All PlayStation Classics Available On PSN

From PlayStation Universe: "With the PlayStation Classic coming on December 3, 2018, we at PSU have decided to compile a list of PlayStation 1 Classic titles available to download on your PlayStation 3, PlayStation Portable, and PlayStation Vita through the PlayStation Network."

[leahcim]

and PS4????

[giovanealex]

Nah. You are out of luck, friend.

[naruga]

where is Breath of fire 3 ?? (which is also the best BoF ).... i ve it for my PS3 , it is one of the most well done JRPGs of t that era.....also where is Tactics Ogre .?? it also available (but i mnot so sure about this one)

[Minimox16]

@Naruga
Im with you bro, 3 its the best of BoF, i dont understand why its not in the store but it its the PSP version, but will i play that PSP version in my vita and in my Vita TV for Big screen.

[NecrumOddBoy]

Damn, I saw the title and thought "finally on PS4!." LoL, jeez, come on Sony.

[ILostMyMind]

"Who cares to PS4?". - Sony

[Christopher]

Just FYI, you can get that list with PS2 games as well from here: https://store.playstation.c...

And, if you want specific for PS4: https://store.playstation.c...

Edit: If you're looking for some classics to play on PS4, I personally would suggest Rogue Galaxy, Wild Arms 3, Psychonatus, Dark Cloud 1 & 2, Max Payne (yes, even with the dream sequences), Destroy All Humans 1 & 2. Have heard good things about Jak trilogy and Red Faction 2.

[Fonso128]

If I can play FF7&9 why not add more PS1 games. Why can't I play Ape Escape, Wild Arms, MGS, jumping flash, and legend of Dragoon on my PS4. Sony much like Nintendo suck at re releasing their classics.

[Christopher]

Because Sony doesn't invest in a team that updates those to be played on PS4. FF7 & 9 were updated to run on PS4 by Square, not by Sony or their respective IP holders. It also would require some licensing upgrades as those games are only licensed to run on those respective devices from the IP holders.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Lol

[Kaygamer]

Please they should unlock it for ps4. Had so many on my ps3.

[autobotdan]

Don't give up your Playstation 3

[Christopher]

They would need to rebuild the container software emulators for them. I'm hoping they're working on doing that.

[rainslacker]

It would be nice if they did. It seems like such a waste to not capitalize on the sale of those games. Would be cool if they redid some with trophies like they did the PS2 classics for PS4. Apparently its not that hard to implement, but does require publishers making a bit of effort. However, it can be outsourced fairly inexpensively from what I understand, and the games tend to sell more than your straight up emulated game.

@Chris

Seems like a stright up emulator at the system level would work for PS1 games. Publisher would have to approve their use on PS4 though....which like MS BC, I'm sure many would since it doesn't cost them anything, an there is a chance to make money off it.

[Christopher]

It would work, but likely not preferable to today's desires. I think emulating on a case-by-case like MS does would be best as you could get them to run at 60fps and possibly even some software emulation for higher resolutions. Just a general wrapper has resulted in some bugs in the past and likely to continue now. I think they can invest a little more time and effort to ensure it works and do what it takes to make sure it's forward compatible as well.

[rainslacker]

It would still be case by case. Publishers would still have to approve their use on PS4.

This is simply because those games were licensed to run on a particular system. Something Sony got around by including hardware in the past, essentially making it run on said system....at least from a technical legal standpoint.

The PS2 emulator does improve games, but requires some work on the publishers part to enable, so it's not a one fit solution. But they don't necessarily have to do that kind of thing for the BC releases. It makes more sense on the classic releases with added trophy support, considering they're asking price is higher.

However you are right, a general wrapper can be more problematic, since writing to machine code can mix things up, and the wrappers may not always understand certain system calls.

More likely scenario if they went that route is that a general wrapper would come, and bugs would be worked out when they cropped up for individual games. That's what they tried to do with PS2 emulation on PS3, after the removal of the hardware, but I think it became a bit cumbersome, and to my knowledge, the publisher was responsible for it on the PS2 games on PS3....which most didn't want to bother with.

Anyhow, as of now, it's mostly just hypothetical. Sony would have to cement an application for me to really say how I think it should be done overall. There are things I'd like to see if they enable it, but Sony is no stranger to BC, so I'm sure they can find a working solution should they so desire.

[Christopher]

***It would still be case by case. Publishers would still have to approve their use on PS4.***

You're talking licensing, I'm talking software emulation.

I already understand licensing, which isn't what was being discussed here. But I mentioned it in another comment before this one above: "It also would require some licensing upgrades as those games are only licensed to run on those respective devices from the IP holders."

***The PS2 emulator does improve games,***

Those improvements were made by Sony, not a stand-alone emulator. The games from PS2 on PS4 were all hand-updated for the system a la Xbox One X enhancements for older games on it. Which includes adding trophy support.

To support this, I present: https://blog.us.playstation...

"Updated Features For PS4
Fans of the original game will appreciate the updated features in the PS4 version. Characters, environments, and cinematics have been given a high-definition upgrade, and both the original game’s display and more modern widescreen display are supported. Changing between the two display modes can be done at any time in-game, but certain menus are fixed. A screen scroll feature has been added for widescreen display that allows players to see more of the fixed screens than ever before as the camera now scrolls up and down based on your movement.

This release of Onimusha: Warlords also allows players to move using the analog stick, which should improve movement accuracy and accessibility, especially in a game that is centered around combat. This was the same treatment that Resident Evil and Resident Evil 0 had for their release on PS4. For those who still prefer using the directional inputs like in the original game, that option is also open!

In the original game, Easy Mode was unlocked only after failing a specific battle a set amount of times. In this version, Easy Mode is unlocked from the start of the game for players who may find the adventure too difficult or want to enjoy the story. In Easy Mode, enemies are easier to kill and appear less often. However, you cannot change difficulty once you begin, so select wisely!"

All of that is done by Sony, not emulated. And it updates the game on multiple levels for a modern market and modern devices.

***But they don't necessarily have to do that kind of thing for the BC releases.***

They don't have to do anything, but IMHO, they should. The consumer deserves to have the best and not more reasons to invest in alternative piece of plastic that aren't tied to the centralized ecosystem already present as well as being unable to take advantage of superior hardware in which they have already invested.

[rainslacker]

My bad then on the misunderstanding. In that case, I feel you are right.

My understanding on the emulation improvements is that the way those things were implemented were within the emulator itself. The game cited in the blog looks to be more work done on the game itself to increase textures and add widescreen support. However, since many PS2 classics do indeed add widescreen support, I suppose that some level of developer interaction would have to be implemented.

I don't know if this needs to be the case though, as there are general improvements which can be made to smoothing or simply tesselation of the polygons that already exist. This in itself can cause some oddities at times if done without concern for how the end result looks.

And yeah, I agree that they should probably try to make BC as good as it can be if they decide to do it. It makes sense to make the software as desirable as possible so people will have more reason to buy it. I don't know if every game warrants such effort though, and requiring it may actually hinder its adoption. Something that just allows for a basic wrapper would open up the ability to put more games up.

[Cryptcuzz]

I certainly would have bought a few of the classics again on the PS4.

[blm504]

What about the PS4

[giovanealex]

You are out of luck, friend.

[AK91]

Shame you can't get tekken 3 or Ape Escape on PSN those games were my childhood.

[moomoo319]

I think i saw ape escape 2 on ps now but thats it

[Vanfernal]

You can get Ape Escape 2 on the PS4.

[NoWayOut]

Sony should be ashamed

[bluefox755]

Why? Aren't more options a good thing?

[Godmars290]

You need to explain this...

[ILostMyMind]

Stop defending Sony on this, guys. There is no reasonable reason for not allow PS classic games (except PS3) on PS4. Sony should be ashamed and you too.

[crazyCoconuts]

"for not allow"? PS4 is a different architecture than PS3. They'd have to port it to PS4 add trophies etc. It takes some work (even with an emulator) it's not just "allowing" it, right?

[DarXyde]

crazyCoconuts,

ILostMyMind just said except PS3.

Sony can definitely get PS2 games running on PS4 since they have an emulator that runs them and PSOne can be emulated via brute force. It's, what, about 50x more powerful than PSOne? Pretty sure it can do it.

So I agree that it's pretty indefensible.

[rainslacker]

Question is, why is Sony not allowing it?

People say its so they can resell their games. But how many games actually get remasters or classic releases on the store? Not many. And those remasters and classic releases would likely still sell, because anyone willing to buy an old game, is likely to be enough of a fan to buy a remaster or classic release.

Some say its so they can promote PSNow, but since there is only a tiny fraction of those games on PSNow, I don't see how that's the case. Even if people had PSNow, they would maybe be more willing to buy those games if they were available digitally....at least if you believe what's been said about game pass promoting new game purchases.

So, it seems like it'd be more lucrative to allow these games to run on PS4...with publisher approval...because then Sony would get a cut of the store sales, and for their own games, they'd get the revenue of the sale of the game.

I don't see any technical reason why PS1 game won't run on the PS4, so there has to be a reason, but I don't think the reasons for it are what people believe, and as such, the defense may make sense since the reasons people are upset about it don't line up with logical conclusions.

[crazyCoconuts]

Yes, they should be ashamed for compiling a list of games they consider to be classics. How dare they?

[AnubisG]

It would be nice if we could play PS1 games on PS4. I got about a 100 PS1 games purchased from PSN that I can't play on my PS4 and got about 160 PS1 games on disc that I can't play on my PS4. Maybe on PS5?

[Godmars290]

the ability to play CDs was removed from the PS4.

[AnubisG]

Right. I didn't say it could. I only said it would be nice if it could.

[mark_parch]

fingers crossed ps5 will have the ability

[rainslacker]

I have too many PS1 disc based games to count....about 1000. But reports indicate that the disc itself won't read on the system, so any PS1 BC would be through the digital store. Not the best thing if you have tons of discs, but I think you and I may be an exception, and not a rule in terms of physical. The BC wouldn't work for my Japanese games unfortunately, since PS1 games are still region locked.:(

Some PS2 games also came on CD, so while the DVD games would probably read, about 15% of the games available wouldn't. Anything in the first few years of the PS2 was usually on CD if it wasn't a large game, because they were cheaper to manufacture that way.

Anyhow, like most people with tons of older games, we probably kept the hardware to keep playing them. The people fussing most about BC on Xbox I'd imagine did the same thing, or sold off all their games when they got their X1...or some point thereafter. I don't know many people that just sell off their systems and keep their games.

I do like that my PS3 can play three generations of software with ease. I do keep my modded PS2 readily available for hook up if I decide to play a Japanese game though.

Otherwise, it'd be nice, but for me, it'd just be a way to access the digital PS1 games I have....the vast majority I got through PS+.

What would be even cooler than BC though, is if they implemented a way to play PSP or Vita games on the PS4. Obviously digital ones, but there are a lot of games there I'd like to go back and visit, or just play for the first time.

I don't think the PS5 will do PS3 BC. They aren't likely to put a CELL chip in the system because that would raise the price too much. But I would like to see Sony maybe putting in the Emotion engine, and PS1 controller, which would enable hardware BC without the need to get publisher approval. If they did that, along with PS4 BC, maybe even allow a streamed PS3 BC for games one owns(very wishful thinking), then this whole BC argument could just die, and it'd make the system more appealing for the start of the generation.

I don't think they'll go through all that effort though, because as far as I'm aware, BC still isn't that much of a must have feature on a console.

[Xb1ps4]

What about the retro playstation?

[gangsta_red]

If these games are available for PS3 already through PSN, why doesn't Sony just release these classics for users on PS4?

[thelaughingwiseman]

More than likely looking for a great reason to resell those classics to us, even though we purchased them. i.e. The Grand Theft Auto PS2 classics that were released on the ps4

[rainslacker]

Yeah...because it makes sense to make money off one game every now and then, than the hundreds of games available which could sell at any time, to anyone who wants to play those games. Sony is giving up a 20% cut of all revenue from those hundreds of games, or the 100% revenue they get from their own games, to take a 20% cut on a remaster or classic reskin that would sell regardless of if they had all those games available? Last gen we had these games available, and all those remasters still sold.

This line of reasoning I've seen through the years, and it never stood up to scrutiny, because if one assumes Sony is disallowing it because of the money, then it ignores the fact there is more money to be made through opening up PS1 BC. MS is making money by enabling BC. It also allows them to provide some games on GWG that would be cheaper to license for the service, instead of having to offer more recent games which would cost more. So why would Sony make this decision based on money?

[Realms]

The same reason Nintendo does the same thing with it's digital store but I suspect you already knew that. I could care any less about old games I have already played. People are too sensitive I can play PS1, PS2, PS3 games already and don't because I don't want to. As it is it's already hard enough keeping up with current generation games so where are people find the time to go back and play old games.

[gangsta_red]

"The same reason Nintendo does the same thing with it's digital store but I suspect you already knew that.

So because Nintendo does the same thing Sony should also do it? Sorry, that's not a valid excuse to use, but I also suspect you already knew that.

"I could care any less about old games I have already played."

Then why comment, better yet, why reply to me?

"...so where are people find the time to go back and play old games."

This may come as a shock so you might want to sit down when I say this, but not everyone shares your problems. There are some people who can't play PS1, PS2, PS3 games and would love to have the chance to actually go back and play these, maybe even have the chance to do this on their PS4. I know, crazy right, thinking the world actually revolved around just you and then hearing that it doesn't...deep breaths friend.

[Realms]

Sure sure everyone wants BC that is why MS is killing it with the xbox one oh wait they aren't BC has never been a selling point of a console for many gamers even if it is a welcomed one it isn't a deal breaker otherwise MS would have sold way more consoles after they implemented BC which they haven't and that proves my point. Not enough people care enough about BC even if you or people like you keep crying about it.

[Vanfernal]

I'm genuinely surprised Toshinden never had a digital release. That was THE PS1 launch game.

[Skankinruby]

Only reason I can think they aren't putting these on ps4 is they would feel obligated to put trophy updates. Hope this all gets sorted out with ps4 and can use my entire psn library there, get on it Sony don't ruin the momentum you got over something this tedious.

[rainslacker]

That wouldn't really be necessary. Although, they could do that and release it like they do the PS2 classics as a separate product. However, I assume its possible to have a single release which would do both the base version, and the updated version. The Classic versions with the trophies tend to include graphical updates through the emulator they use.

Anyhow, I think the reason they aren't doing the PS2 BC through digital, despite having an emulator, is not to just sell these PS2 classics at a profit, but because they just don't have many PS2 games on the digital store to begin with. Once they dropped PS2 BC from the PS3, they really backed off on trying to put them on the store. Quite a few PS2 games came on CD, so those wouldn't read in the PS4 for them to make them playable. Even if they make money off the PS2 classics on PS4, I still believe there would be more money through PS2 games being available without those updates. They did pretty well last gen on PS1 classics on the store, and there was no reason to assume that wouldn't continue. I'm sure the publishers aren't opposed to it, since all they have to do is say it can be downloaded on the PS4, and most of the PS1 content is already up there.

[Moe-Gunz]

Well I know what my Vita will be used for

[thelaughingwiseman]

I really would like Sony to make some type of deal to get emulated games to be playable on PS4. PSOne and PS2 classics can be ported. I don't care if they support trophies or not. The fact that some emulated games play better than the original (and touched up in most cases) is a bonus.
I don't know, I'm just thinking of easy ways for Sony to release their classics. I know they are going to want to make a profit form it in one way or another.

[rainslacker]

PS1 games I'd say they should just go for it. I'm really surprised they haven't after all these years, and I do wonder why its' the case. I don't buy into the idea that its because of money....reselling repackaged games(above post explains why). I don't buy into it being because of PSNow(above post again explains why).

I'd imagine any number of publishers would be happy to enable those games being playable on PS4, because it means they have an added revenue stream, and since the games are already up on the store, there is no effort on their part. Some things may not be available due to licensing of older content, but there would still be plenty to choose from. MS showed that publihsers are open to a emulated solution, so might as well go for it if they have an emulator. They have one for PS2, but there aren't as many PS2 digital titles on the store.

Whatever they may decide to enable though, I think it will be digital only. No CD reading in the PS4, and many PS2 games aren't on DVD, so to avoid frustration, they'd probably not enable just PS2 DVD games through physical....assuming they do something similar to MS.

The ideal to me for the PS5 is they have a separate SKU that allows full BC with past PS....maybe with an option for PSP and VIta games as well.:)

[Elda]

I wouldn't play them on the PS3 because they look horrible,they're not in HD.I bought FFVIII on the PS3 & it looks horrible displayed on a HD/4K tv. The PS1 classics don't look bad on the Vita.

[robert]

So where is space hulk vengeance of the blood angles, my all time ps1 classic.

[Kyizen]

The reason I have a Vita...except I dont have time to play all these JRPGs!!!

[FallenAngel1984]

I have no need for a retro console when I got this

[Skuletor]

I find this headline highly misleading, I clicked hoping to find out my ps1 classics I bought on ps3 were downloadable on PS4 now.

[InTheZoneAC]

Still have my ps3 and a few ps1 rpgs downloaded. The only physical ps1 game I have is Legend of Legaia.

[iofhua]

I was looking at the PSN just the other day. I noticed they had added a lot of the shin megami tensei and persona titles. I wish they would add Ghost in the Shell from both Ps1 and Ps2. GitS was easily my favorite FPS on the Ps2. Both the single player and multiplayer were awesome.

[MasterChief3624]

That's the danger of being so excited about what you think the article is about to actually read it... I thought this was an announcement that PS4 was finally getting PS1 Classics. Son of a heck :(

[Gansta_Titan]

They never put Legend Of Legaia on it. I love that game

[Thomaticus]

PS4 isn't powerful enough to run PS1 games I guess.....

[PaleMoonDeath]

So.. is there a technical reason I cannot play PS1 games digitally on my PS4? Got excited until I read into this further :(

[Zjet]

Its worth noting these differ from region to region significanlty.

[KillBill]

So BC to Sony is a pointless venture and not really wanted by players in their eyes, yet they oddly choose to bring BC games to older systems and not bother with current generation PS4? Why????????

[Orionsangel]

These mini consoles should have added the ability to add more games. You could buy them online and plug your console into your USB and use your purchase key to unlock the games that get transferred to your mini console.

[blanka4545]

add online play for twisted metal 2 on ps4!

[bahabeast]

I was already thinking about getting a PS3 this gives me more reason to.

[howiewowwee]

PS5!!!