Sony Talks 2010: "Project Natal and Wii are going to have trouble"

John Koller, Director of Hardware Marketing for SCEA, talks to GamePro about the future of the PS3, the growth of the PlayStation Network, and why Sony's motion control gaming will be better than Project Natal and the Wii.

[Delta]

They will only be Chaos!!! in 2010.

[WildArmed]

lol. Thank God Kratos needs no motion controls to kill the Gods of Olympus.

But i still dont like when PR brag.. reminds me of Shane Kim n Aaron Greenburg crap. =/

edit:
oh wait, he says
'... Shooters and sports games... they're areas that quite honestly, I think Project Natal and the Wii are going to have trouble matching, from a differentiation standpoint. We look at motion control as being that much more than what exists on the market. The Holy Grail of gaming is placing you as a consumer into the game physically.'

NVM. No one is bragging.
I've grown a grudge against all PR teams coz of Turn 10/Kim/Greenburg. Those guys really made a mess.

[deadreckoning666]

The Wii...having trouble. lol People said that was gunna happen THIS year. Sony's talking WAYYYY too early.

@Disagree- U HONESTLY believe that the Wands will take significant market share away from the Wii? Keep dreaming.

[we won]

Consumers may have trouble deciding what "wand" they wan't on what console(PS3 or Wii) but when it comes to what Microsoft will be offering consumers will know the only place to get it is with the 360 and many people are waiting for Natal.

It's like saying Wii is in trouble because we have sixasis motion, back in the day. Comparing what Sony and Nintendo has with what Microsoft has is crazy. The masses already know Sony has an HD version of the wiimote and they know the difference between full body motion control/tracking and a HD motion stick.

At least Sony is showing their concern for their very tough battle in 2010 with this pep talk-cheerleading pre-damage control.

Natal will explode. It will be desired by every kid known to man. Old folks will be replacing Wii's in retirement homes, families will be fighting over them at retail. Adults will be getting drunk and High playing Natal or just normal people having get togethers.

Natal could eat away at the Wii's market share pretty rapidly if Microsoft has a killer lineup and market's the Natal device as we all know they will. The Wii revolution will have nothing on this.

[deadreckoning666]

Don't know why people are disagreeing with we won. Natal's launch will be the BIGGEST gaming launch of all time(If M$ prices it right). You don't need to be any kind of fanboy to understand that. Gaming with NO CONTROLLERS, thats gunna be HUGE.

Some people here need to remind themselves that the CASUALS make up the majority of the gaming market, not the hardcore. As of right now, I only own a PS3 but I know for a fact that what M$ has coming a year from now will be BIG.

Edit: Thanks Dragun, I read the article. Were just discussing Sony and M$'s chances of wiping out the Wii.

LMAO, disagrees believe gaming with no controller WON'T be successful. The delusion here is ridiculous. The Wands, due to their accuracy, are EASILY the better choice for the hardcore. But c'mon now? Which one are the casuals gunna cream their pants over, the Wands or Natal? The answer is obvious and M$ will advertise the hell out of it. Reason and logic people, reason and logic.

[Dragun619]

It seems that most of you are not actually reading the article.

He was describing how a wide variety of genres can utilize the PS3 wand where as he states that he thinks that areas such as Family games, shooters and sports are critical to being successful for motion controls.

"Those are going to be the areas that will really define success, because they're areas that quite honestly, I think Project Natal and the Wii are going to have trouble matching, from a differentiation standpoint."

He wasn't bashing or bragging, Gamepro just took one line he said and interpreted as bashing or Flamebait. He was merely stating that Project Natal and the Wii may have trouble delivering these experiences such as Shooters. Its understandable as the PS3 motion control, you can easily build types of shooting games around motion controllers as shown by the Wii. But with Natal, Wouldn't be quite difficult to deliver an FPS experience and such, Seriously, using no controller for a hands free FPS game? How does that work especially for games such as COD or Fighting games such as Street Fighter.

So far there's limited presentation of the Wii vitality sensor and Project Natal, So I'm Not sure if they can really offer good FPS/TPS etc games. I will wait for some games that show how they'll include these motion controls such as Rare's game for Natal, But for now I'll remain skeptical on how they will deliver such experiences.

[WildArmed]

@1.5

No no, please let them continue their highly intellectual debate about Natal n Wii.

They don't need to read the articles, this is a forum, come and post and walk away.

On a side note:
I really dont care about Natal, Wands or the wii things. Never cared about motion controls, I prefer having to use N64/360/ps3/Gamecube controller than any motion control. I'm sure they'll find a market, but I dont see much coming out of it. I've seen nothing that I'd pay $99++ to experience.

[Saaking]

It's good to see Sony finally take the offensive. 2010 is gonna get really interesting.

[we won]

Natal shocked the world. Shocked America. Every major News organization in America Talked about the natal tech for a week after it was revealed. It won E3 according to most if not all the media covering E3. A major research company asking what was peoples favorite thing at E3 and it was Natal by over two times the next favorite thing.

People hate Natal because they know a sh*t load of people that think the Wii was something special will look at Natal and say *Im getting one of those* not to mention non gamers will be buying Natal/360

You have to be out of your mind if you don't think Microsoft will have trouble keeping the 360 on the shelves next shopping season.

[Trebius]

Which is why Natal will be very limited in what it does when it comes to gaming.

But the reason it'll sell is because you'll be able to flip through netflix with a flick of your wrist, or maybe they'll release a web browser with it and let you manipulate the screen with it...

Thats the only way i see Natal succeeding...if it's marketed as not agame, but a motion user interface.

[TheBand1t]

lol, don't even bother with we won guys. It's just Why Dis with a new account.

Frankly I think both Natal and the Sony wand will flop. Both because they are NOT standard issue with the console. The Wii's success was due purely to the fact that it was designed from the start to be motion controlled. Peripherals rarely, if ever, do well at retail because it divides the user base.

Let me put it to you like this. Ask any average schmuck walking around, and I'd be willing to bet no one knows what Natal or the Sony Wand even exist.

[we won]

One more thing before I leave. I bet Microsoft makes Halo Reach compatible with Natal on some level. This will help get the attention of Casuals and the Hardcore alike, never mind the massive marketing and the Natal launch lineup.

2010 will be the year of games and marketing for Microsoft, expect a marketing Campaign in 2010 2nd to none.

I have my own Halo Reach trailer speculation folks missed. The Elite in the end of the trailer hints at Malee combat? Perhaps there will be a mode to fight it with Natal? Just kidding.

[Sunny_D]

Sony shouldn't be this c0cky so early.
Against Natal: Maybe
Against Wii: Hell no

[Dread]

its funny how when the executives at MS say that they are better than the competition, all you sony fantards star complaining about integrity and being humble an so on

but when Sony does it, not a peep from any of u hypocrites.

double standard
double standard

nos surprised, did not expect any better from u anyways.

on point if they think their product is better then say so. this is business period..

[beardpapa]

maybe some people should really click and read the article. Obviously George Sears conveniently "forgot" to put matching after trouble in the headline, causing this whole "bragging" interpretation mess. Talk about selective reading.

[we won]

I like to Laugh at all the disagrees. Don't be mad at me, be made at the millions of consumers/gamers and the American, European and especially the Japanese developers for being excited for Natal. I wonder what Kojima will come up with.

Edit

I don't wan't to get into a pointless debate with hardheaded PS3 fanboys I just wan't to give my opinion on the topic. Your(PS3 fan) input has the worth of a hick's tobacco spit.

[TheBand1t]

I'll say it again. Ask anyone (Namely, anyone in the Wii crowd, "Casuals") what Natal is, and they will respond they haven't the faintest.

Whether you like it or not, the SMC and Natal really can't do much at this point to dethrone the Wii as the console to go to for motion controls.

[SilentNegotiator]

Well, Sony and MS are both taking a risk by adding a peripheral and trying to built a userbase around it. These things usually go bad (With the exception of Guitar Hero).

[Bungie]

$ony should just stop all the talking

last place and being arrogant

[SilentNegotiator]

Are you Xbox fanboys still calling the 2nd fastest selling current console (After the Wii, not including handhelds) with a year disadvantage and higher price and better exclusives (And also has the multiplats) the "Third place console"?

Ha.

[RememberThe357]

Again, you didn't read. I mean come on, the post right above you clarifies his comment. He wasn't saying the system wasn't going to sell. His comment was not based on sales but content quality. He believe that Sony's motion controller will be a better fit for Shooters and sports games. Not that it will sell more units.

And you are grossly over estimating Natal. It's actually kind of funny watching you drool over it.

Who the hell wants to play a video game without a controller? Natal isn't virtual reality; it can't read your mind. You need a physical input device to tell the system what you want to do.

[Sarcasm]

"I think the areas that are going to be really critical to our success will be family games, as well as shooters and sports games. Those are going to be the areas that will really define success, because they're areas that quite honestly, I think Project Natal and the Wii are going to have trouble matching, from a differentiation standpoint."

Taking things out of context there aren't we.

[na2ru1]

Yeah probably as huge as that granny's big loud mouth.....BAH! BAH! BAH!

[Shang-Long]

the comment came off c0cky, but wut i think hes sayin is that neither one can match what it will provide. sony is basicly giving a WII (Gem) n natal (eye toy) combined experience in one

either way i wont get it since i dont like motion control.

[silvacrest]

microsoft better make use that natal is technically accurate, easy to use, reliable etc otherwise all it will be known for is a massive launch......and not much else

[hatchimatchi]

I don't have anything against the 360 but natal is gonna fail. It might rake in tons of money but as a gaming device, it's gonna fail hard.

What can you play without a controller? The paint game, the break out style game, the kid going around playing a motion version of rampage? We all saw how well tony hawk ride did, how accurate do you think a skateboarding game would be without a controller? How accurate would a racing game be without a racing wheel/controller?

For example, Gears of War. Are you gonna be taking cover behind the couch? I can see shooters on natal being like the arcade game 'police 911', anyone remember that? (Youtube it if you don't.) It's a fun game but good lord, moving around and taking cover is a tiring experience. Plus it's just an on rails shooter with full body motion integrated into it.

How are you gonna control your character without a controller? Everything would have to be on rails. It's so mind numbingly stupid to think that natal is gonna deliver worthwhile games.

Also, the whole moving my arms to select something. What's wrong with pressing a button? I guarantee that the press of a button is more accurate than moving your arm in front of a camera to select something.

Bottom line, the majority of the games natal will offer will be dumbed down experiences. I can imagine a really cool guided game that requires you to do motions and whatnot, (a simulator of some kind) but i'm sure those will be few and far in between because it's obvious that MS is just trying to cash in on the gaming crowd that the wii brought in this generation.

I wanna point out too that i feel pretty much the same way about all motion controls. The majority of the games are complete failures, but gaming without a controller is just plain stupid. I'm not being narrow minded, i'm being a realist.

[Consoldtobots]

"its funny how when the executives at MS say that they are better than the competition, all you sony fantards star complaining about integrity and being humble an so on

but when Sony does it, not a peep from any of u hypocrites.

double standard
double standard "

sucks when your favorite corporation and its products have a sh1t reputation huh?

[Lifendz]

but like I said, if I had to chose (and a choice) between MS and Sony motion tech, I'd pick Sony's. Reason being is that I'm an old school guy. I want a controller in my hands when I play a game. If not a controller than a peripheral of some kind. I already have the PS3 eye so I'm sorta on the fence about the motion controller. Probably won't get it at launch as there's too many games dropping next year.

[Montrealien]

So let me get this straight, when Sony has some marketing guy get all c*cky (which I like) its good. But when MS has dome marketing guy being c*cky he gets called out on his arrogance? Many people need to realize the hypocrisy.

/on topic

You go sony, play hard man we want competition between all the big players! But I think its fair to say that Nintendo are not going to have much trouble, they are too far ahead to get in trouble imho.

[BWS1982]

"Increasingly, we're getting a lot of traction on the PS2. It's been a very, very strong year with the PS2, and we're going on our 10th year. It's pretty unprecedented, and we're not looking to slow down anytime soon."

Eventually they're gonna have to pull the plug on that thing.

Anyways, to those naive few saying "When Sony gloats it's okay, but when MS does they should be humble" ...you obviously didn't read the article, and you obviously don't know what tact is, and you obviously quickly forgot the smack-talking that Greenburg is known for. The two guys are NOTHING alike. Or you can't read. Koller didn't thump his chest like a teenaged-quarterback after a touchdown, Koller didn't lie or insult the competition....

Koller specifically said how he felt they'd offer something the competition wouldn't--THE END, he didn't lie, spin numbers, spin facts, insult the competition, he just mentioned the direction Sony would go, he didn't fling his man stuff in the air like Greenburg does and shout "I'm bigger than you!", so drop the spin, it doesn't work on people who read the interview and read Koller's words. If you REALLY read Koller, you'd know him and Greenburg are on opposite sides of the personality spectrum, and Greenburg needs to have a little humility with his french fries.

Seriously, there's "I think we're going to do things the competition isn't going to do" and then there's "The competition is off track, we have the best of everything, we are the best, we are confident that everyone wants a 360 and the competition will crash and burn"....You must have missed Greenburg's loud-mouthed blabbering if you can't recall the tone and demeanor, or you're repressing it.

[callahan09]

I think it's funny when people talk about the PS3 being in "third place" as though that implies it's somehow a failure. Guys, this generation we have three consoles that have ALL already outsold the second-place console of last generation. The PS3 has only been on the market for 3 years in some territories, 2 and a half years in Europe, and it's already outsold the GameCube and the original Xbox's 4+ year numbers by a substantial amount. And by the way, it did so at what are objectively considered very high prices for the majority of its life-to-date (by far the most expensive video game console ever released that didn't flop out at less than 1 million sold). PS3 is a success.

[N4g_null]

About offering something the competition don't ....
Like what? Blue Ray only ps3 owners car about sony's exclusives and the eye crap is not going to make that much of a difference tech wish and in game where it matters.

On top that Sony had 3 years to show us what they could do with just the gyro. Nintendo did just that because of that you may get some ports but the call of duty players of this gen have spoken they don't want pc like controlls they want xbox controllers as the first prefference and then ps3 dual shock sixaxis.

Then their is the cherry on top what makes you think they can make fun motion controls when they have pretty much ignored the sixaxis.

[DaTruth]

"its funny how when the executives at MS say that they are better than the competition, all you sony fantards star complaining about integrity and being humble an so on
but when Sony does it, not a peep from any of u hypocrites.
double standard
double standard "

It's funny how when Ninty puts out a motion controller, it is a stupid gimmick! But "TEH NATAL" will be teh Shiznit!

double standard
double standard

You guys can sit around saying PS3 owners are teh hypocrites all you want with no proof, but 360 owners have really shown their hypocrisy by getting so excited over motion controls while PS3 owners are saying "show me good motion cotrol games and I will be excited"! You 360 fanboys a sad lot!

[Eamon]

lol, all of you are a bunch of immature retards.

Still fighting over "My console is better then yours!!" "No mine is!!"

And the idiot above me is counter accusing people of being hypocrites after being told a hypocrite himeself.

You fools take games more serious than your mothers. And I bet most of you are over 25s still living in your parents' attics.

Most of you probably share resemblence to this fool: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Oner]

@ DaTruth ~ "It's funny how when Ninty puts out a motion controller, it is a stupid gimmick! But "TEH NATAL" will be teh Shiznit!

double standard
double standard

You guys can sit around saying PS3 owners are teh hypocrites all you want with no proof, but 360 owners have really shown their hypocrisy by getting so excited over motion controls while PS3 owners are saying "show me good motion cotrol games and I will be excited"!"

+1 ~ Exactly. But you forgot to add how that the PS2 really solidified Motion Controls with the EyeToy LAST GEN and Natal is nothing more than what Sony STARTED. Which just supports your point of how certain types of "gamers" have a double standard and won't admit it (especially one in particular in the open zone).

[Eamon]

Hasn't anyone realised that there is more console wars here than in the Open Zone??

N4G needs to sort this out.

[The Happy Baby]

Eyetoy for PS2 was a joke. If you were dumb enough to take that gimmick seriously, then I pity you.
Say hi to your brother and sis---i mean, mom and dad, for me. :)

"PS3 owners are saying "show me good motion cotrol games and I will be excited"!" ?????????
Ps3 owners got excited over their tech demo, just like 360 owners got excited over theirs.
Hypocrisy. Its everywhere today.

[Hoggy1983]

Whilst I agree with the point that peripherals can divide the user base. Microsoft will probably use the juggernaut that is Halo to help Natal penetrate the market. Its the next best thing Microsoft can do. I'm completely undecided about how big Natal will be. However, the Wii has shown its worth a gamble.

[rockleex]

Please don't make such a stupid mistake like they did with the PSP (only 1 analog). The gaming experience would be HORRIBLE if they don't include an analog stick.

Sony better make sure they include everything the competition has, and MORE. That is the only way the media and everyone else can see and accept what Sony has to offer.

Sure the Gem will be more precise, but everyone will pretend that doesn't matter simply because there's no analog stick.

[talltony]

Trolling in a article about a system he doesnt even own. You are so obviously new to this site, Fvckin amature! You suck at trolling too. No one believes anything you said about this article. All you ever talk about is natal and reaches graphics being better than kz2. lol what a lame a**.

[Christopher]

Good read and kind of everything we know already. Really wish 'journalists' would stop twisting what these guys say to make flamebait titles.

[Oner]

Awww, looks like "The Happy Baby" is crying that people have posted facts that he doesn't agree with...it's okay, that's part of being immature & misinformed.

But what really bothers me that I have to point out is how you speak about the hypocrisy of others yet you are absolutely clueless about your own hypocrisy ~ your own login name is "The Happy Baby" and yet you are making claims of others being children! PLUS your ASSumptions couldn't be anymore wrong. You don't know me, my age nor my experience in gaming. YOU are a hypocrite, THAT is crystal clear & confirmed right here for all to see.

Seriously, if there is anyone who needs to grow up here ~ it's you. You need to look at yourself before you talk BS about others because you don't know how badly you just got put in your place......but I'm not done yet.

See what YOU believe and what is FACTUAL are 2 totally different things. I myself NEVER owned or even liked any EyeToy games (yet you claim as if I did but you can't possibly know that ~ that's a "callback" to your post). But getting to my point, the undeniable FACT here is that Natal does nothing more than what the Eyetoy has done LAST GEN, YEARS AGO.

You can't change that actuality. So while yes, Natal uses newer technology to do what it is intended, it doesn't change that it does what the Eyetoy ALREADY DID for it's games for the most part. No matter what you say or would like to have others believe.

So onto some verifiable facts that will trump your opinion ~

Dr Richard Marks presenting PS2 Eyetoy YEARS AGO that shows quite a few similarities to what Natal is TRYING to do today (or soon) ~ http://stanford-online.stan...

Here are some additional videos showing how Natal does't do anything more than what the EyeToy already has done and show that the inclusion/implementation of a controller was set along time ago as well ~

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Now just add this old video to the mix http://www.youtube.com/watc... and it shows even more capabilities that the PS Eye can do RIGHT NOW....So lets use our imagination for a second ~ this plus the motion control would make a pretty damned good FPS experience with technology Sony has innovated with since 2002 (7 YEARS AGO!).

And here is some newer stuff ~

http://blog.us.playstation....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Dr. Richard Marks talks about new directions in interface design. ~

http://www.gamespy.com/arti...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc... - 1 minute in
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Sony motion control 2005 ~ http://www.joystiq.com/2005...

Sony Hand Controller ~ http://www.unwiredview.com/...

Now go and do some research and get PROPERLY informed before you embarrass yourself further.

My FACTS own your OPINION every time.

[calis]

"You have to be out of your mind if you don't think Microsoft will have trouble keeping the 360 on the shelves next shopping season."

And you are completely bonkers if you think Natal can actually work in mainstream gaming.
It can't.

It cannot work with sports games and it cannot work with driving games. It cannot work with shooting games (unless it is a railshooter).
Physically speaking, people will play it for 5 - 10 minutes before users will tire.

[Raz]

Nowhere did I hear anything about *why* MS and Nintendo should be afraid...very afraid. All I read was a bunch of market-ese and b/s about putting consumers "in the game" being the 'Holy Grail' as though they were on track to developing holo-deck technology.

Blowhards, every one of them, regardless of corporate affiliation.

[The Happy Baby]

easy there kiddo.
does a login name have to do with anything(including your hypocrisy)?

But what really bothers me that I have to point out is how you speak about the hypocrisy of others yet you are absolutely clueless about your own hypocrisy ~ your own login name is "The Happy Baby" and yet you are making claims of others being children!
**how is this hypocrisy again?**

PLUS your ASSumptions couldn't be anymore wrong. You don't know me, my age nor my experience in gaming. YOU are a hypocrite, THAT is crystal clear & confirmed right here for all to see.
**how am I a hypocrite again? you still havent explained that. you see, you could a be a 30 year old virgin for all I care. if your going to act like childish fanboy, then youre no better than any stubborn 5 yr old. making you, a child. but i seriously doubt youre older than 16, otherwise you wouldnt be worried about your age. infact i cant remember saying anything about your age at all. its about 4:30 where i am right now. better hurry and log off, your mom will have dinner ready soon.**

Seriously, if there is anyone who needs to grow up here ~ it's you. You need to look at yourself before you talk BS about others because you don't know how badly you just got put in your place......but I'm not done yet. **but you havent said anything of relevance yet. what am I supposed to learn from you?**

See what YOU believe and what is FACTUAL are 2 totally different things.
**HOLY SHlT, my mind has been blown**

I myself NEVER owned or even liked any EyeToy games (yet you claim as if I did but you can't possibly know that ~ that's a "callback" to your post).***Youre right. I couldnt have possibly have KNOWN FOR SURE that a sony fanboy got excited over the motion control tech demo that was shown at E3--- Lets just call it a hunch.***

But getting to my point, the undeniable FACT here is that Natal does nothing more than what the Eyetoy has done LAST GEN, YEARS AGO. ***Right, which is exactly why its so popular and everyone has one now and loves it so much. Its the a huge part of the gaming world, look out Wii<sarcasm>. EyeToy has a camera, it tracks things. Natal has a camera, it tracks things. But thats like saying a Pinto is as good as a 2010 Mustang b/c noth of them are cars. Sure the Pinto was a nice little niche car back in its day, but it never caught on with the mainstream--- how many Pintos do you see now a days?***

You can't change that actuality.***Did I even try to? Try reading my statements again. read slower, it might help.***

So while yes, Natal uses newer technology to do what it is intended, it doesn't change that it does what the Eyetoy ALREADY DID for it's games for the most part. No matter what you say or would like to have others believe. ***Im not denying that. Never have, never will. Just like the Wii has motion controls, Sony plans on doing the SAME thing---but they plan on revolutionizing motion controls. Eyetoy was great, but Natal plans on revolutionizing and bringing this kind of entertainment to a massive audience---something Eyetoy did not. All those videos of tech demos you have sent are atleast 3 years old. Times have changed my friend. Its almost 2010.***

So onto some verifiable facts that will trump your opinion ~**Which ofcourse, you dont submit any facts. Just tech demos and random clips, the earliest of which is from 3 years ago**

Dr Richard Marks presenting PS2 Eyetoy YEARS AGO that shows quite a few similarities to what Natal is TRYING to do today (or soon)**let me refer you back to my pinto vs mustang example. by the way, how is this a fact?**

Here are some additional videos showing how Natal does't do anything more than what the EyeToy already has done and show that the inclusion/implementation of a controller was set along time ago as well. ***Pinto vs Mustang. both cars drive you from point A to point B, but what would you rather drive? Also not a single video thats recent.***

Now just add this old video to the mix http://www.youtube.com/watc... and it shows even more capabilities that the PS Eye can do RIGHT NOW....So lets use our imagination for a second ~ this plus the motion control would make a pretty damned good FPS experience with technology Sony has innovated with since 2002 (7 YEARS AGO!). ***did you just submit your imagination as a factual reference? LMAO. nuff said***

And here is some newer stuff ~
http://blog.us.playstation....
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
**As in 3 years old, newer? Still not finding the facts your trying to point out**

Now go and do some research and get PROPERLY informed before you embarrass yourself further.
**Sorry, but my imagination is not functioning properly right now. I'll show you some "facts" later. If you idea of research is old youtube tech demos, then you win, hands down---although im not sure what you won, b/c you clearly seem to be arguing a point that only you understand.***

My FACTS own your OPINION every time.
**those facts? still waiting for them.**

Your Friend,

The Happy Baby

[SkyGamer]

I think that people are dismissing the whole you don't need a controller anymore for hard-core games with Natal. I think at least in the beginning that Natal will be an enhanced extra to the controller. Meaning that you will use Natal as an accessory to the controller. (Cover, flank, throw grenade, etc. You can have more options in games for more control.)

[DaTruth]

Guess you know when you're being spoken to! You can tell by the way you're so hurt you have to attack me personally!

Easy to tell you're one of the losers who hated motion controls till "teh Natal".

You can get together with your friends and play with each others motion control wands!

[Motion]

I honestly don't see what the big deal about Natal is. In all seriousness, besides having microsoft hyping it, how is natal any different than eye toy? People like tactile stimulation in their games. I really don't see jumping around and waving your arms really taking off as a control scheme. I highly doubt the tracking will be sensitive enough for precise game controls. Hell, maybe they'll just release a ton of Monkey Ball games... I only see this being incorporated in shovelware games and as a tacked on gimmic on larger name titles.

[Oner]

@ "Happy" I actually don't even have to post anything long to explain a few simple verifiable facts right here above.

You have made comments (assumptions) about me and were wrong. You were proven wrong about me liking things you can't possibly know and about Natal + Eyetoy with links, proof and facts that you "believe" NOT to be truthful when they absolutely are. And you just can't seem to handle that nor comprehend it. Your own fault. Not mine.

I made my point. Proved it clearly for all to see. Deal with it. I have said all that I needed to say and backed it up whether you believe it or not. I will not/don't need to keep repeating myself when all someone has to do is go back up and read.

Remember, it doesn't change what happened here ~ You were put in your place, because you were ultimately wrong. Especially about me.

[The Happy Baby]

@ "Happy" I actually don't even have to post anything long to explain a few simple verifiable facts right here above. ***Listen kiddo, we get that you putting up random & old vids of eyetoy tech demo crap. The question is, why? No one is denying its existence or what it does---so what are you trying to prove is factual??***

You have made comments (assumptions) about me and were wrong. **Yeah but you havent PROVEN me wrong about you. You just say I am. Well, guess what? Im batman. So That makes it true, because you would be wrong to assume im not. See how stupid that sounds. Everyone knows your a kid, with his heart set aflame for sony. No one is faulting you for that. BUT---by no means does that mean you should just spit random crap out of your mouth and claim it to be "factual".**

You were proven wrong about me liking things you can't possibly know and about Natal + Eyetoy with links**LINKS TO WHAT?!?!?!? 3-4 year old youtube videos? I would have to say that eyetoy didnt exist for these to make sense, and as Ive told you before, no one is denying eyetoy exists. Its like your mentally challenged or something.**

proof and facts that you "believe" NOT to be truthful when they absolutely are. And you just can't seem to handle that nor comprehend it. Your own fault. Not mine. **What did I tell you I believed to be false? Like I said before, read my posts slower. It may help you read them better, and comprehend them better.**

I made my point.**Which was? See, you still wont say, because you dont have one.**

Proved it clearly for all to see. Deal with it. I have said all that I needed to say and backed it up whether you believe it or not. I will not/don't need to keep repeating myself when all someone has to do is go back up and read.**Read what? You havent said what you have proven to be true. Everyone knows eyetoy existed. Its like showing videos of the sky and saying "I told you clouds exist! HA! You lose!"**

Remember, it doesn't change what happened here ~ You were put in your place, because you were ultimately wrong. Especially about me. **Sorry kiddo, but for a guy who submits random, and old @ss vids for facts(not to mention his imagination, lol) it seems like you've put yourself in check. Next time you want to submit facts, try asking yourself why your submitting them.**

Sincerely,

The Happy Baby

[Oner]

Just because you don't want to accept what I have posted as facts doesn't mean they aren't. Your opinion, views and guesses do not equate to facts. My links and proof are. No matter what you "believe". You can sit there and try and backtrack but here are a few things that give a nice clear picture of things as they stand ~

Eyetoy is the predecessor to Natal
Eytoy came out last gen
Natal has not shown anything that Eyetoy has already
You don't know me so how can you possibly know things like if I have a brother or sister (when I don't) and imply I live with my parents when I own my own house?
You assumed I took the Eyetoy "gimmick seriously" when I never said I did nor feel that way at all

Shall I go on? I know you will ask me to but I really don't have to. Everything is right here for all to see in black and white. I made my point and I am just repeating myself because you - just - don't - get - it. IF YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND HOW YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM. Educate yourself. Don't make baseless claims and assumptions next time and maybe this could have been avoided.

[Eamon]

@ DaTruth: I will be very very honest with you. You can see Sh1t!
I'm annoyed at how when I want to go to the comments section to see peoples intelligent views and opinions I am bombarded with immature fanboys who do nothing but argue about "which console is better" all day long.

If you think I'm hurt when people say Natal is crap then you seriously need to get out more becaue it obviously shows you have no experience in Life whatsoever.

I couldn't care less if Natal flops but I would be happy if it succeeds. Why wouldn't anyone? It just means there's something cool out there worth playing.

WHAT IS OBVIOUS is that you are obviously hating on Natal because it's being made by Microsoft. If it was Sony making Natal, you would have had a completely alternative opinion. That is fact for most fanboys on this website.

Fortunately, the REAL GAMERS ALWAYS WIN because they have all consoles and enjoy games from both systems. And the fanboys lose.

[The Happy Baby]

Just because you don't want to accept what I have posted as facts doesn't mean they aren't.**No, these are just old @ss videos. If they were facts, you would be able to explain yourself.**

Your opinion, views and guesses do not equate to facts.**But I can explain them. Making them, more so facts, than anything you have said so far. And yet, I have never ONCE claimed anything I have said to be a fact.**

My links and proof are.**Proof of what? WHAT FACTS? Once again, a video of clouds, is just a video of clouds--unless you can explain to me why you've submitted this to me. I never asked for anything, never disputed the eyetoys existence---and yet you send a video ans say "FACTS! RIGHT THERE!"**

No matter what you "believe". You can sit there and try and backtrack but here are a few things that give a nice clear picture of things as they stand ~ **If we backtrack this entire thing over, we'll not only see that you dont have a point---but we'll see that you can even keep up with your own demented logic. DONT MISTAKE LOGIC FOR FACTS**

Eyetoy is the predecessor to Natal**Your point being? Thats like saying Halo 3 is the predecessor to COD:MW2. Yes they are both FPS games, but no they are not the same thing. The basic concept(point and shoot) is the same, but they are clearly different games.**

Eytoy came out last gen**Okay now this is just getting sad. Okay so its last gen---whats your point???**

Natal has not shown anything that Eyetoy has already**Well, nothing except for its actually going to do all the things the crazy eyetoy tech demos showed, and it you will be able to control top-notch games with it---not just 2d BS rhythm games, and half @ss fighting games where you have to show your gigantic body doing half @ss movements. There are alot of ideas floating around for what can be done with Natal. Who knows, maybe it will be forgotten, just like the eyetoy---but i doubt it. MS knows how to hype a product, and everything they have told us about Natal, has people really excited.**

You don't know me so how can you possibly know things like if I have a brother or sister (when I don't) and imply I live with my parents when I own my own house? **Well, like I said, theres no way for me to know for sure. I wouldnt ever ask you to post a video online showing your house and yourself and bills in your name---but it'd prolly be the only way to prove it. But since you havent proven me wrong, then you cant say for a fact, that I am.**

You assumed I took the Eyetoy "gimmick seriously" when I never said I did nor feel that way at all**And yet you keep sending links to videos about it and keep going on and on about it? If you dont care about it, then STFU dude.**

Shall I go on?**With what? Posting random sh*t?**

I know you will ask me to but I really don't have to.**I havent yet. You jst feel the need to reply back saying "proved" something, but cant tell anyone what that "something" is.**

Everything is right here for all to see in black and white.**So you know your colors, that a start**
I made my point and I am just repeating myself because you - just - don't - get - it.**But what is "it"? Like when someone doesnt get a joke, you say "aw you dont get it." but "it" is the joke. thats what they dont get. with you there is no "it". you just say, "aw you dont get it" without telling the joke or explaining anything. like a mumbling, bumbling homeless man, looking for Ninja Squirrels.**
IF YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND HOW YOU WERE PROVEN WRONG THAT IS YOUR OWN PROBLEM.**HAHAHAHAH, you cant explain your point, so if we dont automatically know--then that makes us wrong? lol. you know kid, that works for newborns. They cry, and so we figure out whats wrong. But You keep saying your a big boy. So man up. WHY ARE YOU CRYING? WHAT IS YOUR POINT? HOW ARE YOUR RIGHT? AND WHAT ARE YOU RIGHT ABOUT?**

Educate yourself. ** Believe me kid, im educated beyond your wildest dreams(although you DO have active "imagination" lol). But youre prolly sill in school. Pay attention in class, you might learn something.**

Don't make baseless claims and assumptions next time and maybe this could have been avoided.**And what have I claimed? You dont even know do you? And yes, maybe this could have been avoided--- I hate that I keep embarrassing you. I'd much rather you actually have a point in your rebuttals so this debate would make sense.

Yours Truly,

The Happy Baby

[Oner]

You really don't want to accept it do you? Fine, I will break it down AGAIN very slowly for you from the beginning (even though you won't admit it just as you have shown all this time)

In my original post @ 1.34 I agreed with a point made by DaTruth of how there is a double standard about how certain types of "gamers" hated motion controls (Wii & Eyetoy/PS Eye/PS Wand) and now that Natal was shown to be nothing more than what the Eyetoy did LAST GEN (fact not imagination) they swear it is the best out there. DOUBLE STANDARD ~ My original point 1 is proven...AGAIN

In your post @ 1.36 you claim that "If you were dumb enough to take that gimmick seriously, then I pity you" ~ I never made ANY SUCH CLAIM and disregarded it this whole time. I actually do think that it was a gimmick and thus is why I never bought, played or utilized the Eyetoy for PS2. That is assumption #1 made by you of which I have cleared up ~ point 2 proven...AGAIN

You also go on to say "Say hi to your brother and sis---i mean, mom and dad, for me. :)" condescendingly down to me as if you know who the F@#$ I am or something. When you absolutely positively don't know $#@! about me. Assumption #2 ~ point 3 proven...AGAIN

Now to end your first comment you added "Ps3 owners got excited over their tech demo, just like 360 owners got excited over theirs.
Hypocrisy. Its everywhere today." I agree but to a point that does not include myself. I was simply stating facts about how the Eyetoy STARTED what Natal is TRYING to hype as if they invented the whole thing. They didn't was my point. ~ point 4 proven...AGAIN

You with me so far..hope so but that would be asking to much because the next few parts get pretty tricky and confusing (especially on your part) because you now had to back track and try and cover up putting your foot in your mouth and me putting you in your place with more facts about Eyetoy but more so about myself about things you cannot know (calling back to your MANY assumptions). Anyway you ready after this little break? K, on to the show ~

I am not even going to break down my whole post @ 1.41 because it explains itself in conjunction to what I already said in THIS comment (now 0.4 on this page). But I will go over parts of your 1.44 comment that may have not been brought up, but in all honesty all I see is back tracking of you to try and take your foot out of your mouth. But to the point ~ here you start off with "easy there kiddo" to then come up with this piece of drivel "but i seriously doubt youre older than 16, otherwise you wouldnt be worried about your age. infact i cant remember saying anything about your age at all. its about 4:30 where i am right now. better hurry and log off, your mom will have dinner ready soon." ~ more assumptions again only to harken back to....actually there is nothing more needed to say about that as I have pretty much covered it perfectly about your consistent assumptions ~ point 5 proven...AGAIN

You also went on to say "havent said anything of relevance yet"...REALLY!?!?! Are you that dense? Please. I think I have shown WAAAY more relevance in what I have said about the topic than you with your insults, assumptions, guesses, baseless information, opinionated biased views and so on and so on. ~ point 6 proven...AGAIN

I could really go on and break down EVERYTHING you said, claimed, backtracked and such but I actually don't need to, I really don't even need to bother going on at this point of the game since this is way too easy. But I have to make at least one last point out of one little key line you just said (0.3 this page right above me here) ~

The Happy Baby said -

"MS knows how to hype a product, and everything they have told us about Natal, has people really excited.

But isn't it a gimmick just like Eyetoy "is/was"? Isn't that a bit contradictory to what your opening comment @ 1.36 was about? Maybe a bit double standard-ish? Now wouldn't that be hypocritical? Yep. That's what it is.

"Hypocrisy. Its everywhere today"...You said it yourself and boy did you make a mess in your pants here today "Happy Baby" ~ lmfao

[The Happy Baby]

You really don't want to accept it do you? Fine, I will break it down AGAIN very slowly for you from the beginning (even though you won't admit it just as you have shown all this time)**get to it son**

In my original post @ 1.34 I agreed with a point made by DaTruth of how there is a double standard about how certain types of "gamers" hated motion controls (Wii & Eyetoy/PS Eye/PS Wand) and now that Natal was shown to be nothing more than what the Eyetoy did LAST GEN (fact not imagination) they swear it is the best out there. DOUBLE STANDARD ~ My original point 1 is proven...AGAIN**Once again. Pinto vs Mustang. And all of the sony fanboys hate on the wii, but now that they have motion control, they are all giggly. so honestly what point did you prove? theres is no double standard here, just because people are excited about natal. the pinto was nice, but the mustang is going to be ALOT better.**

In your post @ 1.36 you claim that "If you were dumb enough to take that gimmick seriously, then I pity you" ~ I never made ANY SUCH CLAIM and disregarded it this whole time. I actually do think that it was a gimmick and thus is why I never bought, played or utilized the Eyetoy for PS2. That is assumption #1 made by you of which I have cleared up ~ point 2 proven...AGAIN**it says "IF". so this means IF you did, then I pity you. But IF you didnt, then I dont think your a complete moron. But for someone who did think it was a gimmick---you sure do defend it alot. I used the word IF, but you assumed, that I assumed that you DID take the gimmick seriously. so its was your own assumtions, not mine. sorry kiddo, but you got upset over nothing, and once again---you have no point, b/c you assumed, i didnt.**

You also go on to say "Say hi to your brother and sis---i mean, mom and dad, for me. :)" condescendingly down to me as if you know who the F@#$ I am or something. When you absolutely positively don't know $#@! about me. Assumption #2 ~ point 3 proven...AGAIN **I dont know you, but I know your type. And your that sad, lonely kid who only has friends he meets on the internet, and lives with his parents. you can say im wrong, but ofcourse there is no way to prove it either way.**

Now to end your first comment you added "Ps3 owners got excited over their tech demo, just like 360 owners got excited over theirs.
Hypocrisy. Its everywhere today." I agree but to a point that does not include myself. I was simply stating facts about how the Eyetoy STARTED what Natal is TRYING to hype as if they invented the whole thing. They didn't was my point. ~ point 4 proven...AGAIN **Ok so your the only Ps3 owner who didnt care about motion controls and didnt think they would be superior to motion control on the Wii. That statement doesnt apply to you, but it does to all the other Ps3 fanboys who got a hard-on over their E3 tech demo. Then why so upset? If it doesnt apply to you, and it was directed to the Ps3 owners who got all excited---then STFU. MS isnt claiming to invent the basic idea surrounding Natal, but they know its going to be better than eyetoy, and people are going to be excited for it, so ofcourse they hyped it. its called marketing, genius. Youre Making assumptions about MS, but ofcourse I cant assume anything about you being a lonely nerd? Yeah, youre not a hypocrite. lol.**

You with me so far..hope so but that would be asking to much because the next few parts get pretty tricky and confusing (especially on your part) because you now had to back track and try and cover up putting your foot in your mouth and me putting you in your place with more facts about Eyetoy but more so about myself about things you cannot know (calling back to your MANY assumptions). Anyway you ready after this little break? K, on to the show ~ **you like to stall alot. you keep running in circles, its funny. as if putting in an intermission makes you seem smarter. LMAO**

I am not even going to break down my whole post @ 1.41 because it explains itself in conjunction to what I already said in THIS comment (now 0.4 on this page). But I will go over parts of your 1.44 comment that may have not been brought up, but in all honesty all I see is back tracking of you to try and take your foot out of your mouth. But to the point ~ here you start off with "easy there kiddo" to then come up with this piece of drivel "but i seriously doubt youre older than 16, otherwise you wouldnt be worried about your age. infact i cant remember saying anything about your age at all. its about 4:30 where i am right now. better hurry and log off, your mom will have dinner ready soon." ~ more assumptions again only to harken back to....actually there is nothing more needed to say about that as I have pretty much covered it perfectly about your consistent assumptions ~ point 5 proven...AGAIN**once again, we're talking about whether or not your a lonely nerd. you have owned yourself by posting meaningless(you never explained what you were trying to prove) and old video of crappy eyetoy demos, and submitting your imagination as FACTS. you want me to stop talking about you being a lonely nerd? then stick to the FACTS(what this whole argument was about)---oh wait...i forgot...you dont have any.**

You also went on to say "havent said anything of relevance yet"...REALLY!?!?! Are you that dense? Please. I think I have shown WAAAY more relevance in what I have said about the topic than you with your insults, assumptions, guesses, baseless information, opinionated biased views and so on and so on. ~ point 6 proven...AGAIN ***LIKE WHAT?!?!?!?! Everything you have said, has been shot down. All your crappy vids were old and you never explained why you submitted them. You submitted your imagination as FACT. LMAO--i cant get over that.***

I could really go on and break down EVERYTHING you said, claimed, backtracked and such but I actually don't need to, I really don't even need to bother going on at this point of the game since this is way too easy.** god your stalling methods are sad, your insults arent even insults---you just try to build yourself up to be this awesome person. your so focused on your image---is it that bad being a lonely kid? oh wait, cant say that--i cant prove it. lol. loser. what even sadder is how you still make an effort to give me "disagrees" LMAO.**

But I have to make at least one last point out of one little key line you just said (0.3 this page right above me here) ~ **get to it**

The Happy Baby said -
"MS knows how to hype a product, and everything they have told us about Natal, has people really excited.**yes, i did lol.*

But isn't it a gimmick just like Eyetoy "is/was"?**it might be, havent used it yet, but i have seen it used live on talk shows and it seems to work pretty well. **

Isn't that a bit contradictory to what your opening comment @ 1.36 was about? Maybe a bit double standard-ish? Now wouldn't that be hypocritical? Yep. That's what it is. **HOME is the same thing as Second Life. But people were excited for it, b/c it was going to take that Virtual World concept, and bring it to a whole new level. Natal is going to do the same for that Visual Motion Control concept. If it doesnt deliver, then it will be a gimmick. But from what we are seeing, it looks incredible, and much better than eyetoy, but ofcourse we wont know until we can try it for ourselves. You showed a bunch of tech demos, but MS is bringing Natal to talkshows so people can see first hand how well it will works. Lots Tech blogs and gaming mags/blog have spoken highly of Natal and never once mentioned eyetoy. if it was just like eyetoy---i doubt they would be impressed.**

"Hypocrisy. Its everywhere today"...You said it yourself and boy did you make a mess in your pants here today "Happy Baby" ~ lmfao**HAHAHAHHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHA HA. Youre right, I am the Happy Baby. And you sir, are the lonely nerd. Its okay---i'll be your friend. lol. So thru it all, you never had a point---you just thought you didnt b/c you assumed things without careful reading what I wrote. I think thats how this whole "debate" got started. maybe you should take my advice: read slower. And please, next time you say you have FACTS--try actually having some.**

This was fun for me. Thanks kid.

Your Friend,

The Happy Baby

[Oner]

You really are some sort of stupid aren't you?

Even with PROOF that you were wrong from the start you STILL won't admit it. But here is the coup de grâce which you cannot finagle your way out of, to end this & fully prove you wrong...AGAIN...as usual ~

A pic of my townhouse being built a couple months back & my daily driver
http://img683.imageshack.us...

A video of me playing with some "toys" showing I'm not a child as your numerous assumptions have claimed
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And just for the hell of it a video me racing @ Hunts Point in the Bronx
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

You don't know $#@! about me. You have been wrong this whole time as I have stated many times already but your immaturity (even though I believe you are not a child which really makes it worse) does not allow you to be man enough to own up to it like the adult you SAY you are.

You have attempted to pass off everything I have said as not real or "imaginary" but that is simply denial, (EVERYONE can see it here for themselves) and your childish denial of that does not change a damned thing. You were wrong, were proven wrong, got put in your place and threw a tantrum/started to cry about it. Grow up & deal with it (but we both know you won't).

I have said everything that has been needed to say while giving facts, supported them with substance & proof over your simple minded opinions, bias, misinformation, insults, conjecture and assumptions. That is evidently clear here and it kills you that I'm right and have been right all along.

Now who's the real "kid" here? Not I. But your actions here sure do show a different light about yourself... ;)

[i_am_interested]

SMH at this talk, save it for E3

[SmokingMonkey]

Wii=Motion control but no camera.
360=No motion control but a "great" camera.

PS3=Camera and/plus motion control.

It does everything!

[DaTruth]

And 3D!

"The Holy Grail of gaming is placing you as a consumer into the game physically."

[Golfcoachh]

hmmm, am I missing something here or is the 3d that the 360 can do for avatar different than what sony has been talking about? Not a slap at sony, just a serious question.

[WildArmed]

lol Hutch.
there is a difference between a 2D avatar moving like a 3d object and seeing a 3d Game.
Like watching a 3D movie ya know?
Sony have been working on getting PS3 to run games in 3D. (with those stupid glasses and everything)
The experiences you pay for at Imax right at home. I'm more interested in 3D gaming than motion controls atm.

[ginsunuva]

Not hdmi 3d, which is fake 3d. The ps3 does 3d with sony's special dual-panel 3d tv's, which are true 3d.

[DaTruth]

Camera+Motion controls+3D is different than camera, no motion controls and 3D!

1+1+1=3 > 1+1=2

So yes, you are missing something here, plain as day and in front of your face! Notice the "AND 3D" in reply to the original comment. The reply is when you have a comment slightly right adjusted below another comment!

[Budg3tG4m3r]

I don't like Gamepro the mag is like PSM part 2. I buy PSM to get my Playstation fix, don't need 2. I didn't like EGM ether because they are also like OXM part 2. You read their mag its like PS PS PS PS PS or with EGM its XB XB XB XB XB and they are supposed to be multiplatform. I hate bias in media that try and play the middle.

They can keep these motion controls I need thumbsticks.

[WildArmed]

Um.. but wasn't this an interview of a Sony rep?
I dont read any of those magazines or the sites for that matter.
Just trying to see where your coming from ^^

[Budg3tG4m3r]

Just years of reading game mags off and on. Gamepro tends to be more Pro Sony and EGM was more pro Microsoft. Once you read enough you see patterns and bias. Being biased isn't a bad thing but it is when you claim your not in a published mag. Thats why I don't buy or read Gamepro or EGM anymore. I stick with Game Informer now or PSM and OXM. Sites like N4G, Kotaku, and Joystiq are a bit biased too but they are on the frontlines of game news so you kinda have to deal with it. If you check back issues of Gamepro you see interviews/news/articles like this one alot but with Nintendo and MS are rare. Just like when EGM talked about Bungie and MS all the time and hardly showed any love to Nintendo or Sony at all.

Anyway it has nothing to do with Sony I just don't like Gamepro or EGM, I know hide it well. LOL

[saint_john_paul_ii]

oh, fightin words from Sony. As long as its not a Greenburg Calibur statement, im fine with it.

[tordavis]

If Greenberg made this statement, Sony fans would be up in arms. I don't see that now. Hmmm...double standard maybe?

[Mr_Bun]

The statement was taken out of context...learn to read

[Sheikh Yerbouti]

This is neither spin nor bragging. Nor does this celebrate a victory before the wand is launched. He is just outlining the areas they believe they may have an advantage. It is far from being as presumptious as Microsoft, but not the worse from a Sony spokesperson either.

[Sez]

sure it was taken out of context. and i'm sure the next time Greenburg or anybody from MS makes a statement like this. i could use the same statement too. right or does this only applys to sony? hum

on topic:
at this point sony needs to shut up about the wand and who's going to be in trouble next year. first off sony has a problem supporting add-ons for their consoles. look at the gametap. where you could play 4 players in game. yet only sports games took advantage of it. let also look at the ps eye. how many games support the camera? 2 maybe. thats all.

this guy doesn't have a clue what games natal will support. it may only play party games. they may also make it possible to play older games as well as new games on natal. the ps wand doesn't offer anything different than what the wii has been doing since it was released. and when sony release the wand. most people won't care about it. because it's a wii-mote clone.

plus i rather know for sure what games will support the ps wand. because it may no work for older games. look how the whole trophy issues when sony released them. because dev's didn't want to patch older games. what people on this site should be concern with. is all dev's going to patch their games? how many games will be released for the wand? whats the price of the wand? will it continue to get games for it or will it die and collect dust. like so many other add-ons from sony.

[DaTruth]

No, Greenturd's statements are all exactly in context and they are bashing the competition.

He is literally known for speaking more about Sony than his own company! His statements consist of Sony, Soni, Sone!

[Oner]

@ Tor ~ Wow...for someone in the "field" of gaming journalism you sure as hell have a double standard for just reading a headline and not the whole story to properly comprehend what was meant/said.

Amazing. Seriously. ~ Fail on your part....

[Sez]

NO. what it is. is that sonyfanboys making excuses for sony everytime. so i guess when sony made statements that next gen starts when they say so. they wasn't bashing MS or anyone right. because sony is never arrogant and never says anything to bash others companys. because in your eye everything sony s**ts is the truth.

you guys and your double standards. ps3 does everything including EXCUSES,conspiracy theorys,hypocritcy,and fanboys that can't admitt when they are wrong.

[TheBand1t]

:/

[Ninji]

And to be honest...I don't think it will be able to beat the EyeToy.

[chrisulloa]

Nah, it'll probably outsell the Eyetoy's sales on day 1.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

@ chris ....Your dumb

[Sunny_D]

God, someone as stupid as Chris has to go and talk about sales when Ninji was talking about the gameplay. I guess it shows you have no real reason as to why Natal will be better. Milo? Dodgeball? Lol.

[TheXgamerLive]

Natal is going to revolutionize gaming, even your famous hideo kojima said that.

[TheBand1t]

Natal and the Sony motion controller will flop at retail. Just watch.

[Sunny_D]

So true, I'm not buying any motion controls at all.

[Kevin Butler of Sony]

I actually got to play with sony's motion control and let me tell you, they are a blast. I mean back when i was a kid I use to push a hoop with a stick.

WITH A STICK

[awesomeperson]

B-B-Bu-But

[avengers1978]

Natal is just a upgraded version of the eyetoy, and remeber kentic, that allowed you to do most of what Natal has shown. PS3 motion control "Gem" could add more ways to play games, but really the Wii has already captured a majority of people that would want to play this way. I really don't think sony or microsoft should try and take them on in that department, besides who other than casual gamers use motion control. I'll take a control in hand any day.

[blue7xx7]

Well it will really will come down to who has the best games for their motion control. I think if they have great game then they will suceed Natal and Sony motion control. Hopefully they release good games and not stuff like wii sports maybe a combination of both to please everyone.

[Redgehammer]

I am not that creative visually and even I can see countless potential with Sony and MS's products. In the hands of all the truly talented developers the potential is staggering.

[RockmanII7]

Sony being overly c0cky again
*sigh*
when will they learn, Sony's becoming all bark and no bite.

[Saaking]

I think you're confusing them with MS and more specifically Aaron Greenturd.

[Sunny_D]

I agree that Sony are being arrogant, but it's like the first time Sony are being arrogant in a looong time. However, Microsoft(Everything under this name: TURN 10, GREENBERG, ETC...) are the ones who are very arrogant. They have atleast one arrogant comment to sat every month. When things are not going very well, they tend to hide under a rock for a few months and one little victory or good news: "THAT'S WHY THE 360 IS THE ULTIMATE GAMING ENTERTAINMENT DEVICE!" WTF?

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

I think that you people are confusing arrogance with being optimistic...

It is not the same to say: "the competition will have trouble", to "we have created the definitive racing game".

"will have trouble" seems more like: there will be some competition between us, you're not gonna beat us so easily. "definitive" it is like, this is the best, forget about everything else... Now that's arrogance.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

Oh sh1t...

[TheTruth2009]

Do you finally see how the roles have changed?
Sony is commenting on what the competition is doing?

Hilarious.

They are no longer the Big Dog on the block. They are a wannabe that is terrified for 2010. They have a Motion Control Peripheral that is not only the least desirable of the three, but it's an ATTACHMENT to the Eyetoy. Meaning, if you have an Eyetoy, you STILL have to buy this peripheral to play their Motion Control. Insane.

In addition, Microsoft has already said that they're going to market the hell out of Project Natal. Like it's a new console. And we all KNOW that Microsoft are masters at marketing.

So go ahead Sony.
Talk all you want.
But they're worried.
Their fanbase doesn't even buy highly rated games.
And there NO WAY they'll buy Motion Control.
Their fanbase is too old. And crotchety.

I feel sorry for Sony.
They tried hard. But failed.
It's over.
The beast has been slain.

By Mario and Master Chief.

NO ONE CARES.

[RockmanII7]

"It is not the same to say "we have created the definitive racing game"."

http://i293.photobucket.com...

Right on the box it says "The Real Driving Simulator" (Under Gran Turismo). What is the difference between 'Real' and 'Definitive' again?

[Pirateogta]

LOL, you can tell Sony is shaking in their boots.

In other news, electronics companies wear boots now.

[avengers1978]

Shaking in there boots from what; The fact that there sales have increased, the fact that they have the best games, or the fact that they have all the momentum in the world while microsoft is struggling to regain there's. You should really consider what you are saying before you just type it for the world to see.
Or at least back it up.

[Sony sales Director]

This is very true, i predict very weak sales of natal and very high sales fpr the future of motion control which is the yet un-named but awesome sony motion control.

I cant wait to count the sales for that.

[Mr Bobby Kotick]

Well as long as my next Guitar and dj games sell well on them i dont care regardless,

BTW

I aint a douche :( and i aint the 1.douche for that matter

Frankly i am very hurt that all my fans would do this to me.

[saint_john_paul_ii]

you're a douche.

[silvacrest]

what fans?

[ThaOutKast]

Kotick you silly man, we don't think you are a douche. We think you are Satan.

[whothedog]

I hope its good, I still don't know what is going to happen with analog.

[Mr Bobby Kotick]

Sorry but you are incorrect

Sony have stepped up to the plate this year, with over 2 million sales for MW2 on ps3 already the bonuses i shall recieve will pay for my waiter,maid,chauffer,helicopte r piolot,new cars,Holidays for years to come

So i say thank you sony for those sales , sorry i was a bit rough with you but now im counting the dough and thats all that matters.

[Sunny_D]

Lol, shut up you rich douche! I would be to if I had that much money coming out of my @SS.

[shutupandplay]

Yeah, I`m sure. Until they actually reveal what they have up their sleeve, everything they say is just damage control, because they know 360 is ready to pounce in 2010.

[NoOoB101]

Umm i don't think Sony is shaking in their boots =/
I really don't think either natal or Sonys motion will sell. People bought 360 for halo and gears and MW, not to flap there arms around. same goes to Sonys motion control. I think Sonys motion will pick up faster though compared to natal due to the Wii audience already introduced to it. In the end though, nether will have a big impact due to mainly because people bought ps3 and 360 for hardcore gaming and not for family games like the Wii.

[swiftshot93]

The thing is they need a game that proves how awesome the motion controller is and that it works, in other words they need their own version of Wii Sports. Keep it at a low price with a lot of marketing and I have no doubt they'll be in a very good shape considering they are launching the controller before MS is.

Also, the Wii sucks. Just sayin'

[gamingisnotacrime]

A game that will draw lots of attention would be
RnC with motion control, like the whip they showed at E3... nice

[gamingisnotacrime]

The PS trio is going strong, and the PSN is looking very promising

PS: I favor the PS brand and all, but man is Mass Effect a fun game, i just got it after buying my Elite, phew Mass Effect 2 will be something else, 2 disc FTW lol

[NoOoB101]

I don't think either one will make a big impact. I really don't think a lot of 360 owners are looking forward to it, a lot of them say they are simply because its only on 360 and just being a fanboy. Same goes for sonys. In the end though, when someone comes over there not going to be like hey, lets play some dodge ball with natal!. No they come over and play halo. Natal and Sony motion control will have trouble. I personally think sonys might pick up faster though due to the Wii audience, but the rest of the hardcore gamers don't care for this. most of us want to sit down and play a game like its supposed to be played. If i wanted to go throw something id go outside or would have gotten a Wii.

Also for a good laugh http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Skeeter]

I Dont think any of these new motion controllers are going to add a multitude of customers to any system. So long as Wiis still here, it will continue to rise because it has become a trend. Most people get the wii because they have heard of it from someone else and because of the price.

[SilverSlug]

Natal or PS3 motion sphere, but at least one has announced games and has been shown in a live tech demo to deliver what it promises. The other is shown live and seems laggy; has a ton of made trailers that are not real time.

[Skeeter]

Prove this lag you speak of...Im really curious

[SilverSlug]

I saw it here, via this article:
http://www.siliconera.com/2...

But the Youtube clip was taken down. This was shown the day before TGS, it looked a bit laggy. They still have one year to work it out, but as far as we are concern, its not working as well as other things coming/out on the market.

[i_am_interested]

theres definitely lag for natal, but its more apparent on certain types of game rendering

the type with the least amount of lag are games that only have first person screens where NO characters (or cars and objects) are being rendered on behalf of the player, most notably the burnout paradise demo that theyve shown, all it is is a first person screen that represents the "front' of the car" without having to actually render the car, so theres very little lag

the type with the most amount of lag are the demos where the "game" actually has to render something on screen on behalf of the player, ie the ricochet demo, the camera has to send all this data back and forth of the players image and then the game actually has to take all that data and render it into the game, there is definitely lag with these types of games where something is being rendered on behalf of the player

[fo3]

sonys got a big year comeing up in 2010

[Skeeter]

Exactly. The 360 may have trouble with Natal (which I see as an improved playstation eye) because they may not grab the attention to the hardcore gamers. If MS is trying to capture the family/young audience, then Nintendo will continue to blow the 360 out of the water. With that being said, either consoles motion support will show very little effect to Wii sales. Also I believe the software will be what decides how much each motion system sells. If you capture a wider audience you will sell more.

[Why Dat]

How is Sony shaking in their "boots", when it was all MICROSOFT throwing all the mud slinging around!?

Jeez, you Xbots are so out of control. This is the ONLY thing that Sony even REMOTELY directed at the competition, and it's HARDLY offensive. Microsoft and Aaron Greenburg both said on multiple occasions "fail" and "Sony" together in the same sentence on so many occasions.

Sony doesn't need to be a sleaze and resort to underhanded tactics. So please, GTFO.

[kvg88]

Like so many people on these forums try to hype it up to be. In the end, the standard model controller will win out if for nothing else, accuracy and comfort.

By the end of this gen, I think we will all in some way or another finally see the negative impact of motion controls as the casual market storms and the hardcore (which I would assume most of us forum-lurking fanboys are) market dwindles.

[DJ]

To have both controllers co-exist because they're going to require two very different types of games. In fact, they might as well have a separate Motion Control SKU, or at least push for hybrid setups in major titles.

For example, have Bioshock 2 with standard controls, and an option for the Wand controls as well.

[DJ]

But it's going to require low prices for the controllers (we're talking $30) and LOTS of promotional videos showing just how good the motion sensing is. At E3, the audience was absolutely wowed at the accuracy and responsiveness, two things that Wii and Natal lack, respectively.

[Bigpappy]

Can you really see someone playing a game with the six access and the wand? There is where Natal leads the charge. You can use the 360 controller and still fully use Natal. Shoot and move with the controller, yet do all your kick, punch and elbows with Natal. Natal is the elephant in the room for Sony and I don't see how they will get the wand to sell in the spring when they have not even started to show or even announce any games. Natal already has the media behind it, even in Japan.

[DJ]

With a controller firmly planted in both hands. Natal is going to require Natal-exclusive titles, as well as clever cross-breeds. I know it can recognize someone pretending they have a gun in their hand (for example), but there's two problems.

Natal has to accurately detect the player's hand/body movement, but the player is using their imagination to interact with their onscreen character in many cases. How do you train someone to control what is essentially just thin air?

Having a physical motion controller is the best route.

[kaveti6616]

I noticed how on the last question the interviewer mentioned Playstation 4 but the PR guy either didn't pick up on it or chose not to even talk about it.

I wonder if Sony is going to even make a PS4 or move on to something else.

[Skeeter]

Ohh comon you know that Sony will make another console thats just pure crap your spilling out of your mouth.

[TheBand1t]

I hope it's not called PlayStation 4. I want something more...original.

[kaveti6616]

Watch your tongue, son. I didn't say nothing about you, now show me the same respect or find something better to occupy your time with.

[Bigpappy]

Here is what your marketing director had to say about that: "We've said this a lot, but strong sales really dictate development." It is all about sales. This is the what developer really care about. Awards , great reviews and GOTY only matter if they lead to great SALES.

[SilverSlug]

Where he says Uncharted 2 has been selling really well the last couple of months and inFamous has also.

Yes, ignore that.

[W-k]

yeah well guys dont for get we have see what the wii can do, but we havent see really what natel and the sonys wand can do, lets wait for some games befor we fall in to hype and argue over witch one is better, lets wait for some games first. im not going to buy any of them untill there are some good games to be played.

[Neo604]

ya'll should remember that sony deal with high baller.

even with low sales Sony still pumping best quality in all department.
It'll will come down to 1st class or you choose second class sitting.

[iANONYMOUS]

Oh I see, it feels better than natal and Wii Remote? hohohohohoho

[i_am_interested]

playing with wands >>>> playing with yourself

[jdktech2010]

I'm reading a lot of comments and I'm not gonna read the article because I'm not particularly interested in spending money on either of them at the time....but when MS does this kind of stuff, they're being jerks and evil but it's just sony going on the "offensive" as Saaking said.....talk about a double standard

[devilhunterx]

I am waiting for Mila (the female version of Milo) to come out before I declare Project Natal as failure/success.

[nchizimbi]

It comes down to price, marketing, and the games to complement and compliment these devices.

I have both a PS3 and X360, and I don't intend to invest in either motion device...I prefer my standard PS3 and X360 controllers. But that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of motion devices...though I'm not sold on Project Natal, I look forward to what developers will do with it since it's an interesting concept.

[ironmonkey]

people lets just wait shall wee

[AWBrawler]

It isn't even here yet and he's already claiming it'll kill the Wii. The Wii that has become a household name. The Wii thats selling like water in a desert, The Wii that casuals and hardcore alike get for the 1st party titles, The Wii that already has experience in what the casual likes. So I ask you how do you expect them shift the momentum from that using a cheap rip-off of the wiimote that doesn't even have buttons or the speaker? Tell me you fanrockets don't believe this'll happen. Wii has the casuals and Otakus like me and most nintendo fans locked down. This won't change that, and if you think it will, you're being a fanboy.

Again my avatar, Tenebrae, says it best.... My what fanboyism.

[Odin777]

The guy works for Sony...What the hell do you expect him to say? If he wants to keep his job, he's not going to declare that Sony will probably have their asses handed to them by Nintendo.

And this concept of fanboyism annoys me. It's not even a real word for god's sake...How can you call one a word which doesn't exist? At least use a real word like zealot or someting. (I am being a smartass, I know).

[boss_killa]

i have a feeling both natal and sony's motion controls will flop.

all those wii owners already have their console. i dont see them buying another one.

[Mr Tretton]

The Trey Reich will conquer!!

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Reich? So basically you're comparing the PS3 and its fanbase to the nazis. I'm sure the Xbox/Wii fanboys will have a lot of fun with this.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I actually believe Sony's motion controller will further taint the company as a follower and not a leader. It will be seen as a shallow "me too" effort, despite its superior technology.

The public will respond to this device with mixed feelings, but most will be negative. And I hope the small amount of market share gained is worth the cost in bad press and the damage to their public image.

If I were in charge of Sony I'd dump the project all together and concentrate on the hardcore gamer audience. This year the PS3 had the best library for the hardcore gamer. Games like Demon Souls and Uncharted 2 prove the traditional strength of the awesome playstation brand. Being a follower only makes you look weak and without direction. Stick to your strengths Sony. That's why we love you.

[jack_burt0n]

hardly its cheap technology building upon stuff they INVENTED 9 yrs ago, if a girlfriend can get a fitness game on her boyfriends ps3 she wont get the wii, makes sense, surely you can see that logic!?

Damage to public image lol u have no clue.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I agree to disagree. Like I said, I hope the small amount of market share gained is worth the tainted public image. Its never good to be seen as a follower. Surely you can see that obvious logic.

[robotnik]

There goes the bot pirategoat spinning things around. These bots really love to spin, it's a fact that Sony will deliver like they have been delivering through the years, so please, don't be silly and take a seat kid.

[blu_yu_away]

Wow, a lot of arguing here. To me the most interesting part of the article was this quote talking about games next year. "Going into the back half of the year, we have a number of key launches. We haven't really announced all of them yet, but the titles that will be launching at the time are going to be very exciting. Some of the big franchises, as well as new IPs have new ways to game, not motion control gaming, but in other ways."

[Shnazzyone]

Sony better keep wishing because i've heard of developers on board for natal and wii has had support for their motion controls from day one(not the best but it's getting better). Meanwhile not too many have said much more then they are planning on porting wii games to ps3... and that's just sad.

[Shendow]

Yeah an some have quit working on games for Natal -_- sorry but in the end what Sony's going to bring, Natal got notthing but idea's that sound good but no one knows if it is going to work.

Plus we all know that Sony likes to keep things under wraps to keep Microsoft at guessing if their is going to be something big or not, EyePet is going to be using the wand and cam. Which is pretty awesome an that is going to be a big seller to kids and family's, somethings you don't get on the Wii or 360.

Plus with a adding of 3D gaming on top of this.... Well do the math, the 360 an Wii won't stand a chance, but I do see PS3 and 360 killing the Wii on sells because they both have something better then Wii Plus.

[TheMART]

"We look at motion control as being that much more than what exists on the market."

"Project Natal and Wii are going to have trouble"

Uhm... Because you made an exact clone of the Wiimote (plus) Sony? Yeah sounds and looks really different on what exists on the market. I'll give you a couple of reasons why the 360/Natal and Wii are going to put the PS3 and its nightmare dildo from hell in 3rd position again:

1. People that want a Wiimote, buy a Wii. They don't buy a Wiimote (plus) clone with a strange bulb with light on top that looks like a nightmare dildo from hell. That makes it a non-alternative for the casual audience, we can cut them out of the possible group of buyers, which leaves the smaller group (hardcore) gamers to sell it to;

2. Too bad (hardcore) gamers want a normal controller and no motion controllers... So. There you go, last target group to sell to is gone. No group is left that wants the Wiimote clone;

3. A next thing for the casuals to step into gaming after still having some sort of controller (aka Wiimote) with limited motion controls is having no controller at all, or using the body as a controller. Which is Natal;

4. For Natal EVERY 360 game that is already released can be patched to work with it. Which makes an instant library that can run up to hundreds of games that could be available at launch. No other system had so many games available at the launch of a new controller (like the much simpeler Eyetoy had just a few games);

5. Comparing the EyeTOY to Natal is like comparing a bike to a Ferrari. With the bike you are able to travel, but its by far not having as much possibilities as the Ferrari. EyeTOY is what it says a toy, it doesn't have so much advanced tech. Natal has its own processing unit for all the data, so the 360 doesn't get hit by Natal workload. Natal has 3D cams that can track 48 points in your body and do that for 4 people at the same time. It even calculates how your body is expect to react even if someone is walking in front of the cam while you are playing. And its voicecontroller. Microsoft bought a former militairy company that made new tech cams that is never ever used in a consumer product. The comparing of that eyeTOY to something advanced as Natal is just ignorant and stupid. Yes, I'm looking at you army of droids;

6. Microsoft will position Natal on an affordable pricelevel for excisting users (49 bucks) so many people will step in. It'll be bundled with every 360 sold. They want to get in as many people as possible and their goal is to take marketshare of the mighty Wii. Its most major advantage... Bundled with a new 360 you can play with up to 4 people without the need to buy additional controllers! No other console does this.

7. The Wand nightmare dildo from hell needs 4 x a Wand PLUS a PSeye to work. PSeye on itself already costs 50 bucks. Then 4 x a Wand, which seen the traditional price of controllers around 50, will be no cheaper than 30 bucks. At the cheapest a set to play with 4 people will cost 170 bucks on top of the price of a PS3. AT THE CHEAPEST. If it'll not even exceed 200 bucks even a more insane price level;

8. It already shows that Natal gets more attention of the press, but also from gamedevs. For example Ubisoft has double the games in production for Natal as for the Wand nightmare dildo from hell.

In short: Sony, forget it. If it vibrates, you can always sell the Wand to girls that can't find a hole in the dark. Or sell it in a renamed package called the G@ystation 3 in pink with some Wands, like you made a pink PS2 before, it'll probably sell loads to the droid army. Butthurt droid army confirmed!

[AngryTypingGuy]

"Kaz Hirai stated that Sony is looking for ways to expand the service, hinting that there might be a paid subscription of PSN similar to Xbox Live." -- The Sony spokesperson being interviewed just went on to talk about the growth of PSN...he never denied it becoming a pay service in some sort of way.

I was hoping PSN would catch up to Live and force Live to become free for all...an example of how competition benefits everyone. The sad truth is though that both services requiring a subscription is much more likely. Sony, a CORPORATION, as some of you delirious fanboys seem to forget, at the end of the day wants your money. They see all of the cash that Live is raking in and know they could have something similar.

On a second note, are you PS3 fanboys going to refuse to pay for a live console gaming service, you know, since you constantly put down 360 fans for doing it, or are you going to become a bunch of hypocrites and pay for it? Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what the answer could be.

[trancefreak]

Guess what its still free. There is no price the price you pay is for the stuff you buy. I know you want to justify your live subscription but until sony charges anything guess what its still free.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Transfreak, I am fully aware that it is still free, and I hope it continues to be that way. I would like to get a PS3 somewhere down the road, and it would be nice to not have to pay for another account.

What I'm saying is, the fact that the Sony exec. didn't deny that PSN will be going to a pay format similar to Live is not promising. If it were going to remain free, I think he would've flat out denied it to clear any rumors right then and there. I think one of two things will eventually happen: 1. Either PSN stays free and becomes so popular that Live will be forced to go free, or 2. Sony sees how much money MS is raking in with Live and will want to do the same with PSN.

I think that the second scenario is much more likely, considering how long it takes to make a profit in this industry. Charging for PSN is another means of bringing in money, so I definitely think that they'll charge for it eventually. Not to mention, since MS has been charging for so long, it wouldn't make Sony look worse than the competition. What are angry PSN users going to do, switch to the Wii?

[LesterCorncrake]

maybe its just me but this natal thing seems lame,

call me old fashioned but i wanna sit down and chillout with a pad in my hand when i game, not dance around the front room like a c0ck

[tudors]

Wake me up when standard motion controls are going to stop Natal, it is so state of the art I would not be surprised if some devs use to help create games that may not even use it in the game, there is no way a wand is going to stop Natal.

[tudors]

Do you see 3D as somthing that cannot be done on any other console other than the PS3? fair enough form a hardware standpoint PS3 might do it better, but if you combine Natal with 3D you have a right winner, and I know the 360 can do 3D because I have tested it with Avatar, I do not have a 3D TV but I purchased some Stereophonic (i think that is how you spell it)3D glasses off E-bay and they work a treat, besides I know lots of people who cannot even see 3D because of problems with there eyes, not everyone can see 3D.

[Shendow]

Never said it can't be done, but PS3 is the only system that has said they are going to do it and I know the Wii has a game that uses 3D on it but on PS3 it might be more of the lines work on all games.

Now if that happens that be cool, I know Burnout is already on the list and theirs not to many games on Wii I would say could need 3D but 360 some of the games would be cool. Gears In 3D!!

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

Mart Sony's been working on the this motion controller since 2001 haven't you seen the video of the R&D guys talking about it?

The WiiMote was a rushed product hence why they've recently come out with the Motion+ add-on and AngryTypingGuy, the PSN's main feature which is MP online will stay free because if not then Sony will loose a fan base of 27 million within a week.

The reason why MS is dong so well with the online fees is because they were doing since the start and since the 360 was the first console on the market everyone thought it was the right thing to do and no one knew any better but that's all changing now with moving away from the 360 coming towards the PS3.

[THC CELL]

im sorry but natal is the ps3 eye with a slight upgrade
and from my point of view i think sony will upgrade the eyetoy soon

i hope they upgrade little big planet so u can draw the levels

Mart for the record Sony have been making motion controller since ps2 days

and some of u need to get out to the arcades and http://www.libertygames.co....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[timehippo]

2010 is gonna be interesting

[beardpapa]

"Whether you like it or not, the SMC and Natal really can't do much at this point to dethrone the Wii as the console to go to for motion controls."

You know, I agree with you on this, but your post reminded me of something. There weren't really any "working" games that Sony demonstrated using the SMC. Aside from the RE5 test, that was about it. I would be quite surprised if Sony is really bringing SMC to the hardcore crowd and using it as a supplement (or rather "added" experience) to a high-def hardcore game rather than bringing SMC to the casuals.

Everyone already knows what a Wii is and casuals know exactly what it is. If MS or Sony throw out some demo kiosks like what Nintendo did with their Wii kiosks at the malls, they can convince families, moms, and kids that there are other systems out there catering to casuals. But if they don't, good luck trying to grab some of the casual market since Wii is practically a household name this generation.

[feejo]

Wii trouble, certainly not a RROD.

When you will get a PS3 to sell in old people house, because they want to play Resident evil 5, I will think the wii is in trouble.

Matter of fact casual gamers talk often of the wii. I got a wii, I play bownling. Graphic is hugly, well for them it is so nice graphic, cause they never had a console before.

Also if they can bowling for 200$ they wouldn't bowling for 300$ + the price of the motion controller 60-100$ + a bowling game.

I believe if someone in attracted by the Wii mote, would probably have one before a PS3.

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

Sony fans and their typical double standard. Now it's okay to talk about the other side, right?

[creepjack]

People talking all this crap about Natal failing needs to stop being morons and actually read up on Natal. The whole playing without a controller thing is only one aspect of the thing. You can actually use Natal in conjunction with a standard controller, to give you actions such as, leaning in an FPS without having to use buttons to do the "lean". There is a crap ton of ideas developers can come up with with Natal, and they arent confined to a Wiimote or a Sony Wand.

Look into it. There are FAR more developers developing games for Natal right now as we speak than for the Wand. Sony and Nintendo are the ones that are potentially in trouble, because Natal could easily become the new Wii with proper marketing and great developer support.

[Shendow]

You know the same idea can be done with the PS3 wand right? Because the fact is that it uses the PS Eye. Just wanted to point that out and the fact anything Natal does the PS Eye has already done.

[Bigpappy]

These guys are part robot, part sheep. Natal is not Eyetoy. even Japanese developers make that clear. Natal can be used to enhance any game (used with or without the controller. But, we will see when they come to market. Not as far off as it may seem. E3 will be the big start of the run off.

[Shendow]

I didn't say Eye Toy, shows how much you know about what Sony has made, Eye Toy was good but needed good lighting to even pick things up, PS Eye can pick things up with out even using light or even have the lights on.

So yeah -_- try to know what I'm talking about before saying anything.

[TheMART]

@ nr 14 Ultimate Revenge

"Mart Sony's been working on the this motion controller since 2001 haven't you seen the video of the R&D guys talking about it?"

Well it doesn't matter in the opinion and eyes of the consumers mate. They know the Wiimote as the original that launched first doing that and looking like a stick to wave, they will see the Wand as a clone. So... Even if they started research in 1995 it wouldn't make a difference. Its now a me-too product.

"The WiiMote was a rushed product "

Agreed, but the public eats that sh!t and even pays for fixing it in the form of the Wiimote Plus, so again, doesn't matter.

@ THC

"im sorry but natal is the ps3 eye with a slight upgrade"

You're sorry? Yeah you should for your freakin' droid blindness! How is

- Tracking 48 points in a human body in 3D thats accurate;
- Doing that 48 points tracking for FOUR persons at the same time;
- An own processing unit (thus a small comp actually with its own CPU etc) on board of the cam;
- special tracking cam bought from an Israelian militairy company (they actually bought the company so no others can use this tech);
- several cams + total voice recognition

A slight upgrade? A slight upgrade is the DS3 compared to the DS2, with about only a few motion controls added. This is a major totally different cam than the EyeTOY. If you're too blind to see that, you need glasses and a new brain to be able to understand all the new tech and specs.

[THC CELL]

mart shut up cause u still fail to see a ps3 more powerful than the xbox

natal is a flop
u will look a right pedo talking to a child on the xbox
even the media will go crazy at that

Sony have the upper hand on xbox all the time
you enjoy ya beta games and Funding sony for better exclusive than GTA

sony have xbox in the pocket and there not getting out

6 millon consoles to go mart what i cant wait to celebrate xbox second place in the charts and ff13 and god of war and GT5 are not out yet
Xbox is in deep trouble

[Tesselation 360]

You must be the redundant spe on the cell. You seem confused and dont know what to do lol. You still fail to see that xbox is more powerful then ps3 but then again you are a droid. Sony has xbox in the pocket lol

I heard that sony is gonna start making fans now too with blades that look like ps3 but the fan is controlled from sony hq. When they want sometin spinning they just flick the switch and droids will respond. They also said they might switch them on when sometin about the competion is going to better then they will flick the switch and cool the droids down before they start melting lol. These fans are not gonna stop spinning until a yellow light comes on which tells you the fan has died. You allways have the option of a 120 dollar fix it warranty cards.

[Demon5500]

This is the biggest pile of big d@@K syndrome I have heard this year?
I think sony should check the memo, Natal is not like the wii or there motion control, it is a controller free environment, that picks up a 3d mapped image of you, you only need to purchase the one device "NATAL" and BAM? :)

But this article has a blood lust, for lets hate 360/wii ? SONY are really aiming hi with there style these days:) But I think SONY might get the surprise of this gen next year. Who is taking bets now:)

[Shendow]

Motion control is Motion Control, no matter what you use it is all the same (Got to move to play) and by saying Natal is the samething as what Wii has. Yes an No, Natal is a cam an it picks up more wider space but it does use motion control just like Wii does.

Now as for PS3's Vs Natal, they are both the same in their own ways to, both are using a cam, both have mics, and both can scan items. So in the end they are all pretty the same in their own ways.

That is what I think he was trying to say.

[kewlkat007]

Ready to rumble.............

[LOLatURDUMBAZZ]

GP: Do you think that the high sales of the PS2 are going to keep backwards compatibility off the table for the PS3?

Koller: That's not necessarily the reason, but PS2 sales and the sheer amount of games certainly add to what the PlayStation Nation can experience with PlayStation consoles. There's such a wide variety and diverse lineup of games on PS2 and PS3. For a particular consumer that wants to play all his titles on PS2, and if he's new to the market, he can do so with the 2000 games that are available. With the backwards compatibility issue, we're at a point now in the cycle of the PlayStation 3 that there's so many PS3 games available, so many strong PS3 games, that it's really become far less of an issue than I think a lot people -- particularly the media -- are asking about. In all of our studies, we've noticed that it's fallen off the map in terms of demand. There's not many requests for it much at all anymore. There's really a high level of satisfaction on the PlayStation 3 for PS3 games themselves.

Nuff said..

[Cesar01]

Natal is just a copy of the Eye Toy and everyone knows it ...

I remember that 360 fanboy said that the Xbox 360 Live Vision was better than the PS3 Eye (Hah very funny) so tell me why Natal is not using the Xbox 360 Live Vision?
PS3 Wand will use the PS3 Eye and it says a lot on how much the PS3 surpass the Xbox 360.

Believe it or not it's just a copy of Eye Toy ..

[tudors]

How can you expect people to take your comments seriously, tell you what, when you are playing a scary game that requires these devices be sure to leave the light on because the PS3 eye toy cannot see in the dark.

[tudors]

Thanks dude but the fake Rolex put me off, unless ofcourse by some small chance they are real, there is some ok stuff on the site but what are the shipping costs to the UK?

[divideby0]

motion controls and Natal.....will be like the Wii..niche uses for them..
they will NEVER be used for online competitive gamming....period...
just like our Wii....fun, but its not mainstream and its a party system
sports, fps just dont get it done...

[Dorwrath]

Personally I think they will all flop. I think Sony's will be the bigger though. Sony's games seem to be darker and more grittier than the other consoles and be more adult orientated. It just seems that these novelties are being marketed for the younger gamer.

of course Sony could move into the sex toy industry. Their wand thing would suit it. - joke

[dkgshiz]

Motion controls are stupid and useless. I will never support Motion controls. There no where near as accurate as a mouse or controller. Just paperweights if you ask me. Natal, Sonys wand, the wii mote are all trash if you ask me.

[dkgshiz]

There pretty useless paperweights. I don't see how FPS players will like this crap at all. I mean FPS games are the most popular games this gen. With motion controls its very hard to make a FPS game with motion controls in mind. Hopefully after M$ and Sony release there motion control accessories they will realize motion controls are nothing but paperweight garbage.

[mistergaga X]

has'nt it been like FOREVER sony fanboys are using the words : Wait and you will see ??

See what ? that sony is in 3rd place in this generation ?? !! what a fall from grace since the days Sony ruled the gaming industry ..not anymore I guess

for me,Sony crossed the line when they said : ''The next-gen generation does not start until we say it does ''

that was a huge mistake -very very arroagant and becuase of that Sony lost alot of respect within the gaming industry and fans alike - just ask Cliff Blesinsky what he thinx of that remark - you will never ever see a gears of war game on the Playstation brand -ever !! Valve hates the PS3 and so many other devellopers too, once loyal to sony but not anymore

''wait and you will see'' . I dont know what makes PS3 fanboys so proud as of late. I mean it only took sony 3 long years after PS3's release to start pumping out games and exclusives , while 360 onwners were being spoiled silly by microsoft with its crazy and immense game library since its launch (2005) !!

''wait and you will see'' , wait when MGS4 comes out - it did and it proved that it was'nt a system seller

''wait when Killzone 2 comes out'' - yeah great game and amazing grafix indeed, it still has'nt sold in the millions like Halo 3 did and again proved that it was'nt the system seller sony and its fanboys hoped it would be !

now the sony fanboys are telling us to wait more, becuase they foolishly believe Final Fantasy 13 is going to bring them back to the top again ??? wishful thinking I suppose . FF13 is a niche game and only nerds play that Franchise ! It might sell millions in Japan, but it is only successful IN Japan ! thats the problem , most gamers around the world are NOT japanese !!!! and guess what , the FF franchise is coming to the 360 !! and also the metal gear franchise too !! wtf

''wait and see, God of War 3'' , like Jerry Seinfeld would say : yada yada yada

so not only does Microsoft got the biggest and most selling franchises in this generation (ie Halo, Gears) they will also add franchises that were Sony EXCLUSIVE previously ...

oh sorry I forgot, Sony has got Grand Turismo ... hmmm , still ''waiting'' for the 5th installement of GT5 to come out, while at the same time the Forza Motorsport franchise has taken the lead in the Racing Simulation genre in THIS generation. . .

TheMart Xboxkings is absolutely right when he says Progect natal is going to blow the roof. at under 50 $, its going to sell in the millions ...

one last thing to the PS3 fanboys .. do you know that the 360 console has a much higher pro-ratta of games than the ps3 does ? that means the 360 console has gota higher game attach rate than the ps3. 360 owners buy more games for their console than PS3 owners do for the PS3.

so while, PS3 fanboys are telling us to''wait'' Microfoft are seeling a sh*tloadof software = more games sold for the 360 = more money MS is making for their 3rd part partners = more and more support to Microsoft and the 360 , leaving Sony and the PS3 playing catch-up for a very very loooong time !

and for the record, yes I did purchase PS3 becuase at 300$ Its a blu-ray player that I can play Killzone 2 on

nuff said - peace

[trugamr]

yes they sure did spoil u guys rotten with the R.R.O.D did you thank them for that?

[Yomiro]

I like this video...Bam

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[avengers1978]

Natal did not shock the world, and really it's a glorified eyetoy from the ps2 days. If anyone thinks that Natal or the "gem" is going to help either console sell more units then they are wrong. Wii has basically claimed the market of people who would want to play that way.
The only people who are excitied about Natal are the xbox fans, just like the only people interested in the gem are sony fans.
I'll take a control in hand anyday of the week...
Really I hate the Wii, but it did what it set out to do and that's grab up people who are not gamers(casual)

[mistergaga X]

wait and you will see -ps3 fanboys
has'nt it been like FOREVER sony fanboys are using the words : Wait and you will see ??

See what ? that sony is in 3rd place in this generation ?? !! what a fall from grace since the days Sony ruled the gaming industry ..not anymore I guess

for me,Sony crossed the line when they said : ''The next-gen generation does not start until we say it does ''

that was a huge mistake -very very arroagant and becuase of that Sony lost alot of respect within the gaming industry and fans alike - just ask Cliff Blesinsky what he thinx of that remark - you will never ever see a gears of war game on the Playstation brand -ever !! Valve hates the PS3 and so many other devellopers too, once loyal to sony but not anymore

''wait and you will see'' . I dont know what makes PS3 fanboys so proud as of late. I mean it only took sony 3 long years after PS3's release to start pumping out games and exclusives , while 360 onwners were being spoiled silly by microsoft with its crazy and immense game library since its launch (2005) !!

''wait and you will see'' , wait when MGS4 comes out - it did and it proved that it was'nt a system seller

''wait when Killzone 2 comes out'' - yeah great game and amazing grafix indeed, it still has'nt sold in the millions like Halo 3 did and again proved that it was'nt the system seller sony and its fanboys hoped it would be !

now the sony fanboys are telling us to wait more, becuase they foolishly believe Final Fantasy 13 is going to bring them back to the top again ??? wishful thinking I suppose . FF13 is a niche game and only nerds play that Franchise ! It might sell millions in Japan, but it is only successful IN Japan ! thats the problem , most gamers around the world are NOT japanese !!!! and guess what , the FF franchise is coming to the 360 !! and also the metal gear franchise too !! wtf

''wait and see, God of War 3'' , like Jerry Seinfeld would say : yada yada yada

so not only does Microsoft got the biggest and most selling franchises in this generation (ie Halo, Gears) they will also add franchises that were Sony EXCLUSIVE previously ...

oh sorry I forgot, Sony has got Grand Turismo ... hmmm , still ''waiting'' for the 5th installement of GT5 to come out, while at the same time the Forza Motorsport franchise has taken the lead in the Racing Simulation genre in THIS generation. . .

TheMart Xboxkings is absolutely right when he says Progect natal is going to blow the roof. at under 50 $, its going to sell in the millions ...

one last thing to the PS3 fanboys .. do you know that the 360 console has a much higher pro-ratta of games than the ps3 does ? that means the 360 console has gota higher game attach rate than the ps3. 360 owners buy more games for their console than PS3 owners do for the PS3.

so while, PS3 fanboys are telling us to''wait'' Microfoft are seeling a sh*tloadof software = more games sold for the 360 = more money MS is making for their 3rd part partners = more and more support to Microsoft and the 360 , leaving Sony and the PS3 playing catch-up for a very very loooong time !

and for the record, yes I did purchase PS3 becuase at 300$ Its a blu-ray player that I can play Killzone 2 on

nuff said - peace

[avengers1978]

If it were not for people rebuying 360's after being banned or getting the RRoD then there sales numbers would not be as high as they are. Plus PS3 and 360 are very close in sales, and the 360 was out for over a year longer than the PS3. So even with a year lead and rebuys from a ton of people MS still isn't firmly ahead of Sony, and are in danger of falling behind them.
And really the PS3 was the only "next gen" console to use "next gen" tech...360 used older hardware and it shows with there failure rate, and the fact that games for the 360 pretty muched topped out 2 years ago; while PS3 titles just keep getting better.

[Unknown]

Alot of people are so quick to bash NATAL and I honestly think that they fail to grasp that MS never a) Said that Natal couldn't use a wand and b) Natal wouldn't use a wand in the future. Yes, I know they've trumpeted the fact that there is no need for a wand and this much is true. For the causal demographic there really isn't a need for a wand or more specifically the use of numerous buttons for gaming. Casual gaming is normally simple and straight forward as the name implies. But hardcore games i.e. FPS, Fighting Games, and etc. will need multiple buttons. But guess what...there's still NO need for a wand with NATAL. Why? Because you can just pick up the controller that came WITH the 360 and use that in conjunction with NATAL. 99% of the people on this thread have fail to realize this and it appears that even SONY has. Only time will tell who will be the KOM (KING of Motion) but I think and hope all will do well....just wanted SONY fanboys to not overlook Natal so easily because it might just turn out to be that gigantic leap forward over the eyetoy instead of being simply a slightly upgraded eyetoy as everyone wants to quickly write it off as.

[avengers1978]

Natal and the Gem will flop, fail, suck, etc...
Neither company should be doing this, but money is there to be made.
The Gem(sony's wand) will be out in spring time in 2010, I'm pretty sure Natal is not going to be around until Fall 2010 or early 2011.
Really I don't think either of them will be able to take anything away from the Wii(it's been motion control from the begining)
I wish they would take down the wii, I hate it so much

[GIJeff]

is that it is being released on the 360. maybe on the 720 they would have the processing power to use it AND make decent games. most 360 games already look dated when they come out. This natal processing doesnt come free either. Dont expect ANY good hardcore graphically intense games for this.

[SportsFan]

I would much rather hear about a definitive price plan on the PSN premium package, and if it will effect the original Free online functions. (voice chat, demos, customs options, ect.)

Also, can I get a release window on GT5? These are much more relevant to Sony's future....NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES MOTION PLUS GIMMICK. I am excited about it, but the focus should be on GT5, GOW3, Heavy Rain, and keeping exclusives. (I'm getting worried about Uncharted, and wouldn't blame Naughty Dwag for thinking about going multiplat.....they worked too hard to see un inspired sales of the U2!)

[dkgshiz]

So they cant go multiplat. Either way UC2 is doing fine. Its winning all the GOTY. Why would they have to be focused on games that they produce? Heavy Rain, GOW 3, GT5 all published by Sony. Yeah pretty simple.

[TheBand1t]

Naughty Dog is 1st party. :/ As in, they're owned by Sony.

[Socomer 1979]

Goddam!!! For the loyal Playstation Gamer has many avenues, streets and alleys to play his or her favorite game. If you like videogames, you just cant go wrong with a playstation. way to go sony!

[athmaus]

I am a fan of all consoles out there. However i feel that not having to have a controller/glow stick in my hand is more powerful as well as leaves for a wider variety of games that could contain motion controls.

[MajestieBeast]

When i saw that burnout demo of Natal it just looked like a big truck of fail that got hit by a fail train.

[artsaber]

That Sony sucks and that they will have trouble because of Wii and Natal. But Microsoft's elephant in the room is Natal's price. I find it very scary for them that they flat out REFUSE to talk about that. Given Microsoft's track record on accessory pricing we ALL can honestly say, that it has not been in favor of the consumer.

Could Natal be different? Sure it could. Will Microsoft keep a low and reasonable price point? I am doubtful about that due to their pricing trends / history. But if Sony can produce their wand for the same or less than the Dual Shock 3, that would be good. Or if it was $99, and at least had a bundle of starter games (but the games would need to be hot - no trash).

The other problem I see with Natal is that the core of 360 fans are FPS whores. They are the type of gamers who dislike any control scheme out of the ordinary, etc. If there is any sort of learning curve to Natal, people will simply opt out and use the 360 controller because it is great for FPS type games anyhow... and people are comfortable with it. I will sit back and watch what happens.

I think collectively, Nintendo has made waggle based games a hard sell, because by reputation, 360 and PS3 fans know that 90 percent of them are PURE crap. So unfortunately, while Natal and Sony's wand seem to be intriguing and cool techs, we have witnessed the burn of the Wii's massive library of waggle shovelware. We should check out what Sony and MS has to offer, but do so with caution.

[twintipskis34]

How about we all just wait and see what happens instead of arguing like little school girls?

[Kittenz]

Little school girls can use logic and common sense, therefore no one posting here is anything like little school girls!

[Odreus]

I dont need this stuff, just give me some fun games and I am fine. I prefer to play in a traditional way, good old gamepad.

[GIJeff]

1) Natal had fame on TV ONLY because MS paid for it. It didn't take ANYTHING by storm.

2) I've been gaming without a controller for many years, since the PS2 came out with the eyetoy. Seriously, this is NOT new to me. How many of you have actually played anti-grav? What about kinetic? The ONLY reason people think this crap is new is because of sony's complete failure on the advertising front.

3) The ps3 motion controller has the best opportunity to be awesome because it can be used for "hardcore" and "casual" games. You don't have to dumb it down for the weak input.

4) It's more than likely your whole body will be used with PS3 wand games since its also using the eyetoy. And true sub-millimeter accuracy sounds great.

[Unknown]

It seems that EVERYONE is a professional analyst now. How do you KNOW that something is goign to flop. Yes history is a good indication but sometimes history isn't destined to repeat itself. Things can be different. Given the reaction that MS got when they demoed the game, I felt that people genuinely loved the NATAL. If casual audiences can get a blast outta playing the NATAL then MS will do well. Thats all they need to do. Same with SONY. Its not like they're going to stop making traditional games but they are simply adding another dimension to playing games. If you like it, then pick it up otherwise don't buy it and play games the way you normally have. If they can create an engaging experince with their Mo Tech then they will not fail. Who will do better depends on marketing strategy, pricing, and what's more accessible. Look at the Wii...everyone said it would fail but is owning this generation in terms of sales. Just wait and see and stop being so quick to say "Fail" because in the end...you could end up looking like an ass when you end up playing the tech(NATAL) because it actually does what MS says it'll do.

[Xi]

they'd be called the biggest ^&() in the room.

[tientch1]

Bring IT

[HurstDarkStar]

see i can see MS sticking with it b/c the know ow to hype things and make the consumer believe its the greatest thing since slice bread but sony?they still cant make me believe there games are worth the trouble(neither can the wii at this point)but at least MS has the decency to trick u into it.PLUS SONY DOESNT ADVERITZE WELL!

[Reshun]

Journalists taking out a small pinch of phrase out of an entire speech and toss it in the house of internet and watch it burn.

[Marius]

People, stop believing this bullshit. The PS3 is the worst selling console out of the three, and it has been for over three years, why would that change now? Sony has been saying the same thing all along. Face it, they are not "IT" anymore.

[HurstDarkStar]

DEM's FIGHT'n WORDS BOY!!!