Playstation 4 Plan Details Leaked

The PS4 will also continue to utilize the existing CELL architecture, rather than launch something brand new. Bravo, says me, because forcing developers to effectively pick up and move from their established country to Timbuktu every half a decade is a surefire way to cripple launch cycles and leave "un-anointed" third-party developers out in the cold. What's more, a twice-powerful PS3 would almost certainly offer enough "oomph" to keep the plaudits coming from the hardcore faithful, while allowing Sony to more vigorously reach out to the Nintendo "casual" market with a steady stream of cheap-to-develop titles. The idea by 2011, presumably, would be to have a pinched and tweaked CELL SDK that absolutely purrs.

[CrippleH]

Way to damn early for this type of news.

I call phony.

[GamerPS360]

I didn't understand a thing. :)

[Jamegohanssj5]

It's always cool to at least start building out a blue print you know.

TGSI

[omodis420]

It could be real. You never know. It's not like anyone on N4G will understand all that tech mumbo jumbo.

[StoneySweatLeafs]

I bet its real. It's years away from completion. Remember the PS3 started development 2 years after PS2 was released.

[Pandemic]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Sony already stated they want the PS3 to last 10 years or so..?

[Helghast]

There's been bogus PS4 articles ever since PS3 launched.

They're all slightly different, but share 1 thing in common: NO hard evidence or a little thing called proof.

[steve30x]

I doubt that the PS4 is even close to 2 years away yet. I would say that we have another 4 - 5 years before sony will start manufacturing the PS4.

[Jamegohanssj5]

Ha ha, no the production cost. Meaning how much it takes to make the PS3. The cell will be a bit smaller, but stronger; however, it won't cost as much as the one in the PS3. The Blu Ray drive will obviously be cheaper seeing as this will be in about 6-7 years from now.

If I am not mistaking the production cost for the PS3 was aboot 800 bucks and that is why Sony was still losing money off every PS3 they sold. I am prediction the production cost to be around 450-600 this time to be honest. Hard drives and RAM are slowly climbing down in prices. The biggest cost will more than likely be the cell. I am hoping that we will see the 4-6 USB ports being back. Hell well, we have a long time, so I may as well just sit back and wait.

Check this out

"Moreover, PS4, also reduced the size of the chip itself, to be headed toward a lower cost. PLAYSTATION 2 of the past generation, the two main chip, the die (chip itself), starting at 200 square mm chip’s high-performance, high cost and large size around to shrink the chip manufacturing costs and scaling process taking a strategy to reduce the price. However, PS4 generation of low-cost rival to the Wii, lower production costs in a small chip from the first car, and expected lower price."

"If, SCE to develop the PS4 and a completely new architecture must all start from zero again. Then, the software development costs, they will go up more mad. Than it is to inherit the architecture, and how best to promote the use of software assets and skills that are considered high potential SCE. As a result the PS3 hard to develop software, I finally appointed to a certain extent, SCE as not going to be the accumulation?TETAKU."

From that I understand that the architecture will be a bit similar to that of the PS3's.

"PS4 is, PS3 or the performance will be up for one. PS3 is the Cell BE, for control of the CPU core "PPU (Power Processor Unit)" the one to each CPU core operation for the "SPU (Synergistic Processor Unit)" the seven (originally eight pieces, for a yield disabled) has a total of 8 CPU cores. Then, Cell BE is a scalable CPU by increasing the number of cores, which can increase the performance architecture."

It will perform better than the PS3. Some of this stuff is common sense actually because the PS3 took a step above it's generation. That is why Sony says a 10 year life span.

_________________

That is a direct quote from me. I am sure Fishy or some one else could elaborate more for me. Thanks.

TGSI

[SaiyanFury]

I'm not calling this article real, but it's not unfeasible for the PS4 to utilize the much-lauded CBE. The chip DOES have a lot of power within, but one of the bottlenecks is the limited GPU. The Cell is one powerful chip having 8 cores, but using a GPU from the 7800GTX that was current about 2+ years ago is a tad limited. I think that the next PS console will have a more current GPU and will still mate to the Cell considering the favour of multicore CPUs. I'm not saying that PS3 games won't look any better in the future, of course devs are always discovering new ways to use the Cell, but limited GPU processing ability doesn't help.

It comes back to the whole Intel vs. nVIDIA argument: CPU vs GPU. Both are necessary for the best experience. The Cell is a great CPU, but in the PS4 a better GPU will be needed. A better GPU mated to the Cell would result in a great console. That isn't to say that Sony devs can't get more out of the PS3, Lord knows they will. But considering that my PC with it's Core 2 Duo and 9800GTX can run Bioshock in 1680x1050 with 4x anti-aliasing in 60FPS, the PS3's GPU is a tad limited. My point is that both CPU and GPU matter. Should Sony use the Cell in it's next console, I hope they have a better GPU present.

[will11]

Press Agree if you like PS3

[Giriath]

This article may not be true, but what is said is what is expected for the Playstation 4. Continue using the CELL, but with more cores and a better GPU. Get a better graphics card and better and more RAM. Reduce cost by using small chips from the very beginning and the in-the-future relatively cheap Blu-ray drive.

Having plans like these for their next console is only natural and doesn't mean it will come out any time soon. It is said in the article that Sony plans to have the new CELL ready in 2011, which makes sense. That means that the PS4 would probably be ready for launch in 2013-2014 as they have to get the rest of the hardware sorted out, quality test it, get software running correctly and last of all develop as good a launch line-up as possible.

The Playstation 3 launched in early 2007, so if the Playstation 4 launches in 2014, it will have been out for 7 or 8 years depending on when the PS4 launches in 2014. That's two or three years of continued support for the PS3 to meet their promised 10-year-lifetime, much like the PS2.

This will probably be at least 1 year after the release of Microsoft's next console if not more, and Nintendo may as well have released Wii HD and their next console by then. But I have a feeling Sony will run their own game much like Nintendo. Instead of rushing to keep up with Microsoft's hurried schedule, they'll take their time to develop quality hardware that will always deliver more value than its competitors.

If they get it right at the launch of the PS4 and deliver more value and technically more impressive games than that of Microsoft's next console right off the bat, I think consumers will tire of Microsoft's way of hurrying so much that the quality of their hardware and subsequent games suffers.

I think the next generation of consoles will be the most interesting yet. This is the first generation where casual gaming has really came to life, dividing the industry like never before. The problem is that there is one console focusing on casual gaming, Nintendo's Wii, while there are two consoles focusing on the more hardcore gaming, the Xbox and Playstation.

I think that in the next generation both Sony and Microsoft will want a piece of the huuuge casual gaming audience, but one will fail in the mind of their real target audience: the hardcore gamers, causing them to collapse. It will all come down to which console is of most value and delivers the most quality games.

I believe that that will be the PS3 this generation. If Microsoft hurries to launch another Xbox with hardware issues that fails to meet the game quality of the PS4, I'm almost certain consumers won't bother with the Xbox anymore unless they do a real rethink and start buying studios and supporting them instead of buying exclusive contracts of which most are limited by time and will release on Sony's console eventually.

^My God, this is a wall of text if I've ever seen one.

[SAiOSiN]

@at gamerps360
same here :(

[duplissi]

ugh pandemic.....

its been said a thousand times before.
sony will support the ps3 for 10 years just like the ps2, so when the ps3 hits middle age they will launch the ps4, and market both ps3 and ps4 at the same time, just like they do now with the ps2 and ps3.

[RoyFlav]

Where exactly from within SCE was this leaked? I mean, I thought a leak had to come from a non-official source inside the entity actually responsible for the subject of the story.

Calling this a leak is akin to me saying, "NASA is building a large Nobulon Space Entangler, it will be based on the Cell and on Fission Chips", and claiming that was a 'leak'.

Bah and humbug.

[tee_bag242]

I call phony too. 2011 is too close - only 2 years away. Also a ps4 or any other next gen is going to be more than just double the grunt

[pixelsword]

Sony already gave a 10 year plan, and any console coming out in the next few years will likely fail because of the economy, so not only would Sony be smart by keeping a 10 year plan, but also Microsoft; the only company that can make another console with a reasonable price, possibly, will be Nintendo; but only out of necessity if the Wii is no longer profitable.

I don't know if this is something to discourage PS3 sales or not, but rumors regarding price drops and next-gen console sales usually are.

[Montrealien]

So once this is denied by sony, will it be put in the failed bin like it should? You know, like the alan wake video story remedy denied?

[mfwahwah]

@1.16

"Sony already gave a 10 year plan"

Doesn't matter. They can release PS4 right now (hypothetically duh) and still keep the PS3 alive until it's been around for a decade. Notice how the PS2 still exists, despite PS3's release years ago? Same idea.

Of course PS4 will take quite a few years to be released, but I'm just pointing that out so you don't expect a new system TOO long from now haha xD

[cherrypie]

The generations are 5-7 years. This is dictated by the whole of computer and electronics industry.

The PS4 *will* be coming with the Wii2 or Xbox 720. The PS2 will end at the same time the PS4 ships.

Sony (and probably MS) are moving to a "Upper and lower" tier console scheme. This is enabled by the splitting of the market into Media, Casual and Hardcore.

Hardcore gamers demand modern technology. The PS4 will come sooner than later.

This '10 year cycle" line from Sony is to cover-up their being late to market, nothing more, nothing less.

"2013-2014 as they have to get the rest of the hardware sorted out"

You. Are. Living. In. Dreamland. GO and look at the history of consoles. Then, take a look at how many 3rd place finishers decided to run that third place as long as you are suggesting.

The last-place (PS3) console usually tries to move ahead and cut the current gen *short*. Its basic, elementary business that works *across the economy*. Not just in consoles.

When you've got a product that has failed, you dont try and sell it *longer*. You cut your losses and get-back in the game with a new product.

I'm sorry, but what planet do you people live on?

[BrianC6234]

I think it's true. Just because it's early in the PS3's life doesn't mean Sony isn't starting to work on the PS4. Look at how long it took to make the PS3. I don't think we'll see the real details of the PS4 for a long time though. Sony can stick with the basic PS3 and just improve everything based on the technology in a few years. Like 100GB or 200GB Blu-ray discs. A 1TB or larger hard drive. A lot of RAM. Faster Cell processor. The PS3 was well thought out though so the PS4 shouldn't be that different from the PS3.

[BrianC6234]

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't Sony already stated they want the PS3 to last 10 years or so..?"

That only means they'll keep supporting the PS3 for ten years. Like how the PS2 is still being supported and is still in stores. It doesn't mean they won't bring a new console out. Sony will know when the right time is to release a new console. It could be a few years before the PS3 really starts to show its age. When you no longer see improvement in games that's when it's time to bring out a new console.

[Lifendz]

in 2011. That's only 2 years from now. I'd like to think I have another...well...five years at the least with this thing. Make the next PS a techincal marvel that devs are somewhat familiar with but I don't want to see it or have it on the market for at least 4 more years.

[uie4rhig]

but.. all i know is that there is a 99% chance that Sony is gonna use the Cell again.. either an upgraded version or the current Cell BE.. it is successful and they invested alot of money (400mil if i recall it right) and i doubt they are going to throw that money in the garbage! it would be a win/win situation.. Sony would have a console easier to develop for, since developers will get used to the architecture by then (at least the big devs).. plus, for us it would mean that we would have full, if not 99% backwards compatibility with the PS3.. since they're same architecture, so it should run the same games..

my 2 cents ;)

[pain777pas]

Why write about this now? The next generation has really just begun with real titles that are worthy of being called next gen.

[Raz]

It's never too early to learn from your mistakes and start planning for the next gen. Sooner they do, the further along they'll be down the road, no?

I call phony only on the release date - likely we won't see it til' 2014, though we'll probably hear about it officially sometime in 2011/12 just to get the hype going.

Economically, using scaled-down CELL cores in higher numbers is the most plausible part of this article - developers wouldn't have to learn a new architecture all over again, which gives Sony the advantage they lacked out of the gate with the PS3; meaning more and better games produced fast enough to keep up with the market...not to mention cheaper production costs for the SKUs thanks to smaller chips and nano-engineering.

[IcarusOne]

HAHAHAHAHA! Someone's been drinking the Sony kool-aid. (Psst! They peed in it...)

[godofthunder10]

They start thinking about the new systems about a year after the system or out.ps3 fans might as well face it.The ps4 will be out before 10 years.The ps3 will still be on the shelfs but so will the ps4.The truth is that the ps3 never was future proof and it was proven already.The fact is that the ps3 was unable to handle crysis and It came out at the beginning of last year.It will always have updates to download little things and that's it.I can't understand why people say that i'm wrong when i say that the ps3 isn't future proof when i know they know about crysis.

I'm not a childish or a stupid fanboy of any system(a toy),I like the 360 but i'll have the balls to say that the ps3 was the most dependable console ever made and i even like some games on it.The reason i don't buy sony or any other forign product if i could help it is because of the trade act.Beside that i like to help my country out and keep as much of my money in it to help the economy out,unlike some Americans that wish Sony cause an American company to shut down,they should be ashamed of their selfs of saying things like this after people died to protect the U.S.if people don't stop buying forign products and our leaders don't stop borrowing billions from China our kids or grand kids will have to speak Japanese or Chinese.I was watching a show about the shape of the economy on fox news today.They had some men who specialise in the economy.They both agreed that this was bound to happen sooner or later but bush called it to happen sooner.They said that the U.S economy been going down because of all the forign products and people buying them and the companies in the U.S building their products overseas so they could hire cheaper workers.If people would stop a think for a second U.S workers been loseing their jobs for years because of Americans not buying U.S products and their jobs moveing over seas.The reason that Japan Economy been in better shape then the U.S is because of the people.They interviewed people in japan and ask why any american product never sold well in Japan.They said because they are proud of their country and companies in it and they like to help their country out as much as possiable.I have all the respect in the world for them.If Americans was half proud of the U.S as they or for Japan then we would be in a lot better shape.

[GameGambits]

You all smell that? It smells like BS! :D

[omodis420]

I can't say its not true if I can't understand it.

[hfaze]

Yeah... That was a pretty bad translation job on that page...

I would not be surprised to see the PS4 using a PowerXCell series CPU (improved double-precision performance, and up to 32 SPE cores), more RAM, and a better graphics chipset.

After the huge amounts of money Sony invested in the PS3 architecture, I don't see them scrapping it and going with something all new (and causing the learning curve issue with developers all over again).

Technology has got to the point where you don't really see clock-speeds leaping upwards like previously. Current processors are improving performance by adding additional cores to the CPU.

[Arsenal4Ever]

Very bad grammar in that article.

[StoneySweatLeafs]

It's translated dude.

[SixZeroFour]

true, but if that is a direct translation from the source, and if that source is even true, the translation is bound to have some grammatical errors

still couldnt understand a thing though

[micro_invader]

Agreed, overwhelmed by the great wall of text.

[Hiruma Youchi]

hmm price tag ....Around 599 at launch! get at me and tell me im wrong with that?

[StoneySweatLeafs]

You are wrong. With the rise inflation that is about to happen due to all this stimulus money being pumped into the system it will end up over $1000. Look up on google what happens with inflation when you pump a crap load of money into the economic system. Its all currency with nothing to back it. Inflation will skyrocket.

[Hiruma Youchi]

over 1000$!! people are complaning bout the price tag now imagine next. looks like imma have to eff with wii2 and X720. get at me and tell me im wrong??

[PirateThom]

I can't see the next PlayStation costing more than $499 at launch and probably a lot less, but that point maybe the market will all have levelled out (which is why neither Sony or Microsoft will want to launch a new console within the next few years).

Remember, the biggest costs in the PS3 were Blu-ray and the Cell processor, but of these are falling in price. If the PS4 uses Blu-ray, the drives will be faster and cheaper than when the PS3 launched and if they use the same Cell arcitechture yields and costs will be improved.

[Dark General]

Well they say they are keeping the cell and they will probably keep Blu-Ray drives. By the time the system launches (probably 2012 in my estimation) the cost for parts and mass production for both of those key components will have dropped ALOT. Not to mention faster read speeds for Blu-Ray (aka less installs). It won't be as expensive (probably) due to these two reasons. You have to remember both were bleeding edge tech when the Ps3 came out.

[steve30x]

I ould say less unless Sony dramatically change the architecture of its internals. The only thing the PS3 is really missing is more memory all round. If they put more than enough memory in the PS4 it would be a lot more future proof than the PS3 and then sony wouldnt need to make a new console for a very long time. They could then make more profit on the PS4 and have enough to invest in a new Console when it is needed.

[Giriath]

Smaller chips and improved but then relatively old and established tech like the CELL and Blu-ray drives say otherwise. The only real costs will be a new and better graphics card (hopefully a really good one for the time) as well as RAM.

[Counter_ACT]

I dont believe this for a second.

[StoneySweatLeafs]

Why. It's not to early for R&D

[CrippleH]

I agree with counter.

Japan is in a recession, Demand for electronics are down, Sony and other company are laying off workers.

Why the hell spend even more money on R&D right now instead of sticking to the plan and think about profiting from the PS3.

Sony said it themselves that making the PS3 profitable takes priority.

Makes no sense anyways of how it got "leaked" so fast. We didn't hear anything about the PS3 Until 2005 and that's about 5 years after PS2.

[omodis420]

Just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean it is not happening. They were working on PS3 probably a year to a year and a half before they debuted the specs at E3 2005.

E3 2005 the birth of Killzone 2 it makes me want to cry tears of joy.

[Giriath]

Spend more money on R&D? These aren't really details, more like something anyone with a common sense of the industry and knowledge of the Sony mind-set can come up with. Continued use of the CELL and Blu-ray drive is obvious. There is no detailed information on a new GPU or RAM. The CELL is the only thing I imagine Sony are spending R&D money on right now, as they always will be until they or someone else develops another miracle-processor architecture.

And the CELL isn't just Sony's effort. Toshiba and IBM are co-workers in the development of it, as well.

[THC CELL]

as long it plays ps3 games i am game

[gamer1000]

ps4 will play ps3 games

[Ashton]

^^^

it seems rather fake and phony

[omodis420]

Because you can't understand it? That makes it a fake. Who knows for all you know.

[jay2]

Their updating the Cell and Dev software to make it easer for devs to make software basically. And their using new memory that's still in the works.

[omodis420]

@PirateThom

I think keeping the costs down was a re-occurring theme throughout the article.

Good call.

[dredgewalker]

Well making an improved cell chip for the PS4 would be a likely route for Sony to take and all they need is upgrade the video card and add more ram. Consoles today have more in common with the pc so its a logical step and its gonna be less costly than developing new tech again.

[ChilliDemon]

I agree that using the Cell B.E in the next machine makes big sense. Keeping the architecture similar to the PS3 will mean they can instantly leverage the skills that the games developers have learned from the PS3. They will start off on a MUCH stronger footing.

[Strife Lives]

Their too much in the red.they need to focus on making the ps3 cheaper (smaller internal components development) , and planning for the (eventual) release of a Slim PS3.And a PSP2.this news I call BS and unrealistic.I bet their even working on PS2 emulation. Btw,offtopic, is it possible to use the cell as a cpu for a ps2 in emulation, and the redundant extra SPE as Gpu emulation for the ps2 GPU? Just asking,I have no idea.

[jay2]

No, otherwise that would have been done, and I'll tell you wise as well. The PS 2 games are programmed for the PS2 hardware I.E. theirs no acceptation for different Graphics cards, CPU's and so on.

[Sarick]

There are PC emulators out there that emulate the PS2 software. Not 100% but it works. Everything else could run updated PSN versions or free emulated of them using the original ps2 content on the disk to enable them.

The DLC PS2 games could be FREE provided the PS2 disk is inside the unit otherwise the full download is needed. Look at FF most of the game content is the movies (stored on the original disk) the rest of the engine could be updated to make the software fully compatible.

These aren't the days where once you buy a disk the version bugs are locked and can't be fixed later. If you put in a PS2 game who's to say that PSN can't download an update that puts a new game engine on the PS3 to make it compatible.

If you have the original Drakes Fortune, it checks online for updates to that game before you load it then creates a patch file on the PS3. The same could be done for PS2 software to make the PS2 emulator work 100%

[BubbleSystemSuck]

WTF?

[Droid Control]

Hang on, thats the year of the Xbox 720!

Also, if the cell is so difficult to develop for, wouldn't it make sense to go for stand PC chip design, ala Xbox/Xbox 360/Xbox 720?

Regardless, i want one!

I want a new pad though. Please sony, don't use the PS1 pad again!
Sort the analgoue positioning out.

[chewy317]

lol? why sort it when its the correct one dumb ass lol? 140 million ppl prefer it the ps controller analog position.

WHERE IS THE XBOT CONTROLLER DAMN!

Ps: Gtfo

[Capt CHAOS]

getting the hang off. So it should stay.

As for twice as powerful, sorry but that's pants, I'd be expecting alot more power from the future gen of the xbox and the Playstation. I'll be expecting near film real-time rendering of 3d games. We're already waaay behind the PCs and the next release should be a catchup/jump.

[rbrtchng]

The controller is fine. I prefer the PS position of analog because i don't have to have 1 finger up and 1 finger down at the same time. ANd the D-pad on the PS3 is much much better than 360. I just need them to fix the trigger buttons, and i'm set.

But yeah, twice as good isn't good enough for me. I want a jump from PSX to PS2, from PS2 to PS3, from PS3 to The Matrix.

[zag]

WTF?

The Cell behind PCs???

1 Cell is slightly above the computing power of 8x (top end) xenon quad server cpus, and now IBM sell baby super computers that use twin Cell CPUs in them along with all the GPU of the PS3 but 8 gig of high speed rambus ram, which leaves DDR3 in the dust in terms of bandwidth.

Maybe the PS4 will be using this type of setup twin Cell plus extra ram, be a complete killer of a system with Lnuix or MAC OS on it.

Windows doesn't do PowerPC CPUs so can't be used.

I haven't looked up about the new I7 core power but I doubt it'd have the power to match 1 Cell, after all IBM have been in the biz of making super computers for a long time more so than intel in fact Intel's cpu designs are from old IBM cpu designs back in the 70's.

Also IBM spends the same amount of cash just on R&D as Intel makes in cash all up for 1 year, loss/profit combined.

[Capt CHAOS]

Sure if you use the same chipset. Is it even running at the same clock speed. Stop thinking that the PS3 is a super computer, and gaming performance isn't just about the CPU, the GPU plays just as important part, if not more.

And are you telling me that the PS3 or the 360 can outrender in a game? When the 360 and the PS3's came out they were almost on par with the top end PCs in terms of gaming, but the PCs have moved way ahead of that now and it won't be until the next releases of these consoles that they will catch up again with the PCs.

[Droid Control]

140 Million? The PS3 has only sold around 10 Million units!
It might have been alright 15 years ago, but it doesn't cut it these days. Pad design has moved on and been perfected.

Its the pad most people have gotten use to.
Doesn't mean its the best.

Its not the best. The anlaogue sticks have always been incorrectly positioned and the bumpers on the PS1.3 pad and triggers are a step back!

The 360 pad is the perfect pad except in one area: The D-Pad sucks!
Everything else is perfect.

I don't think Sony can make a new pad even if they tried.
Look what happened when they did!

They created a silver banana!

[Capt CHAOS]

Also people don't buy a console 'just' because they like the controller, though if the original boomerang had come out, the PS3 would def. have lost this war.

[chewy317]

and yes 140 million and maybe more,

ps1- estimated 90 m
ps2- 140 m
ps3- 20m

= 250m

250m and if u minus away repeat buyers, 140 m.

MORE people like the ps controller and it has already been stated in research that ps controller is better for fps.

If you dont like the ps controller, its ure PERSONAL opinion so dont go declaring the xbox winner plz.
ps: stop spewing bs and gtho

[GrabthroatShinkicker]

Preference is personal. You clearly prefer the Xbox 360 controller, so use that console. Oh, you want a PS3 so you can play the games that 360 won't get? Then suck it up, or buy a 3rd-party USB 360 pad clone - the PS3 supports most USB gamepads. Logitech has a Chillstream pad that works and is very similar to the 360.

I am one of the 20+ million PS3 users that love the DualShock design, and don't want to see it changed in any significant way. The 360's staggered sticks don't make sense. You thumbs don't stagger naturally like that.

[Vandan]

Even if the Article is fake .... Its stating things that are probably true.... because this way Sony will be able to save on huge development costs hence be able to release a cheaper product quickly.

Developers wont need to learn developing for the console all over again because the architecture will be the same.So we will see polished products right away. The cell is very powerful, give it more ram and a monster VGa and it will blow u away.

so i think it will be a very good move if they do this.....Considering all that and price reductions that will follow I believe that it will also entail implementation of 3d in it some how .

none the less I am sure that It will be launched at a lower price a price of somewhere around $ 300 in today's terms forgetting the inflation :) that's my opinion.

[Giriath]

I agree. Bubbles for your analogy.

[farhsa2008]

press agree if you think the xbox is doomed

[jrsenkbe]

i couldnt understand a thing that it said, but SONY wont release a new console in two years, they still havent put the PS2 to bed (it still has another year left).

[MmaFanQc]

leaked plan details of the PS8 would be even more credible than this bullshit.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

I wonder what Rubbish Micro$oft will come out with next???
i.e the 'xBox 360' should really be called 'xBox 1.5' ;-D
(The only reason they called it xBox [3]60, was to make it look like their 3rd Console because they ARE Scared of the PS[3]!!!
So the next xBox should be called 'xBox 2.0'
It will be called 'xBox 4[Something] How Very SAD Micro$oft are!!!

I got a PS4 it's called a PS3!!! ;-P

[karlostomy]

1 The ps4 may be ready by 2011
2 the ps4 will have a 45nm (or less) 32 core cell chip
3. The ps4 will offload graphics onto the cell to some degree.
4 the translation was absolutely woeful.
5. it is probably all bullsh1t.

[Giriath]

How will the PS4 be ready to launch when the new CELL has just been completed? When the improved CELL is done and proved to be without errors, they have to make it work with all their other planned hardware, quality test it all, develop and quality test software and last of all have their studios develop as good a launch line-up as possible. And even if this article is true and Sony, IMB and Toshiba really plan to have the improved CELL done some time in 2011, plans are subject to change.

Sounds more like 2013-2014 to me.

[Teatowl]

Personally i think that they need to reduce the amount of chips they put in. Having 4 or five very powerful chips instead of 8 powerful chips could end up being more economic friendly. although that would depend on what those very powerful chips cost in relations to the less powerful ones. only time will tell.

although i think 4 usb ports was a good idea but they probly could take out the memery card readers, (i havnt used mine since i bought it, all my stuff is on my usb).what could make or break it for them is smart decisions in what extras they include...personally i think they should keep free internet and the user friendlu interface system, great assets for the ps3.

but in truth i dont know y we are talking about this because a release probly wont happen in the next 3-4 at minimum,( very very very minimum..ps3 has a while to go)

edit:: sorry about the spelling, im very tired :(

[nofilter]

This is from 2008, who the hell approves this nonsense?

[OOG]

lol this will change every damn year with new tech etc...so you cant really predict what it will be like

[solidt12]

I bet it is real too. I mean it is pretty obvious they will stick with the cell architecture.

[Jerk120]

Chewy, you bloody idiot.

He said he wanted a new controller, NOTHING TO DO WITH XBOX360 BEING BETTER.

Stop assuming crap.

As for 140mil, I'm sure half of that 140mil or more do indeed think it's time for a change.

And lol@betterforfps. Only thing I've heard is that the Ps3 controller is better for fighting games but nobody cares about those.

What you need to do, my little brat friend, IS LOSE THE FANGIRLISM.

It's going to an extreme level, probably unhealthy.

[Mc187]

Souns like someone gets there butt kicked at fighting games.

[resistance100]

Fake article

However you can bet your house that more than one CELL will be in the PS4 as that is what it was designed for.

I also expect the PS4 to be sold at a profit from day 1. Seeing as R&D costs won't be as high since the tech is already here.

[PirateThom]

2001 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/...

Just so you know, Sony started work on PS3 almost after the PS2 came out.

[AnttiApina]

I think it's not going to be on in 2011. I mean game consoles are really starting to get expensive when you make them. I think that these consoles will last longer on the market. I wouldn't buy a new PlayStation or Xbox if it was released now and waste another 400 bucks.

[fire23]

I would say this is mostly guesswork and speculation based on current rumors. The part about the Cell is a no brainer. It was a multi-billion dollar investment that they are still investing in, they are not just going to drop it like that. But as for ram I have some issues with their guess. One reason why the XDR is so expensive is because it is still a limited production item, and the PS3 uses four chips. By the time the next PS comes around, the XDR family cost will be significantly lowered in comparison to similar technologies. Also they could easy have a 1 chip solution by then.

P.S. Sorry about the text block.

[DutyCalls]

around 6 months ago it was rumored that sony would go the way of intel. instead of totally new chips, the cell would be increased in quantity per console and tweaked to meet the demand

[ReTarDedFisHy]

...we're arguing about controllers? I mean really? The hell guys, it's about preference. I've been using the PS controller since I was, what, 4? Yeah, I got a PS1 back in '95

Anyway, I'm trying to say I like the PS controllers because that's what a gamepad is to me - that's what feels right. Some people like the 360 controllers because of the positioning of the analog sticks, I for one don't, but I'm not going to call the 360 controller "inferior" just because I don't like it.

On topic, using the CELL is great idea, it's a beast.

[mbanatech25]

the next topic should be joysticinism comparison

[omodis420]

Does anyone else have a problem with the PS3's controllers buttons sticking after about a month of use?

[Podrobski]

What the fcuk was ur man on about?

[DJ]

Five years before its release, and PS3 started development Seven years before its release, with a working SDK and Alpha Hardware made available in March 2005.

But this is definitely the right strategy to go with, as it was the plan when Cell was originally designed. Create a powerful computing platform that is fully backwards compatible with each iteration, such as with the Intel/AMD x86 platform and IBM's PowerPC platform. We'll be seeing Cell in Playstation for a very long time to come.

[fire23]

Your right about the tech being worked on well before release, but the problem is with articles like these, people might not get worked up but they might treat it as pure fact.

[Podrobski]

PS3 controller is the best.

[omodis420]

For some games. For racing games that use the triggers for the accelerator I would have to go with the 360's controller. Shooters..I may be the only one, but I prefer the PS3. Tony Hawk games, PS3.

[mmike855]

This has me getting revved up even though I do feel we are at least four years away from a new system. When the first rumors were unveiled for the PS2, the clock frequency for the emotion engine was speculated at 200Mhz. When it came out, the PS3 had a core clockspeed at 300Mhz, a huge increase over the previous work. The amazing thing about this all is that much of the technology in future generation systems is mapped out before the hardware even exists! This kind of theoretical talk is some of the most inspiring I've ever heard of parallel processing, and is for all for our pleasure. Today this is theory, tomorrow this will be reality.

[BBAM]

it would be a very smart move on sony's account because the experience that developers would have developed over the PS3 years would lend itself nicely to launch games that are actually really good (resistance is an anomaly)
plus if they keep the bluray drive n up the processors then it would be the best console to go for, as the production costs wouldn't create such painful losses for sony

[resistance022]

imo consoles should be announced at least 4 years in advance, so if you happen to buy current gen console the day before the nextgen console is announced, you still have plenty of time to enjoy it until you want the new one.

[Voiceofreason]

Got love the bias... Nintendo does a small upgrade and its complete garbage but listen to the fanboys praise Sony for doing the exact same thing next gen.. WHere are the cries of it hurting the industry? Why arent you pissed off that development costs will be so low that PS brand will once again get every garbage game under the sun??

Please explain in a unbias manner why its ok for Sony do something that is considered killing the industry this gen?
the next time one of you fanboys posts about te Wii killing the industry or how bad it is I will be sure to pull this article up as proof that its not an issue as long as the company doing it is the one you worship...All the people that trash Nintendo are lining up to support Sony on doing the exact same thing.. Sad and pathetic.. Just more proof 99% of what comes out a Sony fans mouth is complete BS that will change as soon as Sony starts doing something else.

[LiquifiedArt]

I'd have to say this is proably real.

2011 is not neccessarily the date ps4 will launch. I've said it since the beginning the PS3 is a stepping stone and an investment into a different programming paradigm. Sony made the investment and took the massive hit with a high price point, but it will yield fruit because Sony is thinking long-term. The PS4 is not just an incremental upgrade, its the definitive shift to the CELL way of computing. Parallel processing. This has always been the plan. More powerful and more scalable. The PC way of doing things is dying out, hene why the graphics cards are becoming the size of a small computer case. Too much heat, energy and money. Parallel processing is the way of the future and its here to stay. Go ps3 and beyond!

This is why I have and ALWAYS will support SONY. Future Thinkers. Not just trying to made a quick buck and shove out garbage (cough) xbox (cough) wii (cough). Nintendo's Money comes from Peripherals and Xbox's money come's from LIVE. Sony's money comes from innovation and the globally recognized videogame console of choice.

The Mercedes of Videogame consoles.

[PS360PCROCKS]

This article makes no sense lol. But it's a pretty obvious and "duh" moment to me. I never felt for a second Sony would not use the Cell again, they don't need too. The PS4 doesn't need to be a reinvention of the console, just merely an upgrade. Give me the cell, the best GPU imagined with tons of on board ram, and some extra system ram that way their isn't any system bottlenecks and they can really make the cell purr. Plus it will be cheaper because by that time, the cell is cheaper, blu ray is cheaper, and you're only paying for ram and a new GPU. I really HOPE they do this because you will see some ridiculous games if they get more ram and a new GPU.

[ClockworkSatan]

There were far too many acronyms in there for it to really make much sense, but the jist of the article to me is that it would be prudent for Sony to stick with their Cell architecture and tweak it for the PS4 because by the end of the PS3's lifespan developers will be used to it.

[trancefreak]

This information is great for a read but I dont buy into anything till we see real specs. Even then items are subject to change.

[omodis420]

Ain't that the truth.

[DARK WITNESS]

can't wait for it. i would love to see 3 cell's making up the gpu and 6 cell's making up the CPU...

then we could all look forward to the birth of AI and the beginning of Judgement day ! dadum dum da dum, dumm dumm !

[truehunter]

Remeber boyz n girlz, PSone ??
PSone last 11 years, an we all know PS2 came out in tha mist of PSone still on its release.
PS2 ?? anyone we are on 9th years an yet PS3 came out in tha mist of PS2.

PS3 ?? make any sence 10 years... yes but PS4 is no problem in those mist.
PS4 can become a concept, remeber the 1st PS3 concept in 2005.... Yes it make sence rite. PS3 came out in 2006, simple as if PS4 concept in 2011 we bond to see that in 1-2 years later.

[dustgavin]

Sony definitely is in it for the long haul. I think it is intelligent of them to build off of the existing cell. Plus, it will give developers plenty of time to exploit all of the power of the Ps3 and carry that knowledge over to the Ps4. I am loving my Ps3, but I am excited for what the future holds for Ps4.

[Obama]

ps4 sounds alright, but xbox 720? Sorry but that sounds retarded for some reason. I don't think they will really call it xbox 720.

[Droid Control]

Of course they won't call it the Xbox 720! lol
Its just the code name everyone is using until something official is released.

One thing i've noticed though...

According to this article, the PS4 will be around twice as powerful as the PS3...
Now, the PS3 is like 20 times more powerful than the PS2...
So that suggests the PS4, while powerful, won't be the massive leap we saw from PS1-2-3...

I would expect 4 CElls in the PS4!
And 8 cores in the Xbox 720...

[DX F3NIX]

correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Nintendo do the same from the first NES to the SNES. Pretty much it was the same thing (improve graphics, reduce size of chips), but they improved things here there to cut production costs...I could be wrong I don't know...

[cmrbe]

this is why we need crazy Ken back. Sony will most likely go the easy route next time and just evolved from the PS3 instead of another revolution. I wouldn't blame Sony though.Dam you shortsighted people pathetic people.

I know this is most likely not real but from what i read in can just imagine it coming true.

[YonasJonas]

The wii fad makes me fearful of this. Being a fad this will eventually blow over, and backfire in everyones face.

[Premonition]

I agree that re-using the Cell in PS4 would be a good move espiecally since it will play a part on the launching price of the PS4, I predict the PS4 to launch around 299-399 at the most, and im not sure if sony will offer different SKU's.

[Dannagar]

I'm not saying it's true but if there is any truth to this article, than Sony is adopting a Nintendo like business model. As the innards of the Wii are that of a GameCube, the innards of the Playstation 4 will be that of a Playstation 3 with a slightly modified and more powerful version of the cell and likely more RAM. It would mean that the PS4 would be released at a price point that would be affordable to the average consumer.

It would be smart for Sony to go down this road. It wouldn't be wise for Sony to release another over price piece of hardware that's out of reach for 70% of the population. By 2011, they could launch the Playstation 4 at $199 to $299.

[The Judderman]

Sony please don't make the Ps4 difficult to program. Im sure thats what every developer is thinking.

[djroberts]

It's not too early to begin a process that takes 4 years to complete. They likely started this back in 2008.

Sony needs to do a better job with the graphics chipset and memory architecture. Twice as fast as a PS3 won't cut it but twice as much Cell with a much improved graphics chipset will.

[zainkool]

I don't know if this is real, but it was very confusing

[ChickeyCantor]

Do I see a Nintendo pattern here? o noeees, run gamers it's comming down!

But then again, i thought Sony had a long life plan for this one.
I calll phony

[BlazinEurasian]

Sony using a cell ensures that less developers will port PS3 titles to PC. All 360 titles eventually come to PC, almost no PS titles make it to PC in under 4 years.

[shawnsl65]

i seriously doubt any consumer will buy a PS3.5 or an xbox360.5. I mean look at the economy, can they even afford to do this? How many games will be out? How many people will be able to afford it? I call this bogus. The next PS system should bring out PURE CGI Animation-type gameplay, if not then the PS3 will have already suffice.

[Iceman100]

They know ps3 is a failure already lol nobody is going to buy that system again.

"The next PS system should bring out PURE CGI Animation-type gameplay, if not then the PS3 will have already suffice."

why would anyone want that? people buy these things to play games not watch movies.

[shawnsl65]

you just don't get it do you?

let me make it simple. MGS4 almost looks like CGI-animation, but is still far from it. KZ2 is closing in on CGI but stil not quite there yet. Still confused? May God help you.

[CAPT IRISH]

I have no clue what they were talking about

[HolyOrangeCows]

I'd say that they are preparing to be able to combat any surprise new Xbox release. I don't think they're ready to put PS3 down on the hierarchy of supported consoles just yet.

[AriesFury]

they can hardly sell the PS3 now. What dummy had so much time on their hands to make up this article?

[jessehaysfl]

sony would shut down the website for infringement there is no way this is real

[StoneySweatLeafs]

They can't sue a site for reporting a supposed leak. They can go after the person doing the leak. But not the website that reported it.

[MiztaToungueTwista]

xbox 720?
We aint doin no geometry

[omodis420]

The next Xbox should be a PS3

[jessehaysfl]

cant sony file in court to pull the website as it is the source of the information?

[CrazedFiend]

Can anyone translate this into English? I've got a headache (>_<)

[MADPIRAHNA]

Its what everyone thinks. With much less development costs, it does make sense to go with another CBE processor. Developers will be somewhat familiar and we can link two of them together using Linux and have a supercomputerpowerful enough that with the right algorithms that you can use to finally figure out your woman.

[thezuur]

the ps4 is years away. i love my ps3.

i wish sony would allow you to connect two of them. like SLI or crossfire... something like that.

im not sure if thats even possible, im sure the BC list for ps3-classic titles would be low....

eh, im rambling..

[Tee7soo]

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[lewis]

but if it is what price do you think it will be????

[dolomite]

what the hell? can anyone read that???

[hulud86]

Oh man this website is just looking for some serious hits. I'm going to write a post on my blog called "Sony Announces PS4 for 2012!".

[PS3MANJP]

I don't think we need PS4 soon.

[omodis420]

PS4 would be welcome when its ready. These are just specs. Even if they are real we will not see the end product for another 5 to 6 years and then probably another year or so after that would be a launch so we are looking at 7 years. 7+3=10 year life cycle. Everyone is happy.

[xg-ei8ht]

I understood it.

They were taking orders for peking duck.

Basically it states.

1)Wii took the casual market by storm and thus some PS3 sales with it.

2)360 Also got the jump early, and also having good software base earlier with xbox. Meaning that because cell and rsx are completely different from PS2. It's like starting a learning cycle all over again.

3)Other things it states is because cell is 1ppe and 8spu's(1 redundant)

Most games need a basic of 2 ppe's (cpu's) i.e dual core. and more ppe's will be added along with more SPU'S for PS4.

The last thing it states is basically saying, if they scrapped cell and started R&D again. It would cost way to much. Instead as well all thought, cell will be used again, but as stated in (3)

Was a good read, but not set out very well.

I don't think it's a fake.

It's just early talk.

[Masta Kaos]

Now that the PS3 is gaining ground we have 2 hear about the PS4....i mean who cares abt dat? Im enjoying tha Ps3 now n games havnt maxed out tha Ps3 yet they tel us abt the Ps4...ets jus enjoy our Ps3's until we as gamers c a need 4 a new console. Geeez