The New PlayStation 5 Is One Of Sony’s Worst Console Revisions

Shaz from GL writes: “Sony have had great console revisions over the decades, but something is amiss with the company in recent years, and the new PS5 is proof of that.”

[Jin_Sakai]

I agree.

Digital edition $450
Disk add on $80
Vertical stand $30

Digital edition w/ stand $480 up from $399
Digital edition with disk drive $530/$560 w/ stand

[LOGICWINS]

We also have to mention the "new" cover plates for the PS5 Slim. The old covers aren't compatible.

This is what happens when Xbox isn't competitive.

[blackblades]

Your logic is stupid why would they be compatible when the slim is small what you want it to an umbrella for it. Y'all B* about the OG being bigger and now still B* when its a smaller version.

[-Foxtrot]

To be fair why would the plates be the same if it’s smaller?

I couldn’t imagine this console being smaller and having the old plates, it would look ridiculous.

[LOGICWINS]

@blackblades @Foxtrot Of course the old plates aren't compatible, but Sony could've remedied this by simply releasing the PS5 Slim in various colors. This way, OG PS5 owners who are upgrading to the Slim aren't paying for the same colored covers twice.

[Soulsborne]

The irony of your username.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Can't you just sell your old face plates? I don't think it matters if they offered the Slim in other colours, plus, it might slow Sony's production down as they would have to make 5 different coloured shells during manufacturing. Nah, just offer it as an after market cover like before.

Anyway, Xbox hasn't been competitive for 2 console generations now, they should have done better.

[itsmebryan]

@logicwins
Xbox just lives in your head rent free.

[Barlos]

What do you mean Xbox isn't competitive? They recently spent almost $80 billion to monopolise...er..."consol idate" their ability to produce the best games the world has ever seen like FH, Starfield and...Redfall!

Wash your mouth out with soap you heathen!

[Godmars290]

Or, they're trying to set up MS while preparing for Nintendo. The Switch 2.

If that turns out to be at least as powerful as PS4, remains portable when the other two can no longer justify graphical power housing, then that's the console war. Big N's #1 again even with price drops from Sony.

[EvertonFC]

8 people actually agreed with you, what the fu*k is the world coming too 😂🤣

[slayernz]

easily fixed, just get the skillsaw out of the shed and cut it down to size /S

congratulations @logicwins, youve won the prize for stupidest comment today, smh

[Ps5conehead]

Read ps blog in early 24. They will have colors

[IRetrouk]

Your just getting the price increase the rest of us already got, the new versions cost the same as the old in the uk, no excuse for that stand though, really is unnecessary.

[VariantAEC]

PS2 had a stand that cost $49.99 if I recall correctly... But clearly, the PS2 didn't need that stand at all! Time will tell if PS5 slim really needs the stand or not. It might not and if that's the case. The extra $40 you don't need to spend shouldn't be a concern living in your head.

[IRetrouk]

It's probably not a need, but the simple fact is with the older model you got a choice and it didn't cost you 30 quid to make it, they de-engineered the stand just so they could make a few extra quid🤷🏻‍♂️

[Eonjay]

The disk drive being 450 makes sense because you ate getting more memory and you can can ipgrade it which isn't something you could do with the original model.

But it's just an option. You cab spend 500 and just buy the disc console with more storage.

Or if you are like me you can just be happy with the launch unit you already have.

The New PS5 digital is the best digital console to date because it has options.

I like the fact that they made buying the disc unit up front cheaper overall though.

I don't use my stand so I'm not gonna bitch about buying the new one.

[crazyCoconuts]

You can upgrade storage on the original model too

[--Onilink--]

Its barely an increase in storage size and the whole idea of a slim model (especially this one that is simplifying their entire manufacturing process) is that its gotten cheaper for them to make.
So the idea that they are now manufacturing the console for less, charging the consumers more for it, removing the stand and charging an obscene amount for it, also charging an inflated price for the disc add-on (in the UK and EU it’s honestly ridiculous), all while the actual size reduction isnt even that much and apparently not even getting more energy and heat efficient (which is another usual thing with redesigns)

Add all of that to doing this in the same year they massively increased the price of PS+…

[VariantAEC]

@--Onilink--
The new system is cheaper to make... then they added 250GB of the same superfast storage PS5 already had...
$30 saved in production against how much for those new NAND storage chips?
Maybe they're still breaking even on PS5 due to inflation and trying to at least keep up with Xbox's base 1TB of storage?
Has anyone but me considered that?
Probably not.

[crazyCoconuts]

I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with the console revision, it looks good and is smaller. Typical. What people don't like is the pricing.

[S2Killinit]

I think it brilliant. Not sure what you are on about.

[derek]

@Jin, I will never understand people whining about prices for videogame system, it's not a necessity of life.

[Lightning77]

If it was Xbox you would be yelling anti this and that hard. Since it's Sony they get a free past or it's "suddenly" justified. I guess you love it when they nickel and dime you for everything.

[JackBNimble]

Of course it's not a necessity of life , that's kind of irrelevant isn't it?

If people think they are being asked to pay more then they feel it's worth , are they not aloud to question it if it's not a necessity of life?

Pretty ridiculous statement if you ask me

[goldwyncq]

Jim Ryan and the his effect on Playstation has been disastrous.

[DarXyde]

I agree with Jin.

At best, Sony didn't think it through.

At worst... They did.

The pricing really doesn't make sense. It almost feels like a punishment for adopting the console late.

Genuinely hoping this is the absolute last "f*** you" from Ryan era leadership and there's nothing else coming like this. Leadership has really left me scratching my head this gen.

If we're being objective, Sony is doing some concerning stuff. The slim doesn't come with a price cut, it's more expensive to upgrade to a disc version than outright buying it, you can't buy PSVR2 controllers separately... Honestly, what is going on?

Concern is warranted and justified, and people are acting like it's whatever.

No, people. Sony is a corporation. They've been good with PlayStation because people demanded it. Sony just had some employee data stolen and we're acting like that didn't happen because we weren't impacted directly?

Sony is not uniquely awful. I know that. You have a LOT of people (including f***king regulators) who were okay with approving a deal that allowed Kottick and the other cockroaches at ABK to scurry under a rock if it means Game Pass releases. Nintendo is rumored to be charging people for backwards compatibility with their next generation platform.

We need to stop enabling corporate bullshit. They are not your friends. If they could get away with shoveling shit at you every year, they would. All of them.

So when they do dumb things, we need to call them out.

[VariantAEC]

@DarXyde
"I agree with Jin.

At best, Sony didn't think it through.

At worst... They did.

The pricing really doesn't make sense. It almost feels like a punishment for adopting the console late."

Or maybe the new storage costs more plus inflation and the weak Yen (PS' connections with Sony and the very weak Japanese economy right now)? Who would've thunk a terrible global economy would result in consoles not coming down in price? Not you, clearly.

"If we're being objective, Sony is doing some concerning stuff. The slim doesn't come with a price cut, it's more expensive to upgrade to a disc version than outright buying it, you can't buy PSVR2 controllers separately... Honestly, what is going on?

Concern is warranted and justified, and people are acting like it's whatever."

Already explained the PS5 not getting a price cut ($30 saved, then likely spent to beef up stock storage from 825GB to 1TB plus inflation), then you obsess over PS5 disc's drive price? Just buy the $50 more expensive unit and save $30. Problem solved. What would be concerning is if the new PS5 slim with disc drive cannot use another PS5 slim disc drive... that would be converning! You can't but PSVR2 controller separately... this thing hasn't been out for a whole year yet. All your PSVR2 components are still under warranty, if they break send them in for repair (I think you pay S&H and nothing else). What's the problem? Oh, you can't play instead you'd rather pay whatever it costs for a right or left hand controller provided PS ever sells them separately and as individual controllers and not pairs... Seeing as how you can not buy PSVR2 without the controllers being included, I'm going to have to stick with: this is not actually a problem.

So far nothimg of concern.

"No, people. Sony is a corporation. They've been good with PlayStation because people demanded it. Sony just had some employee data stolen and we're acting like that didn't happen because we weren't impacted directly?"

This breach is not new. It happened in May and you just heard about it this month because some unknown supposedly not so good at hacking hacker group claimed responsibility for it and supposedly MOVEit was responsible for the up-keep of their servers. Sure SIE used them, but these companies buy server space too. It isn't like SIE knew this was a thing and even if they did they can only pull their data from the offending companies serverspace demanding the service provider cleans up.

To the rest of your comment it would help if you knew what to actually be concerned about.

[DarXyde]

VariantAEC,

"Or maybe the new storage costs more plus inflation and the weak Yen (PS' connections with Sony and the very weak Japanese economy right now)? Who would've thunk a terrible global economy would result in consoles not coming down in price? Not you, clearly."

So you think that less plastic, smaller chips, and 175GB more storage...warrants a net increase in price, years later, I should add? Okay, buddy. I'll even grant you that—I'm just glad to see that you're denying it's a corporation being greedy. Glad you understand that much.

"Already explained the PS5 not getting a price cut ($30 saved, then likely spent to beef up stock storage from 825GB to 1TB plus inflation), then you obsess over PS5 disc's drive price?"

"Already explained" like I can reply as you write. Solid. No one is obsessing over the disc drive price. Mentioned it a grand total of... Once. And that's just to say the pricing scheme doesn't make sense. And no matter how you try to spin it, it doesn't.

"Just buy the $50 more expensive unit and save $30. Problem solved."

I guess we'll have to see what availability looks like. We don't even know the ratio of digital to disc edition slims we're getting. This is modern Sony, so I think my skepticism is healthy.

"You can't but PSVR2 controller separately... this thing hasn't been out for a whole year yet. All your PSVR2 components are still under warranty, if they break send them in for repair (I think you pay S&H and nothing else)."

That warranty does nothing for me, someone outside of the US and Canada. According to the details of the warranty, it also only covers the headset (no peripherals) if determined to be materially defective and does not consider acts of God or even accidents. If you live with children (I don't know if you do, don't really care and not looking for an answer there) or have frequent guests who use the thing, there is heightened risk—neither of those are unusual scenarios either. Yes, it is the consumer's job to protect it, but there really need to be options because (say it with me) accidents happen. Warranty is great if it's defective and you live in NA. Besides that, just give me the option to give you $120-$150 instead of $550 again. It's the pro consumer thing to do. And if you don't see that, this is a waste of time.

"This breach is not new. It happened in May and you just heard about it this month because some unknown supposedly not so good at hacking hacker group claimed responsibility for it and supposedly MOVEit was responsible for the up-keep of their servers. Sure SIE used them, but these companies buy server space too."

Oh, it's not a new breach! Thank God! That makes it so much better, doesn't it? I haven't had a credit card attached to PSN since the attack on PS3 ages ago. You miss the point that people (like you, apparently) blow it off as nothing. I will never understand. If you are cavalier about those things, fine. I don't wish ruin on you, but if you aren't bothered by it, that's dandy and I really don't care. The problem I have is collective indifference. I'm just one person who enjoys PlayStation, but I'm also quite hostile towards PlayStation. I remember early PS3 Sony. They were insufferable and from that, any time they screw up or do something blatantly anti consumer, I prefer that people make a big deal out of it so they don't get comfortable.

"To the rest of your comment it would help if you knew what to actually be concerned about."

Perhaps you're too myopic to understand these things. Moving along then.

[VariantAEC]

@DarXyde
"I'm just glad to see that you're denying it's a corporation being greedy."
I like to think of it as you overreacting... because it sounds like you are. You act as if these raw material costs are the only thing going up. What about the people PS pays to buy those materials to make PS5? Yeeeaah, YA DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT!
I do.

The price of labor the price to manufacture the shipping the hosting... IT ALL WENT UP and the Yen. Don't know if you know this but Sony Corporation is Japanese and unfortunately PS though its own business is still under Sony Corp. and answers to the almighty Yen which... is looking pretty puny at the moment.

These issues are the crux of the debate. You brought up utterly ridiculous things like this 6 month old hack that didn't expose PSN users info this time. Yeah it is unfortunate that maybe all 6700+ Sony employees in North America lost some personal information, but again even this was explained as a mistake in SIE trusting a 3rd party as most companies do...
If you were to go out and make a company that, I don't know makes videogame consoles and videogame software hosting petabytes of data at massive data centers... Do you honestly think PS does that in isolation? Do you think any corporation does that all on their own? Maybe Google Apple and Microsoft all have the money to do this but most companies don't including Sony Corp and Nintendo. They have to offload these things to third parties and its part of your ToS (which even much larger richer companies like the aforementioned Apple, Google, and Microsoft put into their online services ToS, though it's probably so they can sell your data technically with your knowledge and consent, because you're supposed to read those things). You think you are safe from these businesses prying eyes because you are on another continent? 🤣🤣🤣
29315; You aren't. Maybe this is the first time you've heard of the "Five Eyes?"

Anyway... almost nothing you are saying is even remotely genuine.
I would even say your healthy skepticism is farcically over dramatic.

I don't know your history of fanboyism here or anywhere and I don't f•••••• give a s•••, but this interaction reeks of it.

You don't want the thing, don't buy it. No one is forcing you. What is stupid is that you act like anyone else is doing this better. Nintendo made a slightly better screen for Switch and made the thing $50 more expensive. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but I don't remember any complaints. Xbox did the same thing around the rime SIE was hacked this year making the Series S 1TB for the same price... the Series S is literal s•••! But it didn't get a price-cut and... no complaints?

PS5 is mature, but prices for everything went up because the global economy was f•••••• by the global pandemic response (not by the pandemic itself). It's not greed. It's not malice. It's not Sony trying to gouge every last penny and bit of credit you have to your name to coax you into gaming. That's all on you.

Personally, I already have a PS5, and I'm content.

[DarXyde]

VariantAEC,

Normally, I wouldn't address lengthy post like this, but I think it's worth exploring.

"I like to think of it as you overreacting... because it sounds like you are. You act as if these raw material costs are the only thing going up. What about the people PS pays to buy those materials to make PS5?"

I'm in favor of price hikes if they raise the standard of living for the labour, but somehow, I doubt that. I don't think I'm overreacting either. It just becomes difficult to ignore the latest move from PlayStation that seems to be a concerning pattern this generation.

"These issues are the crux of the debate. You brought up utterly ridiculous things like this 6 month old hack that didn't expose PSN users info this time."

Humility is important in these matters, but the most important thing is taking steps to protect yourself. I'm sure the powers that be can get into my things, but I at least try to make it a challenge. I regularly change passwords, all of my devices run through a VPN (a Panamanian one, FYI), I use Threema for messaging, and I always generate virtual cards for digital purchases—and forget Five Eyes, I'm not even in a 14 Eyes Country; I do frequently connect through Switzerland however for their stricter data security laws. I'm quite paranoid about those things following the Patriot Act (I'm a US expat, FYI). I don't disagree that these things can happen to anyone. My point is that if it's easy to say NBD about it, that doesn't motivate caution on their part. Sadly corpos only see you when there's a palpable threat to their bottom line. I love PlayStation, but I prefer prevention to intervention, so for every stumbling block, I would rather keep Sony in check. To their credit they've historically responded well to pressure.

"Anyway... almost nothing you are saying is even remotely genuine.
I would even say your healthy skepticism is farcically over dramatic."

I'm being genuine. I wouldn't bother replying otherwise. You don't share the same concerns. That's fine. Generally, I don't like where PS is going.

"I don't know your history of fanboyism here or anywhere and I don't f•••••• give a s•••, but this interaction reeks of it."

I didn't know this was one of those conversations warranting this kind of fire 🤣. So you mean to say it reeks of fanboyism? If so, I'm genuinely curious to know where you think I land.

"What is stupid is that you act like anyone else is doing this better."

Not true. This bothers me, but NOTHING compared to the pure anger I feel about ABK. I don't care at all about games (been boycotting since COD2). But the fact that Kottick & co. will escape penalty when someone took their life is absolutely unforgivable. I feel very strongly about that. And you mention "just don't buy it". While I own a PS5 PE, I typically get slim models when they come out (not always) and transition for low power consumption and I typically give the OG models to one of my siblings. I love gaming, which is why I feel strongly about the issues: every new step concerns me. Sony feels personally greedy, Nintendo treats fans like constituents, and Microsoft is trying to shape an industry they don't really care about in their image using money. I have the most hope for Sony. Of course I'm concerned.

[DarXyde]

"PS5 is mature, but prices for everything went up because the global economy was f•••••• by the global pandemic response (not by the pandemic itself)."

Agree, and I defended the price hike when it happened. I did NOT defend Xbox price hikes though because the timing made no sense. For PS, it was targeted to specific markets, and didn't feel intentional. I commended the recent temporary price cuts. With supply shortages, I understood. I don't like this "luxury gaming" thing Sony has now. Feels like the Kuturagi PS3 era. I like the PS5, but it's my least favorite PlayStation, despite the features. I don't feel the passion for gaming in this one, but that's me. Just feels overtly monetized.

Anyway, I think that sums up my point of view. No need to reply, just hope I'm clear here.

[Evan_Beezy]

I get it but you're also just regurgitating tech tubers complaints…and tbh the digital shouldve always been 450 from the jump *shrug*

[purple101]

yes it is,

UK just had a deal that ended yesterday, where you could get a PS5+copy of FC24 for £409, and bypass all this nonsense.

yess that is well below rrp, and I'm sure they'l do another one soon

[Fishy Fingers]

That was just a means to allow retailers to sell out of the old stock as Sony wont want them listing both models, nor will they want to exhange or RMA.

[purple101]

a brand new bundle, with a brand new game (released 29th September- 2 week ago)

for below rrp of just the console itself.>?? they could have just given the free game like they did with the use offer but the took another £50 off just for fun.

[sparky77]

And yet Playstation fans keep kissing Sony's feet. This is only going to get worse until they see the light.

[Number1TailzFan]

There will need to be a Pro model next year if it wants any chance of standing against midrange PC GPUs for UE5. PC has already surged ahead by miles with a 4090 and will completely dominate when the 5000 series launch.

Also a mistake Sony made was not having an external disc drive work with the digital model, instead forcing people to buy a new console.

[ocelot07]

Ah yes there is that word again FORCING people to buy a new console. Yup that's what they are doing. Jim Ryan is putting a gun to everyone's head we all are being FORCED to sell our old model PS5s and are being FORCED to get these new ones. Is that how it is? When someone CHOSE to buy a digital ps5 in the last 3 years. They can't complain they didn't have a option to get a disc drive add-on as it was never ever promised.

Now let's talk sense. When the ps5 released in 2020 us customers had a CHOICE. We could buy a cheaper digital only console. Or for a bit more money we could get the same console with the same powetz same storage size but with a disc drive. No one FORCED me to buy a disc based ps5 console. That was my CHOICE because I wanted one with a disc drive and Sony gave me the CHOICE what type of console I wanted.

Now when the new designed PS5 releases. Sony has now given customers even more CHOICE. When available it's my CHOICE that I will be selling my disc launch day ps5 for the new digital console. Because for the last year I have solely used digital. But since Sony has give us more options than before. I may even buy the optional disc drive.

[badz149]

And you have to mention the 4090. A GPU that can nab you 3 PS5 for the same price!

[-Foxtrot]

Kissing Sonys feet?

Have you seen the reaction to Jim Ryan leaving or the awful GaaS plans being put in place

People are vocal and they will be vocal with this if they don’t agree with it

You can’t call a fanbase when you arselick Xbox and Phil Spencer…what about the recent Forza with how much of a step back it is. It’s hypocritical.

[sparky77]

Sorry but no.

The only reason people are attacking Jim is because he's leaving, if he got a promotion or a massive bonus everyone would be saying "he deserves it, he's great".

You guys are very transparent and are not fooling anyone, Sony can do nothing wrong hence my kissing Sony's feet comment.

[-Foxtrot]

@sparky77

"everyone would be saying "he deserves it, he's great"

Lmao. Not really.

If people are glad he's leaving then why would they suddenly praise him if he did get a bonus or promotion?

Compare the reaction to Jack Trenton or Shawn Layden leaving to Jim Ryan, they are night and day differences. Hell most don't even believe he's leaving on his own terms, the whole "I'm taking early retirement" is usually code with these big corporations where they ask someone to take early retirement or ask to leave where they will use the "wanting to explore exciting and new opportunities" excuse. No one leaves when they are putting a plan (GaaS) into motion and then someone is apparently stepping up to his duties despite the guy not leaving until March next year.

People are more critical to Sony than people like yourself are to Microsoft. Now am I saying that as in "100% perfect, no fanboys and no ass kissing" God no, there's people like that obviously but I've seen people shit on Sony for dumb f****** decisions than people with Microsoft.

I mean just look at your entire comment history in the past couple of months, it's literally calling Sony on everything, even the most nitpick stuff while over praising Microsoft that they can't do anything wrong. You'll downplay one and overhype another. It's hypocritical. You know this. You don't care. So I'm not going to go further than this comment as it's overall pointless. Especially when you make comments like this....

https://i.ibb.co/8g7Mgyt/12...

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@sparky77,

Your joking right? Or trolling? I don't believe most PS users liked Jim Ryan, if you're new to the site, you can look back at previous articles and see that most people were pretty vocal about the direction he was leading Sony in.

I don't think you know how to use the word "transparent".

[Lightning77]

"People are vocal and they will be vocal with this if they don’t agree with it"

I barely seen it. Here or Twitter. Actually I have seen it here and Twitter when Sony raised the price of plus. People were vocal, only for a day then went right back to trashing every single SF article in sight. (true story)

Xbox tries raising price of XBL 2 years ago and Xbox fans pushed back. Sony raises prices, not happy, disappointed, some justify it or deflect and finger point like you did. Hardly anything gets seriously pushed when Sony does these things.

Don't finger point and deflect face the issue.

[Bobertt]

Jim Ryan can't leave fast enough. He was not pro consumer.

[ravens52]

Sparky at it again lmao. You have to be in your teens. Right?

[Barlos]

Could be worse. You could celebrate a company in their attempt to monopolise the gaming industry.

[Crows90]

Im sorry what?
Console mid gen slim models are normal. What exactly we supposed to be seeing here?

Nobody liked Jim Ryan and his gaas. Open your eyes. You should be kissing sony fans feet because theyre the only reason Xbox has been buying studios. You guys were to blind to complain about anything.

And people have also been vocal about a lack of exclusive 1st party lineup. That could have been Jim Ryans fault as well and nobody is content with it.

Get your fanboy bias out of here while the grownups actually critique issues on all platforms properly.

[Rude-ro]

EVERYTHING is going up in price.
This console is just a repackage with MORE memory.
Love it, hate, yell at your wealthy people choking the world market.
Microsoft is charging AAA prices for half baked indie games to fluff up their subscription package.. do not see you up in arms over that.
Heck… Microsoft is literally charging early access for games on their subscription service! Care? No.
Micro transactions for a
color in halo infinite for $20… care? No.
Why? Because a fandom blindness.
Sony is doing nothing but following the market of which is globally up 50%.
You can not buy the parts and sell them for a loss because the world is being robbed.

[outsider1624]

You've been kissing MS's for a decade now. You're still here...

[derek]

@sparky grow up. Nobody should whine about Microsoft price increases or Nintendos either. When you're an adult if you don't need something and can't really afford it you don't buy its that simple. I could be wrong but you seem to only be vocal about price increases when it comes Sony.

[TheEroica]

Sony fans like being milked daily...

[jznrpg]

I think it’s great.a lot smaller and you can replace the drive easily if it ever dies is a great option. They don’t have a Series S holding back the entire generation that IS the WORST decision of the entire generation

[ApocalypseShadow]

Gamers today. All I see is nothing but bitching and complaining about everything. Something is offered that is new and you automatically tear it down as if everything is about you or that Sony is only selling products to you only or they aren't innovating enough or making enough.

"Why is the PS5 so big? It doesn't fit in my perfect entertainment center. It doesn't match my other electronics that are all black or all white. How come they couldn't put more SSD space in there at launch? Why are they making multiplayer games that aren't one offs where gamers move on to the next multiplayer game at the drop of a hat? All I want Sony to do is make single player games only. Because it's all about me."

"Why did Sony make VR? No one wants that. I don't want to be immersed in a game. And I want to see everything around me and type on my phone at the same time. Why does it have all those features but costs less than PC headsets? It should be mass market price of $199-299 max. Where's are the games? 100 is still to little. GT7, RE8, Horizon, Saints and Sinners, NMS, Synapse, etc etc aren't enough games to play. How come it doesn't play COD or Madden? How come they can't make a PS Vita 2 instead where games would be $50-70 dollars? How come Sony's making a streaming device? Who wants that? How come it can't have Android built in? How come they couldn't allow me to put other operating systems on it?"

"What kind of upgrade is the Slim? Why does it cost more than the other digital console that has less memory space and no ability to add a disc drive for physical games? The new Slim should cost less because Sony built it with less plastic. They shouldn't be trying to make money but give their tech over to me for less. The new Slim isn't even an upgrade from the PS5 I already have that plays the same games. I expect more from Sony. It should at least do 8K or something. Even though I don't have an 8K TV. Or do holographic games. Why are they selling a stand separately? It should be included in the package even though all Sony's consoles never needed a stand to stand up. What were they thinking?"

Where are the games? I know Sony's developers are making them and it takes a little longer to make sure games are quality. But I want them right now. I don't care if the pandemic affected the game industry for 2 years, I don't care if they wanted to play it safe by doing cross gen games until the virus was controlled. They should have been ready even in a world crisis. Who cares about Horizon or GT7 or Ratchet and Clank or Returnal or GOW or the up coming Spider-Man 2. We want more more more. You're taking to long Sony. I need a roadmap. It's all Jim Ryan's fault for keeping Sony in the black during a virus. I need games games games now now now now now. "

Spoiled. Entitled. Bitches and complainers.

[Fishy Fingers]

Its like you're quoting the things that keep you up at night bro.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Made yourself look ignorant with that one.

[slate91]

We aint reading that book fam

[blackblades]

The Gen of B*

[darthv72]

There is a sense of irony in your first paragraph. Because that is exactly how you are to XB. You admit to such behavior almost every rant.

[shadowknight203]

My switch OLED and ps5 being both black and white looks amazing together. Case in point.

[jimbo676]

skipped. You actually think people gonna read this.

[ChasterMies]

Great revision for Sony. A lot smaller, saves Sony a lot money. With the pricing, though, not a great revision for consumers.

[Seraphim]

Does it save Sony money though? With inflation, the rising costs in production, shipping, etc this is probably more like a wash. These are strange times we're living in, strange, strange times. Typical convention does not quite apply at present, though, to what degree only Sony know. Just saying

[ChasterMies]

A lot of the inflation that we see at retail is just b.s. price markups. Component prices are actually down this year. Samsung is reporting a 90% drop in profits in components. For some markets, the price increase is the result of fluctuations in currency value. U.S. currency is strong and yet the slim PS5 digital is $50 more expensive. I’d buy the bigger PS5 digital for $400 while supplies last,

[goldwyncq]

It makes no sense to charge more for a slim product when the entire point of shifting to slim consoles is to cut costs.

[Knightofelemia]

To me the PS3 super slim still has that crown as one of the worst Sony revisions. The cheap plastic the stupid sliding top also being of cheap plastic. Waste of money I like to collect even I won't buy that dummied down PS3 revision and I love the PS3 one of my favorite consoles next to the PS1 and PS2.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I hated the plastic cover too, lucky I got the slim before that one.

[purple101]

I agree they did this nice slim one with a dvd drive that sucked in the disk, then couple year later did this horrendeous cheap sliding lid thing than just felt horrible. felt worse than a ps1

[gold_drake]

odd, since we always had a "slim" version for all sony consoles right up until now.

weve only had 1 Pro model thus far, and that was the ps4 pro.

so the argument it being the "worst" revision is abit stupid.

[CrimsonWing69]

This generation just sucks, period.

Honestly, what gen has been this dumb with barely a current-gen being a thing, all the price hikes and subscription price increases, way more remasters and remakes despite the console being backwards compatible. Then a weird slim model that somehow is more than the original disc version… like, what is going on?

[shadowknight203]

It's called recession lol. And before that even, it was called high development cost. Now it's both.

My point is there is always a reason for laziness, sometimes more valid than other reasons.

[Eonjay]

This Gen has been great with many awesome games. Most news stories only focus on negativity because it get more attention and they get paid more. If you are waiting for positive reports, the Gen will always feel dumb and or bad.

[Lightning77]

There's nothing positive about spending 50$ more on a slim that's suppose drop in price.

Why is that a good thing? I don't get it.

[gold_drake]

well, most of your poi ts are easily explained

no one thought a damn virus would halt the world
everythings been more expensive

but i agree with remasters.

[jznrpg]

I have enjoyed this generation but I don’t strictly play AAA games. There is a lot of AA jrpg stuff I play as well on top of games like Returnal GoW etc and i have really enjoyed this generation. I actually don’t have enough time to play everything I want to. But to me there has been good amount of AAA stuff as well. I JUST NEED MORE TIME !

[goldwyncq]

The problem is lack of games, specifically new IPs. Almost everything is either a remake, a sequel, or a cross gen game. We've already hit the point where it takes the equivalent of an entire console generation to put out some AAA games. Just look at TLOU 2 taking 6 years of development, or RDR2 taking 8.

[anast]

It's a great revision for those who don't already have one or those looking to move on from the Xbox series S.

[darthv72]

...in addition to, not move on from. Having both smaller form factor systems is a good balance to have.

[RupeeHoarder]

Are people delusional truly? It's better than the PS3 and PS4 slims and I guarantee everyone will feel that way once they see it in person. Both of those units were atrocious. Only the PS2 Slim and the mini PSX are ahead of it...primarily because the components inside of those units were next to nothing so they could be that insanely small. Not to mention the PSone slim came out when the PS2 was about to launch and was becoming an afterthought so of course it would be cheaper. You'll never see a slim like that again with the size of the components required for gaming today. The complaints for the digital model because of the disc drive add-on making it more than the disc version are pretty petty. Most people buying the digital won't be buying the disc add-on, but at least there is choice in doing so. I believe that option is for a very small % of PS gamers. Just like before if you want to buy physical games, you buy the disc version. I'll be swapping my PS5 Fat disc version because that new digital is sleek as hell and I've bought all my games digital outside of launch titles which are now included with the PS Plus subscription (Miles Morales / Demon's Souls). I'll take that extra almost 200GB bonus of space for nearly an even swap cost wise.

They beat Microsoft to the revision punch which is a big deal. I'm also incredibly curious what the news articles will be if Microsoft does release that cylinder Xbox Series X without a disc drive....Sony came up with a design that allows for an add-on seamlessly. You can't stick a disc drive onto a round unit.

http://www.xboxgazette.com/...

yuck if this is the route they go and it is praised compared to what Sony concocted

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

It's okay, but they should have included the stand with it, looking back at the other consoles, this is definitely their worst Slim line console.

[PitbullMonster]

Nah man, the PS3 Ultra Slim was the worst while the Ps2 Slim was the best imo.

[Abnor_Mal]

IMO the PS2 Slim was terrible, only because it was so thin there was no room to put in a fan to cool the internals down. The system became very hot after a while and would stop playing, which meant having to turn off the system until it cooled down substantially before it could be used again.

[darthv72]

There is a fan in the slim ps2. Maybe yours just needs cleaning.

[Abnor_Mal]

Hm interesting, I did not know that, it wasn’t my PS2 Slim but a friends. Maybe it did need cleaning I don’t know, I just remember him having to turn it off after awhile.

[darthv72]

The PS One slim which added the screen... that is the best.

[bigfish]

The PS Slim in fine. Just typical video games consumers want to complain about everything and anything.

Why is it when LG or Samsung change the design of their tvs or when hotpoint change their fridge freezers or when bosch revise their washing machines consumers are not up in arms complaining about it. No reason why the console industry which is another peice of consumer equipment, should be any different.

[toneblanco925]

Waiting for the PS5 Pro if that's even a thing.

[Exthun]

An article without real hardware analysis, we need better gaming journalists.

[derek]

There was no way that the digital edition when matched with the detachable drive would end up costing less or equal to the new complete edition, it would make no sense. The disk edition is the model sony wants people to buy so much so it ends up costing less than buying each part separately. If the the digital edition remained the same price the detachable drive would be priced at $130.

[RhinoGamer88]

I won't comment much about the insane cost of the new faceplates... They are not irrelevant for the slim.
However, the price point is just wrong and frankly a lost opportunity. The slim should have been the same or ideally slightly cheaper than the launch version. Wasn't the PS4 Slim $50-100 cheaper at launch?

[Babadook7]

And still it's a pretty good revision.

[mkis007]

It does have more space too.

[Father__Merrin]

The new ps5 looks much sleeker and is smaller. Nothing wrong with it

[Stuart5756]

All these complaining. Don't buy it then, I'm not. The hardware spec is basically the same as the OG PS5, it's not a 'pro' so don't buy it, or, if you don't have a PS5 at all just buy the disc slim with no stand. And stop moaning, simple.

[Destiny1080]

its about as slick as it gets, and know it has a new trick up its sleeve, you can turn your digital purchase into a full blown PS5 disc version, i think you'll find the 30$ stand is unnecessary, I've tested my PS5 with and without a stand i couldn't tell the difference both were rock solid

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

It’s a complete rip off but Sony can do no wrong so people will keep letting Sony go in them pockets. They have no real competition so Sony is free to take advantage of their loyal fans. SMH…

[Notsofast]

30 percent is a good chunk off the system and they have you space for 1or 2 more games with the 1

[Soy]

The look and the ability to swap disc drives are good; the prices suck. Each should be at least $15-20 less than they are.

[FallenAngel1984]

“The PlayStation 3, otherwise (incorrectly) known as the console that lost to its prime competitor, Microsoft’s Xbox 360.”

An incorrect statement indeed. PS3 outsold 360

[mastershredder]

Nice that you had all this time to test it out to make that conclusion.

“something is amiss with the company in recent years” - yeah your hard core observation and reasoning skills noticed this. Nice way to sensationalize your topic.

You should never state an opinion ever again, unless it’s in a corner.

[Retroman]

Believe it or not just found physical disk PS5 on Ebay for 160.00 Brand New yesterday. can't believe how Luck i am.

[DaniMacYo]

Some seem to forget how expensive shit is in day and age. Do I want price hikes? No. But it’s just the way things are and we really can’t do much about it. Find a way to live with it or find a less expensive hobby.

[DaniMacYo]

Some seem to forget how expensive shit is in this day and age. Do I want price hikes? No!! But it’s just the way things are and we really can’t do much about it. Find a way to live with it or find a less expensive hobby. Nothings the same as it was 10 or 20 years ago. You won’t get the same experiences you got back in the day. It just won’t happen.

[Binarycode]

It shouldn't be more expensive, regardless of size. It should be same price or cheaper. Less product manufacturing etc. Cost. Strange. Sony shooting themselves in the foot.

[GotGame818]

Fun watching the old eat their young!

[andron]

Nah it look good. Always this hyperbole lol

[hiawa23]

This revision was clearly a cost of manufacturing reduction that Sony had no intention on passing to the consumer. Given how they originally designed the PS5 and cooling structure, to me, they shrunk the console as compact as they they could just like the said their engineers designed the slims to be, so it is interesting to me all the fuss over this. It is what it is and it's clear they could not do with the PS5 what they did with previous gen consoles so I am fine with it. I will continue using my launch digital model, but I expect Sony to sell 100 million plus of the revised PS5s which will phase out our current model.

[BillyCrystals]

It's the 2nd coolest looking redesign, second only to the PS2 slim. But I guess when the PS5 is winning so hard, gaming "journalists" have to grasp at straws to find something to complain about.

[InUrFoxHole]

They are murdering the term consumer friendly...

[Ps5conehead]

Sony never said a revised ps5 would be cheaper. But the download edition one is. Now there charging for vertical stand. That’s nothing new as they did for ps2 3 4 and 5.

[Pyrofire95]

Every single console had VERY different circumstances when their redesigns launched.
When the PSone 'slim' came out the PS2 had already launched months ago.
The OG PS2 was already WAY bigger than it needed to be, just removing the HDD bay knocked out MOST of the size, also the slims were reportedly less reliable until later revisions of them.
PS3 had the inFamous cell processor and was very expensive to manufacture, there were big improvements and reductions made to create the slim model, the 'super-slim' ps3 was very cheaply produced and less desierable in general than the normal slim.
PS4 had not much note worthy, except that the Slim revision launched at the same time as the Pro. The slim took a price reduction from the original price and the Pro took over at the original PS4 launch price.
PS5 was born during a pandemic and the economy has been ROCKED. Every comapny uses puts proceccors in all their devices as the world of SMART fridges has become normal, there is so much demand on silicon processors and transistor prices are high.
They are not the same.

[raWfodog]

I’m just wondering why someone would opt for the discless version with optional disc drive. If you were seriously considering using the drive, then just get the complete system and save money.

[Rimeskeem]

Why are people mad that the slim doesn't need a stand anymore?

[Agent75]

It really is sad that there’s people out there who’ll sell their old model to buy the new model. Will admit that l hate big consoles, but I’ll be sticking with my old model.

[TheEroica]

Ps5 was pretty fugly right out of the gate. A smaller version is still fugly.

[SoloGamer1]

isnt it the GAMES that really matter?!? Spider-Man 2 is gonna be DOPE not because of what the dang console LOOKS like... if people dont want the console, they wont buy it. simple.

[kayoss]

The PS3 would like to have a word with you.
They removed everythign that was great about the launched PS3 and still charged people the same price.

[Soldtnt]

Having only just purchased my ps5 I will not be buying this iam happy with what I already have quiet as mouse big I agree but I love it