NPD Group: Xbox One's Victory Streak Ends With PS4 Winning November 2016

GameRevolution: "Entering November, the Xbox One has been outselling the PS4 in North America for four months in a row. Although many were hopeful that this would continue into 2017, the streak has officially come to an end."

[JMaine518]

THE KING IS BACK!

[BizarroUltraman]

Never went anywhere!

[vigilante_man]

Yep. Won every single month's world-wide sales since it came out.

It's only the US and UK where XB1 has won a few months with cuts and the new Slim. When MS start taking Playstation's lead and focusing on GAMES then we may see a difference.

[Herbalistic]

Its crazy how some Xbox folks were celebrating Xbox One winning four months out of a whole year.

[Overload]

After all the Holiday Exclusive rants and articles, this is a big L. Make no mistake.

Read this
http://www.icxm.net/x/xbox-...

[AngelicIceDiamond]

For MS? Not really no need to over exaggerate,

[BizarroUltraman]

How is it a big L? Stop exxagerating, its back to normal...

[LP-Eleven]

In terms of numbers, yes, it will probably wipe most (if not all) of any gains the X1 made in those months. And, this is just November. December will widen the PS4's US total lead.

[ShowanW]

@Overload...

"This is a big L..."

most sad and over exaggerated line of the night...

Microsoft can buy Sony outright in cash and not break from it...

[Kribwalker]

If you have 2 months of preorders released at one time, as well if you discount your new slim console to $249 and bundle 3 games with it I'd expect a big win.

http://www.gamesradar.com/b...

[OB1Biker]

Wow. Haha
Unbelievable.
Here's how people would nearly feel reading the propaganda stuff from that xbox site
'O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two ginscented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother'

When you think about it, it's scary that sort of brain washing is happening in this day and age in the media for gaming consoles.

[Kryptix]

I've seen the comments on that propaganda article you posted.

It seems like every comment done to hype up the PS4 has been edited by staff, but every Xbox pro comment has been left intact.

Xbox fanboys are truly pathetic.

Edit: I get a disagree which truly proves my point. :)

[Markusb33]

Npd are not that important Sony has been outselling xb1 globally since launch snd that never changed. Ff sold 700k in their home country Japan but sold 5 million world wide, which number do you think square likes best.

[Angeljuice]

I read that article, it fails to mention that whilst Xbox was "winning" it was being outsold by 120,000 a week worldwide.

How is losing on a slightly smaller scale than normal a "turning point"?

The gap is still growing, it's now at a ratio of 1.8:1 instead of 2:1.

SONY ARE DOOMED...lol

[IndominusRex]

Whats wrong with that? I could say (Its crazy how some Playstation folks were celebrating Playstation 4 winning eight months out of a whole year.)

[mark3214uk]

8 months? you mean 12 months, ps4 won worldwide everymonth since launch

xo only won in NA for a few months not worldwide

[gamertk421]

C'mon. The world doesn't count. It's all about North America.

[MagicBeanz]

Its even more pathetic when you consider how many they've won since the launch of these new consoles in 2013. Overall probably not to many more then the four month streak they just had.

[MRMagoo123]

and that's only npd , world wide Sony has had top sales every day since launch.

[andrewsquall]

You mean 4 months out of 30 months lol.

[Angeljuice]

What's crazier is that they were losing by ~120,000 units a week globally whilst claiming a victory.

Sony could show the Japanese sales figures and claim victory every month, but they're too classy for that.

Last week PS4 sold over 31,000 units in Japan, XboxOne sold 237 in total.

That is a far bigger margin than MS has ever had over Sony in the States.

[DarXyde]

At the end of the day, I don't think anyone is losing sleep over these numbers.

And if they are, I hope they're investors.

[butchertroll]

Xbone S is closing the gap, guys!!

4k upscale, UHD drive.....em....nope

MS PR :

"We have seen strong momentum for Xbox One since announcing the new Xbox One S at E3 in June. That momentum continued in November as gaming consoles were once again among the most sought-after products to buy over Black Friday weekend. In addition, we saw record engagement among Xbox One owners on Xbox Live as fans enjoyed new games and great deals. In fact, the total players online on Sunday, Nov. 27 was up 40 percent compared to last year. If you missed the Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals, we are pleased to be extending our $50 off offer on all Xbox One S consoles for a limited time starting Dec. 11 at participating U.S. retailers. And if you're looking to pair your new Xbox One S with a brand new 4K TV, we're partnering with many leading retailers, including Best Buy, where you can save $150 and get a free Xbox Wireless Controller when you buy an Xbox One S with select 4K TVs."

They're back to Monthly Active Users

[ThatGuyDart]

Damn I wanted to know hot many shots were fired in Halo. Such crucial info.

[jwillj2k4]

"30 million bullets missed their target in Halo this November, while 3 million chainsaws connected against the zombie apocalypse in Dead Rising. This is the turning point year for Microsoft. With the console going down to the low $200s, 2-3 game bundles and 40% more users playing this Saturday as opposed to last Saturday, it's obviously the best time ever to be an Xbox gamer. 2017 will be the greatest games lineup in Xbox history again. Only Microsoft can string along the same 5-6 games announced years ago and make them still seem relevant. Xbox is the best box and Scorpio is the next box to knock the socks off of ps4s block. Don't wait, chop chop, go cop an Xbox for mom and pops."

Did that satiate your thirst for crucial Xbox info? Lol

[yomfweeee]

And back to nearly always discounted consoles.

[Muzikguy]

Have to do it to sell your product? Wasn't good enough to sell itself then IMO

[Kribwalker]

Did you see the bestbuy Black Friday sales on PS4 slim? $249 with 3 games, that's a discounted system

[gamertk421]

Huh. I guess that's not discounted? Lol

[yomfweeee]

Please don't confuse Sony's Black Friday deal with Microsoft's year-round sales.

[Chevalier]

@Krib

If that's the case XB1 must be super budget, my store had bundled game systems, free Fallout4, free game of your choice and $50 off. Still got outsold by PS4. You try so hard. One store sale all you got? Lol.

[butchertroll]

Guys, i just noticed something in MS's PR. Here is the part :

"That momentum continued in November as gaming consoles were once again among the most sought-after products to buy over Black Friday weekend."

Now they included a PlayStation in their PR. LOL!

[leoms]

I was thinking the same thing, lol!

[ShadowKnight]

Lol

[Aura7541]

They're not even talking about Monthly Active Users. Microsoft literally compared the number of active users on November 27, 2016 vs. November 27, 2015.

"In fact, the total players online on Sunday, Nov. 27 was up 40 percent compared to last year"

[CaptainObvious878]

wow....

Not only do they need to retreat to talk about active users, they go so low they need to talk about a single day.

That's just so pathetic I have no idea why they chose to do that.

[Muzikguy]

What the heck does record engagement mean? Those people over at Microsoft sure like to throw big words around and disguise people from the truth. There were 40% more players online YOY huh? Sounds like a decline to me. Anything less than 100% would indicate a decline in sales. Considering the gap between 40 and 100, it doesn't seem the console has been selling as well as they'd like us to believe.

How's that for an analysis?! Next time please come at us with something more concrete MS, like how many zombies were killed in spaceland, or how many guns were swapped in Halo, or how many melée attacks were executed in Battlefield.

[Bzone24]

Either I don't understand what you are talking about or you aren't very good at math. You have 100 players online last year. You have 40% more online this year. This means you have 140 players online this year. Not a decline.

[Muzikguy]

Meaning that if you have those 100 people and you gain 40%more, yes you have 140, but the momentum which you gained people has gone down. So let's say that those theoretical 100 people represent 2 years on the market, and now at 40% they have 140. You don't see how the numbers went down? Obviously you're never going to always have 100% or better growth and I'd advise companies against that. I'm only saying that the rate at which they gained players shows that they didn't sell as many X1s as they want us to believe. Especially considering how they were selling more in the last year than they have previously.

And actually, math was my best subject. Where I said anything less than 100% would be a decline would only really work in year 2, but the X1 was supposedly selling so great this year. The numbers I'm seeing say otherwise

Did you see a story not that long ago where the X1 had this huge percentage jump and people were claiming how well they were doing because of it? Some people were ripping on Sony because they had a smaller number and automatically jumped at "MS is better because my numbers are biggah!!" When you have a lower initial install base it's easier to have a bigger percentage jump. Same thing that's going on here. I hope that clears it up 👍🏻

[Bzone24]

So how much percentage of growth in players online should they have had?

I'm sorry but no matter how you are trying to spin it, there was growth in players online. Now maybe there is a decline in the rate of which they are gaining players online, but the actual players online increased. I don't think you are going to see either console increase players online more than 50% yoy this many years into this generation.

At least I see your motivation of trying to get back at people for saying bad things about Sony with your last paragraph.

[DashArrivals]

yep

The PS4 HAS NEVER lost sales to the Xbox One in World Wide sales. Regardless of NPD wins or not. PS4 is DOMINATING this so called 'console war'.

Playstation fans can be extremely happy for the future of gaming. Such great titles coming that you simply can't play anywhere else.

[andrewsquall]

Expect Xbone sales to start massively dwindling in January 2017 and this will continue every month until the saviour GDDR5 Scorpio is released. It happened to PS4 in August this year after Sony confirmed the Neo's existence at E3 2016 but they wouldn't be showing it yet until Sep and then launching it in Nov. What happened PS4 sales is proof of this.

Microsoft announcing the Scorpio so early is going to come back to bite them severely going into the first 6 months of next year.

[reaperofsouls]

The Xbone npd victories where due to gamers holding off buying ps4 for the pro. Obviously Microsoft rhetoric jumped on the situation but the reality is most people want Sony's console as it is the best by far..

[vigilante_man]

PS4 Pro and PSVR. Sony always seem to be at the front with new innovations. And they keep studios and focus on games and gamers. They are getting their just rewards - where would we be with just MS and Nintendo?

[n4rc]

But people wouldn't wait for Scorpio? Doesn't it go both ways?

[kneon]

Scorpio is a long way off, once full specs, a price and release date are announced then we'll see some people hold off buying an XB1s for Scorpio.

[starchild]

Nah, we know enough about Scorpio. It's a much more powerful Xbox One. That would be enough to stop a lot of people from buying an Xbox One right now.

[n4rc]

yeah its next year... but if i hadnt bought a xbox yet, knowing a way better one is next year, id probably wait..

just saying... if people are waiting for one, they are waiting for the other...

[FallenAngel1984]

This was to be expected.

[RAM0N]

The tides have returned

[Oberlobber]

they never left

[Gamist2dot0]

After PSX, I see a huge PS tidal wave.

[travestyj]

What happened to everyone wanting 4K bluray players instead of a better gaming console?

[SublimeStylee2]

I wish it did have a uhd player actually!!! Disappointed that it did not. Luckly if I want a console I buy it, so I also bought xbone s for the uhd and bought forza 3 and gears 4. They were both really cool and I was really impressed actually gears and forza in hdr wow!!! But other then that Not much. always being a Sony gamer I felt really bad for people who just have an xbox!!!! I don't understand what you play??? There's no exclusives just a handful and 2 or 3 are good...what are you guys always trying to defend???? I love the Xbox for what i use it for and to see the potential with gears and forza, I don't get why they don't make games!!! It's like Sony is Marvel and MS is DC like get it right!! How many reboots??? Just make a game, it would help sell systems!!!!!

(oh shit are Xbox players the ones who like DC movies lol oh relax)

[kraenk12]

The selection of available 4K movies or media in general is just a joke atm. Most stuff is just upscaled anyway.

[Aenea]

"I suggest you check out bluray.com and see the impact of physical uhd and the thousands of titles being released on uhd....yes thousands. And new release movies don't hit 4k streaming anytime soon. I'm aware Xbox one s uhd is not the best, but it certainly beats out streaming 4k any day of the week."

At the moment UHD blurays are really rather expensive, they are around €30 here while regular blurays go for €15 to €20. I've stopped buying physical movies when bluray was announced, yes, it is way better, nice and all, but already replaced my VHS collection with DVDs and wasn't going to do that again, and frankly, am glad I didn't since now they are in 4k, yeah, no.

So I really don't care all that much that there's no UHD player in the Pro. As for available content, well, it's actually even worse around here on Netflix and the likes, hence why not many people feel the need to switch to 4k TVs already.

There is something interesting going on tho, perhaps Sony knew about that since they own movie studios as well, there are plans in the US to release new movies on select streaming services TWO WEEKS after they've been released at the movies. For a price of 2 movie tickets you can then watch it at your home and if they are smart they will do this also in 4k. Two movie tickets is about the same price as an UHD bluray around here, honestly, if I really wanted to see a movie I think I would do that instead. No more going to the movies, just stay at your comfy home, ahhhh.

Anyhoo, I digress, this was the whole point of me replying, this way new movies are available WAY, WAY SOONER streaming than they are on disc.......

[kraenk12]

That's the direction the industry is heading and Sony knows it better than anyone.

[jznrpg]

Its a crappy 4k blu ray player in comparison to straight blu ray players. But i dont even use the 4kplayer i have, I stream 4k instead, more content and it is cheaper

[SublimeStylee2]

What content are you streaming?? Just curious because where I live the only one streaming 4k is Netflix and the selection is a joke. And the Xbox uhd looks unbelievable better then any streaming me or my friends have seen. Might be cheaper in Netflix but they have 2-4 actual full length movies that are crap, a whole whack of living art, stand up, and Netflix shows.... And not a single title on 4k Netflix looks even close to star trek or the shallows or the revenant or ECT..... I suggest you check out bluray.com and see the impact of physical uhd and the thousands of titles being released on uhd....yes thousands. And new release movies don't hit 4k streaming anytime soon. I'm aware Xbox one s uhd is not the best, but it certainly beats out streaming 4k any day of the week. If you can't see that maybe have you're eyes checked.
I'm so tired of everyone downplaying the lack of uhd it's so ridiculous why wouldn't any ps4 pro owner want one in the system?????? A system that boast 4k??? I'm just saying it's nonsense.

@letsa_go. Letsa get one thing straight!! Xbox one s is the first console I've bought from them and it was for uhd. I'm a Sony gamer first and foremost always have always will. But you see my mind is open. I'm not ignorant like a child you see. I prefer Sony for so many reasons over ms, I've always just liked Sony games more. So yes I can tell the difference in 4k streaming vs uhd on my 4k hdr and why??? Because I have every option of format and I see it first-hand from streaming 4k to uhds. Sony's my preferred system but God forbid I'm upset about lack of uhd. I must be the enemy bahahaha

[Markusb33]

I have a console to play games, who buys 4K blu days ??? If this is the one thing you have to argue about a games console being better than another one, something is sadly wrong, the clue is in the name of the product, games console. I never bought blu Ray movies when I had a PS3. You can't seriously think there are enough people buying a console just to watch 4K movies, it's about the games.

[ThatGuyDart]

COMEBACK! COMEBACK! COMEBACK!

..........Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn d it's gone.

[Majin-vegeta]

Supreme Victory!
http://m.imgur.com/WhYFBLX?...

[RAM0N]

Lol

[Dragonscale]

Yay Ip Man at his finest.

[Pancit_Canton]

Massive Sudoku incoming.. :)

[akurtz]

Congratz!
owner of a ps4 pro! got mine during psx, loving the benefits, especially on TLG.

[kfk]

Yeah, TLG looks gorgeous. The pre-release gameplay videos did look like an early PS3 title (minus Trico, which PS3 could not have rendered like that), but the final product running at ~1900p on PS4Pro with HDR is fantastic--way better than the pre-release videos.

[Pancit_Canton]

c-c-c-combo breaker....

[SpaceRanger]

Lmao!!

[04STIBluByU]

Dang man the title was a little trolling...I read NPD and Xbox One's Victory. Clever. Where are all those saying the tides were turning? Congrats Sony!

[yeahright2]

they drowned?

[AnubisG]

So what are the numbers? Can't seam to find them anywhere. Until we see proof, this is just speculation.

[morganfell]

http://n4g.com/news/1992478...

[AnubisG]

This is nice but I need sales numbers. I made a wager and my buddy will be hard to convince. He will just say that this is a no name sony faboy site.

[morganfell]

Then he is an idiot. Venture Beat is not a no name site.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Wow that's some strong denial there bro

[AnubisG]

Strong denial??? What do you take me for? An xbot?? I only game on playstation "bro".

The reason why I was sceptical is because I made a wager with one of my friends telling him that Sony will take the lead over MS in sales come November do to the PS4Pro and the only reason MS sold more for a few months is because of the Xbox One S. But he said there is no way because people want a 4K player more. So I needed concrete proof that I could show him and just a statement that could mean anything does not statisfy him. God, some people here on N4G are so damn sensitive.

[Muzikguy]

Speculation? There's a nice paragraph with MS talking about engagement. What more do you need? If they won we wouldn't be thinking people were getting hitched

[AnubisG]

What I need is official numbers so I can show a buddy of mine who I made a wager with. Read what I replied to Dark above to get the full picture.

[UCForce]

There is proof. PS4 won NPD in November. @Morganfell just prove it to you.

[AnubisG]

Do you have a link to the sales numbers? That would be great!

[Dragonscale]

@Anubis, been saying that about xbone for the last 3 years. The thing is you would only be able to show PS4 numbers. Your friend still won't believe you.

[AnubisG]

He will if I show him numbers. But I guess it's a sin to ask to see sales numbers here on N4G. Look at all the disagrees and the personal attacks. Wow.

[Christopher]

When you find the exact numbers for any other month in the last two or so years, then we can show you the numbers for Sony/MS. The fact is, it seems either extremely ignorant for you to ask for specific numbers on just this month and looks like you have a stupid bet on your hand that you're just going to have to deal with not winning because apparently your friend isn't really a friend OR it seems that you're trolling by trying to insinuate anything other than a win for Sony in the month of November by no one having the exact numbers.

Your question may be 'simple' but you have to understand that doesn't make it intelligent or worthwhile considering everything we know.

[AnubisG]

Ahh ok, so because I ask a question you don't like it's not intelligent, worthwhile or is trolling. What's wrong with you people seriously? It's not possible to ask for simple sales numbers numbers anymore? If the NPD or any other agency does not make it available to the public in the last few years than maybe you guys can say that? Isn't it clear that I don't play the sales number game at all? I just made this bet because my friend was bragging about the Xbox One S numbers that is all. God damn you people are so defensive when it comes to Sony and NONE of you even know a single thing about me. If you did, you would not disagree or write this bunch off BS.

[Christopher]

***Ahh ok, so because I ask a question you don't like it's not intelligent, worthwhile or is trolling.***

Horrible deflection. Where did I mention anything about my like or dislike for your question? I said it was ignorant.

***It's not possible to ask for simple sales numbers numbers anymore?***

And herein lies why it is ignorant. No, it is not possible to ask. Why? Because they just don't happen anymore until way after the fact or only at milestone points (reaching every 10m or so).

*** If the NPD or any other agency does not make it available to the public in the last few years than maybe you guys can say that? ***

And we are. NPD doesn't make any of this public, people who pay NPD for info make what figures we have public, typically through an insider posting those on Twitter or NeoGAF or the like. But, even then, they don't provide all the details nor does NPD track all sales.

***sn't it clear that I don't play the sales number game at all? ***

Then why are you in a submission 100% about sales? Why did you make a bet about sales? None of this is adding up, IMHO.

*** I just made this bet because my friend was bragging about the Xbox One S numbers that is all.***

And, as I said, if your friend doesn't take the facts you've been given, then what type of friend is he to begin with? Definitely not one I'd ever make a bet with ever again if this is how they are going to handle it.

***God damn you people are so defensive when it comes to Sony and NONE of you even know a single thing about me.***

Show me where I promoted Sony over MS here. My reply had zero to do with who won or who lost and 100% to do with your question and why people replied the way they did.

[gamerswin24]

Ohhhhhhhhhh!!!! Either way this doesn't really mean anything as Sony has been winning world wide every month since ps3 days :)

[Markusb33]

That's my point, why is everyone hung up on NPD? USA is not the world, Sony has been outselling xb since launch to this day, that never changed.

[Dragonscale]

True but npd represents the US, MS's home turf, and theres nothing that burns more than PS4 winning on MS's home turf.

[DarkSniper]

This is great news to see that the gamers have made their choice this holiday season on their gaming needs. Microsoft was lucky to enjoy a few fluke months as Sony prepared to change the industry once again with the PS4 Pro and PSVR. Xbox One is now back at the bottom of the barrel where it belongs.

December looks to be another month of domination for the PlayStation®4 Home Entertainment Terminal. With several AAA exclusives announced at PlayStation Experience, combined with the photo realism of the PS4, PSVR package and masterpieces such as The Last Guardian, there is no stopping the momentum going into 2017.

Today is a great day to be a PlayStationist. Dark Sniper welcomes all of the new members to the PlayStation Ecosystem where Greatness Awaits.

$niper

[Muzikguy]

AAA? I thought they were only remasters, collections, and add-ons. /s

Indeed these are some great times 😄

[Christopher]

That's some pretty boring PR talk there.

[Speak_da_Truth]

Where is Aaron Greenberg now when you need him lol

[travestyj]

Crying and stuffing his face with twinkies

[jokerisalive]

MS and dat MAU update as opposed to units sold lmfao!!!!!!!! Great job Sony I am loving my ps4 PRO.

[CocoaBrother]

Congrats to the 3DS still selling well after 5 years. No doubt Pokémon was the reason behind it.

[StormLegend]

And it'll stay there for a while

[Razrye2]

No surprise with Sony winning again. Congrats

[DillyDilly]

& now both online services will come crashing down during the holiday break kids get from school

[DialgaMarine]

Called it. Betting Sony will be taking December too.

[showtimefolks]

But ms doesn't care about sales because they are more than 25 million behind so let's move the goal post once mor to give xblive user data and how many hours played data

People were waiting on pro that's why Xbox did well now for 4 months but winning 4 months still added to overall sales of ps4. Isn't it amazing that Xbox one can outsells ps4 yet still lose ground overall

Watch Xbox defense force come out with some excuse on why sales don't matter eve though all last gen major Nelson made his famous tweets each and every month but now all of the sudden his big mouth is sealed shut by gorilla glue

[MagicBeanz]

Well deserved Sony, hail to the king!

[KoroSenpai]

All Hail PS4! lol

[Elda]

Likewise!

[VoodooProject]

Nice. Its all about sales. My stocks are looking great ending this year. Good job Sony!

[HallowedSoul1]

everytime sony anounces a new exclusive or a huge multiplatform game dlc you can thank sales. you realize how easy it is for sony to nogotiate devs to be exclusive. all they have to say is we sell over double of every multiplatform game and have a 50 million install base so going exclusive with us has not much risk.

[VoodooProject]

What about comparing Microsoft sales and Sony sales?

[Dragonscale]

@voodoo, maybe we could if microsoft released sales data for a change.

[bluefox755]

Which is what everyone has been saying, people were holding off until Pro came out. I mean, come on. You think after 3 years of dominating, people just up and decided they were going to switch to Xbox? This outcome along with the last several months was pretty obvious from the beginning.

[alb1899]

I can't understand why the surprise. Come on! The pspro is just out. The next three months will tell more real arguments About this.
Who do you think will win the NPD in the month of the Scorpio release? Adaah!!

[kraenk12]

With God Of War, Days Gone, Uncharted the lost Legacy and Horizon releasing or already released...not sure.

[alb1899]

We could make a bet, I want some easy money!😄

[kraenk12]

I'm sure all those Launch XBone buyers who also bought a One S at launch can't wait to rush out and finally get their revenge /s

[Dragonscale]

It will be the only month it wins.

[DashArrivals]

The PS4 HAS NEVER lost sales to the Xbox One in World Wide sales. Regardless of NPD wins or not. PS4 is DOMINATING this so called 'console war'.

Playstation fans can be extremely happy for the future of gaming. Such great titles coming that you simply can't play anywhere else.

[Razzer]

Which is why PlayStation games are flowing in. Sony is delivering and folks are buying. That simple.

[conanlifts]

It was never going to win November against the launch of ps4 pro.

[PCgamer98]

This isn't surprising. A lot of people are holding off buying a ps4 and waiting for the pro that's why the ps4 was losing for months.

[Razzer]

What? Everyone isn't waiting for Scorpio? That's strange.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Honestly, well deserved. I'm sure the PS4 Pro helped push them over the top. Buying the PS4 Pro is worth it just to play Uncharted 4 with the best possible graphics. The game is a masterpiece and the PS4 Pro is the best way to play it.

While Xbox One S still has more games that I want to play, nothing on that system comes close to Uncharted 4. This is an awesome generation to be a multi console gamer.

[Overload]

Your comment from yesterday.

"Well we will know for certain tomorrow. I'm betting PS4 Pro has to be enough to push them over the top, but on the other hand, Xbox is an American brand and they won the past few months in a row. They're definitely going to take Nov and Dec"

http://n4g.com/news/1991738...

and today

"Honestly, well deserved. I'm sure the PS4 Pro helped push them over the top. Buying the PS4 Pro is worth it just to play Uncharted 4 with the best possible graphics. The game is a masterpiece and the PS4 Pro is the best way to play it."

On the other hand....
https://s-media-cache-ak0.p...

[MasterCornholio]

He also said that Sony announced global numbers to dumb down the impact of losing black Friday.

"Now here's the bad news. They put this announcement out today as a preemptive strike because they might have lost yet another month in NA NPD, and this trend will probably continue for the foreseeable future."

I noticed he said "might" but he also didn't consider the fact that Sony might have announced global numbers before BF because they won BF. A double whammy effect was the reason why Sony announced global numbers right before BF.

@Multi

" I see you were forced to edit your comment. How embarrassing. "

I actually didn't change my comment but your right that I made a mistake when I said Black Friday. I should have said NPD.

Also you did mention global numbers.

"They put this announcement out today"

You were making a reference to the 50 million that Sony announced. Those numbers are global sold through numbers.

"Oh, and to my resident stalker Cornholio"

Oh that sounds really familiar to me.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Exact quote" "I'm betting the PS4 Pro has to be enough to push them over the top."

And I was right.

Thanks for pointing that out to people. I enjoy when there's a record of my accuracy that people can verify for themselves.

Oh, and to my resident stalker Cornholio, you better check my comments again. I said nothing about global numbers or black friday. EDIT: I see you were forced to edit your comment. How embarrassing.

Edit 2: Hearing that Xbox One S outsold Vanilla PS4. But the combines SKUs beat the Xbox One by a wide margin.

[TheColbertinator]

The Pro made a key difference

[kenwonobi]

As many had predicted. Not a lull in PS4 dominance. Merely a waiting period for PS4 Pro. Once again now the Pro is in the wild and PS4 is back to dominance. No more waiting. People are buying at the regular rate vs Xbox once again in the North America region. In fact next month gap will most likely widen towards PS4. Growing only bigger until Scorpio helps Xbox finally stop at least a little of that momentum. It will be too late by then though. Way too late and will only help with a minor bump. Scorpio is doomed.

[jznrpg]

Most people knew that xbox was outselling ps4 for a few months only in the us/uk because everyone was waiting on the Pro. Worldwide the story was the same as the past few years.

[MasterCornholio]

So it was a double whammy.

Congratulations Sony.

[Lime123]

NPD wins this gen:

PS4 - 28
Xbox One - 9

Pretty close.

[saint_seya]

Worldwide wins this gen:

PS4 - All of em (months)
Xbox One - 6723 billons of bullets fired since Xbox One was released

Close call, a couple more of bullets and we could call it a tie.

[ILostMyMind]

You talk too many truths. Rsrsrs

[JMyers]

The PS4 "lost" the previous months due to pre-orders for the Pro. The Pro was best selling on Amazon for months, but all these sales counted towards November. Plus the Ps4 had a good holiday!

MS back to engagement levels again..

[IamTylerDurden1]

I expect PS4 to win NPD through March. TLG, Gravity Rush 2, Horizon, Nioh, Nier, Persona 5 all coming in the next few months or so.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Idk why ppl get so hyped over US numbers? It's cool for Sony to beat ms on their own turf, but in reality PS4 has outsold xbone every single month in worldwide sales.

[Dragonscale]

Because that hurts the most when PS4 wins in the US.

[C-H-E-F]

Wait, perhaps i'm incorrect for that I don't follow Microsoft as close as an xbox fan does because I don't own one. But seeing xbox games require you to download the games from the xbox marketplace store on PC, one would need an Xbox live account to do so correct? And seeing that PC gamers are playing Forza, quantum break, gears etc. isn't it easy to realize that alot of these 'Gamers" from this 40% are actually PC gamers playing xbox games? I said that to say, don't believe numbers people companies have a great way of fabricating them to make it seem like this or that.

I'm not just taking shots at Microsoft, Sony is guilty of this too along with CNN, FOX, Walmart, Gamestop, Etc. etc.

[Angeljuice]

Whilst Microsoft were "winning", they were being outsold by ~ 120,000 units a week worldwide.

[drunkenspy007]

Victory streak? I wouldn't call winning a couple of months in sales a victory streak when the PS4 has a couple of years of above the XB1 when it comes to sales. Odd choice of words.

[AizenSosuke]

Anyone who thought differently about NPD results. This demonstration in my opinion describe the situation here.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[corroios]

Why even waste time with this news. Only blind gamers thought that it was changing. The same that are in the clouds, that believe in dx12 game changer, esram, bc, dgpu and thenext wait for it willbe the scorpio! That believe in all the pr crap from spencer and biggest exclusives in history of gaming.

It doesnt matter all the payed news againts sony and so on, because gamers worldwide arent that blind.

Sony will end this gen with 3 or 4 times more consoles on the market even if microsoft is going next gen with scorpio

[callahan09]

The best thing for the industry is for both competitors to be doing very well. So this back and forth between Sony & Microsoft claiming victories this year is very good for the industry! Hopefully it translates into a lot of investment into great games to compete with each other. That's really all we can hope for as gamers :) I'm looking forward to playing The Last Guardian, which should be arriving any day now!

[Tallpine]

This whole consoles "winning" each month is kinda lame.

[joab777]

Shows that the release of new consoles is very effective. Maybe we will continue to see upgrades every 2 yrs. Originally I thought it would be too tough to continue to do this because certain games would eventually be unplayable on earlier consoles. But this may not be true. With PS Now, XboxOne's BC and Remasters, there is very little that isn't playable anymore.

Let's say we do get something akin to the mobile phone strategy. We pay x amount each month and every 2 yrs we have the choice to upgrade for $200. Next yr we see the Scorpio. In 2018, we get a PSwhatever w 9 teraflops and so on.

This would allow consoles to keep up. Many games would still be playable on PS4 and devs and publishers would choose based on player base if it's worth creating for certain hardware. For most games would simply look better, have better textures. There would be many more used PS4's, Pros etc for those who don't want the latest and greatest, though subsidized would make them like getting a new phone every 2 yrs.

[BigGucciRolo]

Being a fan boy is being a broke boy. If u had your money right u would own all consoles and not be so one sided. Ps4 pro, X1s, Wiiu , and get a Scorpio and switch on launch day. Stop being broke boys and defending a certain console and go get you all of them so you can own all exclusives

[joinsideke]

Is anyone really surprised that following heavy rumors and then Sony themselves revealing a higher power machine due out in November, sales dropped and then picked back up when said machine was released?

Doesn't this seem like not-news to anyone else?!

[lastking95]

Crapgamer had me rofl with the "it only took a slim, vr, pro and deals" video. Why cant he ever give sony credit? (Same reason sony fanboy cant give ms credit i guess)

Congrats sony, no way in hell was xbox gonna outsell ps the month pro released and with bf sales deals. Dec and January will be a good one although my bet is ps takes dec xo takes jan

[ccgr]

It was bound to happen

[ITPython]

I kinda doubt that MS will win another month for quite some time (maybe only during Scorpio's release). They only won so many months because of the ps4 pro, most people were holding out buying a ps4 until it released.

Now that its out, the dominating steady flow of ps4s being sold continues.

[SynestheticRoar]

I said this would happen four months ago.

[timlot]

PS4 Pro has been available for pre-order since September. Was it any surprise when 3 months of pre-order were due in November Sony would win the month. Would love to know PS4 vs PS4 Pro breakdown. If PS4 by itself sold more that would be news.