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Pachter: Game Companies Incredibly Greedy, Morons & Idiotic to Charge $70 for Games

On a recent episode of the Pachter Factor, Michael Pachter laid out the real reason why the price of games is increasing and it's not because development costs have gone up.

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darthv721151d ago

huh... completely forgot about this guy.

Jin_Sakai1151d ago

I finally agree with Pachter. Never thought this day would come. Lol

thecodingart1151d ago

Same, this is sort of a miracle..

TallDarknWavy1151d ago

Pachter's predictions are usually wrong but he's still very pro-consumer.

CaptainHenry9161150d ago

Yup I agree with him as well

Gaming4Life19811150d ago

Same here Jin lol. I completely agree with him on this subject matter.

Wrex3691150d ago

You and 80% of N4G I remember this guy getting LAUGHED at hard on here like 6-7 years ago. Jesus.. time flies..

northpaws1150d ago

Don't forget whatever he says the opposite would become true, so $70 will become very reasonable in the future.

JackBNimble1150d ago

This is what the left does to appease left wing activists... it's called pandering

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IamTylerDurden11150d ago

Do ppl still listen to this guy? He was a joke a decade ago. Any article with Pachter as it's source is weak sauce. And yes, nobody wants price increases, but looking at the fact that an official increase hasn't occurred in decades, it at least makes sense on next gen exclusives considering inflation alone has dropped profit margins and legitimately great developers with well known IP are struggling to stay afloat.

I'm speaking for myself, in the USA. I know Canadians and even UK residents have been struggling with more abhorrent prices, but I can only comment on what I know, and what I see. $10 more, for me, on next gen exclusives is a drag, but certainly understandable if it helps projects become profitable and ppl keep their jobs.

Now, I understand the counter is, but the publishers are greedy and the money will merely line their pockets. Technology makes development cheaper if anything. No. Just no. Devs/pubs are dropping like flies. Independent developers are forced to sign bad deals or be acquired. The desperate need to break even amidst rising costs is the reason why we continue to see fans getting screwed over with EGS deals and arrangements like the one with Yakuza Like a Dragon that ultimately spit in the face of the fans that have truly supported the franchise over the past generation. Publishers need revenue more than ever, so they are more willing to sign deals that hurt their reputation or their own fan base.

Major AA or AAA games are indeed more expensive to make/market, particularly on next gen. Projects are riskier and riskier, hence why we see games taking less risks and injecting more egregious monetary practices. MTX in full priced titles are commonplace. Day one DLC, tacked on GaaS features or season passes, and the rise of the lootbox are all because of the fact that publishers need to squeeze more revenue from these releases. The prevalence of game services only adds to the MTX craze. It alters the business model into something more akin to a f2p.

In other words, the lack of the game industry's ability to increase base price to a minimum level of at least keeping pace with inflation has largely created these abhorrent financial practices that have poisoned gaming over the past half decade or more. If this minor (for me in America) next gen price increase can help to counterbalance some of these practices and make games releases more clean, I can live with it. Obviously some will abuse it by continuing to stuff their full priced next gen products with egregious MTX, but if some portion of publishers can use the increase as a means to not nickle n dime the consumer in other areas and if it can give quality ppl and quality products more security and more confidence in taking risks, again, I can live with it. We'll see.

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Bruh1150d ago

Guy works at Wedbush and you don't lmfao so whose winning huh

Kurt Russell1150d ago (Edited 1150d ago )

Games are more expensive to make and market yes. But the audience has increased significantly increasing profits.

Where I am prices have gone from £50-55 up to £69.99. That's way above inflation. People's wages however have declined during the same period on average.

If anything it will be least interesting. I know for me, this hike has decreased my likeliness to spend on a new game. It'll have to be near perfectly reviewed and empty of micro transactions for me to even consider it.

These companies are reporting record profits whilst letting their developers go (I'm looking at you Activision). Meanwhile the guys at the top are collecting massive $200 million bonus'. If you think Devs are profiting from this you'd be wrong.

1nsomniac1150d ago

So wrong on so many levels. The facts are easy enough to find. Charging £70 for a game is obscene. Many of these devs make their entire costs of development back in a single day. Are you really trying to suggest that they’re hard done by and struggling??

DJStotty1150d ago

@iamtylerdurden1

You are completely missing the fact that game companies make millions and millions off of games these days through MT's, which they opted for as opposed to DLC.

So these companies charging $70 for a game, and then milking you on top of it through MT's, is exactly what it says on the tin, greed.

wwinterj1150d ago

Sorry but no. What's created the gaming practices we all hate over the years is greed by the publishers. Publishers who STILL will do these things. Publishers who ARE NOT struggling for money. The only publishers that will charge $70/£70 are those already making so much money. The "struggling" publishers/devs won't charge $70/£70 because they are indie game makers to begin with. Patchter is right on this one. It really doesn't matter how you choose to justify this greed to yourself. It's still greed and not needed period.

TheLigX1150d ago

Prices haven't increased in decades? Where have you been?

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Darkegg1150d ago (Edited 1150d ago )

Explain how the little guys work 100+ hours a week, their jobs get slashed, and the CEO makes over 200 million dollars. Charging more for games only helps the one guy make more money. It doesn't go to the developing team.

The problem is infrastructure.. and needs oversight to prevent the manager or corporates from abusing the employees. I'm not one for union but the capitalistic failures is most evident in the gaming industry where high moral fiber is practically shatted on.

cooperdnizzle1150d ago

@Bruh. I dated a girl named Webb and she had a huge bush... does that count?

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Crazyglues1151d ago (Edited 1151d ago )

Yeah $70 dollars is ridiculous, mainly because they are not making better games, they are making the same games and just charging more, these new titles have nothing going on that was not in the $60 buck game... it's just a cash grab, and that's a dam shame..

If the game had better physics's and more things going on, better destruction, longer story ( meaning the game lasted more then 6 hours to beat) had more enemies far better effects, then I would be all for it..

But to pay more for the same game, which is what these studios are doing, that's a hell no.... Complete Epic Fail..

RPGer1151d ago

Exactly, Demon Souls is exactly the same game and charging $70. Is it Excellent? Yes. Fun? Yes. New? No.

I mean It Takes Two although it does offer best platform and co op experience with smoothness and creativity still only charging $40. Although it miles better than most Ubitsoft and EA themselves, it miles cheaper and nowhere near the indie quality or performance.

derek1151d ago

@RPGer why don't developers ask you first how much you want to pay for their work.

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LucasRuinedChildhood1151d ago (Edited 1151d ago )

€80 is an even tougher pill to swallow.

None of Sony's launch games have had even a small discount on the PS Store since the launch almost 5 months ago.

I've completely avoided these €80 games but I think Ratchet & Clank is going to break me. Hopefully Miles Morales goes on sale because I intend to bounce back and forth between them (Insomniac sugar high) - it would offset the €80 price a bit I suppose.

I'd like to play Demon's Souls, but €80 is too much.

Kornholic1151d ago

That's why going digital is a bad move. You can get a physical copy of Demon's Souls for way less than 80 dollars.

TheEnigma3131150d ago

That’s the reason to get the physical edition.

Army_of_Darkness1150d ago (Edited 1150d ago )

@Kornholic

Doesn't make a difference in price whether it be digital or physical. No need to lie bro.
https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-c...

The best option is to wait a few months for a good sale.

UltraNova1150d ago

I came here to say the same thing. In EU they charge 80 euros for a single game, frankly it's ridiculous. How to they expect us to buy new games at that price? I for one won't be spending that amount of money on a single game.

I've also noticed that there were no deals on ps5 games (digital or physical) to date. Even used DS:R discs start from 65 all they way up to 80 in some cases (including shipping) and they are hard to find.

I was open on perhaps getting a few games digitally this time around but these ridiculous prices and lack of discounts have solidified my decision to sticking with physical/used market no matter how much time it takes for the prices to go down.

Things are getting prohibitevely expensive by the day for us gamers and with recent times where the games industry is moving closer to going full digital (no ownership/ resell option), is it looks like gaming will be taking a back sit afaic.

Kornholic1150d ago

@Army_of_Darkness

Are you kidding me? That's only one retailer, you do know that right, or are you so out of touch? Apparently you don't know how to use Google search.

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neutralgamer19921151d ago

Exactly the games on current gym cost 60 and the same ports on next-gen consoles cause somebody makes zero sense. Just like Miro transactions publishers got away with it and now they're getting away with this. We as a gaming community are too busy arguing with each other and not standing in solidarity to make our voices heard

senorfartcushion1151d ago

Remember when Activision’s exec said “price increase or microtransactions.”

We got both lol

spicelicka1150d ago

Not to mention they have far more ways of making money now, like from cutting content and selling it as DLC, and having microtransactions.

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Orchard1151d ago

For once Pachter is actually right...

gaffyh1151d ago

I do find that I won't purchase a £69.99 game at all...2 weeks after launch it drops in price anyway! Just makes you feel stupid when you buy early, it's like they think we are suckers who have no self control.

wwinterj1150d ago (Edited 1150d ago )

I've learned my lesson with buying games day one. This price increase is just going to make me more picky. Even more so when many games come out with complete editions down the road anyway. It's always more "worth it" to wait with tech, even more games.

Smellsforfree1150d ago

Or it will be a PS Plus/PS Now/Game Pass title before too long.

BandarHub1151d ago

Believe it or not...Pachter actually predicted that Xbox would purchase Bethesda a years before they Xbox bought them.
There is a certain truth to what he says... it's just the way he says it.

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Vanfernal1151d ago

Even a broken clock is right twice a day... When you make so many predictions one is bound to be right every once in a while. Doesn't change the fact that he's wrong 99% of the time lol.

frostypants1150d ago (Edited 1150d ago )

Was gonna post the "broken clock" analogy but I see someone already did. Pachter is the perfect example of it. His list of bad takes is enourmous.

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

Christopher1d 6h ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack1d 6h ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics13h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher6h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts1h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid6387m ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

LordoftheCritics4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

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Fishy Fingers1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan15h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens5215h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop2h ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider162411h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus238h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

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-Foxtrot1d 5h ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows9011h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast10h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake11h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel198910h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon8h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz14922m ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

romulus238h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

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helicoptergirl1d 4h ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan1d 4h ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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ARK: Survival Ascended Premium Mods on Consoles Q&A - By 2030, Time Spent on UGC Will Be Way Bigger

ARK: Survival Ascended has introduced Premium Mods on consoles. Wccftech talked to Studio Wildcard and their partner Overwolf about the rising importance of user-generated content, especially for live service games.

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Neil Druckmann clarifies true intent of new Naughty Dog game comments

Following a recent interview with Sony, Naughty Dog head Neil Druckmann claims the original intent was “unfortunately lost” in the process.

just_looken6d ago

He can take dog shit put it in a oven with seasoning then call it waistland cookies the sony fans will pay $40 a cookie give them a medal of cooking.

No mater what trash this sobs puts out/talks about it will sell.

The true fact in the 8 years sense uncharted 4 his first time in the main seat to a point all this "amazing" team did was get 2 dudes to fuck in a van then destroy a franchise they never created.

But being a port studio they are decent at they should keep in there lane at being just that a glorified port studio.

fr0sty6d ago

Salty Bots... gotta love it.

just_looken6d ago

@frosty

Over what? naught dog under his command is a glorified port team tlou2 was mostly tlou 1 asset's with the same game play loop but forced a trans down your throat.

I would gladly help pay for this blight and his team to get removed from gaming in general.

fr0sty6d ago

Seeing a LGBT person exist in a work of fiction isn't "forcing them down your throat". Nobody is forcing you to play it. Nobody is forcing you to agree with it. If you think that just seeing a LGBT person exist is "force", it sounds like they make you very uncomfortable, and maybe you need to be doing some serious reflecting on exactly why... looks to me like you're suppressing something with all that fear.

just_looken6d ago

@fro

When i think of the last of us i think of a group of survivors crossing the apocalypse wasteland with a growing bond between 2 people that end up with Joel making ellie his new daughter.

Then you fire up the 2nd one bang joel is dead oh that comic series? bang dead

Oh you want to continue all that we grew in the first one? na f that toss it in the trash

Now here is a trans woman so strong superboy would blush go out there kill all what made tlou1 then halfway get a forced sex scene that you can not skip between 2 dudes.

The gameplay? just like the first game the combat/backpack system crafting sytem? 0 changes/improvements.

I could go on but lets face it they copy pasted that tlou 1 assets bin a shit ton of times.

There is nothing on the box or the ads or anything before the game that said you would going to spend most of the game controlling a new trans character that has no ties to anything of the first game the only existence was to kill what the first game made.

Oh but hey there is a mp mode coming out before 2022 wait what is that? oh we made it its own game then cancelled it now go but the game again as we port it a few times.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

mkis0076d ago (Edited 6d ago )

What has Straley or Henig released since they left ND? Not a thing! stop scapegoating! Which of them is credited with co-writing a majorly successful show?

just_looken6d ago

@mkis007

You bring up Bruce Straley really? someone that gave us 4 generations of amazing games and was there in the creation of 4 legendary franchises but was tossed in the trash for the pos niel druckmann not 7? years ago

So yeah in those 7? years you right all he has done is get 2 awards one is a game award for a puzzle game he made oh boy right like for fuck sake's all niel has done is one game that was a overhyped fan boy orgasm underneath all that ps jizz was just a typical 5/10 game.

Then you drag Amy Hennig that poor woman was also kicked out then became this century's Brendan Fraser with her sexual misconduct information coming out.

We all know how horrible people are treated behind the scenes she might have been sexual attacked groped or something.

So yeah all she did after was battlefield hardline forspoken now that new marvel 1945 game but hey Brendan Fraser was a great actor till he also said he was sexually attacked just now he is allowed back in no doubt she also had to take a leave of absence out and or was forced out on ice.

Man there are way to many out there that look at niel at the new gaming jesus when all he had done is some work on uncharted 4 then tlou2

Oh also the tvhshow? for real all they did was use stuff from the 2013 game its like saying GOT was a 10/10 but never watching past season 3

-Foxtrot6d ago

@mkis007

That's highly unfair to them both

Amy Hennig got messed around working on projects that got cancelled by the publishers (EA) and then ended up on a awful game (Forspoken) where you had 4 other writers working on it which is just a recipe for disaster. She is now working on Marvel 1943: Rise of Hydra. Not her fault she was pushed out of NaughtyDog, something both Nolan North and Richard McGonagle have both said in interviews.

Bruce Straley left after burn out, the rest of the story we don't know and will never know just like what happened with Amy Hennig. He decided to take a break and wasn't sure if he wanted to come back to gaming however he had an idea he wanted to make so he founded Wildflower Interactive, a smaller studio where they are currently working on a new game.

Tacoboto6d ago

@the obvious stain of a commenter

The trans character wasn't Abby. Try playing Part 2 instead of gatekeeping what you think Part 1 was about and meant.

Maybe try watching the show while you're at it, because you're terribly off with your opinion on that too

MajorLazer6d ago

Naughty Dog is better than all the MS studios put together.

derek6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@just he has been behind 2 of the greatest games ever made. Tlou2 was easily the best non-vr game made last gen. Losers just can't get over Joel's death, mixed with the usual console war nonsense. The fact that you so casually call him a sob shows how deranged some gamers have become about Drunkmann.

derek6d ago

@frosty, for people like Just, including anyone that can be categorized as being a minority in any kind of media is "forcing it down his throat " lol. I to don't care for poor "checking box" inclusion for inclusion sake but that was not the case with tlou2.

fr0sty6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

The pathetic part about it is, you can tell just_looken never even played TLOU, because that was the game where Ellie's sexuality was first brought to light... No "that was forced down our throats" to be said about that.

Only terrified folks in the closet that use their hatred as cover from outing themselves fear LGBT people that much. They exist. They will exist in all aspects of life, including popular media. Get over it.

just_looken5d ago

@all

Once again you drag out something like its a big win

Here is my old channel a clip of me playing TLOU on ps3
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Search my channel for more clips

Proof its my channel? look at this profiles banner that is 7yrs old then look at other vids on that channel like my bf3 clips to see my psn id. But knowing this group that is way to much work.

Also elle being a lesbian is another trump card? one dlc is all we got of that a dlc that took over a year to be tossed out.

Rainbowcookie5d ago

Hey at least we have cookies to eat 😄

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Rangerman12087d ago

Glad he clarified it but i'm still somewhat skeptical. Plus, his comments about how Ai will revolutionize storytelling were still pretty iffy.

anast7d ago

No need to bow down, Stan your ground. The AI comments were gross though.

S2Killinit7d ago

Pretty excited as I read these. I just cant wait to see what ND is up to.

Export7d ago

put a chick in it and make her gay !

shadowknight2036d ago

Next they need a diverse couple, and perhaps some climate activists

StormSnooper6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I would love that if only to piss off all the lunatics. Lol

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