the popularity of these kinds of things was not where it is now...and some of the laws with disclosure where different...but even with today's changes, he still didn't do anything wrong because he still disclosed it.

This entire thing is nothing more than typical internet bandwagon'ing because the guy is very popular, so therefor simultaneously 'hip' to hate.

[badz149]

I've been wondering about the same thing. I think they just paid him to pay the game and say good things about it aka commercials. I don't remember him giving any score for it. I'm not a fan of the guy but "bribe" is a big accusation

[Kleptic]

it wasn't a bribe, or at least not in the legal context of which everyone seems to think they're an expert on...For it to be technically an illegal bribe, it would need to be proven that he disliked the game...then accepted money while flipping his opinion with the intent of deceiving his viewers...The bigger issue is that, with this game specifically, his 'fun' with the game wasn't unwarranted anyway. It received unanimous praise back in 2014 from nearly everyone...so the idea of this being deceptive or fraudulent to his viewer base is out the window...The exchange of money for pewdiepie to simply 'play' the game is in no way dishonest, therefor, in the legal sense...is 100% not a bribe.

[thejigisup]

This is all that matters https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[DragonDDark]

He was on fu**ing south park!?

[DragonDDark]

His reply was pretty good... don't know why he is still accused of this sh*t.

[Liqu1d]

Clicks.

[Nathan_Hale53]

Good video, some of his stuff is either straight annoying or pretty damn funny.

[DLConspiracy]

I agree. The I found article was way off after watching the video in question. Didn't want to get caught in the justice crossfire in the comments for it though.

[TwoForce]

I'm glad he responded this nonsense.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

Thank you. That's what I had been saying the whole yesterday.

[Deep-throat]

How much did he pay?

[Exare]

This is why I love this site.

[iTechHeads]

Are you serious?

[Exare]

I am serious.

These guys are actively combating slander and misinformation. I'm very hurt to see so many people down voting my comment and I honestly am having a hard time understanding why people wouldn't appreciate the sort of thing these guys are doing. I find it quite honorable and feel it helps more than a few people save face. I think they're doing good by PewDiePie and by us by taking action. For that I thank them and have a higher level of appreciation for the staff at N4G for possessing the balls to do something that could stir up so much internet hatefuel, which I too am now experiencing first hand. But still, I think it's a good thing and I stand by my comment.

[ZeroX9876]

@Gr8b8m8

I miss the old bubble system in N4G. stopped people from saying the same thing over and over again. please bring the bubble system back!

[Gazondaily]

Fair enough

[Software_Lover]

Sounds like Lawyer talk, but I agree. I personally wish this stance would be taken with other things but you can't legislate opinions. Good job.

[Christopher]

PM me and I'll consider it if it's possible.

Edit: Also, zero lawyer talk. Just what I think N4G should be doing. I'm not perfect, N4G isn't perfect, but doesn't mean we just give up at every turn. HAVAMedia, the owners of N4G, have not been approached at all nor even know about this decision on this until I posted this blog (if they've read it...).

Edit: 4 hours later, no PMs from anyone :(

Edit 2: ***So are you saying Pewdie Pie is ignorant to the fact that the Youtube app on consoles has no info at all below any videos ?***

I didn't know that stuff, so, yeah, way more than likely. Seems like an issue with Google not showing that information, IMHO. In 2014, they didn't even have the option to flag content as being sponsored or having product placement in it, which they have now.

[KiwiViper85]

I hope they read it

[FamilyGuy]

Stopping the spread of misinformation is always a good thing.
I appreciate this post and hope you continue to do similar things in the future.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

So are you saying Pewdie Pie is ignorant to the fact that the Youtube app on consoles has no info at all below any videos ? I believe Pewdie Pie and WB know that , which to me, makes me believe Pewdie Pie and WB are guilty for not verbally saying in the video that they are working together to promote that game together . So are my facts wrong?

[lociefer]

here's a suggestion : instant ban on sites promoting malinformation and spams, this will make them think twice before posting stuff on n4g

[crazychris4124]

or sites that are loaded with advertisements like thisgengaming or sites with a top 10 list spread across 15 pages like twinfinite

[Muzikguy]

Oh yeah that stuff is annoying. I don't even click on those

[Deadpooled]

THIS. And if possible, sites who post blatant clickbait a initial temporary ban, then if multiple violations a permanent ban.

[Spyroo]

DSOgaming aswell

[lociefer]

omg these are the worst !

[ORyanDeee]

And sites where they spread the article through like 10 pages lol

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

you'd have to ban more than half the sites people post in N4G then, so that's not a good solution at all.

[Muzikguy]

Like gamingbolt YES!

I'm glad for this decision of Christopher's and hope it continues going forward. It's what I was thinking N4G should've been like all along. Lately it just seems that any submitted article, no matter how bad, has been approved

[The 10th Rider]

And there's been numerous articles since the site update that I've reported, and others have, that make the front page without getting taken down. Most recent one in mind was the NSFW Witcher 3 cosplay, which was a duplicate of an article posted almost a month earlier.

[-Foxtrot]

"This is about our job of not just spreading lies for the sake of hits"

Yet you guys let Koktau on here who have been shown to make up shit for the sake of hits

Seems like whiteknighting him in my opinion. I mean if your a fan good for you, your life and all but why make a big deal over just him, surely there's other Youtubers who have done the same, disclosing their sponsorship but are still being called out for it yet you haven't told us not to mention them.

Regardless of disclosing it, it's still coming off kind of fishy if you read into it more.

[Christopher]

If Kotaku makes up stuff, report it. We'll handle it the way we do all other things.

We're not banning sites here, just some current major news.

Just FYI, I hate PewDiePie. So, call me a white knight all you want, you're just projecting your own bias in that regard.

Edit: And, ask around, it's not like I'm not known for reporting a ton of submissions for fake and failing them.

[-Foxtrot]

People have reported Kotaku for years though.

Remember the old site when we had that little rating system where we could rate websites, the one with the "WTF" choice on it. People used to use that all the time for Kotaku after reporting them, another way to say to you guys "Hey this site is shit and something needs to be done about it". Then we find out by another mod, because he let slip, it didn't do anything, in the end it was giving us the illusion we had a role in the site when we didn't. So yeah don't say report it when people do, they've been that way for years...hell even Polygon has gotten bad in some places.

"So, call me a white knight all you want"

I didn't say you were. I said it "seems" like it. Two completely different things. I never once said "Chris you are defending him because you are a total whiteknight" and called you directly. Shouldn't really look into things that hard man.

At the end of the day N4G for years have had hit grabbing Kotaku articles along with other trash put on here and despite reports they get through and become high temperature website hits.

EDIT

LOL disagrees....bunch of two face snakes. I've seen so many people shit on Kotaku whining why they are still allowed on here for bloody years and now that I have the balls to say it I'm wrong. Yeah good one guys. If you want the site to improve grow a spine.

[Christopher]

***People have reported Kotaku for years though. ***

And yet things still exist:

1. People get news from Kotaku
2. People submit content from Kotaku http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...
3. People approve content from Kotaku

I'm not banning a site here, I'm saying the news is wrong and will be failed. If you see something similar with any other site, let me know.

But, I'm not going to outright fail a site merely because a lot of people don't like it. Because once Kotaku's gone, that will only shift to another site, and then another, and another. Until this site is comprised of sites only the majority approves of.

As it is, people submit content, it gets approved, you have the choice to read it or not. If you find it is fake or misleading, let me know.

***I didn't say you were. I said it "seems" like it. ***

Oh, right, yeah... *wink wink nod nod* Totally got your ability to circumvent directly saying it while actually saying it there.

*** N4G for years have had hit grabbing Kotaku articles along with other trash put on here and despite reports ***

Actually not true. You can look at the mass majority of Kotaku pieces, something I've actually done, and they very very very rarely have any reports on them about quality or being false information. What they do have are people complaining in the comments section. No reports, though.

And even then, Kotaku is rarely a hottest news item on N4G as it is.

We're not going to ban a site just because a ton of people don't like it. We'll remove fake/misleading articles. And, if it seems that's all that site promotes, we'll consider banning it. But, we're not just going to ban it because you don't like their content, especially considering how little of their content makes it to N4G.

***yet ignore what people have been saying about Kotaku and sites like them for years***

Yet you provide no proof of them spreading lies for hits on N4G in any recent time period. You make a claim but do nothing to back it up. As I said, if you see it, report it and let me know. But, as it is, it really is coming off as you not liking Kotaku, and not much else. It's not like I haven't failed Kotaku news or that so much news out of Kotaku is lies that we should ban them.

And why is anyone "up in arms" about promoting good journalism? The only person I see up in arms here is you, to be honest, which is why my comments are directly moreso at you and not 'others'.

***You are white knighting for him. He disclosed info ILLEGALLY. People are not making up information. What he did, he is not allowed to do. He did not follow the rules, hence his investigation.***
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No, I'm not. And, technically, no, he didn't do anything illegal at the time. There were no rules specific to such things from the FTC until 2015 nor did Google's system support a system of flagging content as having product placement or sponsorship status. At that time, disclosure was undefined, and he did disclose it in the description. Something the majority of people on the suit didn't do at all.

Please become better informed rather than spewing misinformation yourself.

[-Foxtrot]

Chris I never said "ban them because I don't like them" I was just making the point why you are so up in arms about coming to PewDiePies defence, making a point about how you hate sites which rely on spreading lies for hits yet ignore what people have been saying about Kotaku and sites like them for years. Jeez. I feel like you literally see something else when replying and reply to that instead.

[rdgneoz3]

***I didn't say you were. I said it "seems" like it. ***

Oh, right, yeah... *wink wink nod nod* Totally got your ability to circumvent directly saying it while actually saying it there. "

Like pew and WB circumventing the console apps not showing any info.

[Wingsfan24]

-Foxtrot,

I really think you don't get it...Kotaku hit baits all the time, but that's what people click on, whether they like it or not. I think your exaggerating your disdain for Kotaku quite a bit. They don't really lie about things like you make them out to be doing, maybe once in a while they post incorrect information and a lot of their stuff is clickbait, but they get traffic from it, and as shitty as it is, why would they stop doing it?

Banning a site because of that is straight up censorship, if you don't like it don't read it. Most of the articles that reach the highest temps here are usually the farthest thing from actual journalism. I know this firsthand, because if I post an article saying anything good or bad (especially bad) about Sony or the PS4, that article gets a high amount of traffic and heat.

If I post an article that's a longform feature, like our Life is Strange interviews we just posted, they don't get jack shit from this site. They're actual articles and not just content designed for hits, and what I would consider good journalism, but they get overlooked for the junk your specifically talking about banning.

You have to look at it from Christopher's point of view here. If he bans Kotaku's stuff, or Gamingbolt, or DSOGaming or any other site people aren't super fond of here, then bye bye N4G basically. If you don't like the content you're seeing, just ignore it and go look for better content. Simple as that, really.

Not attacking you or anything personally, just voicing my opinion here as a longtime user of N4G and a website owner myself.

[Gazondaily]

@Fox

"Yet you guys let Koktau on here who have been shown to make up shit for the sake of hits"

Christopher says:

"Yet you provide no proof of them spreading lies for hits on N4G in any recent time period."

Then you say :

"I feel like you literally see something else when replying and reply to that instead."

Clearly I must be seeing something else too apparently.

Christopher is asking you for recent examples of Kotaku making shit up. I'm genuinely intrigued.

Tbh, I don't really follow the Kotaku thing so don't really care either way but I'm wondering why you're getting so vexed?

"LOL disagrees....bunch of two face snakes."

Lol wtf 😂

[-Foxtrot]

I never mentioned examples because I am no way going to waste my time sifting through all the shit in the past they've done. I know god damn well they have and can remember clear as day people moaning on about them

Best examples I can give was during the GamerGate thing when Kotaku were posting really crappy articles and they were let through.

" but I'm wondering why you're getting so vexed?

Because it's hypocrisy plain and simple. Saying how he dosen't like sites which lie to get hits and yet we've seen so many get through over the years, people calling them out in the article and Kotaku are the main culprits.

Yet a blog post gets made about how sites need to stop lying for hits and it all comes out to support the siltation involving Pewdiepie.

"Tbh, I don't really follow the Kotaku thing so don't really care either way"

Eh?

Then why reply and stir the pot

EDIT

Below

Chris, you guys did that AFTER a week or so Anti GG articles flooded the website. Kotaku, Polygon, the whole Gamers are dead thing were all on here.

I tried to submit an article defending GG and it was removed for not being about gaming...when it bloody was and the anti GG articles got through.

It was only when people complained and spoke to Cat that it was put back up but it was too late and was hidden with all the new news that came in.

You guys did that once all the Anti GG stuff had flooded the site and people were preparing to hit back with defence articles, then suddenly you decided to do it and block any GG articles.

Kind of fishy at the end of the day and it was clear you all had an agenda to it.

Even after you guys put the "no GG articles on N4G" thing into effect, defence articles would be failed straight away while pro GG articles would most likely get through to the main page before being removed. Again...kind of funny don't you think.

[Christopher]

-Foxtrot, the example you gave? It led to this: http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

I think I handled them fairly and equally to this one and your hypocrisy claims are unfounded. Especially considering at that time I had to get permission from Cat to make it happen since I wasn't in charge at that time. But, hey, that's just me.

@above: ***Kind of fishy at the end of the day and it was clear you all had an agenda to it. ***

You are getting real tiring with projecting your own bias. I have no agenda other than keeping this site about video games. The number of things failed on both sides isn't an exact number to me, but I believe you are right it was more on the anti-GG side (and still is). But, guess why the rule was put in place? Because those anti-GG stuff had absolutely zero to do with gaming. Nothing. It was just social issues creating another us vs. them situation that dragged the site down with it as it grew. So, did an opposing view article get failed after the rule was put in place? Yes, as did a lot of anti-GG submissions. Do I agree with Cat putting back up the article she did due to pressure? Not at all. I would have kept it down and with good reason, it had nothing to do with video game news.

You can disagree with me on our GG policies, but to say I have an agenda? How many anti-GG posts do you see here that break the rules that apply to both sides since they were enacted? Do you only think pro-GG things get submitted? Do you think I haven't failed a good number of anti-GG stuff since then?

Please see what is there, not what you want to see in me. But, I believe my plea falls on deaf ears. You've already decided who I am. Much like so many others who only see that they aren't getting what they want, therefore I must be on the "other side" of some topic I've decided to just not involve myself in.

[rainslacker]

Kotaku reports with a bias, but they rarely lie. Sometimes over exaggerate or misconstrue, but only really on social issues they've decided to press their opinion on, or occasionally the impact of console war topics. Gamergate and more specifically SJW stuff, they could have been implicated in doing so, but the mods took care of a lot of that kind of news a while ago, and it kind of worked itself out.

I for one would be pleased if N4G would remove any article that misrepresents or outright lies(with or without knowledge) the specific facts of a situation. Opinion pieces are one thing, as they aren't reporting facts, rather stating people's interpretation or beliefs of the facts and views on different topics, but actual news articles should be held to higher standards. To my knowledge, there is a way to report such a thing, and I have seen articles failed for such practices, or things that are misrepresented at least get a update from the mods to clarify things in the description.

Some of the users commenting are typically more than enough for the misinformation and lies than we need, and I don't see why we need to have the articles themselves do it because they tend to be more authoritative in their credibility than they sometimes should be.

Not to be all critical, and bring a bit of positivity, and off topic from what you state

Chris, I do notice the marked increase of the flagging of trolling comments in the past few weeks, and I for one appreciate that the mods are doing that more again, since it seemed like almost all the mods were absent after the update for a while there, but the trolls were certainly having a grand ol' time.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

they lie

https://www.google.com/sear...

[rainslacker]

OK, and going through the first couple pages of that google search, half the articles are about how misinformation spreads, a piece which this blog is partially trying to stop, others are tweets from individuals over at Kotaku or about Kotaku, and still others are GG related articles.

Putting in N4G into the search to see what I can find that got posted here, I can't seem to come across any non-gamergate "news" articles that lied, and were posted on here. Their opinion pieces were posted here some, but a cursory glance at the headline and first paragraph didn't show any actual lies.

I'm talking about news here, not their asinine opinion articles which they're free to have, and much to my chagrin, are valid forms of submissions for this site so long as they fall within the content guidelines laid out for the site.

I'm not one to defend Kotaku, nor do I even want to, and will be the first to call them out for unethical behavior, and really laid into Totillo when he came here to back up his writers in reply to a blog post(my first up bubble vote BTW). But at the same time, when someone makes spurious claims that N4G is allowing Kotaku to use this forum to spread it's lies and misinformation, I do feel it necessary to say that they aren't doing what the OP says they're doing, and ironically, the OP is using the same tactics the article on PDP did to try and discredit him, by making claims that are either untrue, or he can't back up. The only claim of lying he cares to cite was already taken care of.

There are plenty of things that Kotaku does, which can be used to discredit them and try to get them banned from this site without making stuff up, or railing against them based on one's personal beliefs on what is actually happening. Fox is using a lot of hyperbole to try and make his point, but what he's complaining about has already been taken care of indirectly, and his accusations against Kotaku aren't enough to warrant what he's asking for IMO.

Is Kotaku unethical? yes. Do they outright lie on actual news? Probably sometimes given their nature. But GG is the only example I can think of in recent times, and while their implication in GG may be part of it, their pieces were still framed from the point of view of what many people believed. They were poorly researched articles, and IMO biased to get the heat off Kotaku, but the "lies" themselves were more misconstruing or overstating of the facts, and twisting the story to suit their own needs. That was taken care of in the GG ban on N4G, and since, I haven't seen anything other than opinion pieces which obfuscate the facts....with the only one of recent memory being an article by Totillo about Ubisoft and I believe 2K blacklisting their site.

Truth is, the vast majority of their actual news does not lie, and I can't recall any article since GG where N4G posted an actual news article from them where they could be accused of lying about the facts.

[ginganinja]

It's a big deal about PDP because he was the only one named by the FTC in their report. They mentioned others were also at fault but they weren't named.

I'd suggest it was, in part, the FTCs way of warning smaller youtubers about what the rules are by making him and WB an example.

[Gazondaily]

"Then why reply and stir the pot"

I'm not stirring the pot. I'm just wondering why you aren't getting what Christopher is saying?

Kotaku could be lying shitbags for all I know but it would be great if you could post examples of them lying about stuff so then Christopher can take action.

It's an opportunity surely, for you and your fellow Kotaku haters to provide Christopher with the evidence so that he can honour his word.

You hate them so much and now you have an opportunity to merk them off of N4G. You guys should use it.

You say it seems like whiteknighting etc then when Christopher calls you out you say, oh I only said IT SEEMS. Like trying to have your cake and eat it.

It 'SEEMS kind of fishy'.

Just come out and say it man. No sly little comments.

@gangsta below

Yeah deffo. People throw accusations around like anything on here. Bribery, scandals and all sorts but don't actually provide evidence to that effect.

Foxtrot is so pissed off @ Kotaku he should be reeling out examples of Kotaku doing this stuff. Their quality of articles cam definitely leave something to be desired at times but lying and all sorts...that I haven't seen evidence of...yet.

[gangsta_red]

I only recall some people moaning about Kotaku because supposedly they hate Sony, also Polygon being paid by MS and bias against Sony. Unfounded claims, conspiracy theories and other unjustified claims but no proof of anything real.

I would hate for sites to be banned based on people's personal paranoia.

[-Foxtrot]

What? I don't understand what he's saying? What you talking about there's nothing to "get". He's saying it's an issue now because of bloody PewdiePie but it's happened so many times before and nothing has been done. What makes PewdiePie so special, it's such a small thing what he was involved with aswell.

I honestly can't be bothered to waste energy sifting through them, it would take bloody ages and for what? A mod blogpost. I know for a fine fact most on this site know where I'm coming from because they've seen in themselves ages ago and probably still see it today. Especially articles off Patricia Hernandez.

All this "give evidence" stuff was done ages ago and I had to do the same back then...in the end nothing happened. So I'm not going to waste my time again.

What I will post is a user based stuff blogpost on them which I find it worthy to note

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

Go down to the Mod Nate-Dog

"I only joined the staff team a short time ago and wondered this and by chance asked about it just a few days ago when I had a look at how many negative votes compared to positive votes on the site there were from users (I won't say the actual figures, but the difference was massive, even I didn't expect it). There are some sites that the owners of the website (Hava Media) seem to have specific sites set to a 3-star rating which is next to impossible to change with user votes, and Kotaku seems to be one of them."

That was back when we were told to "report the site" and at the end of the day it did nothing.

and since we were talking about GG

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ko...

@Below

"Ant that has what to do with what?"

Are you kidding. Look what you've literally just posed above...a link to the blogpost on GamerGate, I was just showing you how that was kind of "off" aswell.

"Or is that almost 4 year-old blog supposed to represent me?"

Well yeah, it dosen't matter how old it is, you replaced Cat, you didn't replace HAVAmedia did you? You might be a Admin but HAVAmedia pulls the strings. I'm not saying you know or you are in with it but HAVAmedia could have a deal with sites like Kotaku. Why did they set that rating to automatically 3 stars then?

[Christopher]

***He's saying it's an issue now because of bloody PewdiePie but it's happened so many times before and nothing has been done. ***

Not true. I've failed a TON of fake news. You don't see it, that's fine. But, the _only_ reason this was brought up is because of how much news it was garnering. If another big news item comes up, I'll do the same. The exact same way I did with GamerGate.

***I honestly can't be bothered to waste energy sifting through them***

Yet you can be quick to be bothered with calling me a hypocrite. Heck, I've only been in charge of this site for a little less than two years. Since then, when I've had the control, how many times have you seen a Kotaku item pop up that was a lie? Or is that almost 4 year-old blog supposed to represent me?

***and since we were talking about GG ***

And that has what to do with what? I've been nothing but transparent with GG and our policies. What does a random reddit post on it have to do with anything on the subject at hand?

***Are you kidding. Look what you've literally just posed above...a link to the blogpost on GamerGate, I was just showing you how that was kind of "off" aswell. ***

That was _ONLY_ posted to show you how your issue with Kotaku was handled, not to talk about GG stuff. Stay with me here. Don't go off on tangents.

***Well yeah, it dosen't matter how old it is, you replaced Cat, you didn't replace HAVAmedia did you?***

Then why are you arguing against me and calling me a hypocrite? Direct your anger to those with the answers you seek. None of these addresses what you've said about my decision here. I made this decision. I didn't make the older decisions.

***Why did they set that rating to automatically 3 stars then?***

I can't answer that, but I'm fairly certain it had zero to do with a promotion of lies and misinformation made by Kotaku and pretty much everything to do with just getting more hits from a popular site. But, guess what doesn't exist anymore? Site rankings or stars.

[rainslacker]

@gangsta

They've had other complaints lobbed at them. Gamergate being a big one...and were in fact one of the primaries implicated in what started gamergate to begin with.

During that time, they really did spread a lot of misinformation and lies about Gamergate, likely to take the heat off them and discredit the movement...well not likely, most definitely. Beyond that topic(or SJW topics), and covering up some stuff that should have been exposed, I don't recall them really lying about anything....particularly actual news that is probably more relevant to gaming as a whole than GG and SJW topics are.

Many people hate them for their SJW tactics, particularly Leigh Alexander and Totillo, and much of the staff there seems complicit in it. They also have a habit of exaggerating the truth about certain topics, although I haven't been there in so long I can't think of any recent example beyond a blog post about them being blacklisted by a couple publishers...which didn't lie, but did paint Kotaku as a victim. They did admit to what they were accused of doing, but the article itself was more about why what they did wasn't wrong....so not a lie.

Beyond that, I think a lot of people saying they lie, and should fall victim the same thing which brought the PDP article down is based more on their perceived notion that this is a regular thing, and they do it often, and more importantly, they use N4G as a staging ground to get views from such actions. While I wouldn't doubt that they may still have articles that could be considered lies, or fall within the guidelines set forth by this blog post, I haven't seen N4G itself getting those kind of articles. I've noticed a huge decrease in Kotaku articles around here to be honest....although maybe that's because I just don't run across them anymore.

If their lies are so frequent and pronounced, plentiful examples should be available to support their case beyond the GG related stuff...which in itself is bad, but not indicative that they lie about everything....just stuff that makes them look bad.

One's hyperbolic belief isn't actually Kotaku guilty of anything. The lies that Fox implicates them on have already been taken care of through their GG decision....and while I do disagree with N4G's GG decision to this day(had to get that in there), the fact that Kotaku isn't using this forum for what Fox is claiming they're guilty of, means that calling for their complete removal from the site is premature and unwarranted.

[thejigisup]

microwave just beeped, im grabbing the popcorn

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Foxtrot I think you're making a very big misconception here. A lot of us don't LIKE what Kotaku has to say, but most of their shit are opinion pieces. It's not wrong if it's an opinion you disagree with and trust me I REALLY don't like Kotaku.

[GrimmyReaper]

Thank you Christopher for doing this. Many sites would just go with the flow because clicks, but the ones that are honest will have longer lasting users. I personally don't really like PewDiePie but even I can see how this is just wrong to misuse someone's fame for clicks.

[SgtSlaughter212]

Really? This site is generally regarded as a joke/fan boy site because they do just go with the flow to get clicks.

Honestly, I just come to the site to be entertained by the bitchy comments from a bunch of 12 year olds... or 40 year old virgins, same thing.

To think this site has any real credence in the industry is laughable at best.

[CoyoteHunter]

Spot on Sgt. I stopped commenting regularly and submitting articles months ago because of how pathetic this site has become. The mods love to wave the impartiality banner but at the end of the day they love to fan the flames of the fanboy war to generate those extra clicks. It's really quite laughable.

[Ravenor]

This is an aggregate site, they don't actually post any homegrown content.

[qwerty676]

You say all this but what about a lot of n4g submitted articles that are nothing but clickbait "flamewar" inducing garbage pieces?

[Christopher]

Report them? Don't approve them? If they're just "clickbait" let me know?

Otherwise, we walk a fine line between what is legit and what is just fanboy crud. And that line changes depending on where you sit on the fence (or if you're even there).

But, this isn't about what articles you agree with or what type of titles people use. This is specific to spreading lies in journalism. If you see other submissions doing that, let me know.

[DragonDDark]

I've reported lots of articles and lots of them get away with it anyways.

[Vames]

Bear in mind we can never come across all the clickbait articles since this is a website that relies on users to approve and disapprove articles. Every article that is approved by the community should be sent to admins before it hits the front-page. What's the point of having it hit the front-page then removing it after the article accumulated a heat of 500?

N4G can be way better in how it handle things, how biased fanboy mods handle things, but this won't happen until you guys have competition. Without competition, N4G will always be careless and ignorant to the facts.

[rainslacker]

A great many of those come from opinion articles....and gamingbolt interviews. Opinion articles aren't really news, and so long as they have the facts right, they are allowed to have their opinion posted, regardless of if their interpretation of what it all means is something we agree with or not.

Would love for the click bait to go away. But realistically, in a console war driven community, it opens the doors for people claiming flame bait for anything that they don't agree with, and that would lead to the mods having to spend an inordinate amount of time seeing if the article actually is flame bait, or just people want to quiet dissenting opinions, and even then, the chance that the mods own opinions would introduce bias is there, and could lead to a community where the mods hold more influence than they should....although I'm not suggesting any impropriety from the mods or that they would do such a thing.

[Shaun2k5]

I was actually very surprised to see that story being the 2nd hottest with such a misleading title - so I approve of it's removal.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Christopher fighting the good fight. Glad some people are still honest.

[gangsta_red]

I agree with this decision. Some are taking the news as something else that never occurred and turning it into a witch burning ceremony.

[rainslacker]

People love to watch a celebrity fall.

[gangsta_red]

People are quick to jump on something with pitchforks and torches. I have too, but when you're wrong you're wrong and in this case the many people jumping on this guy are for the wrong reasons.

I'm no fan of him but it seems pretty clear that he never reviewed the game and gave it a perfect score and he did disclose he was paid by WB to talk about the game.

I see no different than what Sam L Jackson does for Capitol One or any other sport celebrity does in commercials.

[rainslacker]

Absolutely 100% agree.

Not a fan of his. Tried watching his channel, and couldn't get into the premise of Let's Plays, and found him insufferable to listen to for more than a couple minutes. But despite how I feel about him, I'm not going to try and bring him down for something that isn't considered illegal, and given that he disclosed it, I'm not going to try and bring him down for what I consider to be unethical behavior....because he handled it ethically.

Would love to see people moderate their pitchforks and torches for the time it's actually needed, so maybe when we do need something to happen, people may take the community more seriously. As it is, all these kinds of things make it out like the community is some angry mob, because some people fly off the handle, and jump to the most extreme conclusion they have, usually with no more basis for their opinion than a headline.

Don't care for the practice that was employed for WB, and don't care that content providers...and possibly reviewers....are accepting such cash incentives, but if they disclose it, all I can do is shake my head at the practice, and say how I don't approve.

Talking the merits of the core issue is one thing, making libelous statements based on no facts is quite another.

And yes, I think everyone here has at times, some more than others, jumped the gun on their calls for justice.

Console war rhetoric is one thing, but here we're talking about a man's career and reputation, and it's sad that nowadays it's so easy to strip that from someone who doesn't deserve it.

[RashBandicoot]

Well said.

[1nsomniac]

Wow you're as bad as him. What a Disgrace!

[DragonDDark]

Reason?

[yomfweeee]

I'm curious why you decided to make this blog post? Out of all the garbage clickbait posted on this site, why did you make a post about this one?

Hopefully it means you're going to start cleaning up the garbage on this site.

[Christopher]

Clickbait will always be clickbait. But, it doesn't mean it's spreading lies about something, it's just getting attention the wrong way. The reason on this one? Because there's a ton of news about it and all many people are doing is just spreading lies.

If you see something else like this happening, let me know, I'll handle it the same way if it warrants it.

[Miss_Weeboo]

PewDiepie disclosed his arrangement, but not adequately (he's saying he's gonna change that in future videos, so... sort of acknowledge there was something wrong here?) I'm not saying: hey let's hang the guy! Whatever you know (also the "I'm not a reviewer, I'm a performer" argument, it's a little weak...; and finally it's also a poor argument saying, well at least I disclose it on the description, we weren't required to, other youtubers not even did that.
Anyway. I for once feel lucky I was able to read that article... It sort of confirms the feeling I had with all this big youtubers. And I wanna know the other guys names now... and that's news

[Christopher]

In 2014, there were no guidelines/rules on disclosure, but he at least disclosed and isn't involved in this at all. It's other streamers that are. It was in 2015 that they changed how things needed to be disclosed and he has since updated the practice to abide by those.

As far as YouTubers, I just don't know what to tell you other than I really miss the old days when you looked for something and it popped up as a short, single page where you could get the info immediately rather than 50 videos where the people spend minutes upon minutes talking about random, having nothing to do with what you want, stuff just to pad the videos to being more than 10m long. So, if a person would waste my time on a simple thing with making it a 10m event, I don't see how they wouldn't do almost anything else to grasp at some more of dat monies if a company was willing to throw it their way.

[Miss_Weeboo]

Ok Chris. The information wasn't right, the journalist should have made a better research... I understand why you took it out from the site.
I still don't like Warner Bros (and others I must assume) paying Youtubers to tell people what to buy BUT not forcing them to an adequate disclose (at least for the last 3 years that seemed to be the case) ...
I was a subscriber to PewDiePie (I think I fell for his eyes :) ) not anymore, I'm not convinced by his video.

[rainslacker]

FTC requires paid sponsorship be disclosed in some way in some way in some place, or apparently obvious(in the case of TV commercials). It doesn't necessarily have to be disclosed at the venue it's being broadcast or promoted, but the information has to be publicly available. While PDP disclosed it was paid for, others didn't, because it wasn't stipulated they had to, and it wasn't made publicly available that they were doing this, which is why WB got into hot water. As an aside, I have a feeling that many of the youtubers who didn't disclose the nature of their content probably realized it would likely make them look bad among many.....which in itself should be enough to say they probably knew that what they were doing wasn't really a good thing.

Anyhow, back on topic, I don't know what YouTube's policies are on it, but since it's a US based firm, I'm going to assume it has some stipulation in place that content providers follow FTC rules on at least their US based site, just because the lawyers will think that YT could in some way be held responsible. But I'm speculating, and don't really care to go look it up.

I'm glad you made this blog for two reasons. One, it sets the record straight, and lays out that any "news" such as this has to be properly represented(which I hope happens for anything that's not legit. And two, shows just how quickly people will jump to a conclusion based on an article, and form their opinion on their own bias without any further knowledge of the situation. I think this shows just how authoritative a written article can be for the reader, which I've mentioned many times in the past, and why there needs to be some level of ethicacy within the press to actively not partake in such actions. Hopefully it will make some also think a bit, or at least do more research before making an extreme reaction.....which honestly, we all do at times, or make them not be so quick to trust a source without further verification. Or heck, read past the headline and description if they're going to call for blood.

Anyhow, have nothing against the people who decry the practice as a whole, or even judge PDP by it, but saw a lot of people trying to bring the man down for something he was transparent on, and wasn't in any way illegal. Unethical...maybe, but that's one's personal opinion, and I don't believe the community as a whole has really gone through enough of this kind of potential unethical behavior to really form any kind of consensus opinion by which to openly black list someone who partakes in it. Also think a lot of people were taking the news and applying it to a broad spectrum of the industry, as if this was an extremely common thing, and that the industry as a whole needed to partake in paying for reviews. For the most part, the press kits are more than enough to get a review in the internet age, because reporting is limitless.

Sorry for the extended rant.:)

[S-Word]

So it looks like N4G slipped him some money for something too. They wouldn't have done this about any of the other garbage that gets posted here. Either that or his lawyers slipped N4G some money to be quiet about it.

[Christopher]

Yeah, we totes paid him so we could not have news of him, which would promote him, on N4G... Just look at all those PewDiePie streaming videos of his we host on the site. /s

[Exare]

Burn. Lol

[Germany7]

I'm a huge Pewdiepie fan and a proud member of the brofist army. /s

[DragonDDark]

Brofist /s

[neutralgamer1992]

Thank you publishers have right to pay anyone to get extra exposure for their games. Especially when it's a new ip meaning it needs more exposure than we'll know ip's

[rainslacker]

Publishers have that right. We have the right to not approve of such things. PDP I don't take issue with since he disclosed it, and wasn't doing a review, but the others weren't as transparent.

Issue here is more the misrepresentation of the actual facts involved, and outright lies, and the piece itself was libelous.

[MasterCornholio]

"We want news on N4G, but sometimes that news isn't news but is just tabloid articles aimed to spread misinformation or have titles and person-of-interest attachments just for the purpose of making it bigger news."

The way it should be but there's a fine line between click bait and legit news.

I'm glad that N4G will be more critical about what's posted here. Hopefully we can reduce garbage like this in the future.

P.S Before anyone attacks me for supporting PewDiPie or anything. I don't care about the guy. I just read this blog because it talks about the problem with the article reporting system here. People have to be more careful with what they approve in the future.

In my opinion people who constantly post malicious articles or that approve them should have their posting privileges taken away.

[GregMicek]

Bravo, great move.

[FullmetalRoyale]

It was pretty annoying how, when I saw a story accusing some youtuber of "accepting a bribe for a review" I did about twenty seconds of google searching to see that it was entirely false. Couldn't care less about whether someone likes a guys or not, but I'm glad this is posted here, and I hope to see more of this in the future.

*I mean to say this post setting things straight.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

It wasn't "entirely false". He did take the money but he disclosed it but all the others didn't. The story is about a group of youtubers not just PDP. PDP was at the front on every clickbait article from the Verge to Variety but only because he's the one that is most mainstream.

[FullmetalRoyale]

I saw an article that stated "Pewdiewhatever accepts bribe for game review." He didn't take a bribe, he took a sponsorship(which he disclosed when he didn't have to), and didn't make a review. That's specifically what I am referring to, and it's ridiculous. What I saw was entirely, ENTIRELY false.

[I3loggs24]

@FullmetailRoyale @NotEvenMyFinalForm
A sponsor pays for your expenses if you promote there brand etc.
Being paid to review or play the game becomes a bribe when you dont disclose the arrangement clearly. And the terms of the agreement which was leaked by Angry Joe and Total Biscuits was highly unethical. If Pewdiepie faked his enjoyment of the game, or edited out bugs and glitches etc in his uploads, that is against consumer law. Which is why Pewdiepie was also named in this, while he did a little more then others who promoted the game, his 'disclosure' was in the hidden section of the video description. And that too is not enough as the videos get shared through Facebook etc where viewers wont be able to see any disclosures.

[oakshin]

Who is pewdiepie kids these days ffs

[MaximusPrime_]

I don't know who is this PewDiePew but he's nobody. Should not be allowed on here regardless of the news

[rainslacker]

He's quite well known, and while I don't care about him, he has the most viewed channel on all of YouTube....not just in gaming, but all of YouTube. Let that sink in.

He has more subscribers than any other YouTuber. Youtubes official channel gets 24 million subscribers, PDP has 46 million. Justin Beiber has 22 million subs.

PDP has over 12 BILLION views for his videos. Other sites put other people like Justin Beiber, or some people I've never heard of as 2nd in views and subs, and PDP still outflanks them by at least double on subs, and usually at least one billion on the views.

So, he isn't a nobody. When someone has 12 billion views, and 82 million views in any given month, with a subscriber base of 46 million, they will have influence. Guys like this is why network TV is running scared....because he can get more viewers, and have more influence than they do. That's why WB paid him to do a let's play of their game, because him doing so would reach more people than any other campaign they could come up with. One person can reach more people than the whole collective marketing power of an advertising campaign.

His videos are annoying to me, but he's a pretty nice guy by people that know or have met him. He does stand up for gamer rights when he feels it warranted, and in general, promotes an optimistic view of games and the people that play them. He acts like a 12 year old in his videos, but at least he shows games can be fun.

The man himself started the Let's Play movement, and brought it into the mainstream. That alone makes him somebody.

[2cents]

Thanks Christopher. I did not know the facts and was led to believe he was guilty of nothing much in the grand scheme of thing's, but still... Good to know.

Stay Classy :)

[quent]

Full disclosure: 90% of this site is click bait

[DragonDDark]

Report em

Below:
Yeah I agree. I've seen that happen a lot

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

Most of the time you report something people approve anyway. Most of these websites, particularly the smaller ones, already have a crew in here that approves anything they post. It's pointless.

The only times a story's taken down it's because a mod or something does it. And they only do it with certain topics that seem to bother them a lot.

[fatsodubmo]

I love how you overcompensate and go overboard by stating that you "hate pewdiepie" lol Completely transparent that WB and or PDP has gotten to you.

[madmonkey01]

if you want good journalism on N4G you will have to remove 95% of articles here.
not spreading lies for the sake of hits? get real, so much bullshit gets through here its hard to pick up the truth.

[FantasticBoss]

I'm glad you guys are making an effort to put down news that this. After reading the article and looking at the video, it was obvious the authors didn't really do a good job of understanding the situation.

[DragonKnight]

"We want news on N4G, but sometimes that news isn't news but is just tabloid articles aimed to spread misinformation or have titles and person-of-interest attachments just for the purpose of making it bigger news."

You mean like most of Kotaku's articles that still infest this site? To be fair to you, that's mostly the members fault for submitting the articles, but as this blog shows, you could easily stop it whenever you wanted.

"And, today, the PewDiePie incident is one such thing."

Not really. Minor details about PewDiePie are parroted and not true, but no glaring and malicious untruths. It's a fact that he took money to talk positively about a game. The fact that the FTC was involved points to the fact that a line in the description box of his video is not a clear indication that he's doing sponsored work. Like articles here on N4G, most people read titles and not description boxes.

"this is just a promotion of good journalism."

Not really. For one, Kotaku is sitll here. Secondly, this is clearly just you being annoyed with a topic and making a policy about it. We've seen this happen before, especially with Anita Sarkeesian or Gamergate.

"People are saying PewDiePie didn't disclose that he was sponsored by WB for his videos relating to playing Shadows of Mordor, but he actually did disclose that information at the bottom of the videos."

That fact wasn't enough for the FTC when they admonished Warner Bros. for the whole program, why should it be enough for regular people?

"That's the thing, he didn't review it, he just does gameplay of it."

While endorsing it, while speaking highly of it. A review is more than an article listing qualities with a recommendation, or number, or outright panning. He was paid to play the game and speak positively, influencing millions of people towards purchasing the game. Whatever feelings you may have on whether or not people should listen to him, the fact remains that he has an audience, he took money to talk up a game, and that would impact said game in a manner similar to a review.

"We will be failing any news that places blame on PewDiePie for this action solely because he's a notable name. We will be failing any opinion piece that focuses on PewDiePie in a light that says he didn't disclose his actions in this situation."

Thus showing the inconsistencies in moderation and sending the message that this is just about being annoyed about an opinion. Faulty journalism is bred on N4G. Daily. Rumours, misinformation, console war articles, "Are games too sexist" stuff is here all the time. But because this is about a specific person it warrants action?

I barely submit anything here, my commenting has also gone down, so in the end I don't particularly care too much about your decision, but let's call a spade a spade shall we? Is there misinformation about PewDiePie, yes. Does misinformation happen here on this site on the daily? Yes. So this is basically just about a person more than information.

[LoveSpuds]

This seems fair enough, but if you really want to foster a positive community I reckon bringing some new restrictions on pure flamebait articles would be a great idea. N4G can be a really toxic place at times.

[TheTwelve]

Watch your back, PDP, haters are out to get you!

[PizzaSteve]

Good job Christopher. I can understand the reasons for people not liking PewDiePie but that don't give people the right to make false stories about him. I think a lot of people are jealous of his success. I'm no hardcore fan but I never had a problem with him and he enjoys his job.

[robo36872]

now if we could just do something about all the other clickbait articles that get approved....

[TheGameTagerZ]

You could have said all of this in one sentence by saying "Any meanies who don't think PewDiePie is innocent we're blocking your opinion piece".

At this point why stop there? Why not auto fail clickbait websites (especially the ones that make you click through 20 pages), or the ones that talk about gamers in a bad light? Is this going to set a precedent for opinion articles that you guys don't agree with or what?

[noksucow73]

Good job saving face. Very respectable move. Now back to sony and Microsoft fans bashing each other

[Artemidorus]

I applaude the man, he males money doing what he wants to do. Anyone who is bitter shouldn't be so jealous and do one of two things.

Follow his footsteps and try it out, be quiet and find another way to make money.

[Mithan]

Who cares.

[susanto1228]

when pew puts a tittle up like "Don't play this game" there are some..search youtube...it really does sound like a review in this case a negative review. Spin it all you want he might not put review on his titles but some are just that game review and some are gameplays.

[Francis201]

"We will be failing any news that places blame on PewDiePie for this action solely because he's a notable name. We will be failing any opinion piece that focuses on PewDiePie in a light that says he didn't disclose his actions in this situation."

Serious question: what about news pieces that talk about how PewDiePie's disclosure was not prominent enough to fit FTC guidelines, and is completely invisible when the video is viewed on an embedded screen? We understand that PewDiePie was legally covering himself at the time, but it does not change how low-key he was about how he was being sponsored by Warner Bros. At the end of the day, he did a gameplay vid where he was contractually obligated to avoid portraying the game in a negative light. Writing outright lies about PewDiePie is one thing, but his 'toeing the line' is an interesting topic to talk about - especially since other YouTubers didn't even disclose anything at all.

[GameBoyColor]

Non problem on his part and according to the FTCs release on it, they believe he was fine too and the blame is more on WB and youtubers who did not disclose.
Yeah it was invisible to embedded videos, but those trace back to the original source, where the disclosure is, so he is still in good standing there. Although it may seem shady to some, it really is a non problem on his part and he shouldn't have been a name in this "scandal".

The names of the youtubers who didnt disclose should all be plastered on the wall of shame along with WB though. Add all the sites that tried to use him for clicks to the wall as well.

[yomfweeee]

PDP's video was prior to the FTC's guidelines being released. Did you even watch the video?

[Chexs1990]

You guys go out and make a post and a statement about this, albeit you still allow a ton of other sensationalistic "tabloid"-pieces to be pushed through for clicks? Isn't this kind of what they call bias?

[scark92]

Respect to Pewdiepie for being professional enough to disclose it around other YouTubers are much more shady about this type of situations.

[Theparanerds]

This is exactly what I said in a comment

"I didn't realize he was a gaming journalist...(the point is he's not) he's an entertainer. I'd happily take a bribe
23h ago2 agree0 disagree"

[UnwanteDreamz]

What a bunch of boot lickers. You guys better hope he warns you before he stops or your all going right up his ass.

[leahcim]

Congrats N4G.
My respects. This is the way things must be clariffied.

PD: I really hope to have news of a sequel for this game soon. (It was an amazing game it really blew my mind in terms of gameplay)

[_LarZen_]

Best article I have read here on a long time. Thumbs up N4G!

[darren_poolies]

Very good from N4G, well done.

[DefenderOfDoom2]

I really respect what you are doing Christopher , but there is a loophole in using the YouTube app on consoles . There is no info period about any videos on the YouTube app on consoles below the video!!!!!

[TheBobster10_]

Pewdiepie is overrated. DASHIEGAMES is where it's at! He's genuinely entertaining.

[mixelon]

Great site reaction to this issue Christopher. I wish more sites would have this attitude.

[madmonkey01]

In the four days following this article, the content on this sight that is still here, despite being reported, pretty much porves you are not interested in honest journalism, and have little issue with other sites spreading lies for the sake of hits.